Exception to Tiger Don's assessment:

[starkfootball]

Quote from TigerDon: " While other good teams in Region 2 dominate their leagues and ease into the playoffs, Massillon, an independent, must face state power after state power."

My guess is your referring to Mck & the Fed. Two choices:
1. If you want to be the best, then beat the best! exception: 1st 2 games
2. Join the Fed

I personally don't subscribe to your arguement. Bottom line: Win the damn games! I watched last years tigers take on the powerhouses. It's a matter of showing up, prepared and focused. ie. Mass vs Mck round 2

[Benchboss1]

Starkfootball, you bring up a decent point about Massillon needing to show up and win the games on our schedule, but you fail to admit that what TigerDon wrote about McKinley dominating their league and easing into the playoffs as being honest and VERY accurate. Surely you have to know that McKinley has been dominating, and will continue to dominate, the Federal League.

If you are going to post negative things about a team as you did about Massillon needing to win their games, then you need to be honest about what McKinley is doing to your beloved Federal League.

[Tiger Don]

I agree that if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. But beat those teams in the playoffs. Besides, if you don't qualify for the playoffs because of overscheduling, then the tough schedule was simply entertainment for the fans.

Massillon is forced to play the schedule it does because they're an independent and must schedule other independents past Week 3. No other team in the state is forced to play seven consecutive powerhouses. Granted I don't relish playing in the Federal League, but it sure beats sitting home come November. The Fed slate didn't hurt McKinley's chances to make the state finals a couple of years ago. And if it wasn't for the Tigers' upset, they would have been there last year, as well.

Back-to-back losing seasons, then over-achieving team that got hot in Week 11, and now one that is on the verge of a .500 season. Take it as you like, but I prefer to be in the playoffs, regardless of the avenue to get there.

[CarlE]

McKinley DOES win their league and they DO ease into the play-offs. And then the first time they are faced with adversity, they fold like the cheap steel chair that I used on OrangeBlood and AgentOrange in a tailgate tag-team spectacular a few years ago. The fact is, both trains of thought could be argued. I am really not sure of the answer anymore. I waiver back and forth.

[The Butler]

McKinley DOES win their league and they DO ease into the play-offs.

I agree with that to a certain extent, but remember, the year McKinley went to the State Finals, they did not win the Federal League.

[chap]

McKinley DOES win their league and they DO ease into the play-offs. And then the first time they are faced with adversity, they fold like the cheap steel chair that I used on OrangeBlood and AgentOrange in a tailgate tag-team spectacular a few years ago. The fact is, both trains of thought could be argued. I am really not sure of the answer anymore. I waiver back and forth.
You don't waiver backand forth! It's the Corona! Your just Tipsee!

[JazzyJeff]

With the win, their fourth against major competition in the last five weeks, Mentor clearly establishes itself as the second best team in Region 1, behind Cleveland St. Ignatius, Massillon’s opponent next Friday.

Isn't St. Edward in region 1?

[DAWGH8R]

I agree with that to a certain extent, but remember, the year McKinley went to the State Finals, they did not win the Federal League.

Just so I got this straight.................................

The FEDERAL LEAGUE is so tough, that the runner up plays in the STATE TITLE GAME ???????????? WOW !!!!

Let's join !!!:afro:

[DAWGH8R]

Isn't St. Edward in region 1?

Yes they are !! They're 3rd toughest !!:biggrin: :smartass:

[bthart22]

I agree with Tiger Don. You can't win a championship without an invitation to the dance, and you have to be positioned to take advantage of the system the playoffs offer ... that some of the state's best teams will be weeded out in the process.

[CATS44]

Some schedule to be in position to play the best when it counts.

Some schedule to play the best in September, when it doesnt count.

One group is smarter than the other.

Since playing a full Fed schedule, McK is two for two qualifying for the playoffs, with a playoff record of 6-2...and all but guaranteed a playoff spot, while being able to rest any injured players they have.

In the meantime, Massillon has made the playoffs once, going 5-1...but had a non qualifying team much better than several that did play past week ten in 2004....and qualifying this year is now a risky proposition.

However, in 2004 Massillon fans did get to say they played the best while McKinley fans got to watch the Pups make it to the state title game. Im sure that it was a comforting thought to all those that want to continue being an independent.

Hopefully, they will be just as comforted if they sit at home as McK, Hoover, and Perry play for the Region Two title.

[The Butler]

Just so I got this straight.................................

The FEDERAL LEAGUE is so tough, that the runner up plays in the STATE TITLE GAME ???????????? WOW !!!!

That's right. The runner up in the Federal League (actually, it was a three-way tie for second) played for the State title. The runner up in the Federal League also BEAT Massillon.

[CarlE]

I agree with Tiger Don. You can't win a championship without an invitation to the dance, and you have to be positioned to take advantage of the system the playoffs offer ... that some of the state's best teams will be weeded out in the process.

Yeah, but if you're the ugliest skank there, you're not going to get to dance with the stud. Soooooo, if you skated through the Fed, you will GET to the dance, but you will NEVER see the ballroom. Oh man, this is starting to get fun now.

[Purple Hayes]

Just so I got this straight.................................

The FEDERAL LEAGUE is so tough, that the runner up plays in the STATE TITLE GAME ???????????? WOW !!!!

Let's join !!!:afro:

DH - Actually, McKinley technically finished in 3rd that year as all though they tied with Lake for 2nd, Lake took them in the head-to-head contest.

[DAWGH8R]

Some schedule to be in position to play the best when it counts.

Some schedule to play the best in September, when it doesnt count.

One group is smarter than the other.

Since playing a full Fed schedule, McK is two for two qualifying for the playoffs, with a playoff record of 6-2...and all but guaranteed a playoff spot, while being able to rest any injured players they have.

In the meantime, Massillon has made the playoffs once, going 5-1...but had a non qualifying team much better than several that did play past week ten in 2004....and qualifying this year is now a risky proposition.

However, in 2004 Massillon fans did get to say they played the best while McKinley fans got to watch the Pups make it to the state title game. Im sure that it was a comforting thought to all those that want to continue being an independent.

Hopefully, they will be just as comforted if they sit at home as McK, Hoover, and Perry play for the Region Two title.


How in the world do I agree with most of what Cats says ??????????????? I will make an appointment tomorrow !!:doh: :stars:

[tiger#22]

Some schedule to be in position to play the best when it counts.

Some schedule to play the best in September, when it doesnt count.

One group is smarter than the other.

Since playing a full Fed schedule, McK is two for two qualifying for the playoffs, with a playoff record of 6-2...and all but guaranteed a playoff spot, while being able to rest any injured players they have.

In the meantime, Massillon has made the playoffs once, going 5-1...but had a non qualifying team much better than several that did play past week ten in 2004....and qualifying this year is now a risky proposition.

However, in 2004 Massillon fans did get to say they played the best while McKinley fans got to watch the Pups make it to the state title game. Im sure that it was a comforting thought to all those that want to continue being an independent.

Hopefully, they will be just as comforted if they sit at home as McK, Hoover, and Perry play for the Region Two title.

Anytime you want to help with the schedule I am sure you know the # to call.
In terms of the Fed you cant join something when you apply and are denied..
Time to come up with something new,,the Fed argument is stale and isnt going to happen before 2009 at the earliest.

[longtimefirsttime]

Anytime you want to help with the schedule I am sure you know the # to call.
In terms of the Fed you cant join something when you apply and are denied..
Time to come up with something new,,the Fed argument is stale and isnt going to happen before 2009 at the earliest.

It doesn't stop people from bringing it up over and over and over again though. I thought the Tigers have a game against Ignatius this week.

[DAWGH8R]

I wish we had some options !! With everyone but us being in a league,( save Warren, Iggy and Ed's), and the only league around being the FED, we are being painted into a corner. Perhaps we need to work on schedules a FEW years in advance, before anyone else grabs teams that have potential openings.

I sure don't want to HAVE to play Ed's, Iggy, Warren AND McKinley EVERY year !!!!:down:

[PainlessPaulus]

Isn't St. Edward in region 1?


Jeff.

You got that right and that is why you will face a 30 point underdog(tiger) in Massillon after you beat Mentor, St. Ignatius or Cleveland G. in your region. So Tiger fans don't worry, be happy.

doug

[PainlessPaulus]

It doesn't stop people from bringing it up over and over and over again though. I thought the Tigers have a game against Ignatius this week.


Hey, I helped. I called the AD at Don Bosco N.J. They don't start football in N.J until after Labor Day, so he could not help us in the first two games. However, they were invited to the Classic and won. I am hoping they come to the Classic next year in Canton. He said they were honored to play in Ohio and want to get N.J high school football on the map. St Ed's and St Ignatius should look at that school also..

doug

[JazzyJeff]

Hey, I helped. I called the AD at Don Bosco N.J. They don't start football in N.J until after Labor Day, so he could not help us in the first two games. However, they were invited to the Classic and won. I am hoping they come to the Classic next year in Canton. He said they were honored to play in Ohio and want to get N.J high school football on the map. St Ed's and St Ignatius should look at that school also..

doug

The expense in bringing teams in like from N.J. or Florida is pretty high and should only be used as a last resort. The Eagles just brought in a nationally ranked team from Florida and its wasn't cheap. The Herbstreit Challenge spent between $40K-50K per out-of-state team to have them come Thursday-Sunday.

In addition, the OHSAA rules states that only one trip per team per season may be made outside the contiguous states, so that may hamper a return trip to Jersey or Florida.

Besides, the games that bring in the most money and get the most intrigue and fans are the local matchups. If Ed's and Ignatius could get Mentor, Strongsville, Lakewood, Avon Lake, Westlake, Brunswick, etc, etc, on the schedule, they would.

[Al.]

Besides, the games that bring in the most money and get the most intrigue and fans are the local matchups. If Ed's and Ignatius could get Mentor, Strongsville, Lakewood, Avon Lake, Westlake, Brunswick, etc, etc, on the schedule, they would.

You guys made your bed and now you have to lie in it.

[JazzyJeff]

You guys made your bed and now you have to lie in it.

What is that supposed to mean?

[longtimefirsttime]

What is that supposed to mean?

I'm assuming it means many public schools are unhappy with the disparity between the publics and the privates and are scheduling parochial schools only when absolutely necessary.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

massillon`s schedule should look like this:

akron buchtel HOME
perry HOME/FAUCETT
herbstriet classic NEUTRAL
mentor HOME AND AWAY
cleveland glenville HOME
fremont ross HOME AND AWAY
steubenville HOME AND AWAY
warren harding HOME AND AWAY
westerville south HOME
mckinley HOME AND AWAY

NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING FROM HERE?

[tiger74]

the catholic schools, hey do I win some sort of prize :trophy: :laugh: J/K

[JazzyJeff]

I'm assuming it means many public schools are unhappy with the disparity between the publics and the privates and are scheduling parochial schools only when absolutely necessary.

Hmmm... that sounds a little familiar. Kinda like the Stark County schools are unhappy with Massillon's tactics in the past and are only scheduling Massillon only when absolutely necessary.

Massillon complaining about private schools is hilarious.

[BigTime]

Massillon complaining about private schools is hilarious.

An Ed’s fan obsessed with a Massillon internet talk forum (39 posts), now THAT is hilarious! :lol:

[tiger4life]

Hey maybe he likes the company???:wink:

[monte81]

massillon`s schedule should look like this:

akron buchtel HOME
perry HOME/FAUCETT
herbstriet classic NEUTRAL
mentor HOME AND AWAY
cleveland glenville HOME
fremont ross HOME AND AWAY
steubenville HOME AND AWAY
warren harding HOME AND AWAY
westerville south HOME
mckinley HOME AND AWAY

NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING FROM HERE?

All public schools and no privates(i mean universities) and that schedule would not be a cake walk for us!
Anyway-- didnt we graduate around the same time?

[JazzyJeff]

An Ed’s fan obsessed with a Massillon internet talk forum (39 posts), now THAT is hilarious! :lol:

Someone has to be the voice of reason.

[EXECRATED]

Hmmm... that sounds a little familiar. Kinda like the Stark County schools are unhappy with Massillon's tactics in the past and are only scheduling Massillon only when absolutely necessary.

Massillon complaining about private schools is hilarious.

"Massillon's tactics".....nice generality JJ, but totally unfounded.

[longtimefirsttime]

Hmmm... that sounds a little familiar. Kinda like the Stark County schools are unhappy with Massillon's tactics in the past and are only scheduling Massillon only when absolutely necessary.

Massillon complaining about private schools is hilarious.

Apples and oranges. The way it's looking Massillon will be in the Fed soon.
Why do you think the publics have dropped St. Ed? I'm sure you think it's because of a fear of losing. Keep in mind the Tigers have a winning record against St. Ed.

[DAWGH8R]

. Keep in mind the Tigers have a winning record against St. Ed.

PS. Nice PA announcer, NOT !!!!!!!! :rockin:

[Al.]

PS. Nice PA announcer, NOT !!!!!!!! :rockin:

http://www.exposepeta.com/forums/images/smilies/homer.gif

[JazzyJeff]

Apples and oranges. The way it's looking Massillon will be in the Fed soon.
Why do you think the publics have dropped St. Ed? I'm sure you think it's because of a fear of losing. Keep in mind the Tigers have a winning record against St. Ed.

The publics (and Catholics) have dropped St. Edward because fear of losing, but also the conglomeration of football conferences. Teams just can't schedule OOC games during league play. You guys know that as well as I. These same public schools that supposedly hate St. Edward don't have a problem scheduling them in baseball, basketball, wrestling and hockey, where the Eagles are just as good. The threat of losing in football just means a lot more.

Also, a lot of people knew just how good St. Edward would be this year, they also know that the Eagles will be down in 2007. As of May 2006, St. Edward had eight games scheduled for this season. As of right now, the Eagles already have eight games scheduled for 2007 including Strongsville.

The winning record by Massillon is hardly substantial, what is it 3-2 for the Tigers with two games decided in the final minutes? Puh-leeze. You and I both know that Shepas wanted to continue the series but was shut down interally (and eventually, so was he). If St. Edward brought more people to PBTS, the series would have continued. Instead, Massillon decided that it would be easier to schedule a guaranteed home game (Woodrow Wilson and Akron Buchtel) than continue to play the Eagles home and away in alternating years.

Do I understand that reasoning? Absolutely, football pays the bills in Tigertown. Just don't make it into part of a group decision by the publics for Massillon to drop the Eagles. If more Eagles fans made the trip, this series would still be going on.

FWIW, People like to claim that WGH dropped the Eagles because of bad blood, but the reality was McD and Gibbons buried the hatchet within months and McD knew just how bad his Raiders were going to be and couldn't justify both Ed's and Ignatius on the schedule.

Also, Benedictine has an even more difficult time scheduling games, why is that? Everyone loves Art Bortnik.

[Smitty]

... Absolutely, football pays the bills in Tigertown.... If more Eagles fans made the trip, this series would still be going on....


WHAT?!?! It's not because "Tigerbeat" got his butt kicked in Lakewood?

(OK... bad sarcastic humor there.)

JJ: You are an astute judge of the obvious.

[Obie Wan]

massillon`s schedule should look like this:

akron buchtel HOME
perry HOME/FAUCETT
herbstriet classic NEUTRAL
mentor HOME AND AWAY
cleveland glenville HOME
fremont ross HOME AND AWAY
steubenville HOME AND AWAY
warren harding HOME AND AWAY
westerville south HOME
mckinley HOME AND AWAY

NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING FROM HERE?
Yes - a firm grip on reality:
- You won't get Glenville in week 5, Ross in week 6, or Westerville South in week 9 because each of those schools has league commitments.
- Steubenville recently turned down a proposed home-and-home with Massillon.
- The Herbie is in week 2.
- Perry has shown no willingness to play Massillon, period, and their recent stadium expansion makes it unlikely that they'd agree to play at Fawcett.
- Long road trips to play teams that no one really cares about (Fremont, Mentor) don't sell tickets.

[longtimefirsttime]

You and I both know that Shepas wanted to continue the series but was shut down interally (and eventually, so was he). If St. Edward brought more people to PBTS, the series would have continued.

You seem to know a lot about what goes on internally in Massillon. More than the people who actually live, work and go to school here. Once again, look in the mirror for reasons why the series didn't continue.

[JazzyJeff]

You seem to know a lot about what goes on internally in Massillon. More than the people who actually live, work and go to school here. Once again, look in the mirror for reasons why the series didn't continue.

It's not my fault that some people aren't in the know.

Once again, please enlighten us as to the reasons. You insinuate a lot, but really don't have anything to say. Lay it all out on the table.

[ChronicTiger]

:eek:

[longtimefirsttime]

I don't know all of the details, nor have I ever claimed to know (like you have). Here are the facts, the Tigers aren't playing your team. That likelihood will decrease even further should the Tigers join the Fed or drop to D-2. You bring no fans. Why should we play your team? And why did you register here? All of your posts are argumentative.

[JazzyJeff]

I don't know all of the details, nor have I ever claimed to know (like you have). Here are the facts, the Tigers aren't playing your team. That likelihood will decrease even further should the Tigers join the Fed or drop to D-2. You bring no fans. Why should we play your team? And why did you register here? All of your posts are argumentative.

You keep telling me to look in the mirror (whatever that means), I'm merely asking why. If you don't know, stop insinuating you do.

Fact: Shepas wanted to keep playing
Fact: Massillon fans don't fill PBTS like the past
Fact: Massillon needs more home games
Fact: Massillon scheduled Woodrow Wilson (2005) and Buchtel (2006) in week seven instead of St. Edward
Fact: It had nothing to do with bad blood, Gibbons, Shepas, PA Announcers, winning or losing

[longtimefirsttime]

You keep telling me to look in the mirror (whatever that means), I'm merely asking why. If you don't know, stop insinuating you do.

Fact: Shepas wanted to keep playing
Fact: Massillon fans don't fill PBTS like the past
Fact: Massillon needs more home games
Fact: Massillon scheduled Woodrow Wilson (2005) and Buchtel (2006) in week seven instead of St. Edward
Fact: It had nothing to do with bad blood, Gibbons, Shepas, PA Announcers, winning or losing

Fact: Shepas often made bad decisons
Fact: Dover brought more fans than St. Ed
Fact: Massillon does not need more home games. If they did the administration would be against joining the Fed.
Fact: The schedules in 2005 & 2006 were already tough enough.
Fact: If the Tigers want to schedule a parochial school, they'll schedule Ignatius. They bring more fans.

[longtimefirsttime]

It was not a comment directed at you personally. The "looking in the mirror comment" was referring to St. Eds lack of a travelling fanbase. For a program considered elite by some, the fan base is weak.

[MTown]

Fact: It had nothing to do with bad blood, Gibbons, Shepas, PA Announcers, winning or losing

My God, how much longer can this go on with you? If it has nothing to do with the reasons you stated, then please enlighten us with the truth? Do you really think that coming to MP to whine about us dropping the series with you is going to get you back on the schedule? The bottom line is that a game with St. Eds benefits you alot more than it benefits us. We are a cash cow for you. You bring close to no fans and if that's the best deal we can get, we might as well play a team that we know we can beat and get some computer points. We are not here to finance your athletic department.

[Al.]

The inequities that exist between publics and private that OHSAA can’t or won’t fix are being addressed by more and more AD’s and coaches as to who they schedule. And as LTFT says; the private schools don’t have to look any further than the mirror to find out the facts as to why.:scratchchin:

[JazzyJeff]

Fact: Shepas often made bad decisons
I think everyone will agree with that.

Fact: Dover brought more fans than St. Ed
I hope so, it was the first game of the year in one the Dover fans thought they would win. Besides the fact that Dover is only 20 miles or so away from Massillon, wasn't Ed's last game at Massillon on a windy, rainy, 40 degree Friday evening? While Ed's certainly doesn't travel well, ever, that has to be taken into consideration. In either case, BFD.

Fact: Massillon does not need more home games. If they did the administration would be against joining the Fed.
Massillon needs more $$$, the administration is just finding the best way to accomplish it. The Fed does that because local games have more familiarity which = more fans. If no Fed, the Tigers make more money on home and home series (Cincy West Hi) than home and away series. Why is this so hard to understand?

Fact: The schedules in 2005 & 2006 were already tough enough.
Which, again, is fine.

Fact: If the Tigers want to schedule a parochial school, they'll schedule Ignatius. They bring more fans.
The Eagles will be back the Tiger schedule sooner than you think, unless, the Tigers join the Fed. It's inevitable.

[MTown]

OK....let's set up another contract. All games at PBTS, you guys can keep the $$$ of the tickets you sell.

[Al.]

The Eagles will be back the Tiger schedule sooner than you think, unless, the Tigers join the Fed. It's inevitable.

You can only hope....but more and more private schools are getting the reality check that desperate times will bring desperate measures on their part.

[tigerbeat]

Dumping the private schools is the best thing that the Tigers have done in years. Playing one a year is not a bad idea but the Shepas plan of playing three of them proved costly. Play them in the playoffs when it all counts. I have said this for many years......St. Eds has a great football program but brings as many fans to a football game as Tuslaw. I agree with Mtown, why should we pay for them to come here? Now, the true reason we are not playing St EDs? The deal I have worked out with John Gibbons is this....When the St EDs fans return my glasses, it is very possible we may sit down and talk about scheduling. :)

Trust me, the fans in Tigertown have alot of input.

[longtimefirsttime]

The Eagles will be back the Tiger schedule sooner than you think, unless, the Tigers join the Fed. It's inevitable.

I hope not. The potential benefit for St. Ed would outweigh the benefit for Massillon. And, as I've stated before, I think joining the Fed is what will happen(like it or not).

[longtimefirsttime]

You can only hope....but more and more private schools are getting the reality check that desperate times will bring desperate measures on their part.

Pity party for St. Ed. :doh:

[GrowlingTiger87]

I agree with the majority here, JJ. What's the point in continually coming back here to whine about your scheduling issues.

Your "woe is me" attitude isn't flying here. What is it with you Ed's fans that seem to think that Massillon OWES it to you to put you on the schedule. We don't owe anyone anything. Get over your self-pity. :cry:

[JazzyJeff]

I agree with the majority here, JJ. What's the point in continually coming back here to whine about your scheduling issues.

Your "woe is me" attitude isn't flying here. What is it with you Ed's fans that seem to think that Massillon OWES it to you to put you on the schedule. We don't owe anyone anything. Get over your self-pity. :cry:

I'm not the one that brought up Ed's schedule. I am also not the one who brought up the private vs. public scheduling issue, nor the "You guys made your bed and now you have to lie in it" or the "Once again, look in the mirror for reasons why the series didn't continue." BS.

I don't think Massillon owes Ed's anything, where did that come from?

[Obie Wan]

I don't think Massillon owes Ed's anything
If there's no obligation, then tell us: why would Massillon want to play St. Ed?

[TigerCoach]

JJ, your "personality" on your posts are very fitting to being a St. Ed's fan and indicative of why Massillon (and other public schools) don't want to play St. Ed's any further. The entire community, from the players, fans, PA dude, etc., are unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. I can even go as far as saying some of the past teams (2003 & 2004) have had "dirty" players (and I'm sure that was encouraged by the coaching staff). I've seen it firsthand.

Don't inflate your ego by thinking that everyone is afraid to schedule the mighty Eagles. Massillon doesn't duck anyone, look at our schedules the past 5 years. Throw in the fact that the only travelling fan base they have is parents and a few students, it's not a good business decision to play St. Ed's in a home & home series. I'm sure many Tiger fans can't wait to kick St. Ed's butts again in the Rubber Bowl for the semi's again this year.

[Seeker]

What is that supposed to mean?

I don’t know what he meant, but I know what I would have meant if I was him.

St. Edwards blatantly recruits from areas as far away from Lakewood as Wayne County, Geauga County and Lake County.
It’s sickening. It’s worse, by far, than any other parochial in Ohio.
Since the OHSAA won’t deal with it, the only satisfaction anyone can get is to ignore them until the play-offs.

Plus St. Edwards’ fans are next to McKinley’s at being classless.
(And before you jump on the last comment, consider that if you are an example, many of your postings on this forum prove the point without further consideration.)

[Seeker]

JJ, your "personality" on your posts are very fitting to being a St. Ed's fan and indicative of why Massillon (and other public schools) don't want to play St. Ed's any further. The entire community, from the players, fans, PA dude, etc., are unsportsmanlike and unprofessional. I can even go as far as saying some of the past teams (2003 & 2004) have had "dirty" players (and I'm sure that was encouraged by the coaching staff). I've seen it firsthand.

Great minds think alike TC.
We posted at the same time, but you said it WAY BETTER than I could have.!

[JazzyJeff]

I don’t know what he meant, but I know what I would have meant if I was him.

St. Edwards blatantly recruits from areas as far away from Lakewood as Wayne County, Geauga County and Lake County.
It’s sickening. It’s worse, by far, than any other parochial in Ohio.
Since the OHSAA won’t deal with it, the only satisfaction anyone can get is to ignore them until the play-offs.

Plus St. Edwards’ fans are next to McKinley’s at being classless.
(And before you jump on the last comment, consider that if you are an example, many of your postings on this forum prove the point without further consideration.)

I didn't want it to go this way, but hey, you guys started it...

After each question, answer with either "Massillon" or "St. Edward"

1. Which school was found have violated the OHSAA recruiting bylaws?
2. Which school had 100 fans storm the field and have two found guilty of assaulting a referee?

From punching out tail lights to referees, I don't think Tiger fans have the right to call any other team's fans "classless." All teams are guilty of poor fans, the more the fans, the more the idiots. As for my personal class, I only post like this when prevoked but do us all a favor and post my "classless" posts. I'd love to read them.

As for your recruiting accusations, I almost took it seriously until you said Wayne County. I'd love to see the proof in that. What county was Zwick from?

[BigTime]

This is a Massillon forum for Massillon fans. I think you have worn out your welcome here.

[monte81]

I don’t know what he meant, but I know what I would have meant if I was him.

St. Edwards blatantly recruits from areas as far away from Lakewood as Wayne County, Geauga County and Lake County.
It’s sickening. It’s worse, by far, than any other parochial in Ohio.
Since the OHSAA won’t deal with it, the only satisfaction anyone can get is to ignore them until the play-offs.

Plus St. Edwards’ fans are next to McKinley’s at being classless.
(And before you jump on the last comment, consider that if you are an example, many of your postings on this forum prove the point without further consideration.)

Exactly, I have said that in posts to JJ and he said i was crazy! you cant tell me that at least 25-30% of the players are on grants and schlarships and would be in public schools throughout Cleveland and surrounding districts!! Seeker Im glad you and TC see it my way also!!! We will worry about them in late November!!!

[Smitty]

... St. Edwards blatantly recruits from areas as far away from Lakewood as Wayne County, Geauga County and Lake County. It’s sickening. It’s worse, by far, than any other parochial in Ohio....

I've found St Iggy gathering students from as far away as Lake Twp. of Stark Co... so I'd give St Ed a break on THIS one.

Maybe.

[Seeker]

I've found St Iggy gathering students from as far away as Lake Twp. of Stark Co... so I'd give St Ed a break on THIS one.

Maybe.

I don't and I won't.
Of course, for them it is completely legal.

The difference is that Iggy at least tries to be humble and quiet about it.
St. Ed's rubs everyone's face in it publicly.

As I said before...classless.

[DAWGH8R]

It'll never change ! http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/mj12.gif

[JazzyJeff]

The difference is that Iggy at least tries to be humble and quiet about it.
St. Ed's rubs everyone's face in it publicly.

Such as? Examples?

I won't hold my breath...

[longtimefirsttime]

You're still here?

[ChronicTiger]

I don't and I won't.
Of course, for them it is completely legal.

The difference is that Iggy at least tries to be humble and quiet about it.
St. Ed's rubs everyone's face in it publicly.

As I said before...classless.

:scratchchin:

[steeltiger]

Hey JJ here's a question for ya: (Please answer with "Massillon" or "St. Ed's")

Which team actually had to forfeit football games because of an issue involving a player that "tranferred?"

Look JJ, I don't have any real issues with St. Ed's or their fans but don't throw stones from the front porch of your glass house. The bottom line for me is that parochial schools in the state of Ohio are not forced to play by the same rules as us public schools, PERIOD.

And no, I am not whining about it. Our tigers have proven to me that they can play ball with all of you fish heads in spite of your three-county all-star teams.

Now if you'll excuse me... we kinda' have bigger fish to fry!

BEAT IGGY!!!!!!!

[PDC]

I've found St Iggy gathering students from as far away as Lake Twp. of Stark Co... so I'd give St Ed a break on THIS one.

Maybe.


Really Smitty??

Seems to me any kid WILLING to drive every day from Stark County to Cleveland for High School deserves some kind of break.

And I'd bet anything this "gathering" was not football or sports-related.

[GrowlingTiger87]

Who cares. It's never going to change. Its always going to be an uneven playing field, so it does no good to dwell on it. They can cheat LEGALLY. It bites, but what are ya gonna do. :thumbsdown:

[Smitty]

Really Smitty??

Yes, honestly.

I'd discussed this li'l finding some time ago with other Ignatius posters here (I belive it was CatAlum... or CatFan... I dunno...).

For YOUR sake, PDC: I met a waitress at a wing house restaurant in Akron who was wearing a blue "IGNATIUS" sweatshirt. I asked how she came to be wearing this (as it's an all-boys school!); she explained that her elder brother was an Ignatius graduate. Within further conversation she revealed that the family lived in Lake Twp. of Stark Co. She said her brother did NOT play football; but other sports were not mentioned. I have no reason to assume the young lady embellished details within our coversation.

[TtigerFan]

Re Massillon Tiger Football schedule...
I have been explaining the Tiger football's playoff/State Champ situation over the past 30 years as "other high school teams are growing up, the high schools are getting larger, hiring good coaches, attracting good players (their familiesmove to the school's football program), etc...

But MAYBE I have been growling up the wrong tree...MAYBE it does have a lot to do with the league schedule issues...

So...What kind of League can Massillon Tiger Football get into?

It's been interesting to see them play ARIZONA, CANADA, and other unusual, teams from out of the area/state, as well as big football powerhouse teams...But now that I thnk of other possibilities....MAYBE there is something to the issue....

It seems important to GET to the playoffs.... Nice to play the BEST teams, and still get there, but if you don't get there....