stuebenville

[mike_da_man13]

some of our friends down south by the river are trying to get a petition together to get massillon back on the schedule and i was wondering if we could do the same thing!
for those of you who have not yet seen stuebenville play it's really something else great teams and great fans what more could you ask for? big reds stadium can hold all the massillon visitors and they would sell all their tickets up here aswell! did i mention that they have a fire breathing horse???:ohno:

i say dump iggy, ursuline or team canada/dc and sign them up!

[ChronicTiger]

a petition? I doubt it.....

[mike_da_man13]

a petition? I doubt it.....

why not? it's a big money maker right now and they believe they will be better than us this season

[tiger embalmer]

A Steubenville- Massillon game will never, NEVER happen again. I have been trying to make that game happen for at least the last four years now. I have gotten every excuse to why the game won't happen, from it's Massillon’s fault the game won't happen; it's Steubenville fault that the game won't happen, one's school didn't like who was running things at another school and so on and so on. The bottom line is this. Massillon hasn't played Steubenville since 1978 and that will be the last time they play un less Massillon gets moved down to Division II and Steubenville gets moved up to Division II. To have a great team like Steubenville come in to Massillon and possible beat Massillon would not only show that things aren't being taken care correctly in Massillon but it would prove it. What am I talking about. How about the fact Steubenville football players don't end up in a police report, or get suspended or have grade problems. And I don’t mean Johnnie can’t get an A in Algebra, but Johnnie can read beyond a five grade reading level. They are role models on and off the field and are all a class act. How about the fact that, that the school (Steubenville) put a coach in there and let HIM run the program and over the years has built it up to what it is now. Which is two state titles in three years with three appearances in the state championship game in the last three years and only five losses in the last six years. It took time for all of that to happened -and the proof is in the pudding. Here we have a complete 180. Players are on the front page of the papers for rape, and petty crime, we have a coaching staff that better do as they are told by the School board and those with the deep pockets. We don't want to build a program. We want to win a championship NOW! And the sad fact is if Jason Hall doesn't win a state title in the next three years the town of Massillon will boot him out too. It would make since to have a Coach that is making the decisions for the team and doing what he knows it best. We need to do just what Steubenville has do over the last several years, Understand that winning a state title isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. It takes time, hard work, determination and discipline on and off the field. Not just from the players but, from the fans, the school board the deep pockets of Massillon and the entire Massillon Football family. Playing Steubenville will not only be another game to play, but it will be a up front in your face of what the city of Massillon can become.

I believe in Massillon I know that Massillon can become the great football team it once was like in the 50’s and I want to see it happen, but I know it will take time and I’m willing to wait and let it happen the right way the will be a beacon of Ohio, not just Massillon.

Win or Lose Massillon Always

[Rushfan]

They wanna play us because their freshman team really took it to us last season. So what? Sign 'em.

[giant lugey]

Do their fans still throw stones at busses?

[Kamd50]

They wanna play us because their freshman team really took it to us last season. So what? Sign 'em.

That freshmen team of theirs looked more like a JV team, just saying..........
But yea, bring 'em! Tigers = Fearless:rockon:

As far as the notion that their kids are so superior to ours, I have serious doubts about that. How do you know if any of their players have never been in a police report, or in trouble, or suspended, and are perfect role models? I have a hard time swallowing that one for any group of highschool teenagers. Just because you don't personally know about it, doesn't mean that things haven't occured. Give me a break.

And while you're at it, give OUR Tigers a break, also! Let's be perfectly clear, there was ONE (now previous player) that was in the headlines involved in the rape/sex scandal last year. Who wasn't even a true Tiger to begin with in any way, shape , or form.

SUPPORT our team and Coach Hall

[CATS44]

If it was my choice, we would play Steubenville whenever they thought they had the horses to play us. What we need is more games with atmosphere, more games that will draw the big crowds, more games that will be talked about for twelve months BEFORE they get played.

Outside of McKinley, of course, I cant think of a matchup that would provide all of that any better than the Tigers vs the Big Red. Both stadiums are shrines to HS football. The atmospheres at both stadiums would be electric, beyond anything we have seen in the regular season for years.

And if it was up to me, both bands would come out and strut their stuff before the game, like it used to be done.

Of course, it isnt up to me, nor should it be. It is Coach Halls decision, and I am behind it either way.

But rest assured, the Big Red want to play us home and home in 2009 and 2010, and are willing to give us options on dates and on which year we want the home game. Steubenville isnt doing it for the pay days. They are doing it because they feel very good about their chances.

Personally, I wouldnt want it any other way.

[CarlE]

Gosh I couldn't agree with this post any more than if I'd written it myself!!! Let's get Big Red and the schedule and let it ROLL!!

[freddy g]

I understand the big crowds and all that. But why should we schedule them every ten years when they feel they have a dominant team? They will do the same thing that Dover did.

Stupidville is far from a model team too. Did you not see the championship game two years ago? Every time the one WR scored he would turn and taunt the other teams players and fans. I guess showing poor sportsmanship is a trait of a role model.

They were once one of the top teams in the state, now their in D-4. That's like saying Massillon, McK, or WGH would dominate D-4. DUH!!!!! Last year in D-4 after droping down from D-3, they didn't even go to the championship game.

[freddy g]

I would however love to see the tradition started up again. I just don't think we need to go out of our way to get them on the schedule.

[CATS44]

I dont understand the reference to Dover, but Id love to get out of Steubenville what we got out of Dover...16,000 fans and 36.5 computer points.

I doubt we could match that attendance but a win over Steubenville is usually worth well over 50 points.

And looking at our present schedule, Steubenville, even though a D4, would kick the behinds of six/seven of our opponents and bring a whole lot more fans than all but McKinley.

[CATS44]

We dont have to go out of our way.

All we have to do is say yes.

[warren1st]

Outside of McKinley, of course, I cant think of a matchup that would provide all of that any better than the Tigers vs the Big Red. Both stadiums are shrines to HS football. The atmospheres at both stadiums would be electric, beyond anything we have seen in the regular season for years.

And if it was up to me, both bands would come out and strut their stuff before the game, like it used to be done.



More than Warren Harding and Mollenkopf Stadium? I hardly think so.

[warren1st]

Steubenville, even though a D4, would kick the behinds of six/seven of our opponents and bring a whole lot more fans than all but McKinley.

More than WGH?? C'mon CATS!!

OK. Possibly Warren didn't travel well last year but that was very, very bad team. How soon we forget!:doh:

[freddy g]

I dont understand the reference to Dover, but Id love to get out of Steubenville what we got out of Dover...16,000 fans and 36.5 computer points.

I referenced Dover as playing us once and getting the tar kicked out of them. Then backing out the next year. I could be wrong, but didn't Coach Ifft state that, "We didn't plan on playing that good of a Massillon team. So we really don't want to play them again next year." Quote may not be exact, but that's along the lines of what I remember reading.

Like I said, I would love to see us renew our rivalry with them. Just don't see it happening. Kind of like wishing that the old AAC would get back together. But I'd love to be proven wrong.

[TigerVic]

More than Warren Harding and Mollenkopf Stadium? I hardly think so.


Warren1st,

We usually don't like to think about Mollenkopf Stdium any more than we have to!

[CATS44]

Sorry, W1, but if I have a choice between Mollenkopf and Harding Stadium, I choose Harding.

That damned fire breathing horse is something that nobody else can match.

But Steubenville doesnt have anything like the BV.

And Warren doesnt travel nearly as well as Steubenville.

Dont get me wrong. Im adamant that WGH is our second biggest rival to you know who....and Im adamant that WGH should be on our schedule every year, even when we go into the Fed (LOL).

But for fan support and atmosphere, a two game series with Steubenville every now and then tops just about anything else I can think of.

I will buy you a ticket to our (hopeful) game at Steubenville, if you bring the Greek chicken...lol.

[CATS44]

freddy: No offense to you...or Dover. But Dover is no Steubenville....and Ifft isnt Reno.

Steubenville doesnt back down to anybody. If Reno makes the deal, he will stick with it...and his team wont roll over.

[pigskinmccarthy]

More than Warren Harding and Mollenkopf Stadium? I hardly think so.

Mollenkopf is a dump.

[CATS44]

Mollenkopf is beautiful, esp with the new turf and scoreboard.

But Harding is a shrine.

[crazysob04]

when i was in high school i thought mollenkopf was the toughest stadium we ever played in. it was very loud, and just coming out onto the field for warmups next to their student section would get you pelted with trash and plastic bottles. also, got to play a JV game at harding stadium. other than the officiating it was a pretty nice field.

[warren1st]

Mollenkopf is a dump.

Hey, thanks for the compliment! I think you'll change your mind when you come over this fall.

[mike_da_man13]

Hey, thanks for the compliment! I think you'll change your mind when you come over this fall.

im not 100% certain but i think he goes to hoover?

[Striker300]

I don't think too many of you remember the trouble in Steubenville in the late 60's early 70's that put the wedge between these programs. And mostly not us, because it happened in Steubenville! Then in the late 70's we stopped playing them by their decision! They had lost so much enrollment that they could not compete against us, repeated losses year after year was not good on their program. They pulled out to get lower competition more equal to what they were fielding. We did not pull out of the series, they did, same with Alliance and Niles. Why should we pursue taking a step backward?
If they want to play us that bad, they will pursue this a lot harder, which I suspect will not happen, for fear of embarrassment again! As high as they have built themselves up, why would you take the chance of being knocked down again by Massillon?

[CATS44]

Striker: I can assure you that Steubenville is more than willing to play us in 2009 and 2010.

[Striker300]

Then let them, the choice has always been up to them, so if they want to play us, why not? Its not like we aren't always looking for someone to fill our schedule, we are Massillon, sometimes in the past, and present, its been hard to find someone willing to play! If they really wanted to play us so much there have been several times in the past few years we have had a hard time filling out our schedule, why didn't they step up then? Yes, it would have to be on the week we need to fill, but , then again, they are the ones who want to play so bad, now, stressing the NOW, aren't they? I really tend to believe that if they wanted to play us that bad it would have already happened, blow the smoke somewhere else!

[WeirFootball]

"Stupidville is far from a model team too. Did you not see the championship game two years ago? Every time the one WR scored he would turn and taunt the other teams players and fans. I guess showing poor sportsmanship is a trait of a role model."

That was because Ketterring Alter's players were talking trash the whole game. He only taunted Kettering Alter on one touchdown and then Reno handled the situation.

"They were once one of the top teams in the state, now their in D-4. That's like saying Massillon, McK, or WGH would dominate D-4. DUH!!!!! Last year in D-4 after droping down from D-3, they didn't even go to the championship game."

It doesn't matter what division that they're in. They didn't win the championship last year because they met up with a great Youngstown Cardinal Mooney team that had around 5-6 division one football players. Last year was a down year for Big Red and they still went 10-0 in the regular season for the fifth consecutive year and advanced to the regional finals. They are going to be division 3 again in 2009 if I'm not mistaken. This is their year to win yet another state championship led by QB Dwight Macon and FB/LB Branko Busick who committed to continue his academic and athletic career at WVU. Macon is only going to be a junior and is already getting recruited by OSU. Massillon and Steubenville are two extraordinary football towns with two of the best fan followings in all of OH. Massillon Paul Brown Tiger Stadium and Harding Stadium are second to none. I think this would be a very good series for both schools and would get a lot of attendance from fans of other teams from all over OH and WV. I know I would make sure to attend every game in the series whether the game is in Steubenville or Massillon and I didn't go to either school.

[Rushfan]

Nice compliment,Weir. Come up for a game anytime,you're always welcome.

[WeirFootball]

I've been to Massillon Paul Brown Tiger Stadium twice. I went to DC Woodson game and the McKinley game in 2006. The McKinley game was awsome. I stayed until the end even though it was pooring down rain and was so glad the Tigers won the game. Tiger Stadium is by far the nicest HS football stadium I've ever been to and the support the city of Massillon shows their football program is unbelievable. Good luck to the Tigers this season and I hope that a rivalry with Big Red can be renewed. The atmosphere at a game like that would be electric. Steubenville and Massillon sure take football serious and I think it would be beneficial for both schools to start a series again. My dad has told me how great the All American Conference was.

[npaflas]

I've been to Massillon Paul Brown Tiger Stadium twice. I went to DC Woodson game and the McKinley game in 2006. The McKinley game was awsome. I stayed until the end even though it was pooring down rain and was so glad the Tigers won the game. Tiger Stadium is by far the nicest HS football stadium I've ever been to and the support the city of Massillon shows their football program is unbelievable. Good luck to the Tigers this season and I hope that a rivalry with Big Red can be renewed. The atmosphere at a game like that would be electric. Steubenville and Massillon sure take football serious and I think it would be beneficial for both schools to start a series again. My dad has told me how great the All American Conference was. I think the stadium look better back in the 70's when the stadium held over 20,000 people.

[CATS44]

Striker: I am typing this s-l-o-w-l-y in order to help you out.

Steubenville and Massillon have multiple mutual open dates in 2009 and 2010, or at least they had them when this thread began.

Steubenville has offered to play the Tigers on either of two dates in both years, and they have given Massillon the option of which year we would rather play at home.

Steubenville has done everything that it can, now it is up to Massillon to accept, decline, or totally ignore.

[Striker300]

Look, Cats, your condescending, superior attitude is b.s. If all you can do is talk down to people why don't you keep it to yourself. Now, back to the matter at hand, in THE PAST there have been many times when Big Red could have stood tall and proud and stepped up to the table. Now you say they are so interested to play in the future, well, like most other teams, they only now are stepping up because they expect a couple of premier years out of their team. Say what you want Cats, the proof is in all the years past, since the rivalry was ended, when they could have stepped up and did not do so! You are backing a losing argument! Now if you are so quick to jump on the Big Red Bandwagon, why don't you start by changing your handle to BigRed44, or better yet, HorseDung44, or even Scat44! You and your pals at another well known statewide FB site all have the same problem, you are a bunch of blindly led BIG RED HUDDLERS! I agree with you on one point, I would love to see Massillon play Steubenville again, to put to rest the thought that this Div.4 team can compete with us, because they can't, and it would be shown, for all to see!

[Striker300]

Oh yes, also, don't get me wrong, I respect everything Steubenville has done with their program in the last 30 years! They had a great tradition to start with and have only built on it and made it better! But again, they are now D-4 and way out of their league to play us at this point, and the only reason they have to play us is they expect a great team over the next few years and they want some real recognition to hang their hats on, thus if they won, or kept it close, they would get that recognition! Now why should Massillon want to step into this type of game? What would the benefits be for us to beat a D-4 team? What about if we lost by chance? I didn't say it wasn't possible! The fact is, there is no good reason for us to pursue this type of game. Teams always want to schedule us in their up years, proving that we are the measuring stick! If you want to play, offer scheduling during their bad years also, but that isn't going to happen, losses to Massillon doom your season!

[MTigers006]

Stubenville doesnt have the testicular fortitude to come up here and play us. They arent men enough. Thats why they have been down there shaking in thier shoes. LOL

In all seriousness I would love to see this game happen and a resulting home and home series. Go Tigers.

[tiger embalmer]

Talking about Massillon and Stuebenville playing is like talking about world peace.

You can talk about it all you want but, it isn't going to happen

[MTigers006]

Talking about Massillon and Stuebenville playing is like talking about world peace.

You can talk about it all you want but, it isn't going to happen

Because they dont have the "guts". Neither does thier coach or administration.

"To be the man, You have to BEAT the man !" - Ric Flair

[CarlE]

Because they dont have the "guts". Neither does thier coach or administration.

"To be the man, You have to BEAT the man !" - Ric Flair

Pleeeeeeeeeease. They would play us tomorrow. This is a ludicrous statement.

[DAWGH8R]

But again, they are now D-4 and way out of their league to play us at this point,

I hope people don't say this about us , when we are playing DII football. The BIG RED has NO CONTROL over what their male enrollment is.

The way the '07 Tigers played, I wouldn't have counted ANY game as a 'shoe-in' !!:gotigers:

[WeirFootball]

Like I said before, Massillon has a very good football program. However, Steubenville is not like any other Div. 4 team and I think they're going to be Div. 3 again in the next few years. I don't know anything about Masillon's team for next year or the year after, however the team better be ready to play one of the best teams in the state regardless of division if they schedule Big Red. They have one of the best LB's in the state in Branko Busick and QB Dwight Macon is already a divsion one prospect and he's only going to be a junior. I saw both Massillon and Big Red play in 2006 when Big Red won their second consecutive Div. 3 state title and Big Red would have won by 14 if they would have played that year. This year's team could be as good as that team, if not better. I have been hearing how good this year's team would be since the 2005 season. Also, Big Red isn't scared to schedule ANYONE, and remember I'm not a graduate of Big Red. I just know how good their program is and what their mentality is when scheduling teams. They aren't afraid of any team.

[Death Valley]

Thanks for the kind words Weirfootball. You pretty much summed up everything I was about to write. Hello to the Tiger Nation. Big Red has a ton of respect for Massillon which goes back to the old AAC days. A series between Big Red and Massillon would be one of, if not the biggest, games in the State of Ohio. Not too many teams in state bring the same fire and passion for football as Steubenville and Massillon. Heres hoping that the powers that be get it done.

[CATS44]

Striker: Your attitude is duly noted for everybody to see.

You KNOW that a D4 can not play with the Tigers? You KNOW that for SURE?

REALLY SURE?

How about a D5?

Well, last year a D5 came into PBTS without their all state RB, and put up a pretty good fight...and Steubenville would have blown that team out of the water.

[Striker300]

Beleive me Cats, I'd love to see them play! But again you want to make reference to them wanting to play us NOW! What about all the years they wouldn't? Answer please! You can't, because there are no excuses! They only want to play now thinking they have more of a chance than before! If you remember the AAC broke up because Steubenville, Niles and Alliance were shrinking and losing to all other AAC teams every year through the 70's, so they wanted out to schedule teams more along their competitive lines as per enrollment size! You can't even begin to think we would be afraid to play them! Sure, Reno's a great coach, and if they had that kind of coaching in the 70's they might not have lost so much in enrollment, again, not our problem! We are already established and have nothing to prove, so the only good this does is for Steubenville, not us! They get the recognition if they win, and we get the I told you so's from all the naysayers! If we win, everyone says big deal, we should have won, get it now? And by the way, what attitude would that be, being a Tigers fan and not necessarily a Big Red fan? I'm from Massillon, not Steubenville, if you choose to be their Big Red fan, than do so, but don't accuse me of not being true to my Alma Mater! And CarlE, i agree they would play us tomorrow, but that doesn't mean they would win, or stand a chance to, and not that they wouldn't either, who's to say? But this doesn't mean its a good game for Massillon to take, like I said, no gain for us either way.

[MTigers006]

Thanks for the kind words Weirfootball. You pretty much summed up everything I was about to write. Hello to the Tiger Nation. Big Red has a ton of respect for Massillon which goes back to the old AAC days. A series between Big Red and Massillon would be one of, if not the biggest, games in the State of Ohio. Not too many teams in state bring the same fire and passion for football as Steubenville and Massillon. Heres hoping that the powers that be get it done.

Death Valley I wanted to clear up that I was poking fun at you guys earlier, not trashing you. I have much respect for the Big Red ! Best of Luck in 2008 !

[Striker300]

And, Cats, you want to bring Ursuline into it, well both Ursuline and Big Red lost to Mooney. Now in the Big Red-Mooney game it was 28-0 Mooney at the half. In the Ursuline-Mooney game it was 21-6 Mooney at the half. Now how sure are YOU that they would have " blown that team out of the water"? Sounds like you are infatuated with the "Big Red Fever", lol. And again that wasn't a game we should be in, what good does it do us? Scheduling any D-3 or D-4 or D-5 contender does not make sense, when you can schedule D-1 or D-2 contenders! If you lose to a D-3 or D-4 or D-5 what does it do for you? Get people talking about you and saying bad things, is this wanted? If you lose to a D-1 or D-2 contender you still maintain a better amount of respect! And if you win against D-3 or D-4 or D-5, NO ONE NOTICES! No win situations in these type of games for Massillon.

[WeirFootball]

Forget about divisions for a minute. Big Red is going to be one of the best teams in OH in 2008 in ANY division. If you win everyone says you beat a quality team. If you lose, everyone says that you were defeated by one of the best teams in the state. The Cardinal Mooney score wasn't accurate of how close the game was. Big Red was ready to score inside of the 5 yard line when they fumbled and Mooney recovered the fumble and almost scored a touchdown. Big Red just didn't recover after that happened. Also, if you were at the game like I was you would know that the weather conditions were terrible. Now one of Big Red's strenghts last year were throwing the football with senior WR's Stevie Davis and Anthony Gossett and Dwight Macon at QB. In some instances, Mooney had two TE's and three RB's in the backfield. Obviously the weather helped out Cardinal Mooney's style of offense. I'm not saying the weather allowed Mooney to win the game, but the score would have been closer if it wasn't pouring down rain. Last year was also a "rebuilding" year for Big Red and they still went 10-0 in the regular season for the fifth consecutive year and went to the regional finals.

[Striker300]

Weir, you are correct, they are a high quality football team, and I may have gotten carried away a little bit, I'm sorry for that, and if I have offended any Steubenville fans, I apologize. But in my honest opinion taking this series is not better for us than a high quality D-1 or D-2 opponent, as I said I would love to see it happen, just to rekindle an old rivalry, but D-1 wise this is not the best game for us, benefitting you much more. The same reason Ursuline wanted to play us and Normandy. And yes, I know that Steubenville has been great for a number of years, I have visited their website, and seen the records, and I do believe they have an excellent program, been following them for a few years on the internet. I hope for them to do well every year, now and in the future. But I still don't see where this helps Massillon as far as the D-1 rankings go. On top of that any time Massillon loses to a team of lower Div. everyone wants to talk crap about us, it doesn't matter if they were that good or not. And if we lose these games, even by 1 point, its a severe blow to the points.

[WeirFootball]

Other teams' fans say stuff about your program because most people know if there is one team you think of when you hear Ohio HS football, it's the Massillon Tigers. I understand about losing to a team in a lower division, but if it doesn't do anything else it is going to prepare you for the playoffs. My HS, Weir, played A Wheeling Central for years and only won once from 2000-2007. Now granted from 2000-2002 we weren't a very good football team and they have won 6 state titles since 2000, but we always kept playing that team and it helped my senior football season in 2003 to wake us up after we started 7-0 and show us that we could lose a football game which we previously didn't think would happen. We went on to play the #1 team in the state and lose by a TD in 3 OT's. Playing a team as good as Wheeling Central got us ready to play anyone in the state in AA. As I said before, it would be a great atmosphere for HS football if Massillon and Big Red renewed a series and people would drive from all over OH and even WV to see this game. It probably won't happen, but I'd like to see these two teams renew the rivalry. Anyways, best of luck to Massillon in 2008 and I'm going to try to make it back up there for the Massillon vs. Mckinley game.

[WeirFootball]

I remember in 2006 when Massillon scheduled HD Woodson from Washington, DC. I know they might have had a higher enrollment than Big Red, but that team was nowhere near the caliber of football team that Big Red was that year. Some of the Div. 1 teams on your schedule aren't as good as Big Red and a game with a team like Big Red would get Massillon ready for the postseason and get the team used to playing a football game in a hostile environment. Believe me, if there was a Masillon vs. Steubenville game at Steubenville, it would be standing room only.

[Striker300]

I totally agree, Weir, that teams like Woodson and the Canadian teams we played don't make any sense. We get virtually nothing from that. Yes Big Red would be much better in that respect than any of those teams, and would also mutilate every one of them on the field. But a top ten Div-1 or Div-2 team gives us a lot more help than a top ten D-3,4 or 5 team. But it would pack the stands at both houses, so, in that light it would be great to renew. Also I think these games would be highly competitive, considering the reputation of both schools. But, again, I don't see it happening, but you never know.

[Death Valley]

MTigers, no offense taken, I like busting chops myself at times...

Striker, Big Red is consistently one of the biggest Harbin points earners in the state regardless of division year in and year out. Reno does not schedule teams on the premise that they will be "down" during a particular year. In fact, most teams end up dropping Big Red because they get beat year after year. As far as the Mooney game last year, Mooney was the better team. Big Red was young and to be perfectly honest, I was not expecting Big Red to go 10-0 during the regular season. They did the best they could against a better opponent, and I was proud of them. With that being said, Big Red "should" be much better and more experienced this season and next season, look out. Also, Big Red does not have an easy time finding teams to play. Most D-1 teams don't want to schedule Big Red for fear of losing to a D-4 team, and most D-2 through D-4 teams don't want any part of Big Red for fear of getting their butts handed to them.

[JakeGiant]

The Cardinal Mooney score wasn't accurate of how close the game was.

I respectfully disagree. More like the opposite. I watched that game, and Mooney clearly let up on the pedal to the point Steubenville made a game of it at the end.

As a neutral observer, I'm inclined to believe Steubenville's always had the 'call' if they wanted to play someone like Massillon, or not. I'm always amazed at how many out-of-state teams the Big Red play when there are some schools in Ohio they could contact to play.

[DAWGH8R]

. I'm always amazed at how many out-of-state teams the Big Red play when there are some schools in Ohio they could contact to play.


Kinda hard to consider the 2 teams on the '08 schedule from Wheeling an 'out of state' game, considering it's slightly more than a half hour drive, but the 2 teams from NY, one a real good team, are both are coming to Death Valley AGAIN to play the Big Red . They must have a very persuasive athletic director to get B2B home games from an opponent that far away !!

I see the Buffalo St Joes is a fixture on the schedule, showing up the last 8 years !! Seems as if they have quite a flavor on the schedule at times. Teams from DC, Maryland , NY, and WV.

Dug up this old schedule from '77. If you tried to play Warren Harding, ST X, MASSILLON, STEUBENVILLE CATH, and CANTON McKINLEY in 5 consecutive weeks today, you'd be in a LOT of mess !!! WOW !!!!

1977 ---- COACH BOHREN

6 CLEVELAND EAST 12
14 YOUNGSTOWN SOUTH 0
28 COLUMBUS EAST 6
0 WARREN HARDING 3
6 CINCINNATI XAVIER 7
22 MASSILLON WASHINGTON 41
0 STEUBENVILLE CATHOLIC 16
0 CANTON MCKINLEY 26
12 NILES MCKINLEY 17
0 ALLIANCE 14

[MANOWAR]

Striker, I can assure you that Big Red didn't end the series in 1978. Our whole town was in a state of shock when it was announced that the All American Conference was breaking up. From what I remember it was Massillon who wanted out because of the lack of computer points that Big Red, Alliance, and Niles were supplying. At that time only the top two in the region made it, and Massillon was being hurt by playing a AA school that was only winning a few games a the time. The funny thing is that the following year we were pretty competitive going 7-3 while playing the rest of the AAC teams (lost to WGH by a point). Since the breakup we have played all the other members multiple times except McKinley and Massillon.

I wish the series would have continued...I think during the last 30 years it would have been much more competitive than it was for the previous 30 years. We've been playing on the junior high, frosh, and reserve level for years, so I don't see why a varsity game is such problem.

As for the rock throwing and such...I heard stories from my grandparents about not so great moments up in Massillon too, but that has never stopped me from going to games at PBTS. You have to remember that times change, and it was a different culture back then.

BTW, it's StEubenville to the thread starter:smile: , or just simply Big Red.

PS-What happened to the post count? I've been registered on here since 1999 or so.

[DAWGH8R]

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PS-What happened to the post count? I've been registered on here since 1999 or so.

BIG server crash in the late summer of '06. Obiefan lost all of the database !!

Just in case nobody has said it yet, Good Luck to the BIG RED in '08 !!!

[Rushfan]

Hey,Manowar,I think it wasn't until 1980 that the top two teams from each region made the playoffs. Up until 1979 just the No.1 team got in. I remember in 1980 we lost to McKinley in week 10 and took the No.2 spot,then played them again a week later in the playoffs.

[MANOWAR]

Well that even made it worse then for Massillon, McKinley, and Warren!

I don't blame them for wanting out considering how the playoff system was set up then. They had to do what was in the best interest for their program at the time.

[MTigers006]

MTigers, no offense taken, I like busting chops myself at times...

Striker, Big Red is consistently one of the biggest Harbin points earners in the state regardless of division year in and year out. Reno does not schedule teams on the premise that they will be "down" during a particular year. In fact, most teams end up dropping Big Red because they get beat year after year. As far as the Mooney game last year, Mooney was the better team. Big Red was young and to be perfectly honest, I was not expecting Big Red to go 10-0 during the regular season. They did the best they could against a better opponent, and I was proud of them. With that being said, Big Red "should" be much better and more experienced this season and next season, look out. Also, Big Red does not have an easy time finding teams to play. Most D-1 teams don't want to schedule Big Red for fear of losing to a D-4 team, and most D-2 through D-4 teams don't want any part of Big Red for fear of getting their butts handed to them.

Isnt that what the game is about? Its not about running scared. We have the same problem here with teams like Jackson, Dover, Glen Oak, Central Cathlic of Canton etc. As the old saying goes if you cant hang with the big dogs stay on the porch ( or as sometimes heard, Dog House).

I expect Big Red after the season they had last year and their youth as you mentioned to have some years of good runs in the near future. I would expect nothing less for Big Red to take the championship in your division this year. I on behalf of Tiger Nation I would like to wish Stubenville Big Red all the best. We are old friends and maybe someday and can play each other again. Stubenville is a team rich in history, pride, and excellence. All something to always be proud of. Thats one reason why I LOVE being a Tiger Fan. The towns are so simular and so are the teams. So embrace the past and the glory. You have something to always be proud of in your program and community. Pride is everything in your team. Win or Lose no one can ever take away your indentity, who you are, and everything you have accomplished. These are the things that are fought to protect on the field of battle called the Grid Iron. The greatest game in the world. Football. God Bless.

[Rushfan]

Well that even made it worse then for Massillon, McKinley, and Warren!

I don't blame them for wanting out considering how the playoff system was set up then. They had to do what was in the best interest for their program at the time.

Oh,you ain't kiddin'! Back then,you pretty much had to go 10-0 and beat a lot of good Harbin points-getters to have a realistic shot at making the playoffs. Sometimes 9-1 or 8-2 against a really good schedule would get you in. This is just my opinion,but I think today too many teams get in. It's a cash cow for the O.H.S.A.A.

[JakeGiant]

This is just my opinion,but I think today too many teams get in. It's a cash cow for the O.H.S.A.A.

So, I take it you were disappointed your own Tigers made the Playoffs in 06?

[Rushfan]

So, I take it you were disappointed your own Tigers made the Playoffs in 06?

Did I say that? This will probably draw some fire,but I didn't think my own Tigers deserved to make the plyoffs in '06,not with a 6-4 record. I'll admit though,it was fun beating Perry that night.

[DAWGH8R]

Did I say that? This will probably draw some fire,but I didn't think my own Tigers deserved to make the plyoffs in '06,not with a 6-4 record. I'll admit though,it was fun beating Perry that night.

I agree !!! But remember that Iggy wion the TITLE with a 6 - 4 record too !!!

[JakeGiant]

No, you didn't say it, per se, but you opined too many teams get in, and it's an OHSAA cash cow. Thinking Massillon was 6-4 in 06, I was wondering how you felt, which you stated your case.

[Striker300]

I felt I must come back to this thread and apologize. Steubenville has all my respect as a football team. It would be a good game and a good draw. Also I have been on the Huddle in the last few days, since registration is now free, and most of the Big Red fans do support and respect Massillon, so I must apologize to them also. I still don't know how much good it would be to play them as far as the Harbin points go, but it would be one heckuva game! Hope all can forgive and forget, again I apologize. Go Big Red, Go Massillon, good luck to both in the upcoming season!

[DragonTigerNemesis]

I felt I must come back to this thread and apologize. Steubenville has all my respect as a football team. It would be a good game and a good draw. Also I have been on the Huddle in the last few days, since registration is now free, and most of the Big Red fans do support and respect Massillon, so I must apologize to them also. I still don't know how much good it would be to play them as far as the Harbin points go, but it would be one heckuva game! Hope all can forgive and forget, again I apologize. Go Big Red, Go Massillon, good luck to both in the upcoming season!

Are you an Eagle Scout?
Not being a smart ass---such character as you have displayed here is rare in today's society.

[Death Valley]

Striker

No need to apologize. Massillon fans are similar to Big Red fans, we are passionate about our football. I feel that this is one of the reasons why both programs have had a ton of success over the years. As I've stated earlier, most Big Red fans have a ton of respect for Massillon, going back to the AAC days. I know Massillon catches a lot of flack from people around the state, but I guess that's the price you pay when you have great fans, facilities and tradition. Good luck in the battle for Titletown and the upcoming season.

Roll Red Roll
Go Tigers

[Tiger forever]

I say we make it happen and soon. This was a very heated rivalry even though Massillon holds a dominant edge in the win/loss column. I played in the the last game against them and it was probably time to drop them from the schedule because they were on a huge downslide. They have certainly revamped their program and they think they are ready for us. Let's get it on! We have played lower division teams in the past and even lost to a few who went on to become champs (Benedictine and Chaminade come to mind). Better to lose a hard fought rivalry game to a champion than beat a patsy. Massillon MAKES this a rivalry. Let's make it happen.