Massillon, Euclid gridders get into bloody skirmish

[Purple Hayes]

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=421222&subCategoryID=29

Any thoughts?

[DAWGH8R]

Article says that Euclid was the aggressor. My thoughts are: Why did the Massillon Coaches have to break it up ?? Where were the Euclid coaches ???

A player from Euclid punched Coach Rose in the head ?? I hope that charges were filed.

You know that if Massillon were the aggressor, the crap would hit the fan, and we would be the villians , AGAIN !!:poke:

What are your thoughts ......................................????????

[Banks]

Article says that Euclid was the aggressor. My thoughts are: Why did the Massillon Coaches have to break it up ?? Where were the Euclid coaches ???

A player from Euclid punched Coach Rose in the head ?? I hope that charges were filed.


Charges were filed, I was told the rest of the team was asked to leave today .
And were more or less on lock down till the buses came to pick them up.


Attending MT. Union Football Camp $20,000
Not being the aggressor PRICELESS

[tiger151]

They stood there ground like any REAL man would do!

I don't know about you guys but i don't want my Massillon Tigers being someones doormat!

GO TIGERS!

[MTigers006]

Charges were filed, I was told the rest of the team was asked to leave today .
And were more or less on lock down till the buses came to pick them up.


Attending MT. Union Football Camp $20,000
Not being the aggressor PRICELESS

Massillon was asked to leave or Euclid?

[Kamd50]

Let's be perfectly clear here. According to the article ,Massillon did not start a darn thing. This other team came over to Massillon's dorm, where they were not supposed to be in the first place, to start a fight. Any man that is gonna sit behind their computer and say that they would do NOTHING while someone started hitting them or their teammates right in front of them, isn't much of a man. What are you gonna do? Stand there and let a gang of kids beat the crap out of you?

I will NEVER advocate starting any kind of violent behavior, but when someone else is attacking you and your crew you gotta defend yourself.

[Kamd50]

Massillon was asked to leave or Euclid?

Euclid

[monte81]

They stood there ground like any REAL man would do!

I don't know about you guys but i don't want my Massillon Tigers being someones doormat!

GO TIGERS!

AGREE!

I was always taught that if a person runs up on you in anger or talking recless, or threatening me---take him down before he gets you. We cannot allow teams to think we are weak. However, I do not want our players condcting themselves in a wrong way but we cannot be bullied---NOWHERE,EVER in a game, scrimmage, camp--WHATEVER!!!!

:TIG2: Aggression towards another and defending yourself are far differant IMHO

[giajay54]

I believe the same Monte. Maybe some of you should take this advice and go over to JJhuddle.com and read the article that was written on Massillon and their state titles. It seemed to be a total ripping of Massillon. I think Massillon needs some backing on this subject.

As for this topic. Massillon boys did the right thing and stood their ground.

[MTigers006]

AGREE!

I was always taught that if a person runs up on you in anger or talking recless, or threatening me---take him down before he gets you. We cannot allow teams to think we are weak. However, I do not want our players condcting themselves in a wrong way but we cannot be bullied---NOWHERE,EVER in a game, scrimmage, camp--WHATEVER!!!!

:TIG2: Aggression towards another and defending yourself are far differant IMHO

I hope thats how Mount and Camp Officals are look at things. Things like this always seem to come and bite us in the end. Our fault or not it will be thrown in our faces any chance our rivials get. You can bank on that.

[Kamd50]

I hope thats how Mount and Camp Officals are look at things. Things like this always seem to come and bite us in the end. Our fault or not it will be thrown in our faces any chance our rivials get. You can bank on that.

What? That they stood their ground and defended themselves and Massillon's honor?

[MTigers006]

Hey, dont get me wrong. I think they did the right thing and im very very very proud of them. Its just in the past people have looked down on us and our program. I hope that in their eyes we arent the bad guys here. Thats what im trying to say. I do believe they did the right thing. Just hope Coach Rose and everyone on our side is ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[JakeGiant]

I believe the same Monte. Maybe some of you should take this advice and go over to JJhuddle.com and read the article that was written on Massillon and their state titles. It seemed to be a total ripping of Massillon. I think Massillon needs some backing on this subject.

As for this topic. Massillon boys did the right thing and stood their ground.

See, this is where some disagree. I don't think it was a total ripping, nor its purpose, but to question being in contention for "Titletown."

[mike_da_man13]

who cares the huddle is crap(bias d2 and below crap)... seriously if you pay to post there you should go find a better way to spend your cash. give to starving kids in africa. if i want to go see posts bashing massillon ill go to yappi and post for free.

[mike_da_man13]

better yet cantonmckinley.com.... they will even throw in the extra insult for free

[Kamd50]

I believe the same Monte. Maybe some of you should take this advice and go over to JJhuddle.com and read the article that was written on Massillon and their state titles. It seemed to be a total ripping of Massillon. I think Massillon needs some backing on this subject.

As for this topic. Massillon boys did the right thing and stood their ground.

Who cares what they say over there or anywhere else for that matter anyhow? As far as I'm concerned, Massillon already has all the backing it needs. Massillon got nominated, Massillon advanced to the top 20. All of the other envious collective "they's" ... well...didn't!

It doesn't even really matter if we win it or not. The national attention and recognition is priceless:gotigers:

[MTigers006]

Who cares what they say over there or anywhere else for that matter anyhow? As far as I'm concerned, Massillon already has all the backing it needs. Massillon got nominated, Massillon advanced to the top 20. All of the other envious collective "they's" ... well...didn't!

It doesn't even really matter if we win it or not. The national attention and recognition is priceless:gotigers:

Not as much as winning it. Im passionate about us winning this. This incident wont help matters any either, But someone had to do something. Just would like to know where the heck all the adults were that Euclid was allowed to get anywhere close to our dorm.

[TigerDL71]

Let's be perfectly clear here. According to the article ,Massillon did not start a darn thing. This other team came over to Massillon's dorm, where they were not supposed to be in the first place, to start a fight. Any man that is gonna sit behind their computer and say that they would do NOTHING while someone started hitting them or their teammates right in front of them, isn't much of a man. What are you gonna do? Stand there and let a gang of kids beat the crap out of you?

I will NEVER advocate starting any kind of violent behavior, but when someone else is attacking you and your crew you gotta defend yourself.



:thanx:


Any player who just stands there and watch his teammates get into a fight and not jump in isn't much of a teammate at all.

AGREE!

I was always taught that if a person runs up on you in anger or talking recless, or threatening me---take him down before he gets you. We cannot allow teams to think we are weak. However, I do not want our players condcting themselves in a wrong way but we cannot be bullied---NOWHERE,EVER in a game, scrimmage, camp--WHATEVER!!!!

:TIG2: Aggression towards another and defending yourself are far differant IMHO



Are you sure thats the type of message you want to send the players or any kid for that matter? Monte it is one thing if they actually start hitting you or your teammates. I don't think we want to tell every kid to start kicking the crap out of anyone who starts yelling and threatning you. I think there are better and more mature ways to handle that situation.

[TigerCoach]

That will build some great team chemistry! Maybe Coach Hall will rally the troops and build on this incident.

I wonder why the Euclid team was so aggressive? I think someone had posted the day before that the Euclid players were starting things on the field and trying to start fights. Did someone take their candy?

[Tigress]

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=421222&subCategoryID=29

Any thoughts?

That link doesn't work anymore. Try this one:

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=421253&Category=17&subCategoryID=0

[BigTime]

Well, this was the first, of certainly many, shots at our Team this year and we sent our adversaries packin’!

Tigers, get used to it. As DAWGH8R’s tag line says “When you wear Massillon on your chest you have a bull’s-eye on your back”.

Moral of the story….we won’t start it, but we sure will end it!

GO TIGERS!

[Purple Hayes]

Article says that Euclid was the aggressor. My thoughts are: Why did the Massillon Coaches have to break it up ?? Where were the Euclid coaches ???

A player from Euclid punched Coach Rose in the head ?? I hope that charges were filed.

You know that if Massillon were the aggressor, the crap would hit the fan, and we would be the villians , AGAIN !!:poke:

What are your thoughts ......................................????????

My thoughts are I don't believe anything I read in the newspaper and wanted to know if someone had insight to confirm/dispute what was reported in the newspaper.

Sounds like, based upon the responses here, that the article is accurate and that the Massillon boys did nothing wrong. I do like how every time Todd can't get ahold of Coach Hall he has to comment that his voice mailbox is full. :laughing:

[monte81]

TigerDl71----- what are you talking about! The message sent was "WE ARE 1 TEAM" and we will stand and fight together---believe me that willl carry them through the season--TOGETHER!! The North Canton Hoover coach said that Euclid starting throwing punches and got some M-town butt whooping! For a former Dlineman you act so passive and political correct about everything. If a person hits my teammate it's on for sure! We should be proud that our team stood ground and didn't take crap off of anyone!

My mother is polite, nice, and always smiling but she taught Travis, Pooder, and I that we stand together and fight together. If one of my brothers is fighting you have to get some from me as well because I am not letting NOTHING happen to my family! Same concept with our football team--FAMILY!

[Tiger 1]

We have not had the best of luck at these camps PR wise (Kentucky, West Virginia). I say schedule Euclid, settle it on the field.

[Banks]

We have not had the best of luck at these camps PR wise (Kentucky, West Virginia). I say schedule Euclid, settle it on the field.


Screw that I want them in the PLAY OFFS

[TigerCoach]

Does this mean we have North Canton's vote to get in the Fed?

[MTigers006]

Does this mean we have North Canton's vote to get in the Fed?

LOL, Leave it to TC to add some humor to the situation. We wont turn this into a FED Thread though so I wont comment on that part. Thats a well beaten dead horse anyways.

[mtigers96]

besides the fight, did anyone stand out, which QB looked good, how did the D look?

[Tiger 1]

Screw that I want them in the PLAY OFFS

They will never get out of region 1 in a 100 years!!

[Mass6]

I have to say that this will definately build team chemistry. Those are your brother's on the field with you. They put in their blood, sweat, and tears into it just like you. Those who stuck up for each other will have a closer bond. They didn't go lookin for a fight, so I don't blame them. We had a little scuffle when we scrimmaged Penn Hills my Senior year off a cheapshot put on Stu. Coach Shep had no problem with us because we were watching out for a brother. Massillon Football is a family. I commend them for it because I have been there, and in no way, shape, or form do you let someone harm your family!!!

[MTigers006]

We had a little scuffle when we scrimmaged Penn Hills my Senior year off a cheapshot put on Stu.

What I find unbelievable is someone had the "nads" to put a cheap shot on Coach Stu. Thats life threatening. Coach Stu was huge.

[TigerDL71]

TigerDl71----- what are you talking about! The message sent was "WE ARE 1 TEAM" and we will stand and fight together---believe me that willl carry them through the season--TOGETHER!! The North Canton Hoover coach said that Euclid starting throwing punches and got some M-town butt whooping! For a former Dlineman you act so passive and political correct about everything. If a person hits my teammate it's on for sure! We should be proud that our team stood ground and didn't take crap off of anyone!

My mother is polite, nice, and always smiling but she taught Travis, Pooder, and I that we stand together and fight together. If one of my brothers is fighting you have to get some from me as well because I am not letting NOTHING happen to my family! Same concept with our football team--FAMILY!



In your first post you said people should start fighting and throwing punches just because someone is yelling or making threats at you. There is a big difference between hitting someone because they are making threats at you then swinging back and sticking up for your teammates once they have thrown the first punch.


No I am not trying to be political correct, its called doing the right thing and being the bigger man. I let my play do the talking for me, I didn't need to get in a fist fight and act all tough off the field. That is how I was raised and I am sure many posters will agree with me on this. I am going to raise my kids the same way. I'd rather have them being productive in society then have them sitting in jail for assualt. Just think what this world would be like if everyone followed your concept? If you are that concerned about the team appearing as weak, then they should let their play on the field do the talking, not their fists off the field. I don't think Iggy gives two craps about who won the fist fight. All Iggy will know is what is in front of them on the game film.

[BigTime]

We had a little scuffle when we scrimmaged Penn Hills my Senior year off a cheapshot put on Stu.

What I find unbelievable is someone had the "nads" to put a cheap shot on Coach Stu. Thats life threatening. Coach Stu was huge.

I am sure that he meant Dan Studer not Steve Studer. :poke:

[Red50Go]

You two are talking about 2 different things. This was definitely a fight, w/ punches. A 61 year old coach got punched for heavens sake. I was raised the same way as DL71 and I agree but if that happened to a family member, or service member, or teammate, something takes over and I lose my freaking mind. They wanted a fight - they got a fight!

Now on the field, during a game, you got to have discipline and not retaliate, but at least you have the opportunity to line back up and go off on the sobs.

[MTigers006]

I am sure that he meant Dan Studer not Steve Studer. :poke:

Dan isnt exactly a push over either. Coach Stu's daughter probabily could kick butt as well. Either way that took a lot of guts and stupidity.

[Mass6]

It was Dan and it really wasn't much, that is why I said a little scuffle, only pushing and what not. Still, you have to protect your brothers!!!

[GLM]

Talk shows in Akron and Canton are praising Massillon and slamming Euclid for a change over the fight. I agree the team must stand its ground. I say nuke Euclid. Oh wait, that's not politically correct.:ERS2:

[pnthrfan]

Here is an article from the Plain Dealer:

High school football players from Euclid, Massillon scuffle at Mount Union camp
Posted by Mike Peticca July 18, 2008 17:06PM
Categories: High schools

Football players from Euclid and Massillon engaged in an off-the-field scuffle Thursday afternoon during a team camp at Mount Union College.

About six Euclid players and several more from Massillon fought near Massillon's dormitory, Euclid Athletic Director Tom Banc said, during the camp in Alliance that featured several area teams. Police were called to the scene, but no arrests were made, according to Banc and first-year head coach Tom Gibbons.


Banc and Gibbons said no Panthers were injured, and they knew of no Massillon injuries. Massillon coach Jason Hall and Athletic Director Tim Ridgley did not return phone calls. The Alliance Police Department also did not return messages.

Banc, who was not at the camp, said no Euclid player has been suspended, although he and the coaches will continue to look into the incident.

"We're not going to put up with any inappropriate behavior," he said Friday. "I have the utmost confidence in Tom and our coaches regarding the discipline of our players."

Banc said he was told the fight developed due largely to some earlier "chatter" between Panthers' and Tigers' players.

"We've handled it internally and we're looking forward to moving ahead," Gibbons said.

Euclid and Massillon participated in the camp later Thursday evening, although apart from each other, before the Panthers' scheduled departure home.

Here is an online comment from someone that "witnessed" what happened.

Posted by Snowrover77 on 07/18/08 at 7:53PM

Not that it is incredibly important (thank you melhall85) but this article is very very false. I am a varsity player on the Rootstown Rover football team and i was at the Mount Union football camp when this happened. In fact i was "ring side" for this so called scuffle. Here are the real facts: Aftter dinner on this day of the camp some words were exchanged between the two teams. the article had it right that six plsyers started the fight, but it soon turned into an all out brawl from most of the players on the two teams. Since these teams are D1 teams they each had over 100 players at camp. So this scuffle which had the police called to the campus was really not what it says in the article. And on the note that no players were injured, that is completely false! There may have been no serious injuries, but there was definitely blood spilled. This scuffle, should be classified as a small scale riot between these two teams. I know, as i witnessed first hand.

Here is the link........http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/07/high_school_football_players_f.html (http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/07/high_school_football_players_f.html)

[Banks]

s.

"We've handled it internally and we're looking forward to moving ahead," Gibbons said.





How do you all feel about that statement ?

[tigermom]

How do you all feel about that statement ?

Well, to me that means nothing was done and those players that started it will be playing all season. Saying its ok.

[Kamd50]

How do you all feel about that statement ?

TOTAL BS!

[Banks]

Type of statement we made a few years ago.

Its good to see the shoe on another foot for a change

[Red50Go]

Hall may catch from flak but I liked his response in the paper today. That took ballz, and that is team building.

And while I dont condone anything either, I am glad we kicked a$$. I figured. Massillon kids are born fighters. Bad idea.

[Kamd50]

Some other remarks from the cleve. blog:

Posted by dc25 on 07/18/08 at 6:37PM
Congrats to my hometown of Euclid for making the news again. You stay classy! Glad I got out before it became completely ghetto as it is now.

I grew up and lived in that city for 21 years. I've seen it personally descend into the new East Cleveland. Pretty sad when there can't even be a 4th of July fireworks show in that city without a riot.

[ForeverTwirl06]

Hall may catch from flak but I liked his response in the paper today. That took ballz, and that is team building.

And while I dont condone anything either, I am glad we kicked a$$. I figured. Massillon kids are born fighters. Bad idea.

..I thought what Hall said in the paper was pretty classy.. I mean he flat out said he doesn't condone fighting.. he just simply said it came down to the fact that they were forced to defend themselves.....its nice to see that this team is actually stcking together and they are bonded as a unit.. last year.. this would have NEVERRRR happened... and it would have been a BIGGG mess..

.. i am not condoning fighting in any way shape or form.. but if someone is coming at me and trying to hit me or getting in my face or one of my teammate/family members faces.. I am going to start defending them or myself..Euclid came looking for a fight.. and they got one.. and by the looks of it they got their a$$es kicked..

[Striker300]

As I stated before, J.J.'s "Huddlers" are a bunch of Tiger Haters! They don't want your opinion, thats why you have to pay to post it, they are always biased against Massillon, in all of the posts about the Tigers. I used to visit that website alot, until I realized they were just bashing us like all the other naysayers we've seen all of our lives! I say its great the way our team stuck together, looks like we have more team spirit and cohesiveness than last year by far already. If this is a preview of how they will respond during games this year, every one else better look out for us, nothing like a team sticking together and being 1 entity!

[Banks]

As I stated before, J.J.'s "Huddlers" are a bunch of Tiger Haters! They don't want your opinion, thats why you have to pay to post it, they are always biased against Massillon, in all of the posts about the Tigers. I used to visit that website alot, until I realized they were just bashing us like all the other naysayers we've seen all of our lives! I say its great the way our team stuck together, looks like we have more team spirit and cohesiveness than last year by far already. If this is a preview of how they will respond during games this year, every one else better look out for us, nothing like a team sticking together and being 1 entity!



Pay to post ?

[The Butler]

Pay to post ?

For several years you had to pay to register a user name on the huddle. No name, no post. They recently dropped that requirement and you can now register for free. Still not worth it in my opinion.

[Banks]

For several years you had to pay to register a user name on the huddle. No name, no post. They recently dropped that requirement and you can now register for free. Still not worth it in my opinion.

I see nothing wrong with that.
I donate to many sites that do just that, but at least you can read the post for free.

[The Voice]

Actually; Those who posted on the Huddle were supporting Massillon on this one..Most of the posts pretty much stuck it to Euclid.

tv

[Broder]

This is not a first for Euclid. Every year they have been at the camp they have caused trouble. From what I hear the coaches go out every night and party and do not control their players. Some of the assistant coaches have caused trouble in the past. Euclid came looking for trouble and found it. I'm not sure what they were thinking when the came to the Massillon dorm. I guess they thought the rest of Massillon's contingent would stay inside and watch their buddies take a pounding. Looks like they found out that wasn't going to happen. I think the fact that Euclid was told to pack up and leave the camp and was put on lock down until the buses arrived and Massillon was allowed to stay and participate in the evening 7 on 7's says volumns about who was at fault. It is my understanding Euclid will not be allowed back at the camp. I also heard that one of their assistant coaches was giving high 5's to their players after they got in a good punch or kick. That is real class!! Say what you want, but Massillon handled themselves with dignity and pride. All they did was defend themselves and they did it very well. Maybe the AD should talk to some of the other schools and see what they saw, if he really wants to conduct a true investigation. I doubt he wants the truth...just blame everything on Massillon...everyone else does.

[shooter]

Eudlid is now an "inner ring" suburb according to the Plain Dealer. It's terrible what's happening to these cities. East Cleveland, Euclid, Cleveland Hts, Bedford, Maple Hts, Garfield Hts. All descending into ghettos.

[Kenny M.]

I wonder if Massillon City Schools will file assault charges against Euclid?

[GLM]

I wonder if Massillon City Schools will file assault charges against Euclid?


The school cannot file, each individual has to. If players are under 18, parents have to file on their behalf.

[monte81]

In your first post you said people should start fighting and throwing punches just because someone is yelling or making threats at you. There is a big difference between hitting someone because they are making threats at you then swinging back and sticking up for your teammates once they have thrown the first punch.


No I am not trying to be political correct, its called doing the right thing and being the bigger man. I let my play do the talking for me, I didn't need to get in a fist fight and act all tough off the field. That is how I was raised and I am sure many posters will agree with me on this. I am going to raise my kids the same way. I'd rather have them being productive in society then have them sitting in jail for assualt. Just think what this world would be like if everyone followed your concept? If you are that concerned about the team appearing as weak, then they should let their play on the field do the talking, not their fists off the field. I don't think Iggy gives two craps about who won the fist fight. All Iggy will know is what is in front of them on the game film.

Are you serious? Play do the talking on the field? The 08 Tigers are doing that--- thus far with physical and TEAM play! This all started because of a vicious stif arm by JT in an earlier session. So JT is supposed to not use the stif arm in scrimmages, 7 on 7's, etc,... FUNNY!!! Oh---look at my stats in 87 and 88 dude I let my play speak for itself and talked always to motivate and pump my team. I was the vocal motivator but always smacked opponents for 4 quarters EVERY WEEK! My philosophy is only talk if you can back that $hit up----I can now, then, and always!! I played so physical even in practice that could not participate on 1st on 1st scrimmages in 88 and was sent to the lockerroom early every Monday and Tuesday----that is physical ALL DAY.

Another thing---who said anything about not being a productive citizen?? Nothing wrong with my family because all by siblings have degrees and are not in jail with highly slaried positions. Just because I will never let any man run up on me doesn't mean I am condoning fighting dude. However, 95% of
Massillon residents would rather fight you than I because they know I am going to go all out before you assault me. Just think--if everyone took your approach we would have people getting beatdown before they could defend themselves throughout America. Euclid invaded the Tigers space, through punches and should of got a beatdown---ask Coach Ty how he feels about it. My cousin said he was furious and approved of the Tigers defending their ground.

Our team will be as one whole unit all year because of Coach Hall's team building techniques and what happened at Mount Union! Who's Euclid's coach? Gibbions who is known for having cheap shot teams.

GO TIGERS!

[CarlE]

Are you serious? Play do the talking on the field? The 08 Tigers are doing that--- thus far with physical and TEAM play! This all started because of a vicious stif arm by JT in an earlier session. So JT is supposed to not use the stif arm in scrimmages, 7 on 7's, etc,... FUNNY!!! Oh---look at my stats in 87 and 88 dude I let my play speak for itself and talked always to motivate and pump my team. I was the vocal motivator but always smacked opponents for 4 quarters EVERY WEEK! My philosophy is only talk if you can back that $hit up----I can now, then, and always!! I played so physical even in practice that could not participate on 1st on 1st scrimmages in 88 and was sent to the lockerroom early every Monday and Tuesday----that is physical ALL DAY.

Another thing---who said anything about not being a productive citizen?? Nothing wrong with my family because all by siblings have degrees and are not in jail with highly slaried positions. Just because I will never let any man run up on me doesn't mean I am condoning fighting dude. However, 95% of
Massillon residents would rather fight you than I because they know I am going to go all out before you assault me. Just think--if everyone took your approach we would have people getting beatdown before they could defend themselves throughout America. Euclid invaded the Tigers space, through punches and should of got a beatdown---ask Coach Ty how he feels about it. My cousin said he was furious and approved of the Tigers defending their ground.

Our team will be as one whole unit all year because of Coach Hall's team building techniques and what happened at Mount Union! Who's Euclid's coach? Gibbions who is known for having cheap shot teams.

GO TIGERS!

Welcome to the Monte81 fan club!!! LOL. Teasing, Monte.

[TigerLily]

I agree that we definitely should have defended ourselves.

There also seems to be another underlying problem here. What kind of respect for adults are some kids getting these days? Looks like not very much.

The Euclid team did not even hesitate to attack Massillon, even though adults were with them. There was no fear that there were coaches with our players. It didn’t even matter to them. It didn’t matter to them that they were punching a coach.

Seems like they have even greater discipline and guidance problems -- at school and probably at home. And a lack of instruction on regarding their elders…and getting along with others. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_6.gif

[DE#53]

Are you serious? Play do the talking on the field? The 08 Tigers are doing that--- thus far with physical and TEAM play! This all started because of a vicious stif arm by JT in an earlier session. So JT is supposed to not use the stif arm in scrimmages, 7 on 7's, etc,... FUNNY!!! Oh---look at my stats in 87 and 88 dude I let my play speak for itself and talked always to motivate and pump my team. I was the vocal motivator but always smacked opponents for 4 quarters EVERY WEEK! My philosophy is only talk if you can back that $hit up----I can now, then, and always!! I played so physical even in practice that could not participate on 1st on 1st scrimmages in 88 and was sent to the lockerroom early every Monday and Tuesday----that is physical ALL DAY.

Another thing---who said anything about not being a productive citizen?? Nothing wrong with my family because all by siblings have degrees and are not in jail with highly slaried positions. Just because I will never let any man run up on me doesn't mean I am condoning fighting dude. However, 95% of
Massillon residents would rather fight you than I because they know I am going to go all out before you assault me. Just think--if everyone took your approach we would have people getting beatdown before they could defend themselves throughout America. Euclid invaded the Tigers space, through punches and should of got a beatdown---ask Coach Ty how he feels about it. My cousin said he was furious and approved of the Tigers defending their ground.

Our team will be as one whole unit all year because of Coach Hall's team building techniques and what happened at Mount Union! Who's Euclid's coach? Gibbions who is known for having cheap shot teams.

GO TIGERS!

I think it sounds like these Euclid kids got their egos stepped on a little. I love to hear about big stiff arms! I don't think that gets taught enough @ all levels of the game. So many times you see a ball carrier in the open field with one man to beat and they let the tackler into their body and get brought down. Just because you have the ball doesn't mean you can't attack! I hope this incident is a spark for the Tigers and is the beginning of bringing our swagger back. With all due respect I don't remember you being held out of scrimmages in 1988 and I played the other D-end. Not questioning your motor or the smack talk.

[monte81]

I think it sounds like these Euclid kids got their egos stepped on a little. I love to hear about big stiff arms! I don't think that gets taught enough @ all levels of the game. So many times you see a ball carrier in the open field with one man to beat and they let the tackler into their body and get brought down. Just because you have the ball doesn't mean you can't attack! I hope this incident is a spark for the Tigers and is the beginning of bringing our swagger back. With all due respect I don't remember you being held out of scrimmages in 1988 and I played the other D-end. Not questioning your motor or the smack talk.

I agree with your statement Mr. #53 and we were a great tandemat OLB. We played together since 7th grade and its hard to believe that we had 9 out of 11 defensive positions off our Poet team!!! However, I was always pulled and M. Brand was put in all the time and I hated it more than anything. Coach Herring would laugh as I walked to the locker room. Jason Staffords dad always talks about it when he comes to visit us in C- bus!


Oh---JT has a greta stif arm move that I hope he uses alot this coming season!

[monte81]

Welcome to the Monte81 fan club!!! LOL. Teasing, Monte.


Funny, CarlE---- it is funny how Americans let people walk all over them for free all the time stating fighting aint the answer. Threats are more than often carried out in my circles so I adapt accordingly!

On a football note---- one dlineman or LB has recorded more sacks in a season than I since 1988 and he currently is playing for the Patriots!!!!

[massillon catholic]

On a football note---- one dlineman or LB has recorded more sacks in a season than I since 1988 and he currently is playing for the Patriots!!!!

I think Crable was an OLB, playing some DE in the up position, but I could be wrong.

[monte81]

I think Crable was an OLB, playing some DE in the up position, but I could be wrong.


Same here MC!

[TigerDL71]

Are you serious? Play do the talking on the field? The 08 Tigers are doing that--- thus far with physical and TEAM play! This all started because of a vicious stif arm by JT in an earlier session. So JT is supposed to not use the stif arm in scrimmages, 7 on 7's, etc,... FUNNY!!! Oh---look at my stats in 87 and 88 dude I let my play speak for itself and talked always to motivate and pump my team. I was the vocal motivator but always smacked opponents for 4 quarters EVERY WEEK! My philosophy is only talk if you can back that $hit up----I can now, then, and always!! I played so physical even in practice that could not participate on 1st on 1st scrimmages in 88 and was sent to the lockerroom early every Monday and Tuesday----that is physical ALL DAY.

Another thing---who said anything about not being a productive citizen?? Nothing wrong with my family because all by siblings have degrees and are not in jail with highly slaried positions. Just because I will never let any man run up on me doesn't mean I am condoning fighting dude. However, 95% of
Massillon residents would rather fight you than I because they know I am going to go all out before you assault me. Just think--if everyone took your approach we would have people getting beatdown before they could defend themselves throughout America. Euclid invaded the Tigers space, through punches and should of got a beatdown---ask Coach Ty how he feels about it. My cousin said he was furious and approved of the Tigers defending their ground.

Our team will be as one whole unit all year because of Coach Hall's team building techniques and what happened at Mount Union! Who's Euclid's coach? Gibbions who is known for having cheap shot teams.

GO TIGERS!


Monte.... Please give me one example of a coach that teaches your philosphy to his/her players. Please give me one example of a coach that tells his players that whenever they are being yelled or threatened by anyone they should fight them and take them out there on the spot.

[mike_da_man13]

Monte.... Please give me one example of a coach that teaches your philosphy to his/her players. Please give me one example of a coach that tells his players that whenever they are being yelled or threatened by anyone they should fight them and take them out there on the spot.

durrr this is an easy one coach. give ya a hint the school it starts with an E

[Red50Go]

Monte.... Please give me one example of a coach that teaches your philosphy to his/her players. Please give me one example of a coach that tells his players that whenever they are being yelled or threatened by anyone they should fight them and take them out there on the spot.

You are taking it to the extreme. We are simply talking about not backing down - from no one. Hall seems to be teaching that. And I believe your old coach taught that. Not sure what Stacy's philosophy was (on anything, lol) but thats 2 for ya.

[mike_da_man13]

the only time fighting is acceptable is when it's do or die like a war zone. mount union college is far from a warzone. if they have you cornered and try to strike you, then you have to fight back. but only enough to get away.

[mike_da_man13]

You are taking it to the extreme. We are simply talking about not backing down - from no one. Hall seems to be teaching that. And I believe your old coach taught that. Not sure what Stacy's philosophy was (on anything, lol) but thats 2 for ya.
ahh but a real man knows when to sack up and be the bigger man. if there is a way out of confrontation a real man will find that way of resolving that issue.
fighting should only be used on super extreme situations.

[TigerDL71]

You are taking it to the extreme. We are simply talking about not backing down - from no one. Hall seems to be teaching that. And I believe your old coach taught that. Not sure what Stacy's philosophy was (on anything, lol) but thats 2 for ya.

I totally agree with you but that is not what Monte is saying. Monte is saying that if are threatened and/or yelled at then you should throw the first punch. I am not going to be scared of someone but I am not going to go and knock the snot out of someone just because they yelled or threatened me. If we told our team to do that then we would have half of our team suspended for getting too many personl fouls for fighting after the whistle. If that were the case, then I think this story would read something far different then what we are reading it now and we would be the bad guys in all of this....not Euclid.

[monte81]

Monte.... Please give me one example of a coach that teaches your philosphy to his/her players. Please give me one example of a coach that tells his players that whenever they are being yelled or threatened by anyone they should fight them and take them out there on the spot.


You are totally missing the point here dude!

Given the scenerio at MUC on or off the field you have to react. Example---a group of 6 or more kids walk up to you surrounding you in your face, threatening, and possibly swinging blows at you. What do you do----fight or run with your tail between your legs? I am fighting dude. I do not start fights or condone anyone starting fights but I will finish it just like the TIgers. If you allow one team/player/individual to strike you and you walk---cool, but I am beating his butt.

You took what I said and made it a right/wrong agenda but Euclid started the drama and our team stood ground and fought as a team. NO individual players but TEAM!!! That is how it is supposed to go down. DO I teach any player to fight, start trouble----NO I DO NOT but I teach my kids to NEVER, NEVER back down from adversity.

[monte81]

I totally agree with you but that is not what Monte is saying. Monte is saying that if are threatened and/or yelled at then you should throw the first punch. I am not going to be scared of someone but I am not going to go and knock the snot out of someone just because they yelled or threatened me. If we told our team to do that then we would have half of our team suspended for getting too many personl fouls for fighting after the whistle. If that were the case, then I think this story would read something far different then what we are reading it now and we would be the bad guys in all of this....not Euclid.

Being aggressive and in your face threats not being yelled at dude. If our players would have took your stand we might have our best player because Euclid was trying to get him GOOD!

Aggressive and yelled at are WAY, WAY differant. Young kids do not run up on you to talk.

It is over dude and we have bigger fish to fry!!! However, I will never be passive or teach passive.

[Broder]

For those that missed, or failed to read, my earlier post...Euclid was the aggressor in this situation. They came looking for trouble, threw the first punches, and left with their tails between their legs. I had a very dear friend tell me one time that it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than to get into one. But, I don't know of any coach or father that would tell his son to stand his ground and get pumelled without defending himself. I was told by my father and I passed it on to my sons...don't go looking for a fight, don't start a fight, but don't come home beat up, because you failed to fight back when someone else started a fight. This is what happened at MUC. Do you think for one minute that if the Massillon players would have walked away without defending themselves, that that would have been the end of the problem. Euclid would have come back for more and it probably would have been worse than it was. I don't condone fighting, but I for one am proud of our players for sticking up for themselves, their coaches, and their teammates. Not for one minute do I think that what they did was wrong. Say what you want, but if you turn and run from every fight or altercation you come across...your going to get your butt whipped a lot and that is not something I want my sons to learn. If you are going to turn your back every time there is trouble...take up swimming, tennis, or chess. Not that the people that play these sports aren't athletes, but I've not seen much shoving and pushing going on during these events. Football is a contact sport and so is fighting. If you don't believe that, just ask Euclid. GO TIGERS!!!!!

[LakeCountyTiger]

Are police reports public record? and/or has anyone actually seen it? I would be interested on how it was written up.

[DE#53]

Being aggressive and in your face threats not being yelled at dude. If our players would have took your stand we might have our best player because Euclid was trying to get him GOOD!

Aggressive and yelled at are WAY, WAY differant. Young kids do not run up on you to talk.

It is over dude and we have bigger fish to fry!!! However, I will never be passive or teach passive.

Walk softly but carry a big stick so to speak is a good way to be. Old school ways. Anyone gets up in your face that is a threat and you have the right to defend yourself! Damnit this is Massillon and we won't be intimidated! I'm pumped for this season! Sounds like our kids have a chip on their shoulders. Hey Monte, I forgot almost our whole starting D played together at Longfellow. We were pretty tough against the run!

[TigerCoach]

Are police reports public record? and/or has anyone actually seen it? I would be interested on how it was written up.

Coming straight from the Alliance Police Dispatcher on duty that day, this incident was nothing to get excited about and no arrests were made. I think by the time police got there, it was obviously over. She didn't even want to use the term "fight" to describe it.

[Big Cat]

Tell you what folks I am definitely on Monte81's side here!All he is sayin is you dont have to start it but you sure as heck dont have to stand there and take it either!!There may be times to be the bigger man but some of those times means giving an a$$ kickin is being the bigger man,if you want to start something than you better be able to recieve the same in return. that being said I hope the only other butt woopins we have to give this year will all be on the field...:TIG2: