Just wondering

[02teleprograd]

Why aren't Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help in
restoring Iowa
and helping the folks affected by the floods?

Why aren't the media asking tough questions about why the federal
government hasn't
solved the problem? Or asking where are the FEMA trucks (and trailers)?

Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in
Chicago?

Why isn't it giving them $200 vouchers that they can spend on alcohol and
vice?

When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees
that failed
in Des Moines?

Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks?

Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen
television
sets?

When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a
"vanilla"
Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?

Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of
cannibalism?

Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?

How come in a few weeks, you will rarely ever hear about the Iowa flooding again?

[3bros]

Thought provoking post........

[Red50Go]

Thought provoking post........


Very...

[bs.gunn]

Why aren't Hollywood celebrities holding telethons asking for help in
restoring Iowa
and helping the folks affected by the floods?

Why aren't the media asking tough questions about why the federal
government hasn't
solved the problem? Or asking where are the FEMA trucks (and trailers)?

Why isn't the Federal Government relocating Iowa people to free hotels in
Chicago?

Why isn't it giving them $200 vouchers that they can spend on alcohol and
vice?

When will Spike Lee say that the Federal Government blew up the levees
that failed
in Des Moines?

Where are Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks?

Where are all the looters stealing high-end tennis shoes and big screen
television
sets?

When will we hear Governor Chet Culver say that he wants to rebuild a
"vanilla"
Iowa, because that's the way God wants it?

Where is the hysterical 24/7 media coverage complete with reports of
cannibalism?

Where are the people declaring that George Bush hates white, rural people?

How come in a few weeks, you will rarely ever hear about the Iowa flooding again?

The simple answers
The people who live along the river were much more prepared for a flood. When you live along the Mississippi river I suppose that comes with the terroritory. The disaster response to the flooded areas was quick and mostly efficient. There was no 3-5 days of nothing being done. The population density and people affected (who live there) for NOLA was exponentially greater than along the Mississippi flooded areas. People mostly could escape due to it being a river and not a water locked city. Also the area isn't a lower income poverty area as opposed to NOLA which did hit those areas during the katrina flood. Oh yeah Katrina was a hurricane, much more damage going on.


Although I'm wondering why would you even bring it up? Has anyone in Iowa complained about the government and society response to the area?

This is another typical MP topic creation. Sad really. Katrina and NOLA were a completely different story than this. I'm glad you're good at posting hate emails into internet forums

1,836 deaths to Katrina
800 people missing
Over ONE MILLION displaced


Now look at Iowa
I can't find any concrete numbers, but it looks like about 20 people Died
38,000 Displaced

I hope you feel like a toolbox now

[02teleprograd]

The simple answers
The people who live along the river were much more prepared for a flood. When you live along the Mississippi river I suppose that comes with the terroritory. The disaster response to the flooded areas was quick and mostly efficient. There was no 3-5 days of nothing being done. The population density and people affected (who live there) for NOLA was exponentially greater than along the Mississippi flooded areas. People mostly could escape due to it being a river and not a water locked city. Also the area isn't a lower income poverty area as opposed to NOLA which did hit those areas during the katrina flood. Oh yeah Katrina was a hurricane, much more damage going on.


Although I'm wondering why would you even bring it up? Has anyone in Iowa complained about the government and society response to the area?

This is another typical MP topic creation. Sad really. Katrina and NOLA were a completely different story than this. I'm glad you're good at posting hate emails into internet forums

1,836 deaths to Katrina
800 people missing
Over ONE MILLION displaced


Now look at Iowa
I can't find any concrete numbers, but it looks like about 20 people Died
38,000 Displaced

I hope you feel like a toolbox now

nope.... but thanks for asking

[Red50Go]

Touche'. Also thought provoking.

No, Iowa is not complaining/rioting/looting. I think that was the point.

Our lack of infrastructure and handling of Katrina was horrible. I am not a Bush fan. But the comments by prominant figures regarding sabatoge (like the twin towers) and racism fan fires, and also offend many. This horrible flood in the bible belt heartland is an opportunity to make the point that **** happens.

[TigerBuckeye313]

The simple answers
The people who live along the river were much more prepared for a flood. When you live along the Mississippi river I suppose that comes with the terroritory. The disaster response to the flooded areas was quick and mostly efficient. There was no 3-5 days of nothing being done. The population density and people affected (who live there) for NOLA was exponentially greater than along the Mississippi flooded areas. People mostly could escape due to it being a river and not a water locked city. Also the area isn't a lower income poverty area as opposed to NOLA which did hit those areas during the katrina flood. Oh yeah Katrina was a hurricane, much more damage going on.


Although I'm wondering why would you even bring it up? Has anyone in Iowa complained about the government and society response to the area?

This is another typical MP topic creation. Sad really. Katrina and NOLA were a completely different story than this. I'm glad you're good at posting hate emails into internet forums

1,836 deaths to Katrina
800 people missing
Over ONE MILLION displaced


Now look at Iowa
I can't find any concrete numbers, but it looks like about 20 people Died
38,000 Displaced

I hope you feel like a toolbox now



It's funny how those 20 lives and the 38,000 displaced persons are insignificant in your mind. :doh:

[austinsm11]

Although I'm wondering why would you even bring it up? Has anyone in Iowa complained about the government and society response to the area?


No and I think that is the point.

[dataintsmiff]

BS you continue to amaze me with your ignorant comments and the way you just plain piss people off.

[bs.gunn]

It's funny how those 20 lives and the 38,000 displaced persons are insignificant in your mind. :doh:

Thank you but No.

My point is that Katrina and Flood in Iowa '08 are two different things. Of course those people are no insignificant in my mind. None of them are.

That's exactly the type of illogical conclusions that I expect from some of you.

No and I think that is the point.

I don't believe that was the point. I care as much for the citizens displaced and killed this year as I do those from Katrina. :wall:

[Mass6]

If you say that isn't the point then what is?? Are those in Iowa complaining? How is this situation different?? They had little warning, mother nature didn't go easy on them, and people are now homeless/injured/deceased because of it. Difference is they aren't complaining to the Govt about help, as they working to get themselves back to normal.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mass6,

You brought a thought-inspiring post here! Going back to the Katrina disaster, there is a difference here!

[bs.gunn]

Lost cause... some of you are just a lost cause

[Mass6]

Lost cause... some of you are just a lost cause

There you go. Good answer.:ohplease:

[bs.gunn]

There you go. Good answer.:ohplease:


I just don't know how to get through to some of you.
I posted some of the statistics

The government reaction to Iowa would have been the deepest of prayers to those on the gulf during Katrina. One's a huge urban area another rural area.

I mean seriously if you can't see the difference already then you're not going too ever.

[austinsm11]

I just don't know how to get through to some of you.
I posted some of the statistics

The government reaction to Iowa would have been the deepest of prayers to those on the gulf during Katrina. One's a huge urban area another rural area.

I mean seriously if you can't see the difference already then you're not going too ever.

We know the stats, they are different in many ways, but they are also similiar in many ways.

Even though NO was much bigger and I wouldn't expect huge telethons to raise money, I haven't really seen any celebrities getting involved. Haven't really heard of anyone asking for money.

I haven't heard the people of Iowa complain. They are thankful for all the help. They are not blaming the government. That is one of the points trying to be made.

They have not accused the government of blowing up the levees.

They have not made any comments about rebuilding a "vanilla" city.

They have not accused George Bush of hating white, rural people.

They have not stolent televisions out of stores.

They have not shot at people trying to help them.



I guess maybe BS.GUNN is correct, they are very different now that I am thinking about it.

[DAWGH8R]

If the people in New Orleans would have evacuated , LIKE THEY WERE TOLD TO DO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE, instead of trying to hang on 3 more days for that government welfare check on the 1ST of Sept, many deaths could have been avoided.

Those people were waiting for handouts then, and still are.

The wildfires in California and the floods in Iowa have been devastating. However, these people got off their duffs, did what the officials told them, and helped their fellow man.

New Orleans and any other disaster will always be light years different. The savages that inhabit New Orleans, aren't in those other locations.

Also ironic, is how the crime rates in all major cities in Texas skyrocketed, as soon as the Katrina moochers arrived in their towns.

New Orleans finally got a much needed enima.

[3bros]

Although I agree with most of what you just wrote, I must disagree with the evacuation part. I lived on the coast over 30 years of my life, and evacuating wasn't always an option. It cost ALOT of money, not to mention it is utter chaos when a storm like that is coming. For the people who live in very depressed areas, no transportation, no money, no resources at all it is pretty difficult for them to leave.

[DAWGH8R]

Although. For the people who live in very depressed areas, no transportation, no money, no resources at all it is pretty difficult for them to leave.

I call the buses that were provided , very sufficient transportation. If the area was so depressed, it should have been easy to leave their cardboard box behind.

[3bros]

Unfortunately those buses don't always get to the worst places, the people have to sometimes try to get to them. Either way they were people and I don't judge them by their living conditions, I thank God that I have never faced that type of poverty. And I am certainly not too proud to think it could never happen to me.

[DAWGH8R]

Jay Leno is in town performing at The Mirage. He is scheduled for 2 shows, with ALL proceeds to benefit those affected by the Iowa floods.

Nice to see someone step up to help the victems.

[bs.gunn]

I haven't heard the people of Iowa complain. They are thankful for all the help. They are not blaming the government. That is one of the points trying to be made.

They have not accused the government of blowing up the levees.

They have not made any comments about rebuilding a "vanilla" city.

They have not accused George Bush of hating white, rural people.

They have not stolent televisions out of stores.

They have not shot at people trying to help them.



I guess maybe BS.GUNN is correct, they are very different now that I am thinking about it.

I'm sure they were very thankful... Once they received help! (most the people affected)

1 person made a comment about "rebuilding a chocolate city" (nagin)

1 person made a comment about George Bush hating black people (kanye)

I can't excuse the looting, but that happens in low poverty zones.

As far as I remember, or can find now, there was one instance of help being shot at.

Great taking a few people and using them in comparison of over a million people.

[TigerCoach]

Don Imus wants to know what color the people were in New Orleans that didn't flee the area when they were told?

By the way, there is a fundraising campaign on the Big10 Network also.

[CarlE]

I'm sure they were very thankful... Once they received help! (most the people affected)

1 person made a comment about "rebuilding a chocolate city" (nagin)

1 person made a comment about George Bush hating black people (kanye)

I can't excuse the looting, but that happens in low poverty zones.

As far as I remember, or can find now, there was one instance of help being shot at.

Great taking a few people and using them in comparison of over a million people.

Really? I don't remember hearing anyone say thanks.

Um, but he was the freaking MAYOR for God's sake. AND those idiots over there actually re-elected him.

Kanye West is a bigger bigot than anyone on here.

There were MANY instances of help being shot at.

For Christ's sake get out of your rose-garden and join reality my friend.

[austinsm11]

I'm sure they were very thankful... Once they received help! (most the people affected)


Yes, which is more than I can say for many of the people in NO. Many also expressed thanks that more people were not hurt/killed.


1 person made a comment about "rebuilding a chocolate city" (nagin)

Yes, and as Carle said it was the leader of their city and they put him in office again. What is more amusing is how he tried to justify it:
"You take dark chocolate, you mix it with white milk and it becomes a delicious drink. That's the chocolate I'm talking about." :doh:

BTW, I guess Hispanics aren't involved in the chocolate milk analogy:
"How do I make sure New Orleans is not overrun with Mexican workers,'" referring to the influx of Mexican laborers coming to New Orleans to help rebuild the city."


1 person made a comment about George Bush hating black people (kanye)

As well as other rappers(even a song re-mix/video about it)
How about the Washington post poll where 72% agreed that Bush doesn't care for black people?


As far as I remember, or can find now, there was one instance of help being shot at.

You are incorrect (aid helicopter shot at, police shot at, contractors shot at), but regardless, isn't one instance too many?


And what about the ridiculous conspiracy theory people who think the government blew up the levee. There are many people who believe that.

http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=504383
"I heard an explosion and so did a lot of other people. It came from right where the levee broke. What else could it have been but somebody blowing up the levee?"
"Water breaking a levee isn't going to make the noise I heard..."

Funny, I've never heard a levee break (or a bomb go off for that matter) to be able to compare them. I guess this guy has heard both.

[bs.gunn]

I mean really, when did I ever say anything about it being OK to shoot 1 rescue worker or 40? I didn't.

You've made up your mind long before this flood along the Mississippi in Iowa that Katrina people are ungrateful, looting, rescue worker shooting, bush hating, black loving people. I think you've been waiting for a chance to say something shitty about them. Now there's a flood that affects mostly white rural people and you get your chance. CONGRATS!

Please let us know your real feelings.

So what if Nagin and some rappers said stupid things? I mean really, really, did it bother you that much that it's changed your opinion of all those affect by Katrina on the Gulf coast?

[austinsm11]

I mean really, when did I ever say anything about it being OK to shoot 1 rescue worker or 40? I didn't.

You've made up your mind long before this flood along the Mississippi in Iowa that Katrina people are ungrateful, looting, rescue worker shooting, bush hating, black loving people. I think you've been waiting for a chance to say something shitty about them. Now there's a flood that affects mostly white rural people and you get your chance. CONGRATS!

Please let us know your real feelings.

So what if Nagin and some rappers said stupid things? I mean really, really, did it bother you that much that it's changed your opinion of all those affect by Katrina on the Gulf coast?

You completely right. I couldn't wait for the next natural disaster to happen so that I could talk about everything in NO. :doh:

And FYI, I really hadn't thought about it until I saw the same questions posted elsewhere.

Some people like the victim role and some people do something about their situation.

[bs.gunn]

You completely right. I couldn't wait for the next natural disaster to happen so that I could talk about everything in NO. :doh:

And FYI, I really hadn't thought about it until I saw the same questions posted elsewhere.

Some people like the victim role and some people do something about their situation.

I'm just being unreasonable like some of you.
Thing is while your last comment is true. I don't believe that Katrina and Iowa were the same or should be compared

[Mass6]

I'm just being unreasonable like some of you.
Thing is while your last comment is true. I don't believe that Katrina and Iowa were the same or should be compared

That's right, because both were natural disasters, that gave little warning they were going to be as bad as they were, people were injured/left homeless/ or dead. Why would we compare these two???

To quote you: "Lost Cause"

[bs.gunn]

Apples and Oranges
Apples and oranges

I don't want to resort to personal attacks so I'm just going to continue to add some of you to my ignore list.

[CarlE]

I'm just being unreasonable like some of you.
Thing is while your last comment is true. I don't believe that Katrina and Iowa were the same or should be compared

You're right. Katrina was a hurricane that people knew for 48-72 hours before that it was headed there and they were forewarned. Most chose not to heed the warning.

Iowa was flooding and tornadoes that give you NO warning. Right o'. No comparison. Plus, I've never heard anyone refer to a city in Iowa as a Chocolate City like Nagin the moron did about New Orleans.

[reofan82]

We all know everything is the fault of President Bush anyway. After all, he controls the weather and has ESP to know the levy systems would not hold in New Orleans and in the Midwest. As for New Orleans, he should have personally gone done there and forced people to leave days ahead of time, even though the weather service did warn the people at least three days ahead of time of a possible hurricane. Of course, he didn't do that because he hates black people and I am sure no white people were killed anyway. I am sure he was to busy with Cheney in the Rose Garden planning to get more oil and increase Haliburton profits.

[bs.gunn]

You're right. Katrina was a hurricane that people knew for 48-72 hours before that it was headed there and they were forewarned. Most chose not to heed the warning.

Iowa was flooding and tornadoes that give you NO warning. Right o'. No comparison. Plus, I've never heard anyone refer to a city in Iowa as a Chocolate City like Nagin the moron did about New Orleans.

I don't think what Nagin said was "OK". I think it was uncalled for.
I do not think George Bush "hates" black people.
I think the support from the media and celebrities was different since Nola had severe devestation and over 1,800 people killed and over a million displaced. Why not for 20 dead and however many displaced in Iowa? I don't know you'd have to ask them. Maybe they only like people in Louisiana... (i don't believe that)

But I still do not believe that Hurricanes and Tornados are in the same ballpark.

I just wonder where the links to how to volunteer and send money to the Iowians are? I mean you guys are all up in arms about how it's the same but not even one of you have provided links on how to help

[dataintsmiff]

Lost cause... some of you are just a lost cause

Look who is talking...

[savage4president]

The simple answers
The people who live along the river were much more prepared for a flood. When you live along the Mississippi river I suppose that comes with the terroritory.

But living in a city that is below sea-level requires absolutly no planning in case of a disaster? Do you even think about your post or do you just spew the latest bleeding heart theory available on DailyKos? You my YOUNG friend should feel like the toolbox!

Remember: Those that are conservatives before the age of 30 have no heart...those that are liberals after the age of 30 have no brain!

[savage4president]

I'm just being unreasonable like some of you.
Thing is while your last comment is true. I don't believe that Katrina and Iowa were the same or should be compared

Of course not...1 group can be described as a bunch of people that need Big Brother (Government) to take care of them constantly. The other are people that do not need Big Brothers help any longer...they understand what it means to DO SOMETHING FOR THEMSELVES, to not wait around for the answer, to be proactive, and above else they fully understand what the American Spirit is!

What? They don't teach Tocqueville in College anymore? Only Marx, Chomsky, Zinn, W. Churchill?

[savage4president]

Apples and Oranges
Apples and oranges

I don't want to resort to personal attacks so I'm just going to continue to add some of you to my ignore list.

For a liberal...you sure are heartless!

[pnthrfan]

We all know everything is the fault of President Bush anyway. After all, he controls the weather and has ESP to know the levy systems would not hold in New Orleans and in the Midwest.

Bush didn't need ESP to know that the "levee" systems would not hold. He was told about it back in 2002. He was told that budget cuts would continue to eat away at the hurricane and flood control infrastrucutre. That the Army Corp of Enginneers needed more money or else water would flow to more areas and more lives will be lost. The Southeast Louisiana Flood Control project sought $100 million in U.S. aid to strengthen the levees holding back the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, but the Bush administration offered a paltry $16.5 million.” The Chicago Tribune noted that the Army Corps of Engineers had also requested $27 million to pay for hurricane protection upgrades around Lake Pontchartrain—but the White House pared that back to $3.9 million. Meanwhile, budget cuts forced the corps to delay seven projects that included enlarging critical levees. The weeks and months leading up to Hurricane Katrina were more of the same. The White House focused on a multi-trillion dollar plan to privatize Social Security, and a plan to repeal the federal estate tax.

The weeks and months leading up to Hurricane Katrina were more of the same.
Meanwhile, as the Financial Times reported, the president proposed a budget that “called for a $71.2 million reduction in federal funding for hurricane and flood prevention projects in the New Orleans district, the largest such cut ever proposed.” In addition, “the administration wanted to shelve a study aimed at determining ways to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane.” This, in the face of a March 2005 report by the American Society of Civil Engineers that warned 3,500 dams were at risk of failing unless the government spent $10 billion to fix them. Did they.....Nope.

After Katrina hit..... President Bush claimed, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees”—an insult to the experts in his own administration and elsewhere who had been warning about exactly that for years.

So, you see.....he is to blame for ALOT of what happened....whether you want to admit it or not.

[Indiana95]

So, you see.....he is to blame for ALOT of what happened....whether you want to admit it or not.

Let's be fair to the Bush family here. After all MAMA BUSH was so concerned for the welfare of the flood victims and was very pleased to hear that they had good living accomodations at the Houston Astrodome, because afterall, and as she said, "so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

Like Mama, like son!

[reofan82]

Bush didn't need ESP to know that the "levee" systems would not hold. He was told about it back in 2002. He was told that budget cuts would continue to eat away at the hurricane and flood control infrastrucutre. That the Army Corp of Enginneers needed more money or else water would flow to more areas and more lives will be lost. The Southeast Louisiana Flood Control project sought $100 million in U.S. aid to strengthen the levees holding back the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, but the Bush administration offered a paltry $16.5 million.” The Chicago Tribune noted that the Army Corps of Engineers had also requested $27 million to pay for hurricane protection upgrades around Lake Pontchartrain—but the White House pared that back to $3.9 million. Meanwhile, budget cuts forced the corps to delay seven projects that included enlarging critical levees. The weeks and months leading up to Hurricane Katrina were more of the same. The White House focused on a multi-trillion dollar plan to privatize Social Security, and a plan to repeal the federal estate tax.

The weeks and months leading up to Hurricane Katrina were more of the same.
Meanwhile, as the Financial Times reported, the president proposed a budget that “called for a $71.2 million reduction in federal funding for hurricane and flood prevention projects in the New Orleans district, the largest such cut ever proposed.” In addition, “the administration wanted to shelve a study aimed at determining ways to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane.” This, in the face of a March 2005 report by the American Society of Civil Engineers that warned 3,500 dams were at risk of failing unless the government spent $10 billion to fix them. Did they.....Nope.

After Katrina hit..... President Bush claimed, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees”—an insult to the experts in his own administration and elsewhere who had been warning about exactly that for years.

So, you see.....he is to blame for ALOT of what happened....whether you want to admit it or not.

The Clinton Administration knew as well. Anyway, our country has spent millions over the years in New Orleans and other places. In New Orleans much was wasted by local governments and political patronage. How dare the President want you to be able to control at least part of your money to ensure a good retirement. I guess W doesn't have ESP after all. He spent so much time on "other" issues(your class warfare isn't lost on anybody) that he didn't see the hurricane coming. Why do you not hold Bill Clinton accountable as well? Were the levees OK then, but crumbled when Bush was elected? Wasn't Clinton playing with cigars as the levee system decayed?

In a way, it would be interesting to see your reactions to the failures of a President Obama. I would imagine anything that would happen on his watch would not be his fault. Well, nothing bad would happen because he is your "saviour" and he controls all because he has "hope"! I guess it is all moot because he will not be President in 2009.

[reofan82]

Let's be fair to the Bush family here. After all MAMA BUSH was so concerned for the welfare of the flood victims and was very pleased to hear that they had good living accomodations at the Houston Astrodome, because afterall, and as she said, "so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

Like Mama, like son!

I would expect this type of a comment from a person like you. Who really cares what his mother said? A 75 year old woman ? Compared to some of the things you have written, she seems like a genius. Another cheap shot from the clueless left winger.

[CarlE]

Bush didn't need ESP to know that the "levee" systems would not hold. He was told about it back in 2002. He was told that budget cuts would continue to eat away at the hurricane and flood control infrastrucutre. That the Army Corp of Enginneers needed more money or else water would flow to more areas and more lives will be lost. The Southeast Louisiana Flood Control project sought $100 million in U.S. aid to strengthen the levees holding back the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, but the Bush administration offered a paltry $16.5 million.” The Chicago Tribune noted that the Army Corps of Engineers had also requested $27 million to pay for hurricane protection upgrades around Lake Pontchartrain—but the White House pared that back to $3.9 million. Meanwhile, budget cuts forced the corps to delay seven projects that included enlarging critical levees. The weeks and months leading up to Hurricane Katrina were more of the same. The White House focused on a multi-trillion dollar plan to privatize Social Security, and a plan to repeal the federal estate tax.

The weeks and months leading up to Hurricane Katrina were more of the same.
Meanwhile, as the Financial Times reported, the president proposed a budget that “called for a $71.2 million reduction in federal funding for hurricane and flood prevention projects in the New Orleans district, the largest such cut ever proposed.” In addition, “the administration wanted to shelve a study aimed at determining ways to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane.” This, in the face of a March 2005 report by the American Society of Civil Engineers that warned 3,500 dams were at risk of failing unless the government spent $10 billion to fix them. Did they.....Nope.

After Katrina hit..... President Bush claimed, “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees”—an insult to the experts in his own administration and elsewhere who had been warning about exactly that for years.

So, you see.....he is to blame for ALOT of what happened....whether you want to admit it or not.

Let me ask you this. Should any of the blame be placed on the idiots that knew for 48-72 hours that Katrina was bearing down on their city and instead of evacuating like sensible people do, chose to stick around and continue their hurricane parties? God, you people amaze me sometimes.

[DAWGH8R]

Let me ask you this. Should any of the blame be placed on the idiots that knew for 48-72 hours that Katrina was bearing down on their city and instead of evacuating like sensible people do, chose to stick around and continue their hurricane parties? God, you people amaze me sometimes.

It was duly noted that the hurricane hit on Aug 29th, and the fine people of NewOrleans didn't want to leave because that gubberment chek was gonna be there in another 3 days. When the check didn't show, they ransacked and looted all post offices and mailtrucks.

[pnthrfan]

The Clinton Administration knew as well.

You're right....he DID know. That is why when flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA. The purpose of SELA was to provide for engineering, design, and construction of projects for flood control and improvements to rainfall drainage systems in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany Parishes.

How dare the President want you to be able to control at least part of your money to ensure a good retirement.

How did that go??? That's what I thought.

I guess W doesn't have ESP after all. He spent so much time on "other" issues(your class warfare isn't lost on anybody) that he didn't see the hurricane coming.

Really like what for instance?? (Other then the Iraq war)

Why do you not hold Bill Clinton accountable as well? Were the levees OK then, but crumbled when Bush was elected?

He funded the Army Corp of Engineers and the other Projects to help the infrastructure of New Orleans....Bush did what? Oh that's right....reduced it down to practically nothing.

Wasn't Clinton playing with cigars as the levee system decayed?

Let's see playing with cigars, compared to playing with American's lives over in Iraq. Hmmmmmm......... How many of our men and women have lost their lives over there now? 4113. That is 4113 men and women that have died for a man who did nothing but lie to us , the American people to justify his reasons for going to war.

Give me a break.....Your loyalty to this joke of a President is sickening.

Take your GWB colored glasses off and see that our country is in worse shape then it has been in almost a century.

In a way, it would be interesting to see your reactions to the failures of a President Obama. I would imagine anything that would happen on his watch would not be his fault.

Sort of like NOTHING is Bush's fault in YOUR eyes. :upside:

[pnthrfan]

Let me ask you this. Should any of the blame be placed on the idiots that knew for 48-72 hours that Katrina was bearing down on their city and instead of evacuating like sensible people do, chose to stick around and continue their hurricane parties? .

Let me ask you this CarlE....since only 1 out of 10 of those people had a vehicle, how were they supposed to get out? Since probably 90% of those people had no money, no credit cards..... if they did leave , where would they have gone? Hopped on a plane and flew somewhere? No, not without money. Found a hotel that would let them stay for a week without any money?? Yeah right!!....What about the sick, and disabled?

I pray to God nothing horrible ever happens to any of you people on here that talk about the victims of Hurricane Katrina as if they were cattle. They are human beings. Human beings that were forgotten for days after the hurrcane hit. As you say CarlE.......God, you people amaze me sometimes.

[02teleprograd]

He is right. We do just say well they could of done this but alot of us don't know all the details.

[austinsm11]

Let me ask you this CarlE....since only 1 out of 10 of those people had a vehicle, how were they supposed to get out? Since probably 90% of those people had no money, no credit cards..... if they did leave , where would they have gone? Hopped on a plane and flew somewhere? No, not without money. Found a hotel that would let them stay for a week without any money?? Yeah right!!....What about the sick, and disabled?


Some people stayed because they didn't think it would be that bad. Also, the city has tons of buses that could have been used. IMO a poor evacuation plan relects more on the mayor/governor than the President.

I also think that people that live there know the risks. If you want to live in a house that is below water level right by the Gulf of Mexico and beside the Mississippi River and a huge lake then you have to accept some of the risks of living there. Some predict that NO will be under water within the next 100 years.

[pnthrfan]

Some people stayed because they didn't think it would be that bad. Also, the city has tons of buses that could have been used. IMO a poor evacuation plan relects more on the mayor/governor than the President.

I agree....it was a very poor evacuation plan. The buses could have been used and weren't. And yes, that does reflect more on the mayor and the Governor than the President. You have to also agree that not all of that flooding would have happened if the levies weren't breeched, and if they were fortified and the infrastructure was beefed up. That fell on the President....noone else.

I also think that people that live there know the risks. If you want to live in a house that is below water level right by the Gulf of Mexico and beside the Mississippi River and a huge lake then you have to accept some of the risks of living there. Some predict that NO will be under water within the next 100 years.

I agree. It's like this though.....take for instance, people in Massillon...generations of families have lived there. Something keeps them there.....obviously family, and the fact that they love their hometown. It is the same there in New Orleans......that is the only place probably 90% of the people there have ever been, and with family there and their love of their city, that is what keeps them there. You can't fault them for that. It is the same EVERYWHERE.

[austinsm11]

I agree....it was a very poor evacuation plan. The buses could have been used and weren't. And yes, that does reflect more on the mayor and the Governor than the President. You have to also agree that not all of that flooding would have happened if the levies weren't breeched, and if they were fortified and the infrastructure was beefed up. That fell on the President....noone else.


You are right that not all of the flooding would have happened, but I still think it would have been bad (not as bad, of course). Wasn't the SELA an ongoing project that wouldn't have been finished by the time Katrina hit anyway (even if they had gotten all the money)? I'm not sure about this.


I do believe Bush is somewhat at fault but at the same time, how many other Presidents could have done something along the way. It isn't like all of a sudden in the 1990s and 2000s we knew that NO could be in trouble. People have known this ever since the first people came to the area many years ago.
I'm still curious as to why it was only built to withstand a category 3 hurricane? They didn't think that a category 4 or 5 was possible.


I agree. It's like this though.....take for instance, people in Massillon...generations of families have lived there. Something keeps them there.....obviously family, and the fact that they love their hometown. It is the same there in New Orleans......that is the only place probably 90% of the people there have ever been, and with family there and their love of their city, that is what keeps them there. You can't fault them for that. It is the same EVERYWHERE.


Actually, I can fault them for that. Yes, it is hard to leave. But either you do it and have a better life or stay and complain. I could have stayed in the area after getting my degree with little hope for a job. I could then complain to the government to help me and go on welfare and get food stamps, etc. Instead I chose to move to an area where I could get a job. Was it hard? Heck yeah. Life isn't easy.

[CarlE]

Let me ask you this CarlE....since only 1 out of 10 of those people had a vehicle, how were they supposed to get out? Since probably 90% of those people had no money, no credit cards..... if they did leave , where would they have gone? Hopped on a plane and flew somewhere? No, not without money. Found a hotel that would let them stay for a week without any money?? Yeah right!!....What about the sick, and disabled?

I pray to God nothing horrible ever happens to any of you people on here that talk about the victims of Hurricane Katrina as if they were cattle. They are human beings. Human beings that were forgotten for days after the hurrcane hit. As you say CarlE.......God, you people amaze me sometimes.


Yes, yes yes. You are believing the liberal media that said only 1 in 10 had cars. Sorry there Liberal Libby. I saw too many cars floating away and too many cars sitting there abandoned to believe that. And to save my life and the life of my family? Yes, I would have forsake the drugs and the booze, saved a little money and gotten the hell out of there. Look, I've BEEN to New Orleans MANY, MANY times. Believe me when I tell you the picture of destitution the media pasted all over the TV's are only part of the story.

[02teleprograd]

We in stark have stark county engineer right?

So for you as the President you think they know every thing thats going on.
Oh Mr Bush Tremont bridge was tore down because of Cancer stuff you need to re build it its your problem Mr Bush....

So wouldn't be state goverment problem

[reofan82]

You're right....he DID know. That is why when flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA. The purpose of SELA was to provide for engineering, design, and construction of projects for flood control and improvements to rainfall drainage systems in Jefferson, Orleans and St. Tammany Parishes.



How did that go??? That's what I thought.



Really like what for instance?? (Other then the Iraq war)



He funded the Army Corp of Engineers and the other Projects to help the infrastructure of New Orleans....Bush did what? Oh that's right....reduced it down to practically nothing.



Let's see playing with cigars, compared to playing with American's lives over in Iraq. Hmmmmmm......... How many of our men and women have lost their lives over there now? 4113. That is 4113 men and women that have died for a man who did nothing but lie to us , the American people to justify his reasons for going to war.

Give me a break.....Your loyalty to this joke of a President is sickening.

Take your GWB colored glasses off and see that our country is in worse shape then it has been in almost a century.



Sort of like NOTHING is Bush's fault in YOUR eyes. :upside:



1. I have never said President Bush is perfect. I do disagree with him on issues, including how we executed the war. For instance, we should have started with more troops and we should have began with the end in mind. Also, I believe the budget has gotton out of control during his years in office. However, I have seen a liberal congress do nothing for two years, but hold hearings, work four days a week and never introduce legislation that helps our country. Gas Prices? Health Care? War? Economy? All things they are critical of and blame the President for. Yet, they have no answers themselves. Could it be they want things to be bad, so their party can gain more power? Would the party of the "people" really do that to the sheep who will blindly vote for them?

2. If your President Clinton did know about the levee system, why didn't he completely fix all of the problems while he was in office. After 2000, why did all of the liberal's in congree NOT make the serious problem an issue? Did all of the money Clinton gave to NO really go to fix the problem?

3. Making a part of social security private did not and has not gone well. Because of people like you. You believe most people are too stupid to invest on their own and besides you want that money to keep funding your big government "solutions" to problems. We are all just poor saps who don't understand what to do with money, just like those poor people in NO didn't have cars, had too much affection for the community to leave, blah,blah,blah
We will see how you feel when social security is gone by the time you need it. Just raise taxes, that it will prevent it, right?

4. People like you believe government is the answer to everything and refuse to let people take personal responsibility for anything. Oh, it is the President's fault, yes, somebody else, never a personal accounting.

5. If you lived in an area where you were warned 48-72 hours that a major hurricane would land, what would you do? I am not sure what you would do, but whatever it is, I am sure you would blame President Bush if they outcome wasn't what you wanted.

[CarlE]

5. If you lived in an area where you were warned 48-72 hours that a major hurricane would land, what would you do? I am not sure what you would do, but whatever it is, I am sure you would blame President Bush if they outcome wasn't what you wanted.


Come to think of it, I DID evacuate for Hurricane Charlie. A bunch of us in Da White Milk hood boogied over to the Orlando area. Guess what happened? Dang hurricane turns in down at Punta Gorda and comes north RIGHT THROUGH WHERE I WAS FREAKING STAYING. I never thought of this before but now that Pnthrfan has enlightened us I now realize that this was President Bush's fault. That's IT. I'm suing the government because they didn't tell me to stay where I was because the hurricane was going to miss St. Pete.

[Paul Brown]

The only reason CarlE evacuated is b/c he ran out of Corona.

[pnthrfan]

Come to think of it, I DID evacuate for Hurricane Charlie.

Of course you did.....you could afford too. Along with all the others in your "gated community". Thanks for making my point.

You know what.....I am NOT going to continue trying to explain my opinion on this. All I know, is that I am a way better person then alot of you people on here. I have COMPASSION for people that are less fortunate than I am, as do my children. There are alot of reasons why people are struggling, and I have done and will continue to do whatever I can to help them out.

Before you spout off about having donated this amount of money for this and that......have you ever helped out at a soup kitchen? Put on an apron, and dished out food for the homeless. How about baked pies and taken them down to the local shelter? Delivered food to the elderly. I have done all of this and more. I can't even imagine after some of the stuff you guys spew on here, that you would have one iota of compassion for a family that has lost everything and is dependent on the Govt. to help them out. No, you guys will continue to to sit high up on your pedestal, and look down on the people that need help the most. Do us ( you know the people that actually care about the well being of others) all a favor, and don't bother lying about things that you supposedly have done, because your true colors have shown through more then once, and noone would believe your lies anyway.

[CarlE]

Of course you did.....you could afford too. Along with all the others in your "gated community". Thanks for making my point.

You know what.....I am NOT going to continue trying to explain my opinion on this. All I know, is that I am a way better person then alot of you people on here. I have COMPASSION for people that are less fortunate than I am, as do my children. There are alot of reasons why people are struggling, and I have done and will continue to do whatever I can to help them out.

Before you spout off about having donated this amount of money for this and that......have you ever helped out at a soup kitchen? Put on an apron, and dished out food for the homeless. How about baked pies and taken them down to the local shelter? Delivered food to the elderly. I have done all of this and more. I can't even imagine after some of the stuff you guys spew on here, that you would have one iota of compassion for a family that has lost everything and is dependent on the Govt. to help them out. No, you guys will continue to to sit high up on your pedestal, and look down on the people that need help the most. Do us ( you know the people that actually care about the well being of others) all a favor, and don't bother lying about things that you supposedly have done, because your true colors have shown through more then once, and noone would believe your lies anyway.


OK,
Casa House? Yes, annual donation, annual Christmas gifts PERSONALLY delivered by family

PARC (Pinellas Association of Retarded Children)? Yes, annual event, annual Christmas wrapping and gift delivering party. Family event again.

Annual sponsership of a less fortunate family for Thanksgiving. Includes buying, and delivering all the makings of a Thanksgiving dinner. PERSONALLY delivered by family.

Annual sponsership of a family for Christmas. I won't even BEGIN to tell you what that entails because of the fact that Christmas is my favorite holiday.


Point being, before you start claiming you're Sister Freaking Theresa make sure you know what the hell you're talking about OK? And if you REALLY want to make a difference, go out on Lincolnway in Perry Township and clean up those junk-yard used car lots that populate the damn place.

[Paul Brown]

Point being, before you start claiming you're Sister Freaking Theresa make sure you know what the hell you're talking about OK? .

I thought she was Mother Theresa or was she demoted posthumously?

[reofan82]

Of course you did.....you could afford too. Along with all the others in your "gated community". Thanks for making my point.

You know what.....I am NOT going to continue trying to explain my opinion on this. All I know, is that I am a way better person then alot of you people on here. I have COMPASSION for people that are less fortunate than I am, as do my children. There are alot of reasons why people are struggling, and I have done and will continue to do whatever I can to help them out.

Before you spout off about having donated this amount of money for this and that......have you ever helped out at a soup kitchen? Put on an apron, and dished out food for the homeless. How about baked pies and taken them down to the local shelter? Delivered food to the elderly. I have done all of this and more. I can't even imagine after some of the stuff you guys spew on here, that you would have one iota of compassion for a family that has lost everything and is dependent on the Govt. to help them out. No, you guys will continue to to sit high up on your pedestal, and look down on the people that need help the most. Do us ( you know the people that actually care about the well being of others) all a favor, and don't bother lying about things that you supposedly have done, because your true colors have shown through more then once, and noone would believe your lies anyway.

How in the world can you make judgements about the compassion of people who comment on this site? To assume that a person who has different views than you are not at your level of compassion is absurd. You have an obvious problem with people who you feel make more money than you. I as well as others have done similar, if not more for people who are struggling than you. Sometimes compassion can come in the form of teaching people about your struggles and how to avoid them. Really, I think providing people with government checks each month, without expected something in return is more cruel than anything. This gives people a false sense of reality and doesn't help them at all. This is one reason why we have generations on welfare. You know the old saying about giving someone food or teaching them to fish..........

I am sure your liberal blogs and newsletters will not tell you that. They want you to believe you are superior and that somehow others are not deserving of their success or people with more means than others are all cold and heartless. Honestly, your comments show your complete ignorance about people different than you and show you to be judgemental. Believe it or not, I have done and continue to do way more than you for those less fortunate, I don't care if you believe it or not, I am just glad you are doing something tangible to help others. It only matters to God anyway.

[TigerLily]

Point being, before you start claiming you're Sister Freaking Theresa make sure you know what the hell you're talking about OK? And if you REALLY want to make a difference, go out on Lincolnway in Perry Township and clean up those junk-yard used car lots that populate the damn place.

Carle -- I’m not Catholic, but you really shouldn’t be using these words like this.

I’m sure you and pnthrfan do much to help others less fortunate, throughout the year.

[Kamd50]

Everyone has some very valid points here, but can we please try to show each other a little common respect? thanks in advance.

Remember:
Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.
:angel:
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

[DAWGH8R]

Let me ask you this CarlE....since only 1 out of 10 of those people had a vehicle, how were they supposed to get out? .


After the lootings, 2 in 10 had cars !!

This depressed wasteland needed an enima, and thank goodness , it got one. Too bad the Great State of Texas had to absorb so many of these thugs, felons & thieves.

http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/looters-739752.jpg

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/buffalobfan21/LOOTING.png

[Indiana95]

[QUOTE=DAWGH8R;110295]After the lootings, 2 in 10 had cars !!

This depressed wasteland needed an enima, and thank goodness , it got one. Too bad the Great State of Texas had to absorb so many of these thugs, felons & thieves.
QUOTE]

It just baffles me to see how blacks in the aftermath of Katrina were accused of "looting", yet whites who were doing the same thing were "gathering supplies". What's the white guy in the photo doing? Is he putting things back that was found outside? C'mon!

What's even more baffling are the people who continue to reduce these poor individuals to thugs and felons. SHAMEFULL!

[Indiana95]

I would expect this type of a comment from a person like you. Who really cares what his mother said? A 75 year old woman ? Compared to some of the things you have written, she seems like a genius. Another cheap shot from the clueless left winger.

Just telling it like it is. I know it's hard to hear the truth. I also laugh to hear the excuses "she's a 75 year woman". AND?

[DAWGH8R]

It just baffles me to see how blacks in the aftermath of Katrina were accused of "looting", yet whites who were doing the same thing were "gathering supplies". What's the white guy in the photo doing? Is he putting things back that was found outside? C'mon!

What's even more baffling are the people who continue to reduce these poor individuals to thugs and felons. SHAMEFULL!

I knew that someone would have to bring race into this. :poke::doh2:

[Indiana95]

I knew that someone would have to bring race into this. :poke::doh2:

And that someone was you. Did you look at the pics you posted?

[DAWGH8R]

And that someone was you. Did you look at the pics you posted?


I purposely posted a pic of the guy in the white T-shirt. Did you miss his skin color ???

[DAWGH8R]

And that someone was you. Did you look at the pics you posted?

I think the word BLACK came from ONLY you !! Maybe it's just a subconscious thing with you. :wink:

[Seeker]

I thought she was Mother Theresa or was she demoted posthumously?

Actually, all the good Catholics on here should know that after her death she was beatified by the Pope and given the title "Blessed Teresa."

[Indiana95]

I purposely posted a pic of the guy in the white T-shirt. Did you miss his skin color ???

Sure you did. Backpeddling begins..

[Paul Brown]

Actually, all the good Catholics on here should know that after her death she was beatified by the Pope and given the title "Blessed Teresa."

I did not know that.

[DAWGH8R]

Sure you did. Backpeddling begins..

Funny, I posted the pic BEFORE you said the word BLACK. Who's backpeddling ??? Nobody mentioned race , until you came along.

I post a pic of white and black looters, and you make a black comment, and try to spin the story MY way ?? Nice try, but I'm not bitin' !!

Thanks for playing though !! http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/owned.gif

[Paul Brown]

I post a pic of white and black looters, and you make a black comment, and try to spin the story MY way ?? Nice try, but I'm not bitin' !!

Thanks for playing though !! http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/owned.gif

Theres no white folks in your first pic.

[DAWGH8R]

My pics were posted at the same time, THANKS !! Sorry that no 'Whiteys" made it in the first pic for you !!

[DAWGH8R]

Theres no white folks in your first pic.

We are all counting on you to solve the oil crisis !! Off the net, and back to the drawing board. MPG, MPG , MPG, MPG , MPG !!

[Paul Brown]

ChronicTiger will have to do that. I'm plain outta ideas that aren't already in use. My car would cost so much that only CarlE could afford it.

[austinsm11]

http://www.lisaandjacob.com/uploaded_images/ap1.jpg

Here is a picture of some white people "finding" some food. I do agree with Indiana that it was ridiculous how the blacks were "looting" while the whites were "finding."

But I think your analysis of what Dawh8r posted is just silly. He posted both races and said nothing about finding for one race and looting for the other.

As far as thugs, felons, and thieves....they are. Perhaps instead of "finding" several pairs of shoes, NFL jerseys and hats they could have been looking for things like food, candles, etc. I guess maybe it is difficult to survive without a free, brand new NFL jersey.

[reofan82]

http://www.lisaandjacob.com/uploaded_images/ap1.jpg

Here is a picture of some white people "finding" some food. I do agree with Indiana that it was ridiculous how the blacks were "looting" while the whites were "finding."

But I think your analysis of what Dawh8r posted is just silly. He posted both races and said nothing about finding for one race and looting for the other.

As far as thugs, felons, and thieves....they are. Perhaps instead of "finding" several pairs of shoes, NFL jerseys and hats they could have been looking for things like food, candles, etc. I guess maybe it is difficult to survive without a free, brand new NFL jersey.

Who said white people were finding food and black people were looting? I think you are right taking supplies for survival is one thing, taking items like NFL jerseys are another.

[austinsm11]

Who said white people were finding food and black people were looting?

It was in reference to Indiana talking about white's "gathering supplies." There was a big issue after the flooding in a paper how one day they showed black people taking things and called it looting. Then the next day they showed white people "finding" supplies.

[CarlE]

Carle -- I’m not Catholic, but you really shouldn’t be using these words like this.

I’m sure you and pnthrfan do much to help others less fortunate, throughout the year.

You're not Catholic. Think Confession. It will all be OK!! LOL.