Massillon firefighter cited for DUI; gun, drugs found in vehicle

[obie7661]

Massillon firefighter cited for DUI; gun, drugs found in vehicle

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=419389&Category=15&subCategoryID=0

[Indiana95]

What an idiot!

[dataintsmiff]

It seems that you may be right on this one Indiana. I would like to think that there could be some explanation for this, but the more I think about it the less likely that is the case.

[massillon catholic]

I would like to think that there could be some explanation for this

Fat chance!

[dataintsmiff]

Don't be too hasty there now! He's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I understand that he is employed by the FD, but he is still a citizen and deserves his day in court. There might be a legitimate excuse for him having a weapon, i.e., a concealed carry permit.

[5starred]

ok give ya the concealed weapon
What about DUI and drugs is there a license for those also?

[Paul Brown]

Don't give him the CCP. You're not allowed carrying a gun while intoxicated so there goes that out the window.

[fyrewood]

Paul is a friend of mine and is a very good guy. He is human like the rest of us and yes he had a few beers on the 4th of July. He stopped drinking hours before he drove and to everyone (including me) he appeared completely sober.

Can't say much else as I don't want to say anything that would hurt his court case, but yes he had a concealed carry license. The pistol was in a locked compartment and when he got pulled over, he forgot to notify the officer that it was in the vehicle (not on his person). Not notifying is an automatic felony. It is such a stupid law that it was just changed to only be a misdemeanor, but the new law doesn't take effect until September.

As for the "drugs". They were prescription medications owned by another friend of ours who has chronic back problems. Instead of carrying all of his pills around with him, he just puts what he needs for the day in a container and brings that with him. He forgot to take them out of Paul's truck when he got dropped off. So before you judge,there's no big criminal activity going on there. Other than a few beers now and then, Paul won't even take cough syrup when he's sick.

Yes he blew a .09, that's close enough to be from an inaccurate breathylizer ('smiff if I'm wrong please correct me)

He got pulled over at 32nd St NW, 2 blocks from his house after turning onto Lincolnway from Kenyon. The State Highway Patrolman's reason for pulling him over was for an improper turn. From what I understand, he said that Paul didn't stay in the same lane he had turned from, ie: from Kenyon, turning into the fast lane of Lincolnway. Paul supposedly turned from Kenyon into the slow lane of Lincolnway......Sounds like the officer was on a fishing expedition to see what he could find to me. As I said, Paul is a good guy and is taking responsibility for blowing the .09 and will do what he needs to do, but the rest is all BS if you ask me.

[dataintsmiff]

Like I said before. Innocent until proven guilty! I'm sure there is more to the story than anyone else here knows. Fyrewood, the DataMaster is calibrated on a weekly basis so that probably won't fly. As for the fishing expedition, that could be, but it is the State Patrol's job to patrol our highways and enforce traffic laws. Most of the ones I deal with are professional and do a good job. Hopefully he gets through this and gets back to work. A lesson needs to be learned here though. Watch out for who you let ride in your vehicle and what they may leave behind.

[fyrewood]

'smiff, meant no direspect to law enforcement meant with the "fishing expedition" comment, just seemed like what he initially pulled him over for was awfully petty.

Thanks for the info on the DataMaster. Paul knows he made a mistake. It just gets me that there are people out there all over that hang in bars nightly, get drunk and drive home without ever getting caught and Paul doesn't even hang out in bars and gets popped the one time he is out celebrating the 4th.

[Paul Brown]

Sounds like he was just unlucky that night fyre.. Also.. if anyones ever had a couple beers, weren't drunk, but drove.. chances are u were at or above .09 also so keep that in mind.

[CarlE]

Sounds like he was just unlucky that night fyre.. Also.. if anyones ever had a couple beers, weren't drunk, but drove.. chances are u were at or above .09 also so keep that in mind.

Couldn't agree more. This .08 BS is for the birds. I PROMISE you that people that have a few beers aren't impaired at .08. But let the zealot Bible-thumpers get on here now and tell us different.

[MTigers006]

I dont even know Captain Harbaugh, But I will say that I will give him the benefit of the doubt and do as everyone should do and let it up to the judge to decide. Untill then im going to give Captain Harbaugh my full support. Everyone makes mistakes and I believe Fyrewood. He wouldn't lie. Not about something as serious as this.

[dataintsmiff]

'smiff, meant no direspect to law enforcement meant with the "fishing expedition" comment, just seemed like what he initially pulled him over for was awfully petty.

Thanks for the info on the DataMaster. Paul knows he made a mistake. It just gets me that there are people out there all over that hang in bars nightly, get drunk and drive home without ever getting caught and Paul doesn't even hang out in bars and gets popped the one time he is out celebrating the 4th.

I know you didn't mean it that way. I was only saying as petty is it may sound, its the law. And yes, you need to be careful when consuming alcohol at any function. My rule is if I'm going to drink, I get a ride! My support is with him in this and I hope everything works out for him.

[massillon catholic]

Boy, I sure wish you innocent til proven guilty people were on my jury. lol

[obie7661]

Couldn't agree more. This .08 BS is for the birds. I PROMISE you that people that have a few beers aren't impaired at .08. But let the zealot Bible-thumpers get on here now and tell us different.

...The BAC of .008 is the point at which the fatal crash risk significantly increases and virtually everyone is seriously impaired. At that point, all critical driving skills - braking, steering, lane changing, judgment and response time - are affected. The risk of a driver dying in a crash at .008 BAC is at least 11 times that of drivers without alcohol in their system. That's why driving with a BAC of .008 or higher is illegal in every state....

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/121106/letters_20061211004.shtml

[massillon catholic]

...The BAC of .008 is the point at which the fatal crash risk significantly increases and virtually everyone is seriously impaired. At that point, all critical driving skills - braking, steering, lane changing, judgment and response time - are affected. The risk of a driver dying in a crash at .008 BAC is at least 11 times that of drivers without alcohol in their system. That's why driving with a BAC of .008 or higher is illegal in every state....

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/121106/letters_20061211004.shtml

I've seen drivers with handicap stickers in their windows that are more impaired than someone with an .08 BAC.

[CarlE]

I've seen drivers with handicap stickers in their windows that are more impaired than someone with an .08 BAC.

Amen, my brother.

[obie7661]

I've seen drivers with handicap stickers in their windows that are more impaired than someone with an .08 BAC.

Then they also should be off the road. I don't want anyone in in anyone's family killed because of something that can be prevented.

[Paul Brown]

...The BAC of .008 is the point at which the fatal crash risk significantly increases and virtually everyone is seriously impaired. At that point, all critical driving skills - braking, steering, lane changing, judgment and response time - are affected. The risk of a driver dying in a crash at .008 BAC is at least 11 times that of drivers without alcohol in their system. That's why driving with a BAC of .008 or higher is illegal in every state....

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/121106/letters_20061211004.shtml

First off, I discredit any article that has wrong information... it's .08 not .008. Secondly, it was changed from .1 to .08 in 2004 for one reason.... you can catch a hell of a lot more casual drinkers at .08 than at .1. More DUI's = more money. So all of a sudden you're impaired at .08 when for years you weren't? Give me a break.

[obie7661]

First off, I discredit any article that has wrong information... it's .08 not .008. Secondly, it was changed from .1 to .08 in 2004 for one reason.... you can catch a hell of a lot more casual drinkers at .08 than at .1. More DUI's = more money. So all of a sudden you're impaired at .08 when for years you weren't? Give me a break.

It's .008.

Whatever you believe you believe. But I personally am glad they lowered the bar (no pun intended) to .008.

Also, unless a person is the size of a Ballerina, a couple of drinks won't put them over the limit.

A person that blows a .008 is more than a casual drinker. Here's the chart:

http://www.drunkdrivingdefense.com/general/bac-comparison-over-time.htm

[Paul Brown]

It's .008.

:wall:

[Paul Brown]

If it was .008 and you smelled some alcohol out of a bottle, you'd be legally impaired. It's .08

[massillon catholic]

First off, I discredit any article that has wrong information... it's .08 not .008. Secondly, it was changed from .1 to .08 in 2004 for one reason.... you can catch a hell of a lot more casual drinkers at .08 than at .1. More DUI's = more money. So all of a sudden you're impaired at .08 when for years you weren't? Give me a break.

Its all about the money.

[massillon catholic]

.08

[obie7661]

.08

You and PB are right on the .08.

[obie7661]

Its all about the money.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

From what I read, more lives have been saved since they lowered it to .08.

[DAWGH8R]

I quit drinking 22 years ago. Fortunately, I never received a DUI, but could have many times.

I saw too many friends and FAMILY killed due to alcohol related accidents.

After my 22nd birthday, I only drank one time. It was my bachelor party, (12 years ago), and a time to celebrate.

I've always had the BEST time when I go out, even without alcohol. I'm a big hit with my entourage, cuz they know they ALWAYS have a designated driver.

I had a BLAST when I used to drink, and think that everyone is able to make their own decisions with their lives. My 'bloodline' has never been real good with alcohol, so after the destruction I saw, it was time to put up the bottle.

This is just one of those reminders for everyone to BE CAREFUL !! :angel:

[dataintsmiff]

Its .08...You can still be charged and convicted of OVI (Operating a Vehicle Intoxicated) if you test under .08. The level of someone's impairment is not just measured in what he/ she blows on the breath machine. It's alot of things, including the way you were operating when stopped, up to and including how you perform on Standard Field Sobriety Tests. If you're gonna drink, and I, like may of you, love my beer, get a sober person to bring you home. Everyone is much better off when we all practice that way. For me its easy right now as my wife is pregnant and I have a free ride for the next nine months!!!

[dataintsmiff]

I quit drinking 22 years ago. Fortunately, I never received a DUI, but could have many times.

I saw too many friends and FAMILY killed due to alcohol related accidents.

After my 22nd birthday, I only drank one time. It was my bachelor party, (12 years ago), and a time to celebrate.

I've always had the BEST time when I go out, even without alcohol. I'm a big hit with my entourage, cuz they know they ALWAYS have a designated driver.

I had a BLAST when I used to drink, and think that everyone is able to make their own decisions with their lives. My 'bloodline' has never been real good with alcohol, so after the destruction I saw, it was time to put up the bottle.

This is just one of those reminders for everyone to BE CAREFUL !! :angel:
Well said my man! Cheers to you! Hey, does that mean we can call you for a ride when we need to? LOL.

[shooter]

I agree, it went to .08 for the money. Slick did that to pay off his lawyer friends. He passed a federal law mandating .08 or else states would lose highway funding.

The drug charge is also a crock. It is illegal to transport any prescription medicines that are not in their prescribed containers. On the surface it is a reasonable law, but this poor guy is being crucified for his buddys' heart medication. I'll bet the drugs in question are not mind altering, or powerful pain killers.

The conceal carry law just seems like more trouble than it's worth. I go in all kinds of bad areas and I refuse to carry a gun. Just be careful, you're at more risk from the overzealous police types than the criminals.

What really pisses me of is that this guys life has been turned upside down, but the law seems unwilling to prosecute the drivers with numerous dui violations. Why go after the real crooks when the courts and lawyers can get much more by going after decent citizens?

[dataintsmiff]

And what exactly are these overzealous police types you are speaking about?

[Al.]

Boy, I sure wish you innocent til proven guilty people were on my jury. lol


In your case most of the jury saw you do the crime :poke:

[dataintsmiff]

In your case most of the jury saw you do the crime :poke:

:lol: Now that's funny!

[caseybaby]

first of all if this was just average jo/jane citizen who would care...it just that it is being made a bigger deal because he is a capt on the fd...if it was me and i blew just a .09 i would of said i want a blood achol..done at the hospital right then also i think it is your legal right to have that done as well i do believe...correct me if i am wrong on it but i think you have that right???

[Paul Brown]

first of all if this was just average jo/jane citizen who would care...it just that it is being made a bigger deal because he is a capt on the fd...if it was me and i blew just a .09 i would of said i want a blood achol..done at the hospital right then also i think it is your legal right to have that done as well i do believe...correct me if i am wrong on it but i think you have that right???

You're not 21 are you? If you blew a .07 you'd still be in trouble :)

[dataintsmiff]

You're not 21 are you? If you blew a .07 you'd still be in trouble :)

If she is under 21 and blew anything she would be charged. And yes, you have the right to have a blood test done, at your own expense, however, blood tests almost always come back higher than breath tests.

[Paul Brown]

If she is under 21 and blew anything she would be charged.

That was my point.

[massillon catholic]

In your case most of the jury saw you do the crime :poke:


Then they shouldnt have been on the jury.

[dataintsmiff]

That was my point.

Glad to know.

[dataintsmiff]

Then they shouldnt have been on the jury.

Good point.

[Indiana95]

Paul is a friend of mine and is a very good guy. He is human like the rest of us and yes he had a few beers on the 4th of July. He stopped drinking hours before he drove and to everyone (including me) he appeared completely sober.

Can't say much else as I don't want to say anything that would hurt his court case, but yes he had a concealed carry license. The pistol was in a locked compartment and when he got pulled over, he forgot to notify the officer that it was in the vehicle (not on his person). Not notifying is an automatic felony. It is such a stupid law that it was just changed to only be a misdemeanor, but the new law doesn't take effect until September.

As for the "drugs". They were prescription medications owned by another friend of ours who has chronic back problems. Instead of carrying all of his pills around with him, he just puts what he needs for the day in a container and brings that with him. He forgot to take them out of Paul's truck when he got dropped off. So before you judge,there's no big criminal activity going on there. Other than a few beers now and then, Paul won't even take cough syrup when he's sick.

Yes he blew a .09, that's close enough to be from an inaccurate breathylizer ('smiff if I'm wrong please correct me)

He got pulled over at 32nd St NW, 2 blocks from his house after turning onto Lincolnway from Kenyon. The State Highway Patrolman's reason for pulling him over was for an improper turn. From what I understand, he said that Paul didn't stay in the same lane he had turned from, ie: from Kenyon, turning into the fast lane of Lincolnway. Paul supposedly turned from Kenyon into the slow lane of Lincolnway......Sounds like the officer was on a fishing expedition to see what he could find to me. As I said, Paul is a good guy and is taking responsibility for blowing the .09 and will do what he needs to do, but the rest is all BS if you ask me.

While it may be commendable to defend your friend, I find that his lack of judgement suspect, especially for a public safety officer. If we are to trust our police officers, it doesn't matter if he was 2 blocks or 2 miles from the house. It appears that the officer had reason to detain him and the rest is history. Sounds like he will take responsibility, which will make this whole thing go away sooner rather than later. Hopefully this won't affect his career in the fire service.

[dataintsmiff]

While it may be commendable to defend your friend, I find that his lack of judgement suspect, especially for a public safety officer. If we are to trust our police officers, it doesn't matter if he was 2 blocks or 2 miles from the house. It appears that the officer had reason to detain him and the rest is history. Sounds like he will take responsibility, which will make this whole thing go away sooner rather than later. Hopefully this won't affect his career in the fire service.

Well said!

[CarlE]

You and PB are right on the .08.

They KNEW that.

[Paul Brown]

They KNEW that.

One of these days people on here will realize I'm not wrong very often.

[CarlE]

One of these days people on here will realize I'm not wrong very often.

Just when you disagree with me, my son.

[Paul Brown]

Just when you disagree with me, my son.

That's when I can guarantee I'm right.

[hexumjunkie]

Try getting a DUI and not even being in your car.....yeah it happened to me.....then the fine MPD officer that screwed me got canned two years later for police corruption... Im glad Mr. Smith that you seem like an hoenst man. I know alot of the MPD officers and there all good guys im glad you guys got rid of the bad duck!

[massillon catholic]

Try getting a DUI and not even being in your car.....yeah it happened to me.....then the fine MPD officer that screwed me got canned two years later for police corruption... Im glad Mr. Smith that you seem like an hoenst man. I know alot of the MPD officers and there all good guys im glad you guys got rid of the bad duck!

Now, there has to be a little more to the story.

[Paul Brown]

Now, there has to be a little more to the story.

He fell out of the car as he pulled out of the bars parking lot. He forgot to shut his door.

[hexumjunkie]

he Fell Out Of The Car As He Pulled Out Of The Bars Parking Lot. He Forgot To Shut His Door.

I Wish....he Was Just A Crooked Cop. Just Looking To Be On A Power Trip. Another Officer Who Pulled Up Wanted No Part Of It. And Another Mpd Officer Actually Apoligized At The Station. Probably A Good Indication Of Why The Arresting Officier Is No Longer A Massillon Police Officer.

[Paul Brown]

Doesn't explain how you weren't in the car though.

[obie7661]

What were you cited for, hex...?

[hexumjunkie]

many people dont know this but the law in ohio states if you are capapable of operating a motor vehicle and your close by with your keys being in your pocket you can be arrested for dui. the cop has to be a real dick to do this...but it can happen and does happen.

[dataintsmiff]

Try getting a DUI and not even being in your car.....yeah it happened to me.....then the fine MPD officer that screwed me got canned two years later for police corruption... Im glad Mr. Smith that you seem like an hoenst man. I know alot of the MPD officers and there all good guys im glad you guys got rid of the bad duck!

Thank you sir. I appreciate that post more than you will ever know. Unfortunately we are always too often judged by the actions of others. We are all not alike.

[CarlE]

many people dont know this but the law in ohio states if you are capapable of operating a motor vehicle and your close by with your keys being in your pocket you can be arrested for dui. the cop has to be a real dick to do this...but it can happen and does happen.

ANY lawyer smart enough to pass the bar exam could have gotten you out of that. That one never sticks.

[dataintsmiff]

ANY lawyer smart enough to pass the bar exam could have gotten you out of that. That one never sticks.

Although you're mostly correct, I have seen it stick before. It is very hard to get a conviction though.

[CarlE]

Although you're mostly correct, I have seen it stick before. It is very hard to get a conviction though.

Must have been an idiot lawyer.

[dataintsmiff]

Must have been an idiot lawyer.

Aren't all lawyers idiots?

[GLM]

Its .08...You can still be charged and convicted of OVI (Operating a Vehicle Intoxicated) if you test under .08. The level of someone's impairment is not just measured in what he/ she blows on the breath machine. It's alot of things, including the way you were operating when stopped, up to and including how you perform on Standard Field Sobriety Tests. If you're gonna drink, and I, like may of you, love my beer, get a sober person to bring you home. Everyone is much better off when we all practice that way. For me its easy right now as my wife is pregnant and I have a free ride for the next nine months!!!

I had nothing to do with it:jestera:

[dataintsmiff]

I had nothing to do with it:jestera:

Now that's funny!:lol:

[massillon catholic]

Aren't all lawyers idiots?

I had two lawyers. One killed himself and the other was disbarred. Does that answer your question?

[hexumjunkie]

La Dico Was An Awesome Lawyer Thou Who Pushed The Envelope........

[dataintsmiff]

I had two lawyers. One killed himself and the other was disbarred. Does that answer your question?

I'll say this about your question and then I'm done. One was a great guy and the other is an A** CLOWN!!!

[MTigers006]

http://www.indeonline.com/local_news/x2043508318/Ex-fireman-Drugs-were-his-meds

Fyrewood was telling the truth just incase noone believed him. Man you can pretty much bank on that mans word.:thumbsup:

I hope this all works out for Capt. Harbaugh. Run of bad luck I suppose. Know that there are some people out there who support you.

[Indiana95]

http://www.indeonline.com/local_news/x2043508318/Ex-fireman-Drugs-were-his-meds

Fyrewood was telling the truth just incase noone believed him. Man you can pretty much bank on that mans word.:thumbsup:

I hope this all works out for Capt. Harbaugh. Run of bad luck I suppose. Know that there are some people out there who support you.

So are you dismissing the fact that he was legally drunk while operating a motor vehicle? Also, his day in court has not arrived. Cases are not dismissed because a friend called in to give an alibi....

At the end of the day, my guess is the drugs were not his, but he was DUI. There is still a penalty to be paid, which I'm sure he will without a fight.

[fyrewood]

So are you dismissing the fact that he was legally drunk while operating a motor vehicle? Also, his day in court has not arrived. Cases are not dismissed because a friend called in to give an alibi....

At the end of the day, my guess is the drugs were not his, but he was DUI. There is still a penalty to be paid, which I'm sure he will without a fight.

Yes he was "legally" drunk thanks to politicians wanting to make more money. What's your point? Two years ago what he blew wouldn't have been anything near the legal limit. The point of MTigers post didn't say anything about the DUI part of the arrest. His point was to say that maybe, just maybe I was right about what I said about other parts of the arrest being BS and my friend isn't the big criminal that the papers and news stations made him out to be....God you're an argumentative prick. Are you that way because it's fun for you or is it just your personality?? No one can be as perfect as you....lighten up.

[Indiana95]

Yes he was "legally" drunk thanks to politicians wanting to make more money. What's your point? .

The Point: He broke the law...... which we all do, but public safety officers should be held more accountable than the rest. After all, this is an issue of judgement, which he apparently lacked.

[fyrewood]

Whatever dude. His off duty activities have never affected his judgement while on duty....It was a holiday, he was having fun, blowing off some steam and having a good time just like any other human being. He stopped drinking hours before he drove home and thought he was completely sober, we all thought he was. Apparently he still had enough in his system to blow what is now the legal limit....Like Charles Barkley once said, "I'm not here to be your role model, if you want a role model, go talk to your parents."

Public Service workers aren't super heroes. Hold them to a higher judgement if you wish, but we're human and we make mistakes just like anyone else.

[MTigers006]

So are you dismissing the fact that he was legally drunk while operating a motor vehicle? Also, his day in court has not arrived. Cases are not dismissed because a friend called in to give an alibi....

At the end of the day, my guess is the drugs were not his, but he was DUI. There is still a penalty to be paid, which I'm sure he will without a fight.

No, not dismissing the fact. Im kinda tough on that because a friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver at the young age of 30. Im also firm on the grounds of innocent untill proven guilty. Yes he did something wrong and yes he will pay for it and I agree he will set a good example by not putting up a fight.

[dataintsmiff]

Fyrewood, some people never change. Doesn't matter what you say to them. They're going to think what they think. I bet if he was as scrutinized like we are when we're off duty, he'd be singing a different tune.

[fyrewood]

Multiple local State Highway Patrol Troopers have been just recently been accused of cheating on an exam to certify they know how to use breath analysis equipment in drunken-driving arrests.

Sgt. John Hromiak of Uniontown is one of those implicated for CHEATING. He was the arresting officer in Paul Harbaugh's case.

http://www.cantonrep.com/archive/index.php?ID=421026&Category=9

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=421226&r=0&Category=9&subCategoryID=0

[GLM]

Multiple local State Highway Patrol Troopers have been just recently been accused of cheating on an exam to certify they know how to use breath analysis equipment in drunken-driving arrests.

Sgt. John Hromiak of Uniontown is one of those implicated for CHEATING. He was the arresting officer in Paul Harbaugh's case.

http://www.cantonrep.com/archive/index.php?ID=421026&Category=9

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=421226&r=0&Category=9&subCategoryID=0

so.....

[The Butler]

so.....

So, the breath test in question may not hold up in court because the Trooper that administered it may not be qualified to give said test.

[Seeker]

So, the breath test in question may not hold up in court because the Trooper that administered it may not be qualified to give said test.

Which begs the question: Since multiple other safety force officers have stated that he had stopped drinking hours before and in no way appeared inhibited...maybe he wasn't legally "just over the line" after all.

Poetic justice is a wonderful thing.

[CarlE]

Which begs the question: Since multiple other safety force officers have stated that he had stopped drinking hours before and in no way appeared inhibited...maybe he wasn't legally "just over the line" after all.

Poetic justice is a wonderful thing.

Amen. And whoever said "so" should go get some reading comprehension tutoring.

[fyrewood]

so.....

So.....It calls into question the Troopers qualification or certification to actually do a Breathylizer/ DUI test. As well as calling into question his honesty. If he can cheat at that, who's to say he doesn't do other things dishonestly while on duty.

This isn't a condemnation of all Law Enforcement on my part and I hope it didn't come off that way. I'm speaking only about the officer/officers in question. Anyone who knows me knows that many people I consider my friends are Officers. I consider them my brothers and would trust them with my life......I wouldn't trust them to watch a sandwich for me, but I'd trust them with my life LOL

[GLM]

I bet Butler and Fyrwood believes O.J. is innocent because the glove didn't fit.

See my drift, LOL :rockin:

Oh look, I made a rhyme

[GLM]

Amen. And whoever said "so" should go get some reading comprehension tutoring.

Hey, I took the three r's reed'n, riti'n, rithmatic....so there:tounge:

[dataintsmiff]

Hey, I took the three r's reed'n, riti'n, rithmatic....so there:tounge:

Hey you forgot rasslin' in there you hillbilly! LOL

[GLM]

Hey you forgot rasslin' in there you hillbilly! LOL


rasslin' is a given, I was rasslin' with the doctor when I was born :hyper: