Tour de France winner stripped of title?

[longtimefirsttime]

It may happen:
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[TigerCoach]

If I was riding a bike with that seat up my crotch for 2,000 miles, I would have a high level of testosterone too! Who wouldn't, because you certainly would be too sore for sex! LOL!!!:gasp:

[longtimefirsttime]

As long as this somehow doesn't morph into a soccer discussion. :biggrin:

[TigerCoach]

As long as this somehow doesn't morph into a soccer discussion. :biggrin:

Nah, I promise. Soccer players have no testosterone anyways, LOL!

[shortbev]

actually, they said his testosterone level was down...the positive testing may be due to the cortesone he was taking for his hip pain...going to test sample B

personally, i think france is ticked off royally because americans have won the tour once again...and in their eyes, we surely couldn't do it legally...what they really need is some cheese for their "whine"...

[shooter]

The entire tour is corrupt. One old time rider said years ago " You can't do this ride on water alone". The only way to make it drug free is to make it a one day event. This race is the equivalent of running two marathons a day for three weeks. The organizers are to blame.

from roadbikerider.com:
What exactly is Jan Ullrich accusing of doing wrong? A German newspaper has published what's alleged to be Der Kaiser's doping plan for the first week of the 2005 Tour de France, based on documents uncovered by Operation Puerto. The products were apparently prescribed by the central figure in the Spanish doping network, Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes.

Day 1: the hormone HZ
Day 2: insulin I-3, the hormone TGN and cortisone
Day 3: TGN and PCH (a testosterone shot)
Day 4: HMG, a hormone mixture
Day 5: "rest day"
Day 6: insulin I-3
Day 7: re-infusion of Ullrich's own blood, as well as insulin I-3 and vitamin E

Not specified is who administered the transfusion and drugs. But Ullrich's personal trainer, Rudy Pevenage, also has been implicated by Operation Puerto and fired by T-Mobile. None of the team's other medical or support personnel has been linked to the doping network.
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Affable German Jens Voigt suggests an anti-doping solution -- a DNA data bank. It would require every rider with a pro license to give hair and blood samples to establish a genetic fingerprint. "And these will be kept for 10 years," says Voigt, winner of this Tour's stage 13. "When there's a question, like with this Spanish affair, then a comparison will be made."
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Overheard: "I've been riding my bike for seven hours. I've climbed five mountains. Tomorrow, there's a stage of 212 kilometers, and after that a stage of 230 kilometers. This is scandalous, it's over the top. They are just shouting that they want to fight against doping, but [when] they give us a program . . . with these sorts of stages, the battle will never be won." -- world champion Tom Boonen, exasperated with the Tour after suffering on stage 11 in the Pyrenees. He then quit the race on the first Alpine stage.
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[shooter]

Also from roadbikerider.com:
Then last Friday, eight days before this year's Tour, the French newspaper Le Monde got involved. It published an article citing statements given under oath that in 1996 Armstrong told doctors he had used EPO, growth hormones, steroids, cortisone and testosterone -- all on the list of banned substances.

The sworn statements were made in 2005 by longtime Armstrong teammate Frankie Andreu and his wife Betsy. They said they overheard Armstrong list the illegal drugs when he was questioned by doctors early in his chemotherapy treatment for cancer. The Andreus' testimony came during closed hearings involving payments withheld from Armstrong because of allegations of drug use. Despite their account, the case ended in Armstrong's favor and he was awarded more than $7.5 million.

The day after Le Monde's article, L'Equipe published the same accusations, making Armstrong and his alleged doping bigger news than the race about to begin.
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As always, Armstrong denies using banned substances. He immediately issued a statement branding the Andreus' claims "stale, absurd and untrue."

Armstrong's defense can be read at [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]. Here are two passages:

---"Mr. and Mrs. Andreu stated that they left the room right after [my] statement, could remember no other questions asked before or after, no details of who I was allegedly talking to, whether men or women, whether doctors or residents, or why I would have been asked this information in front of 10 people, including my mother, in a TV room watching the Dallas Cowboys play football on a Sunday afternoon. By that Sunday, I had been in the hospital 11 days, had given numerous medical histories, previously undergone a regimen of intensive chemotherapy, and undergone extensive brain surgery on the prior Thursday."

---"There is no suggestion of either such a question or response [regarding drug usage] in over 20 medical histories recorded among the 280 pages of records compiled during my hospital stay. My doctor, one of the premier cancer specialists in the country, also testified no such statement was made by me to him and a statement made to another would have to appear in the records. It's not there because it never happened."
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It gets worse for Lance. On Sunday, America's other Tour de France winner, Greg LeMond, was reported by L'Equipe to have said that Armstrong "threatened my wife, my business, my life. His biggest threat consisted of saying he would find 10 people to testify that I took EPO. Of course, he didn't find a single one."

LeMond said the threats came in 2001 after LeMond had criticized Armstrong for his affiliation with Italian physician Michele Ferrari. Armstrong finally ended ties with Ferrari in 2004 after the doctor received a suspended jail sentence for "sports fraud" and malpractice.

LeMond's charges came in concert with news of the Andreus' accusations and Operation Puerto -- one of the worst doping affairs cycling has known, currently festering in Spain.

In the L'Equipe interview, LeMond held the International Cycling Union responsible for failing to come to grips with illegal performance-enhancing practices.

"This problem goes beyond Armstrong," he said. "The Spanish scandal is another example. The entire system is corrupt. The UCI is corrupt."

LeMond ended with this assessment of the man who succeeded him as the greatest rider in U.S. history: "[Armstrong] needs power -- with money, or with women. He will never find happiness."

Armstrong's retort: "Greg is just not in check with reality. It's ridiculous. Greg is obsessed with foiling my career. I'm apoplectic when I read stuff like that."
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It is suggested that LA's cancer was the result of his use of performance enhancing drugs.

[scottyotc]

testosterone levels too high for a frenchmen but probably avg for the avg american marble...or in landis case ....marbles

[scottyotc]

sorry lance...

[TigerCoach]

sorry lance...


LOL:lol: I agree, the French are just out to get us.

[Al.]

If I was riding a bike with that seat up my crotch for 2,000 miles, I would have a high level of testosterone too! Who wouldn't, because you certainly would be too sore for sex! LOL!!!:gasp:

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[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Strip Landis of his title. What a low down dirty loathsome, arrogant, nasty, demeaning, inconsistent, stupefied cheater!

[TigerCoach]

Now, now Keno (that's much shorter than your new name). What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? A high level of testosterone is hardly a criminal offense. Some men are much more "manly" than others, kind of like the Tigers vs the puppies:tonguewave: .

[shooter]

Floyd sounded convincing in his press conference. Testosterone is naturally occuring, and the samples for the preceding and following days were ok.This would seem to indicate a bad test. A high testosterone level would remain so for several days. There were no illegal substances found, only one high ratio of naturally occuring hormones.

[GrowlingTiger87]

The French can't stand continually losing...especially to those cocky American's. They tried this with Lance too. Didn't work. I get the feeling that Landis will be cleared on this one too.