Did anybody else think that we.............

[Benchboss1]

panicked on our final drive last night? We had about 5 minutes left and we were in the spread every play and Gamble was not a factor! I thought that we had enough time to run our regular offense and score. Any other thoughts on this?

[tiger#22]

panicked on our final drive last night? We had about 5 minutes left and we were in the spread every play and Gamble was not a factor! I thought that we had enough time to run our regular offense and score. Any other thoughts on this?

I dont think it was panic, Gamble had a 5 yard run to get a 1st down out to about the 15 and get some breathing room since they started at the 2. I think the biggest problem and this was the problem the whole game and really even last week against Hamilton was Huth is getting no time to sit back in the pocket and see the field. After they got that first down Mentor rushed 3 and had a guy blitz and each time he came in basically unblocked.

[Tiger2001]

Yes i totaly agree! We looked like we had somewhere else to be. Im still confused how our defense did so poorly in the 2nd half against that gimic offense mentor was running. :rock:

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

even if huth gets time to see the field he can`t. he`s so small he can`t stand in the pocket he must roll out to see down field and that is a big weakness.

[jbones]

:tig: the oline as a unit did not show up. The oline didnt stay on their blocks and bg couldnt find anywhere to go, he had to do it all by himself. Also i think that if any oline cant block for you no matter how big or tall or whatever size your quarterback is then you wont have any success in the running or passing game. :ERS2:

[actoral]

Couldn't get to the game, but as a former fb coach (over 30 yrs.) after seeing the TIGERS in their first game I observed huge bodies, too slow. I mentioned to my wife, at the time, what's needed is what we used to refer to as (live legs) . That's something that can be developed, but does require a lot of attention. Bye the bye, again not having seen the game, I seriously doubt that the players/ coaches lacked motivation. Give credit where credit is due. Mentor apparently has a very good team.

[ChronicTiger]

we need to attach the middle of the field. I would like to go verticle a couple times during the game. I felt like I was watching the browns friday night.

[Benchboss1]

Chronic, I agree with you about the middle of the field. While we throw 2-3 times in that area, we don't attack it enough in my opinion. The one problem with going vertical is that I am not sure that our QB has the necessary arm strength to accomplish that effectively.

[CarlE]

Chronic, I agree with you about the middle of the field. While we throw 2-3 times in that area, we don't attack it enough in my opinion. The one problem with going vertical is that I am not sure that our QB has the necessary arm strength to accomplish that effectively.
Or the time.

[MSmitty0720]

Yea I would like to see the tight ends get more involved in the game to help out with the offense and try to get them going more down field by showing we can use the short pass too. After the game people were criticizing Bobby and saying stuff like hes a whimp, I guess hes a whimp I didnt see that lady out there takin shots left and right because of untouched d-lineman running right around the tackles, it looked like bob was doing sprints out there from sideline to sideline he didnt know which way to run but we got Iggy at home and I think we can pull this off.

:gogogo:

[obie0130]

i didn't even think that mentor offensively threw anything at us that was special. they juet killed us up the middle and we could not get the D off the field on 3rd down. their most successful play in the 2nd half was the QB up the middle after faking the handoff to the RB out of the shotgun. my friend and i were saying, if we are mentor we keep running it until the tigers stop it. we never adjusted to stop it and they were smart enough to keep running it. we got outcoached in that aspect.

[DAWGH8R]

We got outcoached in that aspect.

:iagree: :tounge:

[monte81]

i didn't even think that mentor offensively threw anything at us that was special. they juet killed us up the middle and we could not get the D off the field on 3rd down. their most successful play in the 2nd half was the QB up the middle after faking the handoff to the RB out of the shotgun. my friend and i were saying, if we are mentor we keep running it until the tigers stop it. we never adjusted to stop it and they were smart enough to keep running it. we got outcoached in that aspect.

Exactly-- that was the game right there! No adjustments to the QB ball fakes! All he did was run up the middle!

[longtimefirsttime]

After the game people were criticizing Bobby and saying stuff like hes a whimp

He's definitely not a wimp. He's very tough. Unfortunately the lack of sustained pass protection has him running for his life way too much.

[DAWGH8R]

If Moose is to be the tacle, why not have him on Bobby's left?? It is natural for a right handed QB to roll out to the right. So let's get the more mobile OT to the right side !!:afro:

[TigerDL71]

you always put the better of the two tackles on the left side, and reggie has a little more experience then moose so thats why he is the left tackle protecting bobby's blindside

[TigerCoach]

Chronic, I agree with you about the middle of the field. While we throw 2-3 times in that area, we don't attack it enough in my opinion. The one problem with going vertical is that I am not sure that our QB has the necessary arm strength to accomplish that effectively.

I've been saying this for 5-6 years! Even when we had Zwick, 90% of our throws were outside the hashes. Bobby can stand in the pocket and throw anywhere if he has just 4-5 seconds. That's not too much to ask.

[TigerDL71]

you need a TE to throw to in the middle and to stretch the field verticaly, this will stretch the defense as well and leave the outside passes open more often,I.E. was tony gonzalez for the chiefs he was good at stretching the field in the middle , another good example is one of the plays Iggy runs often callled the NCAA pass with the TE running a crossing route and a deep post

[Al.]

another good example is one of the plays Iggy runs often callled the NCAA pass with the TE running a crossing route and a deep post

...and they usually do it on third and long and we get burnt on it most of the time too.:wall:

[MSmitty0720]

yeah we sure do miss the weapon in having an experienced TE in Huffman who you could always count on to make a big play...If we play massillon football Friday we will win-that is, making tackles, control the game tempo, limit big plays,catch iggy off guard, and most importantly of them all...Give Bobby time to throw!!!!!!:gotigers:

[TigerCoach]

you need a TE to throw to in the middle and to stretch the field verticaly, this will stretch the defense as well and leave the outside passes open more often,I.E. was tony gonzalez for the chiefs he was good at stretching the field in the middle , another good example is one of the plays Iggy runs often callled the NCAA pass with the TE running a crossing route and a deep post

Do we not have a TE? How about Huffman, Gates, Jordan (yes, he was listed as the Y receiver, which is the TE). Even with the guys we have this year, why can't we throw the ball over the middle? I saw us do it once in the Hamilton game and about had a heart attack.

[#56tigerdad]

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out our passing game. Your QB is 4 inches shorter then your shortest lineman. He must sprint out to see the field. We have gotten pressure from the ends all year. I guess if a defensive coordinator blitzes from the outside he has a 50-50 chance of running right into the QB. We have to figure out a better way to protect him with a FB or TE.

[jeroe]

Ok some comments here are on point. No throws over the middle is killing this team, and poor protection on the edge is even worse. But lets look a little deeper. More concerning is the failure to use more kids. Where is Turner and why is he not sparing Gamble to help keep him a little fresher? Is he not ready? Does this team really not have a capable back or safety to take some snaps?

Also props go to Coach Stacey in many areas but this game was by far the worst game day coaching in his tenure. We are inside the Mentor 30 and run 4 or 5 plays in a row no Gamble. This is crazy! In addition I believe there were multiple series were we attempt to pass on first down and if not successful we concede the run on offense and resort to only passing!

Turnovers have been a problem. 3 turnovers in the last two weeks on the opposing teams side of the 50 is a bad trend. These are drive killers. Lets just forget about the Moeller game! How do we not adjust to stop the RB/QB draw plays?

Last anyone who implies our QB is not tough has gone mad! The kid has been a rock and is taking pounding. He is one tough dude and deserves respect from everyone.

[Benchboss1]

I have been wanting to post something about Turner not being on the field as a running back for a few weeks now. When we line Gamble up in the backfield with a typical fullback, EVERYBODY in the stadium knows who is getting the ball 99% of the time.
I would love to see us put more of our weapons on the field at the same time. Line Gamble up in the slot, where by the way, he is virtually uncoverable by a linebacker or safety, Herring at fullback, and Turner as the tailback. Using that formation for part of a game would cause the defense to actually wonder who is getting the ball and whether or not we are going to throw the ball or run it. Thoughts?

[Attack From Mars]

I'd be happy just to see a couple toss sweeps. The only time we go outside is when the RB is forced to go outside. It's just off tackle, counter and up the middle all night long. I know we have the speed to get to the corner.

[chumly]

Ok some comments here are on point. No throws over the middle is killing this team, and poor protection on the edge is even worse. But lets look a little deeper. More concerning is the failure to use more kids. Where is Turner and why is he not sparing Gamble to help keep him a little fresher? Is he not ready? Does this team really not have a capable back or safety to take some snaps?

Also props go to Coach Stacey in many areas but this game was by far the worst game day coaching in his tenure. We are inside the Mentor 30 and run 4 or 5 plays in a row no Gamble. This is crazy! In addition I believe there were multiple series were we attempt to pass on first down and if not successful we concede the run on offense and resort to only passing!

Turnovers have been a problem. 3 turnovers in the last two weeks on the opposing teams side of the 50 is a bad trend. These are drive killers. Lets just forget about the Moeller game! How do we not adjust to stop the RB/QB draw plays?

Last anyone who implies our QB is not tough has gone mad! The kid has been a rock and is taking pounding. He is one tough dude and deserves respect from everyone.

Yes he does! Huth WILL get the ball there and then some - he's made some pretty good throws with somone bearing down or in the process of getting hit. And, could someone on this forum please go out and put some pads on and take a snap from center, roll out and concentrate on making a throw down field when you know someone from your backside who is 6 inches taller and 80 lbs heavier than you is about to hit you (again). Go ahead, make my day:cool2:

Oh, there's no doubt that they better figure some things out quick 'cause every DC of every team we play down the road is watchin' film of Massillon and gonna keep doin what they're doin til we stop em.

ALL of us are behind the Tigers 100% right? Or, are we asking the team to give 100% and we'll give a little less as fans because we're 3-2 and not firing on all cylinders?

[longtimefirsttime]

ALL of us are behind the Tigers 100% right? Or, are we asking the team to give 100% and we'll give a little less as fans because we're 3-2 and not firing on all cylinders?


100%

[DAWGH8R]

100%

110% THE LAST 3 WEEKS !!!:gogogo:

[daringone]

It's not that Bobby doesn't have enough time to throw, it's that he has NO time to throw. I watched it against Hamilton, and again vs. Mentor. There was a guy coming unblocked from one side or the other virtually every pass play. I don't know if this is a blitz, or if our tackle is just getting beat that bad on the end every play. Against Hamilton it seemed as though they'd bring it when we were running a two receiver set with both receivers on the same side. It'd come off the opposite side every time.

We *must* find an answer for this, or it's going to be a long season for Bobby.

[xtiger]

It's not that Bobby doesn't have enough time to throw, it's that he has NO time to throw.
We *must* find an answer for this, or it's going to be a long season for Bobby.

AND the Tigers!

[MassFan3]

even if huth gets time to see the field he can`t. he`s so small he can`t stand in the pocket he must roll out to see down field and that is a big weakness.


Edited - Name calling - Poster is banned for three days.

[Fats]

I have been wanting to post something about Turner not being on the field as a running back for a few weeks now. When we line Gamble up in the backfield with a typical fullback, EVERYBODY in the stadium knows who is getting the ball 99% of the time.
I would love to see us put more of our weapons on the field at the same time. Line Gamble up in the slot, where by the way, he is virtually uncoverable by a linebacker or safety, Herring at fullback, and Turner as the tailback. Using that formation for part of a game would cause the defense to actually wonder who is getting the ball and whether or not we are going to throw the ball or run it. Thoughts?

I would like to see that.

[MTcheer18]

It's not that Bobby doesn't have enough time to throw, it's that he has NO time to throw. I watched it against Hamilton, and again vs. Mentor. There was a guy coming unblocked from one side or the other virtually every pass play. I don't know if this is a blitz, or if our tackle is just getting beat that bad on the end every play. Against Hamilton it seemed as though they'd bring it when we were running a two receiver set with both receivers on the same side. It'd come off the opposite side every time.

We *must* find an answer for this, or it's going to be a long season for Bobby.


ya for sure ... this is right on the nose-- its wayy too much work for bobby to have to run from the other teams defensive players. like in the mentor game, when we were @ their 20 bobby had to run arround with the ball for like 3 plays in a row... that is just reduculous (sp?)!! This is a sure fire way to lose. The Tiger O-line needs to step it up tomorrow! PROTECT BOBBY!:gogogo: