Torrence NOT GUILTY

[massillon catholic]

As I predicted Torrence has been aquitted of all charges

[LLRose]

As I predicted Torrence has been aquitted of all charges

Are you willing to admit he never told Tom he wouldn't play defense last year?

[massillon catholic]

Are you willing to admit he never told Tom he wouldn't play defense last year?


He didnt tell tom, he told Checca and stacy did nothing.

[LLRose]

He didnt tell tom, he told Checca and stacy did nothing.

Tom never intended to play him on defense. Al may have wanted him to play defense, Tom didn't. Neither did JT.

[TigerCoach]

http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=419829&r=0&Category=15&subCategoryID=0

From The Rep.

[massillon catholic]

Tom never intended to play him on defense.

You've just made my case why stacy had no business coaching at Massillon.

[LLRose]

You've just made my case why stacy had no business coaching at Massillon.

I appreciate your opinion and agree to disagree, we've done this one before.

I hope you're enjoying your summer.

[Red50Go]

Tom never intended to play him on defense. Al may have wanted him to play defense, Tom didn't. Neither did JT.

Thats even MORE disconcerting. He was only the best LB in Ohio, plus we had Turner. 'IF' that really was coach's decision then it ranks #1 as far as dumbest of all-time. And thats saying alot.

As far as JT, I love him, and I dont blame him, but F him. This is our team.

[CarlE]

Tom never intended to play him on defense. Al may have wanted him to play defense, Tom didn't. Neither did JT.

And there you have it. Why Spineless Stacy should NEVER have been the head coach at Massillon. There is NO defending this guy. He had ZERO control over the team. And the only reason he DIDN'T want to play DT on defense is because DT told him he WOULDN'T play defense. Good freaking riddance.

[DAWGH8R]

So the alleged incident took place the after the Mentor game ???

[massillon catholic]

So the alleged incident took place the after the Mentor game ???


Wonder if they busted the girls for curfew violations?

[TigerCoach]

The story says that they could find no evidence of a rape. I thought just the fact that sex took place with a 12-yr old qualified as rape. The fact that it took place was not disputed. Any lawyers here???

[LLRose]

Thats even MORE disconcerting. He was only the best LB in Ohio, plus we had Turner. 'IF' that really was coach's decision then it ranks #1 as far as dumbest of all-time. And thats saying alot.

As far as JT, I love him, and I dont blame him, but F him. This is our team.

Last comment on this topic.

It is NOT unusual for a top RB in OHSAA history to not play both ways.

Brandon Saine, Carlos Snow, Pepe Pearson, Beinie Wells, Robert Smith, Antonio Pittman the list is longer for those that did not play both ways.

You all may have wanted him to play both ways, however that is not how it works with Top 10 National RB prospects.

[LLRose]

And there you have it. Why Spineless Stacy should NEVER have been the head coach at Massillon. There is NO defending this guy. He had ZERO control over the team. And the only reason he DIDN'T want to play DT on defense is because DT told him he WOULDN'T play defense. Good freaking riddance.

One more comment.

MC confirmed he never told Tom he wouldn't/didn't want to play defense.
Tom never intended to have him tplay defense.

It's simple, he wanted to hand the ball to him 20-30 times a game. He didn't want him on defense. Top coaches around the country don't play nationally ranked RBs both ways. It just doesn't happen.

[TigerCoach]

Top coaches around the country don't play nationally ranked RBs both ways. It just doesn't happen.

That's the crazy thing about this.........We didn't have one of the top coaches in the county, errrrrr, country!

[LLRose]

That's the crazy thing about this.........We didn't have one of the top coaches in the county, errrrrr, country!

We never do, in this coaching graveyard

[CarlE]

We never do, in this coaching graveyard

Not since Earle Bruce. Tenure: 2 years.

[TigerDL71]

Even if he is not guilty.....does anyone else find it offensive that he would even have sex with a girl that young in the first place?

[obie7661]

Not since Earle Bruce. Tenure: 2 years.

Bob Commings was a pretty good coach.

[LLRose]

Not since Earle Bruce. Tenure: 2 years.

CarlE, I know we agree on the need for coaching continuity with the program.

[CATS44]

GOOD coaching continuity.

Spielman
Hannon
Doss
Martin
Clarrett
Brinson
Logan
Lytle
Woodson

I can keep going, but those are some pretty fair RBs that played both ways....and carried the ball a ton.

[DAWGH8R]

Chris Spielman was an OK linebacker that played some running back.

Was DT recruited by OSU as a LB or RB ???

[obie7661]

Chris Spielman was an OK linebacker that played some running back.

Was DT recruited by OSU as a LB or RB ???

Spielman played a lot of running back. He was the starting running back. He was rarely out of a game.

[dataintsmiff]

Even if he is not guilty.....does anyone else find it offensive that he would even have sex with a girl that young in the first place?

Well said!

[march]

I thought Craig Johnson was the starting running back when Spielman played?
Spielman was an ok linebacker??
I do see the point of not starting aguy thats going to carry the ball 25-30 times agame @ linebacker.That would be quite a pounding for a guy that valuable to take over the course of a season.That just putting too many eggs in one basket.

[CarlE]

Chris Spielman was an OK linebacker that played some running back.

Was DT recruited by OSU as a LB or RB ???

What are you talking about? I'm HOPING this was sarcasm. And if memory serves me correctly, both Spielman and Craig Johnson were in the backfield at the same time. And LLRose, I certainly hope you aren't comparing Torrance to those running backs you listed. Not even CLOSE.

[mommy]

first of all if you read the newspaper articles correctly it states he admitted to having NO SEXUAL CONTACT WITH HER WHATSOEVER.....the rape charge, i believe was coming from the assumption that he had SEXUAL CONTACT with a person under 13....ASSUMPTION is the key word....just like it was ASSUMED that all the other boys had sexual contact with her/them as well....

the other people were still charged because at the beginning of the whole thing, after in the prosecutor's hands, we received letters stating if they did not accept what was being filed against them, then they would be charged with RAPE.....so that is why devoe was charged with it to begin with, because he fought it.....

as for pete and elder....they had the same chance as devoe, only they violated their probation, so they were thrown in the slammer until trial day...another difference here is that pete and elder had on-going sexual contact with the girls, as where devoe's was a one time incident SUPPOSEDLY......

as for the younger boys that were charged, which were handled informally, and boy do i mean informally, i don't know about all of them, but as i said before, the prosecutor told us if they did not go along with the charges, more charges could be brought and they would be locked up....I SUPPOSE NOW IN HINESIGHT.....THIS WAS TO SCARE US......so they took the charges of just being UNRULY.....they were given and abided by everything asked of them....just classes and curfew until classes are over....if they are good...then THEY ARE GOOD TO GO!!!!!

[chap]

If I recall correctly,MC predicted the outcome! It depends on who you are as to how your treated. I know a true story that happened in a school. A boy slammed a girls face down on her desk and bloodied her nose. When she went to the emergency room, the doctor said that she was lucky he didn't break it. " Punishment" one day in school detention. A few months later the girls boy friend jumped this boy in school and hit him a few times. He had a small scratch above one eye. "Punishment" 20 days out of school suspension, do all of his homework that didn't count, and 165 days community service.

Justice at its best!

[mike_da_man13]

lack of evidence is alot different than not doing it. wasn't he about to take a plea bargain? that to me is pretty much admitting what he did! anyway watch your kids when he's around. its a shame that someone can do something highly disgusting and not get so much as a slap in the wrist. the justice system fails again!

[mommy]

what do u mean???? devoe never admitted to any sexual contact with this girl.....the girl even said at the beginning she could not remember...then changed her story once on the stand...and devoe's lawyer.....GOT HER TO ADMIT THAT SHE IS A BIG FAT LIAR.......and as far as i know, he was not about to take a plea bargain and that is why pete and elder went to court last month or month before that and his trial was scheduled for today...BECAUSE HE WAS FIGHTING THE CHARGES......

if it was all about who he was then OSU would not have pulled his scholarship, he would still be going there because he was so good....

now he is up for grabs and i bet ya someone grabs him within a week.....

[mommy]

We Need To Watch Our Kids When The Girls Are Around!!!!!!!!!

[Paul Brown]

Haupt also got his sons out of a rape that was on video... no surprise here.

[mike_da_man13]

what do u mean???? devoe never admitted to any sexual contact with this girl.....the girl even said at the beginning she could not remember...then changed her story once on the stand...and devoe's lawyer.....GOT HER TO ADMIT THAT SHE IS A BIG FAT LIAR.......and as far as i know, he was not about to take a plea bargain and that is why pete and elder went to court last month or month before that and his trial was scheduled for today...BECAUSE HE WAS FIGHTING THE CHARGES......

if it was all about who he was then OSU would not have pulled his scholarship, he would still be going there because he was so good....

now he is up for grabs and i bet ya someone grabs him within a week.....

ok fair enough and oj didnt kill his wife right?
nobody is going to take a chance on him well maybe just Child Rapist Tech...
where undoubtly he enters at the top of his class

[Paul Brown]

We Need To Watch Our Kids When The Girls Are Around!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's the girls fault. Those boys had no part in it. Grow up.

[massmom2009]

Tom never intended to play him on defense. Al may have wanted him to play defense, Tom didn't. Neither did JT.

What do you mean neither did JT?

[mike_da_man13]

What do you mean neither did JT?

lol i was thinking the same thing. jt would want it because he would get to carry the ball more. not to mention they play completely diff positions.
we had a 3headed monster remember? he wouldnt have to carry the load by himself!

[Buckeye80]

I believe that the "JT" being referred to in the earlier post is Jim Tressel...
The implication being that Jim Tressel did not want Devoe playing defense...
Whether that is true or not is certainly up for debate...

[mommy]

lol....

NO OJ DID NOT KILL HIS WIFE THAT IS WHY HE WAS NOT CHARGED.....:afro:

[Paul Brown]

He was charged. Not convicted.

[Striker300]

CarlE, your memory is correct, Craig and Chris both started in the two back set that was being run, and both played both ways!

[mommy]

and grow up???? lol.....

you guys just are not understanding the whole story....these girls do not look or act 12/13...they told the boys they were older....THE BOYS ONLY FAULT WAS NOT VERIFYING THEIR AGES, but who would......

it was the girls "OUT ON THE PROWL" for their next victims.....

these same girls are still "OUT ON THE PROWL" for their next victims....still acting in the same whorish way.....

they were at the first car show....and what do you know...at least one of the girls, the main girl in question, she was with a way, way older guy....well....that was funny....because the boys went up to this boy and told him....SHE IS JAIL BAIT.....she was pissed.......

look at her my space page....we thought it was disturbing when this all started....think she would of cleaned it up, but no IT IS WORSE NOW......

SHE/THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED A LESSON AT ALL......still doing the same 'ole things.....her guardian still lets her do WHATEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS....

SO YES, BLAME THE GIRLS...........SORRY, IT IS WHAT IT IS.....:wtf:

[Kamd50]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter how you want to spin it, these boys were not "victims" for crying out loud! Even none of the other kids in school say anything as stupid as that.

That's about enough of this bull****:obiefanfire:

[LLRose]

What are you talking about? I'm HOPING this was sarcasm. And if memory serves me correctly, both Spielman and Craig Johnson were in the backfield at the same time. And LLRose, I certainly hope you aren't comparing Torrance to those running backs you listed. Not even CLOSE.

No I'm not comparing him to the other backs, however Jim Tressell and most of the top programs considered him a top 10 nationally rated running back and made him their #1 recruiting priority for the RB position.

Tressel even stopped recruiting other RBs after he committed to the Buckeyes.

There are a lot of short memories on this site, many posters were falling over themselves when he decided to transfer from South.

[casey]

Although I may be nontopical, I want to give a special thanks to Buckeye80 who totally clarified who the original J. T. was and it totally makes sense to me.

There are just a few too many "JT's" that we are alluding to and I think that Buckeye80's statement makes the most sense as I would hope that we would never let another student dictate who plays "which" position.

[mike_da_man13]

No I'm not comparing him to the other backs, however Jim Tressell and most of the top programs considered him a top 10 nationally rated running back and made him their #1 recruiting priority for the RB position.

Tressel even stopped recruiting other RBs after he committed to the Buckeyes.

There are a lot of short memories on this site, many posters were falling over themselves when he decided to transfer from South.

being convicted of rape will do that to people

[LLRose]

CarlE, your memory is correct, Craig and Chris both started in the two back set that was being run, and both played both ways!

Early 80s football and mid 00s football are not the same.

Spielman is an apples to oranges comparison to DT.

Spielman was a LB recruit not a tailback it just isn't the same. Johnson was not in the same class compared to DT in regard to national pre-season recruiting. Not even close. It is night and day.

Go on Scout or any other site. Top 10-20 nationally rated RBs
DO NOT PLAY DEFENSE! I'm referring to elite nationally rated Tailbacks not "garden variety" DI scholarship backs.

Tailbacks that play in the Army High School All American game do not play defense. DBs that play in the Army All American game may play some RB in High School but Feature Blue Chip Tail backs do not.

[LLRose]

Early 80s football and mid 00s football are not the same.

Spielman is an apples to oranges comparison to DT.

Spielman was a LB recruit not a tailback it just isn't the same. Johnson was not in the same class compared to DT in regard to national pre-season recruiting. Not even close. It is night and day.

Go on Scout or any other site. Top 10-20 nationally rated RBs
DO NOT PLAY DEFENSE! I'm referring to elite nationally rated Tailbacks not "garden variety" DI scholarship backs.

Tailbacks that play in the Army High School All American game do not play defense. DBs that play in the Army All American game may play some RB in High School but Feature Blue Chip Tail backs do not.

For the record, DT couldn't hold Johnson's jock. MSU recruit and the State Champ in the 100 meters. That being said, Johnson was not nationally coveted at the same level DT was before the season.

[CATS44]

Without much effort I quickly found three top ten nationally ranked RBs who also started on defense.

#2...Cierre Woods...also played CB...50 tackles and 3 INT

#6...Tavon Austin...also starred as a defensive back, leading his team in INTs

#8 ...Dexter Pratt... ILB on defense.

But nevertheless, we put a defense on the field last year that wasnt very good...while our supposedly best player watched the mayhem.

[pnthrfan]

SHE/THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED A LESSON AT ALL......still doing the same 'ole things.....her guardian still lets her do WHATEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS....

Let's see......If I'm not mistaken( and I could be) didn't all of this stuff start at the Whiskey Ranch? And where was your son, (who happened to be involved in all this mess) last week? That's right.....back at the Whiskey Ranch. So before you go off about how this girls guardian let's her do WHATEVER THE HELL SHE WANTS..... You better look in the mirror, because you aren't doing very well in the GUARDIAN department, let alone the MOMMY one. :glare:

[Paul Brown]

it was the girls "OUT ON THE PROWL" for their next victims.....

these same girls are still "OUT ON THE PROWL" for their next victims....still acting in the same whorish way.....

Oh those pooooooooooooooor victims! That little girl must have put a gun to their heads.


And your boys are still out on the prowl at the same F'in place they got in trouble at. I'm not seeing a lot of intelligence here, but I can see it is to be expected.

[CarlE]

Oh those pooooooooooooooor victims! That little girl must have put a gun to their heads.


And your boys are still out on the prowl at the same F'in place they got in trouble at. I'm not seeing a lot of intelligence here, but I can see it is to be expected.
Honest to GOD. This woman is freaking unbelievable.

[savage4president]

Tom never intended to play him on defense. Al may have wanted him to play defense, Tom didn't. Neither did JT.

Well then Tom is dumber than I initially thought...he was a better LB than he was an RB, that held true during his time as CS as well.

[Tiger 1]

CarlE, your memory is correct, Craig and Chris both started in the two back set that was being run, and both played both ways!

Actually we had 3 running backs in the backfield. Tim Sampsel played fullback. We ran the "Run and Shoot" back when Currence coached. Johnson and Spielman were the slot backs. That was a 3 headed monster!! I played in that offence. It was a great offence back then. IMO, Johnson was better than Torrence. Our offence was alot more unpredictable than what was run last year though.

[austinsm11]

Actually we had 3 running backs in the backfield. Tim Sampsel played fullback. We ran the "Run and Shoot" back when Currence coached. Johnson and Spielman were the slot backs. That was a 3 headed monster!!

Hmmmm.....seems kind of ironic.

[hexumjunkie]

what Do U Mean???? Devoe Never Admitted To Any Sexual Contact With This Girl.....the Girl Even Said At The Beginning She Could Not Remember...then Changed Her Story Once On The Stand...and Devoe's Lawyer.....got Her To Admit That She Is A Big Fat Liar.......and As Far As I Know, He Was Not About To Take A Plea Bargain And That Is Why Pete And Elder Went To Court Last Month Or Month Before That And His Trial Was Scheduled For Today...because He Was Fighting The Charges......

If It Was All About Who He Was Then Osu Would Not Have Pulled His Scholarship, He Would Still Be Going There Because He Was So Good....

Now He Is Up For Grabs And I Bet Ya Someone Grabs Him Within A Week.....

Two Bad Stark State Dont Have A Football Team....he's Like A Steak From Walmart....tainted

[austinsm11]

Were any of the other people at the house during the night in question called to the stand?

[BigTime]

what do u mean???? devoe never admitted to any sexual contact with this girl.....the girl even said at the beginning she could not remember...then changed her story once on the stand...and devoe's lawyer.....GOT HER TO ADMIT THAT SHE IS A BIG FAT LIAR.......and as far as i know, he was not about to take a plea bargain and that is why pete and elder went to court last month or month before that and his trial was scheduled for today...BECAUSE HE WAS FIGHTING THE CHARGES......

if it was all about who he was then OSU would not have pulled his scholarship, he would still be going there because he was so good....

now he is up for grabs and i bet ya someone grabs him within a week.....

I’m sure you are very proud of your son. Always know that he is the way he is because of your parenting.

[captain]

Haupt also got his sons out of a rape that was on video... no surprise here.

Not possible - Jeffrey Haupt does not have a son - actually, he has no children.

[CarlE]

lol....

NO OJ DID NOT KILL HIS WIFE THAT IS WHY HE WAS NOT CHARGED.....:afro:

Um, he was charged and went to trial. Or were you under a rock for that year? Acquitted? Yes. HOWEVER, Orenthal the lying, double-murdering (allegedly) a*hole WAS convicted in a civil law-suit and ordered to pay upwards of $30 million. By the way, I wonder how his search for the REAL killers is going out there in Vegas on the golf courses? God, you are pathetic, you know that?

[Red50Go]

Well then Tom is dumber than I initially thought...he was a better LB than he was an RB, that held true during his time as CS as well.

Thank you. To boot, for 2 years another Big Ten recruit Gamble, all he did was go all out on both sides and special teams for the good of the team...then a year later the coach takes a different approach for a stud transfer??? While we struggle and dont make the playoffs? I am sure that went over real well w/ the team.

[hexumjunkie]

Um, he was charged and went to trial. Or were you under a rock for that year? Acquitted? Yes. HOWEVER, Orenthal the lying, double-murdering (allegedly) a*hole WAS convicted in a civil law-suit and ordered to pay upwards of $30 million. By the way, I wonder how his search for the REAL killers is going out there in Vegas on the golf courses? God, you are pathetic, you know that?

I'm reading How I helped OJ get away with murder right now. Bought it used on amazon for 3.50. It's a pretty good read.

[Paul Brown]

Not possible - Jeffrey Haupt does not have a son - actually, he has no children.

Sorry Jeff is their uncle. John is their father. John is also a lawyer.

[Mass6]

I'm wondering why we are wasting time talking about a kid who truely wasn't a Tiger and brought so many distractions that it really hurt not only our city, but the kids on last years team. Lets move on and forget about him!!!

[mommy]

and as for you CARLE......I AM PROUD OF MY SON AND HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS....he made a mistake and i am not proud of that, but he has learned from his mistake and moved on.....

HE IS A GREAT SON, KID, FRIEND, ATHLETE...he is not perfect but he is GREAT....so yes I AM PROUD OF MY SON, AS WELL AS MY OLDER SON AND MY DAUGHTER.....

[DE#53]

Chris Spielman was an OK linebacker that played some running back.

Was DT recruited by OSU as a LB or RB ???
I'm going to assume you never saw Spielman play. In case you never have let me tell you that this kid Torrence could never carry Chris' jock. As a running back it took at least 2-3 defenders to bring him down. To this day he is the best High School back I ever saw at spinning off of a would be tackler for more yardage. He didn't have break away speed but never went down. As far as playing linebacker the only high school linebacker I've seen since Spielman that compares is Katzenmoyer. If Torrence is really not guilty, then good. But I have a feeling he's walking the same path as Billy Relford. And that situation got to what it was by no one putting any consequences on the kid when he messed up because he was a so called "star".

[DE#53]

CarlE, your memory is correct, Craig and Chris both started in the two back set that was being run, and both played both ways!

Correction... the offense then was the Double Slot. Sampsel at FB, Spielman at one Slotback and Johnson at the other. Dewitz at QB

[DE#53]

For the record, DT couldn't hold Johnson's jock. MSU recruit and the State Champ in the 100 meters. That being said, Johnson was not nationally coveted at the same level DT was before the season.

I think a lot of the hype that the top players get now as far as recruiting has to do with all the media outlets too. The Big Ten channel, 3 or 4 ESPN channels, all the recruiting web sites plus local sports talk radio. Not much of that existed 25 years ago. So hype is just that, hype. The kids got talent but how coachable is he is so important at the next level.

[CarlE]

and as for you CARLE......I AM PROUD OF MY SON AND HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS....he made a mistake and i am not proud of that, but he has learned from his mistake and moved on.....

HE IS A GREAT SON, KID, FRIEND, ATHLETE...he is not perfect but he is GREAT....so yes I AM PROUD OF MY SON, AS WELL AS MY OLDER SON AND MY DAUGHTER.....

Huh? I posted about freaking Orenthal the double-murderer. What are you talking about?

[mommy]

I WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO APOLOGIZE TO CARLE....i was mistaken....it was PANTHRFAN i wanted to say that to....SORRY AGAIN CARLE....very sorry!!!

[austinsm11]

but he has learned from his mistake and moved on.....


I really hope that is the case, but I doubt it considering he was back at the ranch again just a few weeks ago.(You remember, the same place where you placed a good bit of the blame).

[mommy]

I am not going to ban him from there...shit the girls are everywhere the boys go....so am i supposed to keep him in the house....I HAVE TO HAVE TRUST IN HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS and this I KNOW HE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE....he has learned a valuable lesson in this whole MESS.......so if he wants to go there, as long as the three girls in question are not there, he is allowed to go......i don't want him anywhere in a facility where those girls are...like i said, she is still trying to get at him.....

he is the one who chooses not to go there anymore because it is BORING.....

[austinsm11]

I HAVE TO HAVE TRUST IN HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS and this I KNOW HE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE

And you think going back there is a good decision? How about those foam nights that some were talking about? That is a brilliant idea for TEENS. :doh2: You went on and on and on about how they should check IDs there and how was your son suppose to know she was younger than 14 when that is the youngest they allow in. What if they allow a different 12/13 year old in again? Then there is the issue of them serving alcohol to minors, according to you and your son.

So, do you really think this is a good place for your teenager to be going?

[mommy]

as i have said, I TRUST HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE...and as for the alcohol being served this was said to be true by a few kids....NO I DON'T WANT HIM DRINKING IN A TEEN CLUB OR ANYWHERE FOR THAT MATTER...so again, I TRUST HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.....he made a very bad choice already, and hopefully he knows not to make this choice again in the future....

as for trendsetters, he only was there opening night and has not been back, so i assume he will not be frequenting on his own free-will....he is not interested in it......

[Kamd50]

I am not going to ban him from there...shit the girls are everywhere the boys go....so am i supposed to keep him in the house....I HAVE TO HAVE TRUST IN HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS and this I KNOW HE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE....he has learned a valuable lesson in this whole MESS.......so if he wants to go there, as long as the three girls in question are not there, he is allowed to go......

mommy, you posted this in another thread on 06-25-2008, 05:16 PM

"he was there friday and told me of this when he came home...HE WILL NOT BE BACK.....i already told him this......"

Along with that, you also posted that your son accused the personnel there of serving vodka and 7up to the kids.

Now, if you believe your son like you say you do, why in the world would you allow him to go somewhere like that? Most parents would not allow their children to frequent any place that they believed was serving alcohol to minors.

And secondly, why would you turn around and say he can go there if he wants to when you previously said that you told him that he would not be going there anymoe?

This is the type of behavior by adults that sends the wrong message to our children. If a parent says something to their children, then they should stick to it and teach them something about being a man or woman of their word. Otherwise, they quickly learn that the parent doesn't really mean what they say in the first place.

[mommy]

as for the "foam nights" he has never been to that either....AND I DEFINATELY WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO GO ON THESE NIGHTS....that is toooooo much....

[austinsm11]

mommy, you posted this in another thread on 06-25-2008, 05:16 PM

"he was there friday and told me of this when he came home...HE WILL NOT BE BACK.....i already told him this......"

And secondly, why would you turn around and say he can go there if he wants to when you previously said that you told him that he would not be going there anymoe?

This is the type of behavior by adults that sends the wrong message to our children. If a parent says something to their children, then they should stick to it and teach them something about being a man or woman of their word. Otherwise, they quickly learn that the parent doesn't really mean what they say in the first place.

Exactly. Good post Kamd.

Now, if you really trust him as you say you do, why can't he go to the club if the girls are there? He knows the trouble they bring, so won't he make the right decision?

The situation probably is more along the lines of this: Mommy probably told him that he couldn't go and he went anyway. Instead of disciplining him, now it has become his choice. Since she can't/won't discipline him it has now become his choice.

[OTC TIGER]

Correction... the offense then was the Double Slot. Sampsel at FB, Spielman at one Slotback and Johnson at the other. Dewitz at QB

Correction...The offense was the Run and Shoot in which Coach Currence added an I formation look the year prior due to the ability of Jim Bushe as a running back and continued that the following year where Johnson and or Spielman would jump in to the I from the wing position.

[DAWGH8R]

I'm going to assume you never saw Spielman play..

You assumed wrong. I went to school with him, and somehow ended up at every game he ever wore a Massillon uni in. Sorry you missed the sarcasm in my post. After I 'joked' that Spielman was an OK LB, I should have added this :wink: !!

[TigerDL71]

After reading the story in the Indepedent the whole story just sickens my stomach. Whats really funny is all of this happened after a football game. Maybe if he would have used some of that energy he had on the field instead of after the game we might have won a few more games. Obviously after reading the article it sounded like Torrence can't keep it in his pants either. This whole story just makes me sick.

[mommy]

if u read the article correctly it was after a football game, but an OSU one that he went to with JT.....not a tiger game....

as for the club thing...YES I DO TRUST HIM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, as in the alcohol....

as for trusting him with the girls, I DO TRUST HIM AROUND THOSE SAME GIRLS...he don't want them......HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE AROUND THE GIRLS and I don't want him in the same place as they are so he will not be in trouble with the probation officer, if he were to find out....so that is why he is not allowed there when they are there....

HE DOES LISTEN TO ME AND ALWAYS CHECKS IN WITH ME WHEN OUT AND ABOUT.....AS I CHECK ON HIS WHEREABOUTS AS WELL ONCE IN A WHILE JUST SO HE KNOWS I AM CHECKING......

SO ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE OUT THERE WHO THINKS I'M A BAD PARENT....GO TO HE..

[CarlE]

I have to say this. Whether you agree or disagree with her, this woman has a lot of courage to come on here and take the things that WE (including me) say to her. She has NEVER backed down from a statement, she has never done any reporting, and she continues to state her case.

Agree or not, there is something to be said for someone that has this fortitude.

[pnthrfan]

I have to say this. Whether you agree or disagree with her, this woman has a lot of courage to come on here and take the things that WE (including me) say to her. She has NEVER backed down from a statement, she has never done any reporting, and she continues to state her case.

Agree or not, there is something to be said for someone that has this fortitude.

Yeah CarlE....You're right. It does take alot of fortitude to call 11 and 12 year old girls , whores, whoochie mamas, and big fat liars.....contradict yourself continuously, and use profanity in just about every post you make.

Obviously, you can tell that I don't agree with her. I do however, wish her children good-luck in their future endeavors. :smile:

[Paul Brown]

You call it courage.. I call it ignorance.

[mommy]

:biggrin:

[Coke Guy]

I predict that Billy Relford and Cody Butzer from northwest will have a new friend this time next year. This young man single handled ruined are football team last year. The stories I could tell would amaze you. This is all yesterdays news. Lets move on and support this years team.

[Doom5oh]

Is it time for predictions? Well since Coach Rodriguez at Michigan brought the NFL the 2 biggest turds in recent memory from WSU... Chris Henry & Adam Jones. I expect D.T. to fit in nicely in that 'program up north.' Go Bucks!

[DAWGH8R]

I have to say this. Whether you agree or disagree with her, this woman has a lot of courage to come on here and take the things that WE (including me) say to her. She has NEVER backed down from a statement, she has never done any reporting, and she continues to state her case.

Agree or not, there is something to be said for someone that has this fortitude.

Now if only this could equate into somehow being a good parent !! :poke:

Thank God the whole mess is over, and that no children became of it !!

[DAWGH8R]

if u read the article correctly it was after a football game, but an OSU one that he went to with JT.....not a tiger game....
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from the Repository:

The girl initially testified that she didn't remember what happened between her and Torrence after she went to his bedroom in the early morning hours of Sept. 23.


The article says the early morning hours of SEPTEMBER 23RD. That would be Friday night AFTER MIDNIGHT. We played Mentor on Sept 22. Shortly after the game ended, it was the early morning hours of Sept 23rd.

Saturday , on SEPT 23rd, in the AFTERNOON hour of the day at 3:30PM, Ohio State played Northwestern in Columbus.

I think you got the wrong version of the story, or it happened 2 night in a row !!:Oo:

[DE#53]

I'm sure all true Tiger fans wish this whole situation would just go away and we could move forward. I sure hope from now on that any coach, teacher, administrator, and or parent will take the high road in teaching our student athletes whats RIGHT. The program comes first. Bad actions have consequences and if you screw up you don't play. We want people to represent our city with class and be respected. We play for the name on the front of the jersey not the back! I don't think coach Hall will have any trouble with asking a kid to play a different position to help the team. And I hope we don't hear anymore crap about a player dictating what he will and won't do. If he does. There's the door!

[austinsm11]

from the Repository:

The girl initially testified that she didn't remember what happened between her and Torrence after she went to his bedroom in the early morning hours of Sept. 23.


The article says the early morning hours of SEPTEMBER 23RD. That would be Friday night AFTER MIDNIGHT. We played Mentor on Sept 22. Shortly after the game ended, it was the early morning hours of Sept 23rd.

Saturday , on SEPT 23rd, in the AFTERNOON hour of the day at 3:30PM, Ohio State played Northwestern in Columbus.

I think you got the wrong version of the story, or it happened 2 night in a row !!:Oo:


September 23 was a Sunday. Ohio State doesn't play on Sunday.

[Mass6]

I'm sure all true Tiger fans wish this whole situation would just go away and we could move forward. I sure hope from now on that any coach, teacher, administrator, and or parent will take the high road in teaching our student athletes whats RIGHT. The program comes first. Bad actions have consequences and if you screw up you don't play. We want people to represent our city with class and be respected. We play for the name on the front of the jersey not the back! I don't think coach Hall will have any trouble with asking a kid to play a different position to help the team. And I hope we don't hear anymore crap about a player dictating what he will and won't do. If he does. There's the door!

Coach Hall won't have a problem with that. In fact, at the 7 on 7 I saw Mike Clark playing Safety, Slot WR, QB. You have to get your athletes on the field and put them in position to help you win, not to help them play what they want. I agree 100% with the playing for the name on the front and not the back. I hope he gets rid of the names on the back, at least for the first 9 games (I wouldn't mind seeing them gone for every game, but I know that the kids get excited about it and it is a small reward for playing hard). YOU WILL SEE A MORE DISCIPLINED TEAM ON THE FIELD THIS YEAR!!!!!!

[Tiger77]

Though it's tough to know which of the kids is telling the truth, I wonder if the girl that had to testify learned anything from her experience. It must've been hard to take the stand, tell your story and not be believed and have everyone know it.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Is it time for predictions? Well since Coach Rodriguez at Michigan brought the NFL the 2 biggest turds in recent memory from WSU... Chris Henry & Adam Jones. I expect D.T. to fit in nicely in that 'program up north.' Go Bucks!

Are you saying that Devoe Torrence is headed to Michigan? I know Michigan was a finalist for Torrence's services but that isn't the case now. Rodriguez already got someone from Detroit (name escapes me right now) who is the same height and weight as Torrence but is a faster threat who can break a long run every time he touches the ball.

[Paul Brown]

He's the same size as torrence, faster, can break a long run any play.. yet you don't know his name.

[austinsm11]

I really hope this doesn't happen, but I could see it. What if JT promised him that if everything worked out and he was found not guilty that there would be a scholarship waiting on him?

[Tiger77]

Rumor mill among the kids has him going to Cincinnati.

[mommy]

regarding the discrepancy on what football game it happened after, this is where i got my information.....

this is straight from the rep......

Torrence and a friend attended the Ohio State University football game on Sept. 22 against Northwestern.

When they returned to Massillon, they went to the home of a friend of the 12-year-old before returning to Torrence's home, where Stark County Assistant Prosecutor Jill Kaminski argued that Torrence had sex with the 12-year-old in his bedroom.

so i think i do got it straight....I KNOW WHAT I READ and I still don't think i misinterpreted the statements made above.....

as i said, devoe and JT went to this game together and after they got back, this is when it says it happened.....

[march]

We have to quit blaming DT for out lack of success last year.Stacy pointed out the lack of effort in the weight room before he arrived.After witnessing the Mentor game I cant accuse the kid of not playing hard.

[march]

Also we should propably take a wait and see attitude with Jason Hall before we rush to conclusions.After all,we had a pretty disciplined team the first year Stacy was here.
He hasnt went through the trials of a football season yet.Let see what happens when adversity comes,after we lose a game,and people and booster club members get critical.

[TigerCoach]

regarding the discrepancy on what football game it happened after, this is where i got my information.....

this is straight from the rep......

Torrence and a friend attended the Ohio State University football game on Sept. 22 against Northwestern.

When they returned to Massillon, they went to the home of a friend of the 12-year-old before returning to Torrence's home, where Stark County Assistant Prosecutor Jill Kaminski argued that Torrence had sex with the 12-year-old in his bedroom.

so i think i do got it straight....I KNOW WHAT I READ and I still don't think i misinterpreted the statements made above.....

as i said, devoe and JT went to this game together and after they got back, this is when it says it happened.....

I still want to know why it isn't considered rape? I thought it was automatic, consensual or not, if the person was under the age of 13?