DREAM becoming a nightmare?

[gotigers1]

From Tomorrow's Early edition of the Independent.

http://www.indeonline.com/local_news/x390617696/DREAM-BECOMING-A-NIGHTMARE

I know that this is a hot-topic issue here, I do ask that we please keep it clean. Thank you in advance.

[tiger embalmer]

Jeff David is doing the right thing. I have to side with him. We have to put the kids first, not anyone else.

[CATS44]

Absolutely the best step to take right now.

I spend a lot of my time in the summer on Lake Erie. I never had the wherewithal to buy a boat, but had lots of friends who did. The definition of boat is....

"A hole in the Lake that you pour money into."

Unfortunately from observation over the past few years, and even more so lately, that definition could very well be applied to the MCS as it is presently being run. Until there are drastic changes, it would be a foolish investment.

[ReineyKicker15]

I think the right thing to do would be to complete any work that has already been started. As far as any planned work that was to take place in the future, if he want's to halt that then fine it's his money. But not completing work that has already been started makes both sides look very bad.

[Kamd50]

District can't let this DREAM die

http://www.indeonline.com/opinion/x1470891455/District-cant-let-this-DREAM-die

[Tiger Flame]

Clean up the B.O.E. and the problem will be solved! GO TIGERS

[Mass6]

Pretty flippin rediculous that we are GIVEN this wonderful opportunity for our children and city, yet want to keep (our BOE that is) bickering about pointless crap. I don't blame Mr. David at all, this is a large investment of his families money. I'd be pulling it too given the crap that is going on. Funny that no one talks about what is really going on down there and when asked by the independent they have no comment.:wall::bs:

[DAWGH8R]

Don't the taxpayers that pay the BOE salary , have a RIGHT to know what the problem is ????

I'd like to see Jeff strongarm the district into forcing a few resignations before work resumes !!

Long live the golden rule !!

[Tiger Flame]

Our new coach has walked into a hornets nest and must be wondering about his decision. We pride our selves in our long traditions but we always seem to have someone in power positions that mess things up and make us the laughing stock of the state. Whatever it takes to get the betterment of our children and the integrity of our town back,then lets get it done!!!! GO TIGERS

[Red50Go]

Our new coach has walked into a hornets nest and must be wondering about his decision. We pride our selves in our long traditions but we always seem to have someone in power positions that mess things up and make us the laughing stock of the state. Whatever it takes to get the betterment of our children and the integrity of our town back,then lets get it done!!!! GO TIGERS

Replace the word have with elect and you are correct. Our voting record is what got us in this mess, and perpetuates it. And thats all that can get us out of it.

[bs.gunn]

Does anyone actually know what's going on or is this all wild speculation?
I hear alot of beating of the B.O.E with nothing but rumors and BS.

What are the facts surrounding this?

[DAWGH8R]

Does anyone actually know what's going on or is this all wild speculation?
I hear alot of beating of the B.O.E with nothing but rumors and BS.

What are the facts surrounding this?

When the BOE says "NO COMMENT" to the Inde, you can only guess who's in the woodpile !!!

[Red50Go]

Does anyone actually know what's going on or is this all wild speculation?
I hear alot of beating of the B.O.E with nothing but rumors and BS.

What are the facts surrounding this?

Here is what is going on. Our super resigned unexpectedly. His replacement resigned really unexpectedly. The new coach cant get the staff he wants. We are under investigation for ethics violations. DREAM is on hold. And the BOE has issued a no comment. Hope that helps.

[ChronicTiger]

Maybe our resident BOE poster could shed some light on this? I thought he was going to keep us up to date?

:oops2:

[Mass6]

Here is what is going on. Our super resigned unexpectedly. His replacement resigned really unexpectedly. The new coach cant get the staff he wants. We are under investigation for ethics violations. DREAM is on hold. And the BOE has issued a no comment. Hope that helps.

This sums it up perfectly. NW replaces their Super in 5 days, but we'll take more then 5 months!!!

[Tiger Flame]

What if our super appoints a friend of his as a interm for the position as we try to find another super? It goes on and on and on. Some day we may do it right but don,t hold your breath. GO TIGERS

[BigTime]

Replace the word have with elect and you are correct. Our voting record is what got us in this mess, and perpetuates it. And thats all that can get us out of it.

And the winner is.....Red50Go

[The Voice]

red50go is right on.. to add to it.. according to one board emmber, this current board should be fired!..they are self serving and have NO INTEREST IN THE KIDS.. (The guy was really pissed, and I can't blame him).

tv

[tiger74]

While reading the inde it said mr. F didn't see this coming. Come on now how in the bloody blue blazes can you not know what is going on!!!:notlistening: All this happens when you don't do things the RIGHT WAY.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

And the winner is.....Red50Go

I'm not so sure about that.
Prior to the recent election, we were told many things by Weinberg, including a promise to work for change and an increase in board integrity.
He also, maybe a little naively, promised to come here and keep us informed.

The voters responded and he was elected.

What else can we do, other than believe in a candidates sincerity and integrity?

It's nigh on to high time that someone on that board steps up and speaks publicly.

What a bunch of irresponsible, self-centered, self-serving idiots!!!!!

It would be nice if all of them publicly offered their resignations tonight.

Anyone interesting in putting together a public demonstration/picket line tonight?

We could call the news media. This should be more interesting that the other two things Massillon is famous for this week.


:help:

[Red50Go]

While reading the inde it said mr. F didn't see this coming. Come on now how in the bloody blue blazes can you not know what is going on!!!:notlistening: All this happens when you don't do things the RIGHT WAY.

Usually when someone does not recognize an obvious problem, they are part of it. Just like I am sure VB thinks we need 3 more VB's.

Btw, he pulled the same Sgt Schultz act w/ Shep. Good to know our principal's on top of things huh?

[The Voice]

Although he perhaps bit off more than he could chew, I really don't think that MW is a part of the problem.. Referring to the picketing thing, I was seriously
considering taking the COMMUNITY NEWSWATCH camera's down there to provide unedited, unanchored coverage of this meeting.. I just don't know how far I would get.

tv

[Tiger54]

Here is what is going on. Our super resigned unexpectedly. His replacement resigned really unexpectedly. The new coach cant get the staff he wants. We are under investigation for ethics violations. DREAM is on hold. And the BOE has issued a no comment. Hope that helps.
AMEN! I don't think any of this mess is going to get straightened out until we get some resignations from this Board of Education. It would appear that some members are on the Board to get their relatives jobs! Our kids, this school system AND the Massillon community are having to pay for some selfish people. I sincerely hope that when the state comes in to examine this mess, that some things are corrected. Massillonians deserve better than we have been getting from this Board. They really should hang their heads in shame. Two superintendents resigning without adequate explanations, poor academic scores, nepotism, need I say more.

[Tiger54]

Usually when someone does not recognize an obvious problem, they are part of it. Just like I am sure VB thinks we need 3 more VB's.

Btw, he pulled the same Sgt Schultz act w/ Shep. Good to know our principal's on top of things huh?
As you know, Fortner is not the Principal any longer---we promoted him!

[bs.gunn]

Ok I haven't learned anything new.

It just doesn't make sense to me that people would jump to the conclusion that the BOE are doing something bad just because they're tight lipped about it.

Perhaps they're not speaking because of another reason. These folks are massillon residents afterall. There would be a witchhunt if they truly did something horrible. I'm sure they understand that

[Tiger54]

Mr David is very generous, also very controlling.
I was always of the believe that when you give its with a pure heart not with strings.
The BOE should be the only ones who can pull the plug on any project but in this case the foundation is paying the bills.
If the David family is contributing large sums of money to a project, you better believe that they should be allowed to do some controlling of THEIR funds. What are the Davids getting out of it---they have funded so many projects in this city---Mr. David would be sick at heart to see what has been going on. There are many, many Massillon people who are not happy with what has been transpiring but we don't have any strings to pull. God bless the Davids if they are trying to force some people to do the right thing. Would you keep donating money to an entity if you weren't happy with what you saw was going on? I KNOW that I wouldn't be happy. This whole school system is in disarray. You have a small school system (Northwest) able to find a superintendent replacement in less than a week, and Massillon cannot get a good man to want to come here. What person in their right mind would want to tackle the many problems associated with our school system?? It is unbelievable that you would ever permit a BOE member's family (at least two members) to obtain jobs within the system. That is abominable and should never be permitted. "The BOE should be the only ones who can pull the plug on a project?" Surely you are kidding. Let them keep their hands off of it.

[massillon catholic]

Jeff David and his family should be commended for everything that they have done for Massillon. Now, that a couple of morons are trying to go behind his back and ruin the very things that he has contributed and/or donated is a dispicable act of arrogance, ignorance and incomeptence. These board members in question should voluntary resign from the board immediately. For, everyday these people remain on the board is another day wasted for the students and community of Massillon. The longer the board remains as it is, it is a no-win situation for Massillon.

[bs.gunn]

Not that I don't appreciate and show some respect for what the David's have been doing in our area. But that hardly gives them leeway to make demands on our school system. As to the BOE I've heard the rumors you all have. But let's not lump everyone on the current BOE together and try to hold back your tongues until facts have been established or at least displayed.

Massillon school system BOE has been doing the wrong thing for decades. Perhaps this period of time is where the proverbial shit has hit the fan? Perhaps it's the decades of massillon residents voting for buddies before voting for competence that have led us down this path?

[TigerCoach]

Ok I haven't learned anything new.

It just doesn't make sense to me that people would jump to the conclusion that the BOE are doing something bad just because they're tight lipped about it.

Perhaps they're not speaking because of another reason. These folks are massillon residents afterall. There would be a witchhunt if they truly did something horrible. I'm sure they understand that

Aren't you doing the same thing by assuming the David Family is "making demands on our school system"? What proof do you have that there are "demands"?

[DragonTigerNemesis]

It seems sometimes that folks are confusing "The David Family", Jeff David and the David Foundation.

They are not the same thing, and even though Jeff is arguably the key responsibility center of all three, their motives and interests are not necessarily the same.

Jeff David and "The David Family" make personal donations to people and projects with which they have a personal interest. It's their money and their generosity, and they are welcome to give it in whatever manner or spirit which they desire, with any "strings" they want to attach to it.

The Paul and Carol David Foundation is another situation entirely. The board is currently made up of family members, and Jeff seems to usually be the spokesperson.
The Foundation is an IRS 501(C)3 entity. As such there are very strict laws in place requiring the proper stewardship of any grants that they make. The Foundation is required to state the parameters than all recipients must abide by, and is charged with ensuring that the grantees are practising good stewardship of any funding it provides, and that 100% of any grant is going toward the purposes stated in the grant.
If the IRS suspects that the Foundation is not closely overseeing the use and stewardship of the funds, they can at most revoke their non-profit status and at the least insist that one of more of the board members are replaced.

In short, when it comes to DREAM and the money from the Paul & Carol David Foundation, Jeff David not only has the right to insist on good stewardship, he is required by law to do so.

Get off his back, and get on the backs of the people that are jeopardizing the DREAM program by refusing to tell the public what's really going on.

:TIG2:

[CATS44]

Even if everything going on within the BOE and school administration was going swimmingly well, the members of the BOE, as elected representatives, are derelict in their duties by refusing to communicate publicly with the people that elected them.

Its taken a long time, but the Inde has apparently gotten off its duff, and is now willing to do its duty as a member of the fourth estate.

The first duty of the media in a free society is to hold goverment to its responsibilities.

[Benchboss1]

Ok I haven't learned anything new.

It just doesn't make sense to me that people would jump to the conclusion that the BOE are doing something bad just because they're tight lipped about it.

Perhaps they're not speaking because of another reason. These folks are massillon residents afterall. There would be a witchhunt if they truly did something horrible. I'm sure they understand that


If you haven't learned anything new, then you must be hoping for a job from VB.

If the BOE was NOT doing anything wrong, then why in H--L would they NOT want to comment to the public, to get their point out in the open. How many folks accused of some wrong doing, who always say "no comment" when questioned about the alleged wrong doing, are ever actually innocent?

Please list a couple of reasons for NOT commenting to the people that ELECTED them when they are questioned about the goings on with the BOE.

By the way, when was the last time the Massillon BOE was being investigated by the Ethics Commission? Just asking.

[Banks]

Wasn't it VB that called for an investigated by the Ethics Commission?

[CATS44]

How would anybody know, since nobody will talk about it...and the Inde so far hasnt been willing to dig for the facts?

[MTigers006]

I'm not so sure about that.
Prior to the recent election, we were told many things by Weinberg, including a promise to work for change and an increase in board integrity.
He also, maybe a little naively, promised to come here and keep us informed.

The voters responded and he was elected.

What else can we do, other than believe in a candidates sincerity and integrity?

It's nigh on to high time that someone on that board steps up and speaks publicly.

What a bunch of irresponsible, self-centered, self-serving idiots!!!!!

It would be nice if all of them publicly offered their resignations tonight.

Anyone interesting in putting together a public demonstration/picket line tonight?

We could call the news media. This should be more interesting that the other two things Massillon is famous for this week.


:help:

WHats the other two things? :ohno:

[Al.]

Blosser: DREAM delayed, not dead

http://www.indeonline.com/local_news/x415946872/Blosser-DREAM-delayed-not-dead

[bs.gunn]

Aren't you doing the same thing by assuming the David Family is "making demands on our school system"? What proof do you have that there are "demands"?

I don't think I said he "was" making demands. I was simply saying that if he did give buttloads of money I'm not certain that gives him, or anyone, the right to make demands on the school system.

What I was hearing from folks posting here, simplified, Davids' gave money they can do what they want. I was trying to say, no they can't.

I'm sorry if it came across otherwise

[bs.gunn]

If you haven't learned anything new, then you must be hoping for a job from VB.

If the BOE was NOT doing anything wrong, then why in H--L would they NOT want to comment to the public, to get their point out in the open. How many folks accused of some wrong doing, who always say "no comment" when questioned about the alleged wrong doing, are ever actually innocent?

Please list a couple of reasons for NOT commenting to the people that ELECTED them when they are questioned about the goings on with the BOE.

By the way, when was the last time the Massillon BOE was being investigated by the Ethics Commission? Just asking.

Perhaps there is disagreement between members, perhaps they're being investigated, and because of either they've been made to be quiet. Perhaps they're in agreement that until they get things resolved and figured out it's in the best interest of everyone to not have every person in Massillon adding their two cents.

Typically when I elect someone I give them a chance to do their job and on a board with everyone elected if something truly was horribly wrong is it not reasonable to believe that at least one of them would spill the beans.

It's my belief that they have a valid reason for keeping these meetings private. If they don't then it's also my belief that most of you will run them out of town. I'm sure they know that

[Tiger54]

Don't the taxpayers that pay the BOE salary , have a RIGHT to know what the problem is ????

I'd like to see Jeff strongarm the district into forcing a few resignations before work resumes !!

Long live the golden rule !!
You really do not know what you are talking about. I worked for the BOE for a number of years and the School Board was never paid a salary. At the time that I worked there they COULD HAVE chosen to be paid a small amount for the meetings but chose not to do so. YES, we do have a right to know what the problem is with this pitiful Board, but using the salary issue is the wrong one to use. We have a right to know what is going on but some people (not me!) voted these jokers on there. They are self-serving people who are on there for their own benefit---not our children's. If they were truly interested in the good of our students, a number of them should RESIGN. They know who they are.

[TigerLily]

It's my belief that they have a valid reason for keeping these meetings private. If they don't then it's also my belief that most of you will run them out of town. I'm sure they know that

If they DO have a valid reason for keeping everything a “secret”, then why don’t they appoint a spokesperson to address the public and give the reason. Lack of communication only fuels the rumor mill and creates more tension.

This has been going on far too long now with no explanation on anything -- hiring the superintendent, Dream, teachers, investigation. One thing after another. It’s getting out of hand. Of course we are very concerned. We, as taxpaying citizens and those who elected the Board, those who are paying the salaries of administrators, teachers and workers, deserve so much more than we are getting.

But to many in Massillon, they seem like they are taking an elitist attitude. Right now we want feedback and communication from those whom we have elected. That is surely not asking too much.

[austinsm11]

I don't think I said he "was" making demands. I was simply saying that if he did give buttloads of money I'm not certain that gives him, or anyone, the right to make demands on the school system.


Actually, I think it does. For example, would you donate millions for the dream project if you knew that the BOE wouldn't put enough money aside for the upkeep and it was falling apart in a few years?

Now I do think there is a line as far as what the person donating the money should request or demand, but it is their money. They can do what they want.

[Red50Go]

The David Foundation just contributed a staggering $1.8 million in college scholarships to (I think) 80 some Stark seniors. They "demand" they carry a full-time course load and maintain a min. gpa. Same thing. If thats wrong then dont take it, or find some other shmuck and take his money.

The only thing I see the Davids demanding are the BARE MINIMUM of stewardship - I think almost to a fault. They would like a superintendant in place and functioning/ethical boe. Oh gee how unreasonable. WE ARE TALKING SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS PEOPLE!!!

[ChronicTiger]

Yea really. We got clowns that buy a booster club gold membership and think they call the shots.......Imagine if you had many millions of dollars invested in Massillon.............I wonder how you would react to all this?

:thanx:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

I don't think I said he "was" making demands. I was simply saying that if he did give buttloads of money I'm not certain that gives him, or anyone, the right to make demands on the school system.

What I was hearing from folks posting here, simplified, Davids' gave money they can do what they want. I was trying to say, no they can't.

I'm sorry if it came across otherwise

Apparently you either did not read my post above, or were unable to comprehend it.

Do I need to explain it in simpler terms for you?

:help2:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Perhaps there is disagreement between members, perhaps they're being investigated, and because of either they've been made to be quiet. Perhaps they're in agreement that until they get things resolved and figured out it's in the best interest of everyone to not have every person in Massillon adding their two cents.

Typically when I elect someone I give them a chance to do their job and on a board with everyone elected if something truly was horribly wrong is it not reasonable to believe that at least one of them would spill the beans.

It's my belief that they have a valid reason for keeping these meetings private. If they don't then it's also my belief that most of you will run them out of town. I'm sure they know that

OK, fess up. Are you a BOE member or a friend or family member of one of them?

You are posting as an apologist for a group of people that are blatantly thumbing their noses at the citizens of our school district.

At this point it is impossible to justify an argument that there is an ounce of integrity in anyone on the board.

:argue:

[bs.gunn]

I must be in cahoots with a BoE member to use rational thinking? I LoL'd at that one

There is no argument here. Some of you are being rash and brash with your decision making. I'm merely suggesting that perhaps there is a very real and valid reason on which the events are not being made public.

It's called withholding judgment until facts are shown. I know, I know, this is a tough concept for many of you. But for the sake of sanity. TRY.

[EXECRATED]

DREAMGATE

[Indiana95]

Perceived corruption or secrecy among government officials (city and school boards) will diminish the trust from citizens, and can lead to disenchantment in the form of rebellious actions or simple apathy. I would suggest the massillionians not sit on the sideline, hoping that the secrecy surrounding the school board works out for the good. Rebellious actions are necessary in the form of citizen driven "town hall meetings", attendance in masses at SB meetings, and recalling of officials if legally feasible. Demand that city council adopt a resolution suggesting that the school board become more open to the public that it serves. Or you can just bitch and moan on MP.com and choose apathy. :thumbsdown:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

I must be in cahoots with a BoE member to use rational thinking? I LoL'd at that one


Everyone please note that he did not answer the comment, he merely sidestepped it.

Sir, I took two courses in rational thinking in my undergrad days, and what you are posting is not an example of such.

The citizens of the school district, the head of the David Foundation and the local newspaper have all called for some kind of statement to be made by this elected body of representatives.

It is understandable that they choose not to tell the world why they are unable to function.
It is neither understandable or acceptable that they refuse to come together on a public statement to release addressing why they choose to hide behind their inadequacies and obvious inabilities to function as the entity to which they asked to be elected.

If they plan to continue to arrogantly refuse to answer all the obvious questions, then they should at the very least tell us why they are refusing.

Frankly, I've known Gary Miller for quite a while and always thought that he was a man of integrity.
Sorry if my personal dissappointment in him as a man is coloring my rational thinking and causing me to be bitter.
I hate to be let down like this.

:sad:

[TigerCoach]

We Got Clowns That Buy A Booster Club Gold Membership And Think They Call The Shots.......imagine If You Had Many Millions Of Dollars Invested In Massillon.............i Wonder How You Would React To All This?

:thanx:

Post Of The Day!

[DragonTigerNemesis]

WHats the other two things? :ohno:

Two things that made national news:
A female student athlete that averages over 15,000 cell phone text messages per month.
The fact that Massillon is one of the few places in the US that you can have a team logo on your casket.
:heee:

[Benchboss1]

Very Interesting!

If Fred Blosser is speaking for the Board....it sounds as if their position is that since they entered into a contract The David Foundation is going to have to EVENTUALLY build the facility whether they like it or not.... so we ( the BOE and Administration ) can just sit back and wait.

Now there's an aggressive effort towards co-operation, communication and reconciliation if I ever heard one.

I believe that it could be called " taking the defiant approach " of we got you and there is nothing that you can do about it...so there!

Obviously, it's a lot easier than the, let's discuss this matter reasonably and work out a mutually satisfactory solution, approach that should be utilized in this extremely important matter.

Such an attitude would seem to beg for the question of what ARE the options of The David Foundation according to the signed agreement?

For Example:

1) Is there a Time Limit for completion of the project or
can the David Foundation hold out indefinitely?

2) While the David Foundation may be committed...Is
Aultman and Walsh equally contractually bound to
to the project? ( without them there is no project )

3) Does the contract, that Blosser and the BOE are apparently
hanging their hat on, specifically designate the EXACT
facility to be built....or could The David Foundation alter
the project? ( ie: Locker Room Only? )

4) Are there ANY Legal Loopholes that would permit The
David Foundation to withdraw from the Project?

It certainly sounds to me as if Jeff David and The David Foundation are being challenged to an Old Fashioned Game of Chicken ( at least by our soon to be ex-superintendent) and it will be very interesting to see who blinks first.

I do agree with Mr. Blosser that Jeff David is indeed " a man of integrity " but I also believe that he is a man of intelligence and knows exactly what he can ,and conversely, what he can not do..... and, therefore, he should and will proceed accordingly!

[sis2turftiger]

4) Are there ANY Legal Loopholes that would permit The
David Foundation to withdraw from the Project?


Aren't there always loopholes when lawyers get involved? Sorry, couldn't resist!:hyper:

[bs.gunn]

Everyone please note that he did not answer the comment, he merely sidestepped it.

I served Weinberg a drink at a party once. Does that count as being his friend or family?

I agree with indiana. If you folks are so up in arms. Take it to the BoE meetings. That's what's been suggested here and encouraged in local politics.

Ask your questions there and get your answers from those that should be answering.

[Mass6]

I served Weinberg a drink at a party once. Does that count as being his friend or family?

I agree with indiana. If you folks are so up in arms. Take it to the BoE meetings. That's what's been suggested here and encouraged in local politics.

Ask your questions there and get your answers from those that should be answering.

Or get walked around in circles until they go behind "closed doors"

[Kamd50]

We all know that "they" come here and read what is going on in the mind's of Massillon's citizens, yet they choose to keep quiet and remain anonymous for the most part. If they won't answer here, they aren't going to answer you face to face either.

[sis2turftiger]

We all know that "they" come here and read what is going on in the mind's of Massillon's citizens, yet they choose to keep quiet and remain anonymous for the most part. If they won't answer here, they aren't going to answer you face to face either.

So true, but at least face-to-face you could see whatever reaction they would have. Unless, of course, they have a really good poker face. :blues:

[CATS44]

A rational explanation?

We havent had one rational explanation for any of of a series of what appear to be unrational decisions made over the course of several years.

This isnt a new situation. Only the details have changed.

IMO it is rational to want and expect a rational explanation of what is going on behind all those closed doors. IMO it is rational to expect those elected officials who had no problem promising us all kind of things when they were asking for our vote to communicate with us AFTER we gave it to them.

IMO it is irrational to want or expect otherwise.

Voters get what they ask for and we are no exception. We didnt ask the hard questions and demand answers before we voted these folks in. We bought five pigs in a poke.

And while it is rational that we are now unhappy with the results, it is irrational that we expected otherwise.

[Tiger Flame]

And the beat goes on and the beat goes on. Somebody please make it stop. GO TIGERS---We got a hornets nest with no end in sight.

[Benchboss1]

I agree with indiana. If you folks are so up in arms. Take it to the BoE meetings. That's what's been suggested here and encouraged in local politics.

Ask your questions there and get your answers from those that should be answering.


Your idea of going to the BOE meetings and asking them questions face to face is great in theory, although a bit lacking in practicality.

I have witnessed first hand what happens when the BOE expects/feels heat from the public. The first thing they try to do is limit the number of folks who can speak. The second thing they do is use some form of "that is our business and we do not have to tell you anything about it". Basically they are chicken SH-T!!!

[Benchboss1]

Perhaps there is disagreement between members, perhaps they're being investigated, and because of either they've been made to be quiet. Perhaps they're in agreement that until they get things resolved and figured out it's in the best interest of everyone to not have every person in Massillon adding their two cents.

Typically when I elect someone I give them a chance to do their job and on a board with everyone elected if something truly was horribly wrong is it not reasonable to believe that at least one of them would spill the beans.

It's my belief that they have a valid reason for keeping these meetings private. If they don't then it's also my belief that most of you will run them out of town. I'm sure they know that

By the way, you neglected to answer the question about when the last time the Massillon BOE was investigated by the Ohio Ethics Commission.

[Banks]

Anyone have any idea just how long the investigation should take ?

[Mass311]

“The Massillon Board of Education has taken some unfair shots,” he said. “We’ve had our ethics questioned, our morals questioned and that’s totally unfair. A good 85 percent of the stuff that’s said is untrue.”- Hannon



http://www.indeonline.com/local_news/x390619753/Hannon-Board-rumors-are-false

This entire article is a joke, and just plain embarrasing for the city of Massillon. All I know is, if 15% of what is on this board is correct, then they should all just quit now.

[Kamd50]

red50go is right on.. to add to it.. according to one board emmber, this current board should be fired!..they are self serving and have NO INTEREST IN THE KIDS.. (The guy was really pissed, and I can't blame him).

tv

TV, could you please tell us who this one board member is who said this? If he said it, then it should be no secret. It might give us at least a little bit of faith in one of them at least.

[DAWGH8R]

Massillon has NO chance to pass any kind of levy, as long as the current board is in place.

[Red50Go]

Very Interesting!

If Fred Blosser is speaking for the Board....it sounds as if their position is that since they entered into a contract The David Foundation is going to have to EVENTUALLY build the facility whether they like it or not.... so we ( the BOE and Administration ) can just sit back and wait.

Now there's an aggressive effort towards co-operation, communication and reconciliation if I ever heard one.


Benchboss, that is how I read the article too. Arrogant and ungrateful. I have never heard anyone address such a large doner or charity that way in any walk of life. I didn't respond yesterday because I was too flabbergasted...still am.

Kinda odd to hear a guy talk about integrity and keeping his word after all the stuff HE promised when hired. What a joke this has become.

[Red50Go]

“The Massillon Board of Education has taken some unfair shots,” he said. “We’ve had our ethics questioned, our morals questioned and that’s totally unfair. A good 85 percent of the stuff that’s said is untrue.”- Hannon



http://www.indeonline.com/local_news/x390619753/Hannon-Board-rumors-are-false

This entire article is a joke, and just plain embarrasing for the city of Massillon. All I know is, if 15% of what is on this board is correct, then they should all just quit now.

Agreed on both counts. Here is a chance for he and the other board members to put their money where their mouth is. Fair or not, DREAM and the LEVY are in peril and they should leave, because they are only hurting, not helping, the kids of Massillon at this point.

But the thought of MF sliding up to interim, or heaven forbid permanent, superintendent frights the bejesus out of me. If you are going to clean house then CLEAN HOUSE. Thats the only way it works.

[The Voice]

Kamd; Those coments were made by M.W.

tv

[DB135]

http://www.massillon.sparcc.org/index.php?page=board-minutes

[MTigers006]

Two things that made national news:
A female student athlete that averages over 15,000 cell phone text messages per month.
The fact that Massillon is one of the few places in the US that you can have a team logo on your casket.
:heee:

I was only aware of the latter one. As for the second she must be VERY popular. lol

[The Voice]

According to sources within the Jackson system, C. Diloreto has no problems with Massillon, he changed his mind because he wants to position himself to take over as Superintndent of Jackson Schools when the current Supt. retires in 2 years.

tv

[MTigers006]

According to sources within the Jackson system, C. Diloreto has no problems with Massillon, he changed his mind because he wants to position himself to take over as Superintndent of Jackson Schools when the current Supt. retires in 2 years.

tv

If he has no problem with Massillon then why did he do what he did to us TWICE, and go to Jackson TWICE. Whats wrong with being Super here. Whats so special about Jackson for him to go back to them TWICE! He is a liar just like the rest of them.

COMPLETE OVERHAUL. Thats the only way this mess can and will be fixed.

[austinsm11]

According to sources within the Jackson system, C. Diloreto has no problems with Massillon, he changed his mind because he wants to position himself to take over as Superintndent of Jackson Schools when the current Supt. retires in 2 years.

tv

Interesting. But, he didn't know that the current Jackson superintendent would only be staying a few more years when he originally agreed to accept the Massillon job?

Unless maybe he was promised the Jackson job after he already accepted the Massillon job.

[Benchboss1]

Pardon me....while I try to get some facts clear in my head.

According to our current BOE President 85% of the public's concerns are rumors and/or inaccurate.

Unfortunately, he doesn't go into any detail regarding the issues in general, or for that matter, which issues are inaccurate and which issues are among the apparent 15% that are accurate and justified.

Instead, he devotes the entire interview merely repeating the statement that 85% of the publics concerns are rumors and/or inaccurate without any specifics or detailed explanations for his position.

He also says that he doesn't believe that it is necessary for the BOE to meet with The David Foundation. Apparently, he agrees with the Superintendent's Position that sooner or later they will have to complete the project..... and it will matter little whether they like it or not!

Meanwhile, our incoming BOE President apparently tells the local newspaper reporter that he doesn't have time to discuss anything and that the reporter should schedule a future appointment with his Assistant.

How's that for co-operation and keeping the public informed?

What in the world is going on here? Do they honestly expect the public to vote for a levy in November without any information regarding issues such as:

1) Why is it apparently going to take 5 or 6 months to find
a Superintendent.....when Northwest was able to do it in
5 DAYS?

2) Why, if we have financial problems, are we spending $7,000
to $10,000 to hire a company to locate prospective
candidates when The Stark County Board of Education will
perform the same service for.....FREE?

3) Wouldn't a prospective candidate be more willing to leave
his/her current position in the summer rather than after school
begins for the 2008/2009 School Year?

4) Wouldn't that give the school that the candidate is leaving
a better opportunity to finding their replacement...or don't we
care about that?

5) Is there a possibility that we may have PROMOTE an internal
"Interm Candidate" rather than hire an outside candidate due
to any of the above circumstances?

6) Is there any concern that the public and/or The David
Foundation may not favor or agree with such an arrangement
or again........doesn't that matter?

These are just a few of the concerns that I am sure that the voters of Massillon, as well as The David Foundation, would like to have answered
BEFORE we are asked to vote for a levy... or in the case of the Foundation proceed with their investment. Is it really too much to ask?

I am sure that The Independent, as well as the posters on this forum have additional pertinent questions....but at least these would represent a small step in the right direction.

As with The David Foundation, we also have a right to know exactly who will be the stewards of our tax dollars before we vote them into effect for the next several years.

In closing, I realize that, in your eyes, I will be considered a trouble maker....
however, in reality I am merely trying help resolve what appears to be some very serious issues by encouraging you to communicate with your employers, the VOTERS of Massillon, so that we can have open dialogue and ultimately reach decisions that truly benefit the students of our great city!

I would, however, like to make one final suggestion that, while it may sound facetious, is actually ment to be a serious suggestion.

I noticed that when we hired Al Paris as a Superintendent....he proceeded to hire several Administrators from his previous District of Tuslaw.

When we hired Al Hennon, he proceeded to hire several Administrators from his previous District of Fairless.

And finally when we hired Fred Blosser, for our Superintendet's Position, he added some Canton Administrators to our staff.

Perhaps just perhaps, and I'm being serious here, it's time for us to consider

A Massillom Man for the Position who will perhaps
hire some Massillon Administrators who will actually
care about the City of Massillon and our Children!

You co-operation in considering the above would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

[reofan82]

The BOE is a joke. Each need to turn in their resignations. I know at least three out of the five have close relatives working in the district. They allow the outgoing Supt. to bring in friends from his Canton days. The "good old boy" network is alive and well. The BOE President says that 85% of what you here is just rumor, but he and the other board members decline to face the public in a constructive way. Why do they not conduct open sessions or publicly address these concerns at a special board meeting? It seems either they have something to hide or they feel they are above accountability to the citizens of Massillon. Either way, they need to go.

[MTigers006]

Pardon me....while I try to get some facts clear in my head.

According to our current BOE President 85% of the public's concerns are rumors and/or inaccurate.

Unfortunately, he doesn't go into any detail regarding the issues in general, or for that matter, which issues are inaccurate and which issues are among the apparent 15% that are accurate and justified.

Instead, he devotes the entire interview merely repeating the statement that 85% of the publics concerns are rumors and/or inaccurate without any specifics or detailed explanations for his position.

He also says that he doesn't believe that it is necessary for the BOE to meet with The David Foundation. Apparently, he agrees with the Superintendent's Position that sooner or later they will have to complete the project..... and it will matter little whether they like it or not!

Meanwhile, our incoming BOE President apparently tells the local newspaper reporter that he doesn't have time to discuss anything and that the reporter should schedule a future appointment with his Assistant.

How's that for co-operation and keeping the public informed?

What in the world is going on here? Do they honestly expect the public to vote for a levy in November without any information regarding issues such as:

1) Why is it apparently going to take 5 or 6 months to find
a Superintendent.....when Northwest was able to do it in
5 DAYS?

2) Why, if we have financial problems, are we spending $7,000
to $10,000 to hire a company to locate prospective
candidates when The Stark County Board of Education will
perform the same service for.....FREE?

3) Wouldn't a prospective candidate be more willing to leave
his/her current position in the summer rather than after school
begins for the 2008/2009 School Year?

4) Wouldn't that give the school that the candidate is leaving
a better opportunity to finding their replacement...or don't we
care about that?

5) Is there a possibility that we may have PROMOTE an internal
"Interm Candidate" rather than hire an outside candidate due
to any of the above circumstances?

6) Is there any concern that the public and/or The David
Foundation may not favor or agree with such an arrangement
or again........doesn't that matter?

These are just a few of the concerns that I am sure that the voters of Massillon, as well as The David Foundation, would like to have answered
BEFORE we are asked to vote for a levy... or in the case of the Foundation proceed with their investment. Is it really too much to ask?

I am sure that The Independent, as well as the posters on this forum have additional pertinent questions....but at least these would represent a small step in the right direction.

As with The David Foundation, we also have a right to know exactly who will be the stewards of our tax dollars before we vote them into effect for the next several years.

In closing, I realize that, in your eyes, I will be considered a trouble maker....
however, in reality I am merely trying help resolve what appears to be some very serious issues by encouraging you to communicate with your employers, the VOTERS of Massillon, so that we can have open dialogue and ultimately reach decisions that truly benefit the students of our great city!

I would, however, like to make one final suggestion that, while it may sound facetious, is actually ment to be a serious suggestion.

I noticed that when we hired Al Paris as a Superintendent....he proceeded to hire several Administrators from his previous District of Tuslaw.

When we hired Al Hennon, he proceeded to hire several Administrators from his previous District of Fairless.

And finally when we hired Fred Blosser, for our Superintendet's Position, he added some Canton Administrators to our staff.

Perhaps just perhaps, and I'm being serious here, it's time for us to consider

A Massillom Man for the Position who will perhaps
hire some Massillon Administrators who will actually
care about the City of Massillon and our Children!

You co-operation in considering the above would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Not that it will happen, but I know the perfect guy for the Super job or as interim Super. His name is: Butch Hose

[Red50Go]

You are not a trouble maker Benchboss. The BOE and Adm. created this mess themselves, and you make very good points, some glaringly obvious. As a Massillonian I am embarrassed.

Fortner can act clueless (which may not be an act). Blosser can act like he has a gun to the Foundation's head, an INCREDIBLE insult! And the BOE can act like everything is fine. And when the levy fails and we cut student services, jobs, pay, and teachers, I am sure they will all look in the mirror and say oh well, not my fault, and sleep like a baby because not one of them has a stake in this town or gives a crap about anyone but themselves. The whole crew needs run out!

[sis2turftiger]

Perhaps just perhaps, and I'm being serious here, it's time for us to consider

A Massillon Man for the Position who will perhaps
hire some Massillon Administrators who will actually
care about the City of Massillon and our Children!

You co-operation in considering the above would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Hey! Why not a Massillon Woman?? :poke:

[Benchboss1]

Hey! Why not a Massillon Woman?? :poke:

I Stand Corrected and I Apologize!

My statemate should have been.....A Massillon Person for a Massillon Position
who will hire some Massillon Administrators who will Actually Care About the
City of Massillon and our Children!

Thank You for Pointing Out My Error......I Truly Appreciate It!!!!!

[sis2turftiger]

I Stand Corrected and I Apologize!

My statemate should have been.....A Massillon Person for a Massillon Position
who will hire some Massillon Administrators who will Actually Care About the
City of Massillon and our Children!

Thank You for Pointing Out My Error......I Truly Appreciate It!!!!!

Apology accepted!

[CarlE]

Apology accepted!

WOW!! She got you there, BB1!!! LOL.

[MichiganMike]

Perceived corruption or secrecy among government officials (city and school boards) will diminish the trust from citizens, and can lead to disenchantment in the form of rebellious actions or simple apathy. I would suggest the massillionians not sit on the sideline, hoping that the secrecy surrounding the school board works out for the good. Rebellious actions are necessary in the form of citizen driven "town hall meetings", attendance in masses at SB meetings, and recalling of officials if legally feasible. Demand that city council adopt a resolution suggesting that the school board become more open to the public that it serves. Or you can just bitch and moan on MP.com and choose apathy. :thumbsdown:

I totally agree with you here. I was a BOE trustee in the district I now reside here in Michigan. The BOE has very clear guidelines dictated by the State BOE (City has no jursdiction over a school BOE) for how they are to function. Everything they are working on and discuss as a board is public knowledge, with the exception of employee\student discipline issues, contract negotiations, or legal issues deemed confidential by their lawyers or the courts. Plus, there is a very clear process for removing a trustee, similar to the process to install a trustee. So if you feel your trustees are not "trusting", then get them the heck out of there.

If the BOE is being hush hush on an issue, they must provide you a clear reason for why they cannot discuss the issue. What I found many times with being a trustee was, we did discuss alot of matters during open meetings, but we constantly were accused of being secretive. I found people mainly wait for information to be hand feed to them via the media, instead of taking the initiative to get the information they want from the BOE trustees directly. Our BOE was always open with all community members. I always responded to emails, phone calls, and had one on one meetings with concerned parents when people took the initiative to do so.

I am not defending this BOE, but just stating that there could be information out there, but it just isn't in the Independent. One thing that does bother me about your BOE is, when you go to their webpage on the district website, there is a glaring lack of information. You have a really nice picture with their names, but how the heck do you contact these people???? You all voted to place these people on the board to oversee operations, but yet they sure do not make it easy to contact them when you have a question.

You all are blessed with a gift, I hope you sort this out soon! My GOD, a $4 million indoor practice facility and locker rooms?? We had to scroung $1.3 million to build a new 4,000 seat stadium with a (don't laugh) "natural" turf field.

Massillon ROCKS!

[DAWGH8R]

With the departure of VB's spouse, does that only leave VB and 2 other family members on the payroll ???


*EDITED*

I didn't know he got off from the Union scam money caper. WOW !! That is why he needed a new job isn't it ????

[Banks]

With the departure of VB's (felony ?) convicted spouse, does that only leave VB and 2 other family members on the payroll ???


Better watch your wording, the spouse was never convicted of anything , nor charged.

Speaking of lawsuits

Anyone know anything about this:
2008CV01795 JENNY DOE ETC VS MASSILLON CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT ET AL

[DAWGH8R]

Better watch your wording, the spouse was never convicted of anything , nor charged.



Edited my original post. If he was never even charged, I need to start using his lawyer !!

[sis2turftiger]

Speaking of lawsuits

Anyone know anything about this:
2008CV01795 JENNY DOE ETC VS MASSILLON CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT ET AL

Looking at the court's website and who is listed as parties to the lawsuit, it looks to be something to do with the teacher that was fired?? I believe he was a middle school teacher, so maybe that's what it is.

[Banks]

Looking at the court's website and who is listed as parties to the lawsuit, it looks to be something to do with the teacher that was fired?? I believe he was a middle school teacher, so maybe that's what it is.

It is a Jane Doe and Jenny Doe lawsuit , so it is a female.

[sis2turftiger]

It is a Jane Doe and Jenny Doe lawsuit , so it is a female.

I guess I should have been more specific...I believe the lawsuit is being brought by the parents of the middle school student (female) who was involved. I think if it was the teacher that was suing the district, they would have listed his name...as he's not a minor.

[austinsm11]

I'm guessing it is the Jenny Doe along with Jane Doe who have had lawsuits in earlier years?

sis2turftiger, if what you said is the case, does it seem strange that there are earlier lawsuits from them. Could this have been going on for several years? I wouldn't think so, but who knows.