Sabathia to Brewers for minor leaguers

[mToWn19]

Sabathia to Brewers for minor leaguers

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3475667

[ReineyKicker15]

Way to go Cleveland. Get rid of one of the best pitchers in the league for unproven players. They could of actually got something for him too. I guess that's why as Cleveland fans we always have our hearts broken.

[Paul Brown]

Way to go Cleveland. Get rid of one of the best pitchers in the league for unproven players. They could of actually got something for him too. I guess that's why as Cleveland fans we always have our hearts broken.

Yeah.. I'd hate to get another Sizemore and Phillips for a Colon type deal. It never works out!

[howard roark]

Just like when we traded Joe Carter and gotta a couple of stiffs like Baerga and Sandy Alomar....sheesh:doh:

[caseybaby]

Grady work out he leading in a.l. in homeruns right now...he should be named to alstar team...

but comeone not even a top prospect...what was mark thinking on that

[Al.]

Way to go Cleveland. Get rid of one of the best pitchers in the league for unproven players. They could of actually got something for him too. I guess that's why as Cleveland fans we always have our hearts broken.

Just like when they waited for Manny to sign, and didn't get anything when he went as a free agent to Boston.

[caseybaby]

sorry about the typos i am just so tick off on the trade i hit submit before i proof read it

[crazysob04]

laporta is in the top 3 of the brewers farm system. i'd really like the deal if we can get their SS as well. both are on the huntsville (AA) roster.

[ReineyKicker15]

Yeah.. I'd hate to get another Sizemore and Phillips for a Colon type deal. It never works out!

Not saying these guys aren't gonna work out. I just think they could of done a lot better. Top 3 in the Brewers farm syestem doesn't cut it. Get the top guy or don't make the deal. The guy is one of the best if not the best pitcher in the league.

[TigerDL71]

Way to go Cleveland. Get rid of one of the best pitchers in the league for unproven players. They could of actually got something for him too. I guess that's why as Cleveland fans we always have our hearts broken.

Best pitcher in the league based off of what? It looks like to me that Lee is the best pitcher in the AL this season. C.C. is too inconsistent to give him the type of money that he wants. The brewers aren't willing to offer their short stop or third basemen because they know at the end of the season they can't afford to sign C.C. I think they could have gotten more for C.C. but I am just glad they finally got rid of him. Now they can take the extra money and sign a big free agent in the off season or sign Lee or someone else to a big long term contract. But knowing our owner he might just pocket the money. All I can say is it is about time they got rid of C.C. too late in my opinion though.

[ReineyKicker15]

Best pitcher in the league based off of what? It looks like to me that Lee is the best pitcher in the AL this season. C.C. is too inconsistent to give him the type of money that he wants. The brewers aren't willing to offer their short stop or third basemen because they know at the end of the season they can't afford to sign C.C. I think they could have gotten more for C.C. but I am just glad they finally got rid of him. Now they can take the extra money and sign a big free agent in the off season or sign Lee or someone else to a big long term contract. But knowing our owner he might just pocket the money. All I can say is it is about time they got rid of C.C. too late in my opinion though.

How bout based on the fact that he was the Cy Young award winner last year. I guess they give that to just anybody.

[shortbev]

and so cleveland continues as the top level of the farm teams in baseball...to call them professional is an insult to other teams who are in contention for the pennant...

we get these guys who show promise...develope them and then, trade them away...in the guise of getting better...what a load of crap...the heartache continues...

and the browns, bengals, and reds are not much better...


SAD
SAD
SAD

[Paul Brown]

we get these guys who show promise...develope them and then, trade them away...in the guise of getting better...what a load of crap...the heartache continues...




If you don't have the money to keep up with the big boys, that's what will happen.

[DAWGH8R]

How bout based on the fact that he was the Cy Young award winner last year. I guess they give that to just anybody.

These hardly look like the numbers of a Cy Young winner !!


--------------starts--------W/L record--------------ERA

C. Sabathia (L) 18 -----------6-8 -------------------3.83

Maybe his fatazz should take baseball and off-season training a little more serious.

[TigerCoach]

Yeah.. I'd hate to get another Sizemore and Phillips for a Colon type deal. It never works out!

Don't forget, they also got Cliff Lee in this Colon deal. 3 All-Stars for 1 pretty good pitcher at the time. By the way, is Colon still playing, or has he eaten himself out of baseball?

[CarlE]

How bout based on the fact that he was the Cy Young award winner last year. I guess they give that to just anybody.

Very rarely is the Cy Young Award given to the best pitcher in baseball. Do you REALLY think lard-ass was better than Josh Beckett last year? If so, stick to the football threads.

By the way. How are the Rays doing this year? Oh nevermind. I already know.

[jbones]

The Indians to my knowledge made an offers to C.C in spring training which was around 18 million dollars a year and it was a 4yr 72 million extension, the 18 million a year is what Halladay,Peavy,and Zambrano are making. He doesnt deserve to make more than that, even though he did win the Cy Young last year.C.C had full intensions on testing the free agent market and make more than Johan Santana, C.C is just like any of the other big name guys that leave Cleveland they wanna cash the bank and make more money than ever. In my opinion the MLB needs to make a structure salary cap like the NFL and NBA and make it an even playing field.

Regards to the trade i think what the brewers offered was the best that the Indians could get from any team. The brewers are in the position to make a seroius run at the NL Central and needed a starting pitcher for the stretch run. So they arent entitled to try and resign CC they are just renting him for the rest of the season. I look for Matt Laporta the 1st round pick of the 2007 draft of the brewers to provide a right handed corner outfieleder power bat in the indians line up for years to come.

[Kamd50]

Savvy Brewers turn prospects into ace Sabathiaby Ken Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since Aug. 2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX.

The C.C. Sabathia trade is the latest, greatest proof.
In baseball's new-world order, prospects are power...........................
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8319678?MSNHPHMA

[TigerBuckeye313]

I'm glad we got something out of him. He was gone at the end of the season anyway...

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Cleveland hasn't been right since Boston exposed them to be a soft bunch in last season's American League Championship Series.

And they still lack the potent of being tough.

Ladies and gentlemen, with the Sabathia trade, the Indians have officially packed it in for 2008.

[ReineyKicker15]

These hardly look like the numbers of a Cy Young winner !!


--------------starts--------W/L record--------------ERA

C. Sabathia (L) 18 -----------6-8 -------------------3.83

Maybe his fatazz should take baseball and off-season training a little more serious.


Numbers haventbeen great this year, cleveland also isn't hitting the ball so that's gonna hurt the win/loss ratio. He did have a slow start to the season this year but has been pitching good as of late.

As far as thinking CC was better than Beckett last year I don't. If you notice in my post i've made i've said "ONE" of the best pitchers

[TigerDL71]

Don't forget, they also got Cliff Lee in this Colon deal. 3 All-Stars for 1 pretty good pitcher at the time. By the way, is Colon still playing, or has he eaten himself out of baseball?

Colon is on the DL for the Boston Red Soxs. He looked good his first few starts for Boston but then last two struggled then went on the DL.


As regards to C.C. winning the Cy young last year, C.C. didn't even have the most wins on the team ( Fausto) and Josh Beckett could have easily won it last year as well. So calling him even the best pitcher last year is debatable, just depends on what stats you want to look at. C.C. is too inconsistent to call him the best pitcher in the league.

[MTigers006]

I'm glad we got something out of him. He was gone at the end of the season anyway...

Excellent Point !

[jbones]

More about the prospects that the Indians have gotten in return for C.C:

Matt LaPorta

.288 Avg 20 HR 66 RBI's 22 2B's .576 Slugging Percentage(excellent) and a .402 On Base Percentage

He plays both Left and Right field and plays 1st Base. I look for him to play first if Garko doesn't pan out.

Zack Jackson LHP:

Too me he was just a pitcher added to get more depth in their starting pitching staff and he has some major league experience. Im not gonna put his stats up because they arent very good

Ron Bryson LHP:

Potential Closer of the future. Throws up to 95 mph. He's 20 years old
Struck out 70 batters in 55 innings for Single A this year. Has a 4.25 ERA but opponents are batting just .209 off him. I look for him to impact the Indians in about maybe 2 years.


Player To Be Named Later:

Now there are three players that the Indians can chose from to get and they are very important to the deal.

Taylor Green 3rd/2nd Single A
.295 Avg 10 HR 55 RBI 15 2B 42 BB 42 K's

Mike Brantley CF Double A
.324 AVG 4 HR 34 RBI's 14 2B 25 SB 4 CS
- more of a speed than power guy can play all three outfield positions

Lorenzo Cain 11 | OF Double A

.280 Avg 7 HR 41 RBi 19 SB 22 2B's 4 3B's
- He is also like Brantley

From what I have shown to me it looks like the Indians got a good deal, but we may or may not know till 2 years from now whether at least 3 of the players that they get from this trade make an impact to the team. This to me is the best deal that the indians could have gotten from any other team. I look for the indians to keep trading players that dont look to be in the future

[ReineyKicker15]

The team is ready to win NOW if they are healthy. For god sakes we we're one game away from the series last year. We don't need guys that can help us in 3 years we need guys that are ready to help us next year 2009

[TigerDL71]

The team is ready to win NOW if they are healthy. For god sakes we we're one game away from the series last year. We don't need guys that can help us in 3 years we need guys that are ready to help us next year 2009

This team will be ready to win when Dolan is no longer the owner of the team. The Indians are looking to lower their payroll next season. Dolan has said in the past that he can only justify spending more money if their are fans in the stands. Will someone please inform Dolan that in order to get fans in the stands and make money that he has to be willing to go out and spend first? I thought that it was a simple concept but i guess not with him.

[TigerCoach]

This team will be ready to win when Dolan is no longer the owner of the team. The Indians are looking to lower their payroll next season. Dolan has said in the past that he can only justify spending more money if their are fans in the stands. Will someone please inform Dolan that in order to get fans in the stands and make money that he has to be willing to go out and spend first? I thought that it was a simple concept but i guess not with him.

I don't agree with that. It's winning games that put people in their seats. It doesn't matter what the payroll is if you don't win games. How many times do you see the higher payroll teams not making the playoffs (NY, LA, Chicago)? It happens a lot. Last year, the Colorado Rockies didn't have a big payroll and made it to the World Series. How about the Mets? Spending a lot of money for mediocrity.

In baseball, there is not that much difference in talent. Sure, there are a handful of "superstars", but after that select bunch, the talent is fairly equal. Paying a pitcher $20M a year for 18 wins isn't worth it when you have guys who win 15-16 games making 1/4 of that salary. The game is also a business and you need to make business decisions. It's easy to spend other people's money sometimes.

I think the trade was a good one for the Indians, and most people feel the same. Now we will see if CC was true about sayiing how he loves Cleveland this winter when he's a free agent. Difference is, the Indiand now have more leverage to get him back at their price, not his.

[LLRose]

I stopped really caring about the Indians when they didn't resign Manny.

The best right handed hitter in 20-30 years and you don't resign him? That was all I needed to see.

I have better things to do in the summer than follow a flawed product where ownership is in over their head.

[TigerCoach]

I stopped really caring about the Indians when they didn't resign Manny.

The best right handed hitter in 20-30 years and you don't resign him? That was all I needed to see.

I have better things to do in the summer than follow a flawed product where ownership is in over their head.

I believe they could have offered Manny $30M per year and 2 virgins/month and he would have left for a bigger city and market.

[CarlE]

I have better things to do in the summer than follow a flawed product where ownership is in over their head.

I've been doing it for many years. LOL. FINALLY it's starting to pay off here in St. Pete. GO RAYS!!!

[MTigers006]

More about the prospects that the Indians have gotten in return for C.C:

Matt LaPorta

.288 Avg 20 HR 66 RBI's 22 2B's .576 Slugging Percentage(excellent) and a .402 On Base Percentage

He plays both Left and Right field and plays 1st Base. I look for him to play first if Garko doesn't pan out.

Zack Jackson LHP:

Too me he was just a pitcher added to get more depth in their starting pitching staff and he has some major league experience. Im not gonna put his stats up because they arent very good

Ron Bryson LHP:

Potential Closer of the future. Throws up to 95 mph. He's 20 years old
Struck out 70 batters in 55 innings for Single A this year. Has a 4.25 ERA but opponents are batting just .209 off him. I look for him to impact the Indians in about maybe 2 years.


Player To Be Named Later:

Now there are three players that the Indians can chose from to get and they are very important to the deal.

Taylor Green 3rd/2nd Single A
.295 Avg 10 HR 55 RBI 15 2B 42 BB 42 K's

Mike Brantley CF Double A
.324 AVG 4 HR 34 RBI's 14 2B 25 SB 4 CS
- more of a speed than power guy can play all three outfield positions

Lorenzo Cain 11 | OF Double A

.280 Avg 7 HR 41 RBi 19 SB 22 2B's 4 3B's
- He is also like Brantley

From what I have shown to me it looks like the Indians got a good deal, but we may or may not know till 2 years from now whether at least 3 of the players that they get from this trade make an impact to the team. This to me is the best deal that the indians could have gotten from any other team. I look for the indians to keep trading players that dont look to be in the future

Sounds to me they are making plans for being without Hafner also.

[TigerDL71]

I don't agree with that. It's winning games that put people in their seats. It doesn't matter what the payroll is if you don't win games. How many times do you see the higher payroll teams not making the playoffs (NY, LA, Chicago)? It happens a lot. Last year, the Colorado Rockies didn't have a big payroll and made it to the World Series. How about the Mets? Spending a lot of money for mediocrity.

In baseball, there is not that much difference in talent. Sure, there are a handful of "superstars", but after that select bunch, the talent is fairly equal. Paying a pitcher $20M a year for 18 wins isn't worth it when you have guys who win 15-16 games making 1/4 of that salary. The game is also a business and you need to make business decisions. It's easy to spend other people's money sometimes.

I think the trade was a good one for the Indians, and most people feel the same. Now we will see if CC was true about sayiing how he loves Cleveland this winter when he's a free agent. Difference is, the Indiand now have more leverage to get him back at their price, not his.




I will agree that winning will put fans in the stands. However, I also think that not just wins will always put fans in the stands. Look at the Cubs or Red Soxs for instance. When is the last time the Cubs won a world series? They were horrible for a while and people still came to the game just to see Wrigley Field, same with Boston, yeah they have won a lot lately but people will go to the games just to see Fenway park. You have to put something on the field that people will want to see. The Indians don't have that player, Grady Sizemore is the only thing close that will pull people to the ballpark to watch a game. Look at the Giants, they were awful the last 2 seasons but people came to watch Mr. Steriods himself. Now the only thing that the Indians have to draw people to the park is their promotional schedule and who they are playing. I know I am planning on going to the game Thursday to see the young upstart Rays. Point is, Dolan is not willing to give Shaprio the money he needs to make this club successful and win games. I think Dolan is cheap in the way he invests in the team and into the fans and until he is willing to give Shaprio the money he needs then this team will never be able to reach its potential.

[TigerCoach]

Cleveland also doesn't have the population (higher demand to see baseball) as Boston and Chicago. If Cleveland had 2 million people, the stadium would be full every night.

[mToWn19]

Indians are 15th in salary with 79 million, if they would of signed CC would of been in the 90 mills easy.

[TigerDL71]

Cleveland also doesn't have the population (higher demand to see baseball) as Boston and Chicago. If Cleveland had 2 million people, the stadium would be full every night.

You have to consider that there are two teams in Chicago, and yes the Chi Soxs are in first place, and the BoSoxs have to compete with the Yanks and Mets for fans, if you put Wrigley or Fenway in Cleveland people will go just because of the stadium.

Indians are 15th in salary with 79 million, if they would of signed CC would of been in the 90 mills easy.

The Indians also have one of the highest operating margins in baseball. Ranked 4th in the league.

[jbones]

To me im glad to see C.C leave becuase i rather spend the 20 million they were gonna pay C.C for a couple of good players in the off-season. Plus we can get a real good pitcher in this year's free agent class. We knew after spring training that CC wasnt gonna be sign with us. It's not really his fault because his agent and the player's association wants him to get as much money as possible so that the next big name pitcher can get more than him. The MLB needs to figure out a way in giving players the maximum money they can get for a contract. He made 13 million this year, that should be enough. It's good to have free agency, but they need to get rid of the arbitation, which is, basically if someone like David Delucci has a .300avg year and hes makin like 300k the next year he would make 4 to 5 million just because he had a good year. Players like him shouldnt make that much because if you see what they do after the or before the .300avg year they suck. Thats what stinks about the way baseball does thier business. Also it doesnt matter about the size of your payroll because look at the yankees this year they arent doin good, look at the dodgers they are barely over .500 . Every single team has the talent to be good, its just sometimes you are goin to have a bad season or two, it takes more than one player such as CC that makes a team good.

[LLRose]

I believe they could have offered Manny $30M per year and 2 virgins/month and he would have left for a bigger city and market.

Why do you believe that?

I see no evidence in off the field income that has resulted from him going to a larger market.

His only benefit has been championships, players don't care about championships, they care about on and off field income (IMO). This is driven by their agents and union.

[LLRose]

Every single team has the talent to be good, its just sometimes you are goin to have a bad season or two, it takes more than one player such as CC that makes a team good.

The mediocre Indians starting day line-up of:

LF Delluchi/Michaels
RF Guitierrez
3B Blake
1B Garko

You have a team with a lack of power at the corner positions and expect to contend year after year. The lack of power ultimately leads to limited run production.

The season was over before it started. Mix in the injuries and we had NO chance this year.

[jbones]

I agree with three of the players that you have put up there , but Casey Blake is havin one of the best seasons of his career. He's batting .283 he has one of the best averages with runners in scoring position in the whole entire league. No one expected Garko to do as poorly as he has this year. last year he batted .289 in his first full season at first. this year he just has been pullin off of pitches and hasnt made any adjustments at the plate. And delluchi and Gut just stink and shouldnt even be on the team anymore. Every team in the MLB have players that are not good. Someone name me one lineup that has everyone hittin over .250-.260 if any there would prolly be one team. It takes all 25 players to make a team go, if one guy doesnt pick it up, he should be able to count on his other teammates to pick him up. The problem with the Indians is that no one is picking anyone up and they cant hit or keep a lead.