10 Reasons Not to Vote for McCain [Archive]

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 12:43 PM

Paul Brown

06-06-2008, 12:50 PM

11. If you think we're overfunding our military at 950 billion/year with the current admin., wait until Mccain puts it over the trillion/year mark.

CarlE

06-06-2008, 12:51 PM

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 12:53 PM

Although I disagree greatly with you most of the time, I certainly have in the past respected your opinions as they have been researched and well thought out. The above post is certainly the exception to that. I honestly don't think even YOU believe half of what is posted on there.

Challenge the statement you think is wrong and noth well thought out and I'll provide the research that supports that statement.

Oh, thanks for respecting my opinion, it's mutual..

savage4president

06-06-2008, 12:56 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?

1. Senator John McCain is of the yacht, caviar and mansion privileged class. He has no understanding of anyone who has to struggle to pay bills. In fact, John McCain voted to filibuster minimum wage increase.

2. With McCain, instead of government of the people, by the people and for the people, you would have a government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists and for the lobbyists. Lobbyists fund McCain's campaign, staff his campaign and even write his policies. In even something as critical as the mortgage crisis, the McCain housing policy is shaped by lobbyist.

3. McCain was a very strong supporter of President Bush's push to privatize Social Security.

4. When it comes to jobs, McCain is perfectly willing to ship them away with NAFTA.

5. McCain says it would be perfectly "fine" to keep troops in Iraq for "A Hundred Years". He has not said how he would staff that continued war, with either continuously backdrafting the current troops or drafting new troops.

6. Being rich enough to afford the finest Mayo clinic health care, McCain totally endorses Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion. From the perspective of McCain, the rich deserve health care and kids do not deserve health care.

7. McCain even strongly disapproves of fulfulling our promises to veterans on benefits.

8. Like all Republicans who say that they are for limited government, then have government interfere with birth, death and marriage, McCain says overturn the law that legalized abortion.

9. In every way, McCain was the key supporter and a key contributor of Bush's failed Iraq strategy.

10. McCain is 71 years old and already having senile moments where someone like Senator Lieberman has to tell him what to say.

While I plan on voting for Bob Barr...I'd like to respond to this anyway.

1. Why do you hate wealthy people? Are you one of those people that graduated with a degree in philosophy or art, and now your pissed that you can't find work and want the government to fund you?

2. Sure special interest is a problem...but to pretend the Dems turn down special interest money is just plain stupid and dishonest.

3. Any person that has any understanding of economics, and how incredibly outdated Social Security is would certainly agree with McCain on this.

4. Free trade is the key to any nations economic prosperity.

5. They are troops...there job is to fight when its necessary. You can argue the reasons for the war, or if we should even be there, but to argue that there will be a draft is completely unsubstantiated.

6. You really need to stop listening to air america...their talking points do not carry water. There should never be UNIVERSAL (SOCIALIZED) Health Care in this nation. Why should my tax dollars pay for a Herion addict to receive medical attention?

7. Please cite some evidence of this? Al Franken don't count.

8. Can't say I agree with that at all. I would not like to see Roe v. Wade overturned...but then again he won't be on SCOTUS to make the decision, so i'm not overly concerned about it.

9 and 10...sound incredibly circumstantial...evidence?

Dude, you really need to find a way to relax.

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 12:57 PM

OOOH, the debates are heating up! I love it. The next several months should provide for a lot of entertainment, if anything. At the end of the day, I know Bush won't be president and that will be a victory in itself. Even if it's McCain moving into the Whitehouse..

TigerLily

06-06-2008, 12:58 PM

Paul Brown

06-06-2008, 01:03 PM

bs.gunn

06-06-2008, 01:04 PM

2. Sure special interest is a problem...but to pretend the Dems turn down special interest money is just plain stupid and dishonest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/obamas-in-control-no-more_n_105407.html

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 01:04 PM

10 Reasons TO Vote for McCain

1. Obama
2. Obama
3. Obama
4. Obama
5. Obama
6. Obama
7. Obama
8. Obama
9. Obama
10. Obama

Obama can’t even make a good decision on a church or people he associates with!

WOW. I am floored by your expert analysis of the situation and the wealth of information you provided in coming to this conclusion. Good for you. God bless America!

savage4president

06-06-2008, 01:07 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/obamas-in-control-no-more_n_105407.html

If he actually follows through with this, i'll certainly applaud the man and the DNC. However, lets wait and see what happens when the well runs dry!

TigerLily

06-06-2008, 01:08 PM

WOW. I am floored by your expert analysis of the situation and the wealth of information you provided in coming to this conclusion. Good for you. God bless America!

Thank You...I thought you might just appreciate it...:grinning:

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_9_136v.gif

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 01:12 PM

CarlE

06-06-2008, 01:15 PM

I love how you all bitch about universal health care and the tax burden it will have on you but don't dare bat an eye at what we're spending (getting in debt) in Iraq every year, which is exponentially more than any universal health care proposition. Health care will help people in my country.. I don't see any benefit from you wasting my money in Iraq.
OK, engineer boy I'm going to go slow to make sure you understand this. We are not wasting money in Iraq. Now, I'm saying this is right but what we are doing is adding to our national debt to fund the war in Iraq. This is NOT money that would be used for something else. But hey, I'm sure you know more than me about this. Hell, you're 25 and an engineer.

Smitty

06-06-2008, 01:17 PM

Limited debate here:

1. Yes, YOU have a bad case of class envy.

5. We still have troops in Japan, Germany, the Phillipines, Turkey, & Cuba, too. Please contact Truman & Kennedy (both long-dead Democrats) to voice your complaints.

6. Whaddaya mean "the rich deserve health care and kids do not deserve health care."??? Make some f--ing sense, please. Anyone in America can walk into a hospital ER & get emergency treatment without regard to ability to pay. That's the law. Do you want something different?

Oh... do you want FREE health care? Kneel now and kiss my butt. You don't get groceries for free. You don't get clothing for free. You don't get your house (or apartment) for free. Your appliances, furniture, car, all are not free. SO, why should going to the doctor be FREE????? HUH?? TELL ME!!

Oh... you think doctors (and anyone else that works in health care) is "RICH", and therefore they should treat you for free?? Get back on your knees. Your car repair man, most likely, makes more than your doctor.

I smell the class envy across 2000 miles... and the jet stream is going the wrong way.

8. Be glad your mommy didn't have an abortion. :ohno:

9. I'll give ya this one; Bush is an idiot. I commend McCain for supporting his Commander-in-Chief in spite of Bush's stupidity.

Paul Brown

06-06-2008, 01:19 PM

OK, engineer boy I'm going to go slow to make sure you understand this. We are not wasting money in Iraq. Now, I'm saying this is right but what we are doing is adding to our national debt to fund the war in Iraq. This is NOT money that would be used for something else. But hey, I'm sure you know more than me about this. Hell, you're 25 and an engineer.

I know what we're doing.
When you charge your AMEX do they expect you to pay it?
Who pays for our national debt, and how?
Just b/c we aren't feeling it right now doesn't mean we aren't wasting money. The next SEVERAL administrations will be feeling this debt.
If you don't think none of your money is being wasted.. will I wont even finish that, I KNOW you know better.

TigerCoach

06-06-2008, 01:27 PM

While I plan on voting for Bob Barr...I'd like to respond to this anyway.

1. Why do you hate wealthy people? Are you one of those people that graduated with a degree in philosophy or art, and now your pissed that you can't find work and want the government to fund you?

2. Sure special interest is a problem...but to pretend the Dems turn down special interest money is just plain stupid and dishonest.

3. Any person that has any understanding of economics, and how incredibly outdated Social Security is would certainly agree with McCain on this.

4. Free trade is the key to any nations economic prosperity.

5. They are troops...there job is to fight when its necessary. You can argue the reasons for the war, or if we should even be there, but to argue that there will be a draft is completely unsubstantiated.

6. You really need to stop listening to air america...their talking points do not carry water. There should never be UNIVERSAL (SOCIALIZED) Health Care in this nation. Why should my tax dollars pay for a Herion addict to receive medical attention?

7. Please cite some evidence of this? Al Franken don't count.

8. Can't say I agree with that at all. I would not like to see Roe v. Wade overturned...but then again he won't be on SCOTUS to make the decision, so i'm not overly concerned about it.

9 and 10...sound incredibly circumstantial...evidence?

Dude, you really need to find a way to relax.

I'm with Savage on this one, but let me make a few comments as well.

1) 80% of economists will tell you that raising the minimum wage actually costs people their jobs. Employers will either let them go because they can't afford them or they will let them go for below standard work. The other 20% teach and have never had a job.

2) Don't forget the esteemed Democratic Senator from Louisiana, William Jefferson. If you recall, he was found with $100,000 in his freezer at home. More recently, his wife, daughter and son-in-law have been indicted for stealing hundreds of thousdands of dollars in money intended for charitable projects.

5) We still have troops in Germany and Japan 65 years after the end of WWII. I think it would be a good strategic move to build a base in Iraq and keep the terrorists on alert for the next 100 years also.

6) Talk to someone from Canada about their healthcare system. If Dems want to do something like that, then maybe they should go to Canada to have their heads examined.

I'm personally hoping that someone out of the blue makes an independant run at the White House, but then again, there are no successful, intelligent, forward-thinking leaders in our country who would want to put up with all the BS that our political environment has become.

DAWGH8R

06-06-2008, 02:27 PM

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bs.gunn

06-06-2008, 02:30 PM

I'm with Savage on this one, but let me make a few comments as well.

1) 80% of economists will tell you that raising the minimum wage actually costs people their jobs. Employers will either let them go because they can't afford them or they will let them go for below standard work. The other 20% teach and have never had a job.

Ugh you're right, teaching is not a job... If an employer can't pay at least minimum wage, perhaps it shouldn't be in business. 80% of Economists DON'T believe what you said. Although the majority is in your corner, that majority is about 50% while the minority is right up there. Greatly exagerating #'s doesn't help your argument, neither does belittling teachers. Perhaps instead of killing a system, and this might be a crazy idea, it would be best to "fix the system"

2) Don't forget the esteemed Democratic Senator from Louisiana, William Jefferson. If you recall, he was found with $100,000 in his freezer at home. More recently, his wife, daughter and son-in-law have been indicted for stealing hundreds of thousdands of dollars in money intended for charitable projects.

How does one person's crimes support your argument?

5) We still have troops in Germany and Japan 65 years after the end of WWII. I think it would be a good strategic move to build a base in Iraq and keep the terrorists on alert for the next 100 years also.

Germany and Japan have NOTHING to do with Iraq. The comparison is another exageration. Comparing a World War with Iraq. This is the 2nd time in this thread I've seen this argument. How in the world are the 2 alike?
64million people died in World War II
Germany and Japan were agressers and attacked multiple countries with willful and determined actions to kill and control.
We did not pre-emptively attack them.

The terrorists last time anyone checked. are/were in afghanistan.. Which we already had forces in.

6) Talk to someone from Canada about their healthcare system. If Dems want to do something like that, then maybe they should go to Canada to have their heads examined.

Because if the Canadians can't do it... noone can... Especially Americans, right, right? Geesh do you even know what you're saying. That isn't to say that the Canadians health care system sucks.

I'm personally hoping that someone out of the blue makes an independant run at the White House, but then again, there are no successful, intelligent, forward-thinking leaders in our country who would want to put up with all the BS that our political environment has become.

Right none except B. Obama. But you folks can get past that he's democrat

I smell the class envy across 2000 miles... and the jet stream is going the wrong way.

I think you said the same thing about me. You really need to do better. It's sort of sad that you're a one trick pony

TigerLily

06-06-2008, 02:36 PM

O.K. I know I’m not as smart or have the knowledge as many of you on these things, and am not a political science major, but here goes. (And, since I believe Indiana95 thinks I didn’t give a proper response -- I’m at least going to try with these items).

1. Senator John McCain is of the yacht, caviar and mansion privileged class. He has no understanding of anyone who has to struggle to pay bills. In fact, John McCain voted to filibuster minimum wage increase.

There are always pros and cons to increasing minimum wage. It can be a burden on the business having to provide it. But, I know people need it to take care of their family. As far as being privileged, if he has money, good for him. I think he also knows what it’s like to do without. I don’t imagine he had a whole lot in that prison camp.

2. With McCain, instead of government of the people, by the people and for the people, you would have a government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists and for the lobbyists. Lobbyists fund McCain's campaign, staff his campaign and even write his policies. In even something as critical as the mortgage crisis, the McCain housing policy is shaped by lobbyist.

There are probably not too many politicians who have not had dealing with lobbyists some point. He’s been around long enough to know how to handle these people.

3. McCain was a very strong supporter of President Bush's push to privatize Social Security.

I think he is probably very open and willing to listen to all proposals on this.

4. When it comes to jobs, McCain is perfectly willing to ship them away with NAFTA.

I have to give you some points on this one. I don’t like NAFTA either.

5. McCain says it would be perfectly "fine" to keep troops in Iraq for "A Hundred Years". He has not said how he would staff that continued war, with either continuously backdrafting the current troops or drafting new troops.

I think, like any other place where there could be a direct threat to America, we need to have a presence for as long as it takes.

6. Being rich enough to afford the finest Mayo clinic health care, McCain totally endorses Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion. From the perspective of McCain, the rich deserve health care and kids do not deserve health care.

Come on…do you really believe he doesn’t want health care for children and everyone else?

7. McCain even strongly disapproves of fulfulling our promises to veterans on benefits.

You’ve got to be kidding. If anyone knows about veterans and their needs it’s him. I don’t know all of the details of what he disapproves, but I’m sure he has the back of veterans and current military.

8. Like all Republicans who say that they are for limited government, then have government interfere with birth, death and marriage, McCain says overturn the law that legalized abortion.

More power to him. It’s about time someone stands up for the rights of the unborn and the way marriage is supposed to be.

9. In every way, McCain was the key supporter and a key contributor of Bush's failed Iraq strategy.

I do believe that he has stated that there are many areas that he has disagreed with the way Iraq is being handled.

10. McCain is 71 years old and already having senile moments where someone like Senator Lieberman has to tell him what to say.

I only hope I’m as smart in my “senile” moments when I’m 71, and have someone as smart as Lieberman by my side.

McCain’s not the perfect candidate, but he’s a lot closer than that other guy.

SuperBran

06-06-2008, 02:39 PM

Obama can’t even make a good decision on a church or people he associates with!

and mccain never had any issues with his reverend?

TigerLily

06-06-2008, 02:41 PM

Not for 20 years anyway....

SuperBran

06-06-2008, 02:46 PM

Not for 20 years anyway....

how about good ol' pastor hagee, who supports mccain? that was pretty recent. i'm interested in your response.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-02-mccain-pastor_N.htm

Smitty

06-06-2008, 02:53 PM

...If an employer can't pay at least minimum wage, perhaps it shouldn't be in business....

How much is flipping burgers at McDonalds REALLY worth (in today's dollar)?

$3 - an hour?
$5.50 -an hour?
$8 - an hour?
More?

It's a minimum wage job, but I think it's worth LESS than that.

...I think you said the same thing about me....

The same pants can fit more than one butt.

TigerLily

06-06-2008, 03:02 PM

how about good ol' pastor hagee, who supports mccain? that was pretty recent. i'm interested in your response.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-02-mccain-pastor_N.htm

Isn’t there a difference between an unsolicited endorsement and sitting in a congregation for 20 years listening the Jeremiah Wright?

From the LA Times -- May 23, 2008

Obama, campaigning in Florida, responded: "John McCain has to deal with Hagee, who said something that is mind-boggling. I don't attribute those statements to John McCain. Nobody thinks McCain believes that stuff."

02teleprograd

06-06-2008, 03:03 PM

I just want to say one thing.. He said we can stay in Iraq for 100 years. It does not say we will be at war with Iraq...

How long was WW2? We are still in Germany, we are still in Japan.

I suggest a Admin lock this thread, its just going to start a flame war because people cant talk like adults.

SuperBran

06-06-2008, 03:12 PM

Isn’t there a difference between an unsolicited endorsement and sitting in a congregation for 20 years listening the Jeremiah Wright?

i see no difference here. first, it's been reported that mccain sought out hagee's endorsement, and hagee has even said that mccain came to him. second, even after all of hagee's baggage came to light, mccain STILL would repudiate his support. rather, mccain simply stated that he didn't believe in all of hagee's views.

i'm not saying that obama's situation was better or worse. i'm saying that you can't criticize obama when mccain has made the same mistakes.

From the LA Times -- May 23, 2008

Obama, campaigning in Florida, responded: "John McCain has to deal with Hagee, who said something that is mind-boggling. I don't attribute those statements to John McCain. Nobody thinks McCain believes that stuff."

what's this have to do with anything? obama simply taking the high road, as anyone should.

bs.gunn

06-06-2008, 03:13 PM

There are always pros and cons to increasing minimum wage. It can be a burden on the business having to provide it. But, I know people need it to take care of their family. As far as being privileged, if he has money, good for him. I think he also knows what it’s like to do without. I don’t imagine he had a whole lot in that prison camp.

Seriously equating prison camp with "having to do without". Yowza

There are probably not too many politicians who have not had dealing with lobbyists some point. He’s been around long enough to know how to handle these people.

Yes he holds his hand out and asks for more money

3. McCain was a very strong supporter of President Bush's push to privatize Social Security.

I think he is probably very open and willing to listen to all proposals on this.

...

5. McCain says it would be perfectly "fine" to keep troops in Iraq for "A Hundred Years". He has not said how he would staff that continued war, with either continuously backdrafting the current troops or drafting new troops.

I think, like any other place where there could be a direct threat to America, we need to have a presence for as long as it takes.

They weren't a direct threat then, they're not a direct threat now, and it's HIGHLY unlikely they'll be a direct threat in the next 40years. I bet you still believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction too

6. Being rich enough to afford the finest Mayo clinic health care, McCain totally endorses Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion. From the perspective of McCain, the rich deserve health care and kids do not deserve health care.

Come on…do you really believe he doesn’t want health care for children and everyone else?

Does he?

7. McCain even strongly disapproves of fulfulling our promises to veterans on benefits.

You’ve got to be kidding. If anyone knows about veterans and their needs it’s him. I don’t know all of the details of what he disapproves, but I’m sure he has the back of veterans and current military.

I don't know does he? Your assurances don't put me in a good place

8. Like all Republicans who say that they are for limited government, then have government interfere with birth, death and marriage, McCain says overturn the law that legalized abortion.

More power to him. It’s about time someone stands up for the rights of the unborn and the way marriage is supposed to be.

Because the rights of people who don't believe what you believe should be taken away.

McCain’s not the perfect candidate, but he’s a lot closer than that other guy.

That other guys name is Barack Obama. I'd get use to saying it if I was you

CarlE

06-06-2008, 03:26 PM

I know what we're doing.
When you charge your AMEX do they expect you to pay it?
Who pays for our national debt, and how?
Just b/c we aren't feeling it right now doesn't mean we aren't wasting money. The next SEVERAL administrations will be feeling this debt.
If you don't think none of your money is being wasted.. will I wont even finish that, I KNOW you know better.

I'm not saying that PB. Of course not. I'm just saying that it isn't money that would be spent on something else if we were NOT at war. We're both right on this one which is a good thing.

section3

06-06-2008, 03:27 PM

02teleprograd

06-06-2008, 03:30 PM

so in the case of heath care how would you pay for it. People want the govt to give us heath care. Go to Canada, or any other country in Europe who has free health care. TAX is sky high!:sour:

bs.gunn

06-06-2008, 04:35 PM

so in the case of heath care how would you pay for it. People want the govt to give us heath care. Go to Canada, or any other country in Europe who has free health care. TAX is sky high!:sour:

Well I don't believe anyone has a full proof method and I'm no expert. However, how I understand it to be is the following

You know how your employer pays for Health insurance. Now take that away and instead of paying a private company you throw into the same pool of money that everyone else in the united states that holds a taxable job is in.

Health insurance prices will go down, not up and instead of coming off your paycheck by your employer for a private company it'll come off as a tax.

march

06-06-2008, 04:54 PM

I believe that we've been lied to about the war.However I dont think lying is an exclusive tool of either political party.
We were attacked on 9/11/01.The attack took alot of time ,effort,and recources by Al Queada to plan and execute.Now,Al Queada is busy focusing on battle stratagies in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of planning major terrorist events like 9/11.
Chose wisely...

Smitty

06-06-2008, 07:06 PM

... You know how your employer pays for Health insurance. Now take that away and instead of paying a private company you throw into the same pool of money that everyone else in the united states that holds a taxable job is in....

I got a better idea.

You get "catastropic" health insurance. That's a policy that ONLY pays out for the BIG flippin' things like cancer, heart attack, stroke, & the like.

This type of policy is relatively inexpensive.

The rest of your money... stays in your pocket (* or your own checking account. Duh.) Then, when you need to go to the doctor for the flu or a sprained ankle you PAY FOR IT. You'd be surprized how inexpensive a visit to the doctor could be if he's offered CASH at the time of your visit... instead of having to wait for 90 days (or more) for a check from your insurance company.

Believe me: most doctors would LOVE to return to the system we had in the "good ol' days" (before FDR came along and f--'d-up everything) where NOBODY had health insurance, and even poor country-farm folk would pay the doctor in eggs, a chicken, or a side of beef.

SuperBran

06-06-2008, 09:16 PM

after checking out both candidates web sites, 10 reasons i won't vote for obama:

(1) create
(2) establish
(3) increase
(4) expand
(5) introduce
(6) provide
(7) mandatory
(8) address
(9) free
(10) develop

these words were found through out obama's web site and all mean higher taxes. 10 reasons i would vote for mccain:

(1) simpler
(2) lower
(3) cut
(4) ban
(5) reduce
(6) maintain
(7) eliminate
(8) reform
(9) control
(10) easier

these words were found through out mccain's web site and all seem to ease the burden on tax payers.

wow, i just checked mccain's website and found these ten words:

1. rising
2. ignore
3. run
4. unworthy
5. unacceptable
6. worse
7. challenges
8. abuses
9. insult
10. broken

that must mean that he'd be a horrible president.

it's fun taking random words out of context and then making up arguments based on those choice words.

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 09:45 PM

1. Yes, YOU have a bad case of class envy.

I smell the class envy across 2000 miles... and the jet stream is going the wrong way.
.

OK Mr. IdaHO. Not to sound like an elitest, but let's make sure you understand that there is no need for class envy here. I spend my day surrounded by people with more net worth than your entire crummy state. I'm sure my 700 series is probably worth more than the herd of cows you are raising and not to sound like Carle, but you'd need an escort to get through the gates of my community as well.

Oh, for anyone who cares, I stunk it up today at PGA National and shot a 95! Gotta get it straightened out before Myrtle Beach!

Back to the debate.....Stay tuned!

Paul Brown

06-06-2008, 09:47 PM

OK Mr. IdaHO. Not to sound like an elitest, but let's make sure you understand that there is no need for class envy here. I spend my day surrounded by people with more net worth than your entire crummy state. I'm sure my 700 series is probably worth more than the herd of cows you are raising and not to sound like Carle, but you'd need an escort to get through the gates of my community as well.

Oh, for anyone who cares, I stunk it up today at PGA National and shot a 95! Gotta get it straightened out before Myrtle Beach!

Back to the debate.....Stay tuned!

If you'd like to get me on PGA National, I'll gladly give you some pointers.

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 09:51 PM

If you'd like to get me on PGA National, I'll gladly give you some pointers.

Anytime! Just PM me if you're gonna be in the area. You're one of the few on MP.com who have been very pleasant towards me, so it would be my pleasure...

Paul Brown

06-06-2008, 09:58 PM

Anytime! Just PM me if you're gonna be in the area. You're one of the few on MP.com who have been very pleasant towards me, so it would be my pleasure...

I have a lawyer buddy in West Palm who I'll visit from time to time. When I go down, I'll shoot you a PM.

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:00 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?

1. Senator John McCain is of the yacht, caviar and mansion privileged class. He has no understanding of anyone who has to struggle to pay bills. In fact, John McCain voted to filibuster minimum wage increase.

OK challengers, here we go....
Evidence for #1:

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/01/24/john-mccain-votes-to-filibuster-minimum-wage-hike/

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:01 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?

2. With McCain, instead of government of the people, by the people and for the people, you would have a government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists and for the lobbyists. Lobbyists fund McCain's campaign, staff his campaign and even write his policies. In even something as critical as the mortgage crisis, the McCain housing policy is shaped by lobbyist.
.

Evidence for #2...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844889

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:02 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?

3. McCain was a very strong supporter of President Bush's push to privatize Social Security.
.

Evidene for #3...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002216444_bush23.html

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:03 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?

4. When it comes to jobs, McCain is perfectly willing to ship them away with NAFTA.

Evidence for #4...

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/01/nation/na-mccain1

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:11 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?
5. McCain says it would be perfectly "fine" to keep troops in Iraq for "A Hundred Years". He has not said how he would staff that continued war, with either continuously backdrafting the current troops or drafting new troops.

#5...

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6735_mccain_in_nh_wo.html

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:12 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?
6. Being rich enough to afford the finest Mayo clinic health care, McCain totally endorses Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion. From the perspective of McCain, the rich deserve health care and kids do not deserve health care.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:14 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?

7. McCain even strongly disapproves of fulfulling our promises to veterans on benefits.

This especially for those who are goo goo gaa gaa for the war hero who supports our troops...Traitor...

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/22/gi_bill/index.html

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:15 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?
8. Like all Republicans who say that they are for limited government, then have government interfere with birth, death and marriage, McCain says overturn the law that legalized abortion.

#8...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-19-mccain-roe_x.htm

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:16 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?
9. In every way, McCain was the key supporter and a key contributor of Bush's failed Iraq strategy.

#9.....This should worry everyone!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/12/ap/politics/mainD8MJRGCO0.shtml

Indiana95

06-06-2008, 10:18 PM

Anyone want to add to this list or challenge it?
10. McCain is 71 years old and already having senile moments where someone like Senator Lieberman has to tell him what to say.

And finally, #10.....Do our McCain supporters need anything else?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EetobKXQsr8

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:23 PM

Ugh you're right, teaching is not a job... If an employer can't pay at least minimum wage, perhaps it shouldn't be in business. 80% of Economists DON'T believe what you said. Although the majority is in your corner, that majority is about 50% while the minority is right up there. Greatly exagerating #'s doesn't help your argument, neither does belittling teachers. Perhaps instead of killing a system, and this might be a crazy idea, it would be best to "fix the system"

WRONG...but thanks for playing. Actually the total is closer to 90%. Having a Minimum wage increases unemployment...raising it increases it further. Please go to the local library and read a copy of the economist, or Economics for iditots, either way, you will discover the truth...and it shall set you free.

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:28 PM

how about good ol' pastor hagee, who supports mccain? that was pretty recent. i'm interested in your response.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-02-mccain-pastor_N.htm

Someone supporting you and praising someone as your "spiritual advisor" for 20 years are 2 totally different things. Hell, I could run for president and that big dummy Jeesie Jackson could support me...sure as hell does not mean I aggree with anything he says or does.

I don't care if Charles Manson supports a candidate...but if ol' Charlie was his spirtual guide through life, I'd find it difficult to support that candidate. Come on...you're better than this, at least bitch about McCains voting record or something that is relavent. Oh, I'm not equating Rev. Wright with C. Manson either.

Perry74

06-06-2008, 11:30 PM

Gee, Indiana, nothing from the Daily Kos or Media Matters. I'm disapointed.
MSNBC, now there is a creditable site.

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:32 PM

i see no difference here.

At a minimum...don't be a hypocrite. Find something that is relavent to complain about. It's apples and oranges, and to say anything else is just down right untruthfull.

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:34 PM

They weren't a direct threat then, they're not a direct threat now, and it's HIGHLY unlikely they'll be a direct threat in the next 40years.

And you know this because you are a covert CIA agent??? Please share this wonderful intellegence on a foreign state that you have in your possesion.

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:38 PM

Well I don't believe anyone has a full proof method and I'm no expert. However, how I understand it to be is the following

You know how your employer pays for Health insurance. Now take that away and instead of paying a private company you throw into the same pool of money that everyone else in the united states that holds a taxable job is in.

Health insurance prices will go down, not up and instead of coming off your paycheck by your employer for a private company it'll come off as a tax.

They tried this in a country at one point in time, sometime around 1919...what was the name of that place again????? Oh, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. I believe the common name for it is Communism.

"Workers of the world unite; all you have to lose is your chains". Karl Marx "The Communist Minifesto".

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:44 PM

#5...

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6735_mccain_in_nh_wo.html

Mother Jones??? Mother Fuc#ing Jones??? Seriously? You are trying to spin Mother Jones as trustworthy evidence? Mother Jones? Honestly? No...Even you can't be dumb enough to actually cite Mother F-Ing Jones. Oh my god...I think I just peed in my pants. What's next?? Oh, I heard about this great radio network that is incredibly fair and balanced when it comes to reporting the news. I believe they call it Air America. You know a play on words because the CIA and what they did in the 60's and all that. It's a really usefull source. Check it out sometime.

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:46 PM

This especially for those who are goo goo gaa gaa for the war hero who supports our troops...Traitor...

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/22/gi_bill/index.html

Salon??? Salon??? Seriously? You are trying to spin Salon as trustworthy evidence? Salon? Honestly? No...Even you can't be dumb enough to actually cite F-Ing Salon. Oh my god...I think I just peed in my pants. What's next?? Oh, I heard about this great radio network that is incredibly fair and balanced when it comes to reporting the news. I believe they call it Air America. You know its a play on words because of the CIA and what they did in the 60's and all that. It's a really usefull source. Check it out sometime.

SuperBran

06-06-2008, 11:53 PM

Someone supporting you and praising someone as your "spiritual advisor" for 20 years are 2 totally different things. Hell, I could run for president and that big dummy Jeesie Jackson could support me...sure as hell does not mean I aggree with anything he says or does.

I don't care if Charles Manson supports a candidate...but if ol' Charlie was his spirtual guide through life, I'd find it difficult to support that candidate. Come on...your better than this, at least bitch about McCains voting record or something that is relavent.

so now it's a matter of degree?

let's look at the facts:

mccain - seeks out hagee's endorsement and says how proud he is to have his support.....but conveniently knows NOTHING about hagee's views before seeking his endorsement (very wise decision). mccain, when confronted with hagee's controversial comments and views says he repudiates those views but doesn't repudiate the endorsement. after taking some heat mccain finally repudiates the endorsement.

obama - supported by wright who is his spiritual advisor (and a fool). wrights proves he's an idiot and obama repudiates his statements but stays with the church. after taking some heat obama finally leaves the church.

read my posts again. this is not about who's situation is worse......it's about both of these candidates making the same mistake. tigerlily said that obama can't make a good decision on who he associates with. i've shown that the same can be said about mccain. if you want to ignore mccain's blunder b/c you think that obama's blunder was so much worse, then go ahead. however the fact remains that both associated themselves with people who are complete fools....not to mention that they both held on longer to those associations than they should have.

savage4president

06-06-2008, 11:58 PM

so now it's a matter of degree?

let's look at the facts:

mccain - seeks out hagee's endorsement and says how proud he is to have his support.....but conveniently knows NOTHING about hagee's views before seeking his endorsement (very wise decision). mccain, when confronted with hagee's controversial comments and views says he repudiates those views but doesn't repudiate the endorsement. after taking some heat mccain finally repudiates the endorsement.

obama - supported by wright who is his spiritual advisor (and a fool). wrights proves he's an idiot and obama repudiates his statements but stays with the church. after taking some heat obama finally leaves the church.

read my posts again. this is not about who's situation is worse......it's about both of these candidates making the same mistake. tigerlily said that obama can't make a good decision on who he associates with. i've shown that the same can be said about mccain. if you want to ignore mccain's blunder b/c you think that obama's blunder was so much worse, then go ahead. however the fact remains that both associated themselves with people who are complete fools....not to mention that they both held on longer to those associations than they should have.

Same Mistake??? Someone with ambitions to be President seeks out the vote that an ignorant idiot like Hagee can give you (Which makes me sick...which is one of the many reasons I won't vote for him), and another that actually praised a guy as his spiritual advisor, and bragged about the fact that he married him, and baptized his children...come on man, quite being so dishonest. I would have respect for you if you simply said. "Look, Obama was just plain dumb when it came to this guy, but it is what it is". You seriously don't find anything "fishy" about the fact that is what not until he almost had the democratic nomination locked up to finally denounce what this lunitic said? The guy is a PURE POLITICIAN...no different than the rest of the filth walking the halls of congress. WAKE UP.

SuperBran

06-06-2008, 11:59 PM

That is because you are stupid!

At a minimum...don't be a hypocrite. Find something that is relavent to complain about. It's apples and oranges, and to say anything else is just down right untruthfull.

hypocrite? you're the hypocrite to attack obama for his associations when mccain has associated himself with a fool who is just as bad.

SuperBran

06-07-2008, 12:04 AM

Same Mistake??? Someone with ambitions to be President seeks out the vote that an ignorant idiot like Hagee can give you (Which makes me sick...which is one of the many reasons I won't vote for him), and another that actually praised a guy as his spiritual advisor, and bragged about the fact that he married him, and baptized his children...come on man, quite being so dishonest. I would have respect for you if you simply said. "Look, Obama was just plain dumb when it came to this guy, but it is what it is". You seriously don't find anything "fishy" about the fact that is what not until he almost had the democratic nomination locked up to finally denounce what this lunitic said? The guy is a PURE POLITICIAN...no different than the rest of the filth walking the halls of congress. WAKE UP.

I'M NOT DEFENDING OBAMA. what i'm pointing out is that if people are going to point fingers at obama, as they rightfully should, they should also be pointing fingers at mccain. mccain associated himself with a fool. he played dumb and said that he didn't know about his views. when he finally found out about those views he repudiated the views but STILL KEPT THE ENDORSEMENT.

do i find it fishy? again, you fail to realize that i'm not standing up for what obama did. obama should have cut ties a very long time ago.

dishonest? how have i been dishonest?

savage4president

06-07-2008, 12:06 AM

can you actually comprehend or do you just not read? I'M NOT DEFENDING OBAMA. i'll say it again a little slower so you can actually understand. i'm.......not........defending...........obama. what i'm pointing out is that if people are going to point fingers at obama, as they rightfully should, they should also be pointing fingers at mccain. mccain associated himself with a fool. he played dumb and said that he didn't know about his views. when he finally found out about those views he repudiated the views but STILL KEPT THE ENDORSEMENT.

do i find it fishy? again, you fail to realize that i'm not standing up for what obama did. obama should have cut ties a very long time ago.

dishonest? how have i been dishonest. perhaps you should invest in a dictionary.

Huh? One more time, I'm having some troubles.

SuperBran

06-07-2008, 12:29 AM

Huh? One more time, I'm having some troubles.

this is the first time you've actually been correct.

let me pose this another way........if someone said that they were going to vote for mccain simply b/c obama couldn't make a good decision about who he associates himself with, do you think that's hypocritical seeing how mccain associated also made a bad decision about who he associaes himself with?

i think that you want to believe that i support obama. the truth is that i haven't decided who i'll back. unlike most sheep who go with the flock, i actually take an objective look at things. as i've said MANY times in the past, i don't condone what obama did. in fact, i still hold his association with wright against him as i believe he should have dropped the guy WAY before he did. obama was a fool and his mistake could hurt him. on the other side, mccain made a smilar mistake. he reached out to a guy who made some pretty stupid remarks. he claimed that he had no idea, but didn't drop the guy after he found out. he did the same thing obama did, which is repudiate the statements and not the person. that was a mistake on mccain's part.

i agree that obama's situation is worse, but only a fool (or republican....and i'm not insinuating that republicans are fools) would give mccain a free pass simply b/c obama's situation was worse.

Paul Brown

06-07-2008, 12:31 AM

No administration in history has been as fiscally irresponsible as the Bush administration. Mccain has no plans to change this problem and actually supports what Bush has done.

savage4president

06-07-2008, 12:37 AM

this is the first time you've actually been correct.

let me pose this another way........if someone said that they were going to vote for mccain simply b/c obama couldn't make a good decision about who he associates himself with, do you think that's hypocritical seeing how mccain associated also made a bad decision about who he associaes himself with?

i think that you want to believe that i support obama. the truth is that i haven't decided who i'll back. unlike most sheep who go with the flock, i actually take an objective look at things. as i've said MANY times in the past, i don't condone what obama did. in fact, i still hold his association with wright against him as i believe he should have dropped the guy WAY before he did. obama was a fool and his mistake could hurt him. on the other side, mccain made a smilar mistake. he reached out to a guy who made some pretty stupid remarks. he claimed that he had no idea, but didn't drop the guy after he found out. he did the same thing obama did, which is repudiate the statements and not the person. that was a mistake on mccain's part.

i agree that obama's situation is worse, but only a fool (or republican....and i'm not insinuating that republicans are fools) would give mccain a free pass simply b/c obama's situation was worse.

OK...let me try this!

which part of I'm not voting for McCain are we not fully understanding? You say you don't back Obama...great, wonderful, outstanding, good for you. I don't care! You obviously did not read the entire post in which I clearly stated that McCain seeking the support of an idiot like Hagee makes me want to vomit.

You continue to claim that I'm a member of the flock...yet you are the one that has not made up their mind on who to vote for...the bad candidate or the worse candidate. I thought I've made it rather clear that I am refusing to vote for either the R or the D. I'm actually going to vote for a candidate that understands what this country is all about. It sure as hell is not McCain or Obama. Voting Republican does indeed make you a sheep, and voting Democrat gets you a nice tall glass of Jonestown Kood-aid (Actually Flavor-Aid). So, please return to the pasture...I saw a nice yellow patch of grass for you to chew on over there.

Paul Brown

06-07-2008, 12:45 AM

..which part of I'm not voting for McCain are we not fully understanding?

I don't necessarily mean to call you out on this, I just happened to notice you post it.. but why exactly do you want to throw your vote away? And yes I know "you're voting for who represents you" but you'e still throwing your vote away b/c realistically only Obama and Mccain have a chance to win. You'd think you'd vote for one of the two who represents your views better since one of them will be the next president.

SuperBran

06-07-2008, 12:49 AM

You continue to claim that I'm a member of the flock...yet you are the one that has not made up their mind on who to vote for

saying someone is a member of the flock is telling you that you just blindly follow what others do or believe. they go with the flow without independent though. someone who decides on their own, and doesn't just blindly follows others, is the total opposite. therefore, your quote above makes absolutely no sense.

I'm actually going to vote for a candidate that understands what this country is all about.

and when you find that perfect candidate the LSD should be wearing off.

Voting Republican does indeed make you a sheep

only if you blindly vote without a clue as to the candidates.

savage4president

06-07-2008, 12:55 AM

I don't necessarily mean to call you out on this, I just happened to notice you post it.. but why exactly do you want to throw your vote away? And yes I know "you're voting for who represents you" but you'e still throwing your vote away b/c realistically only Obama and Mccain have a chance to win. You'd think you'd vote for one of the two who represents your views better since one of them will be the next president.

Because I'm sick and tired of voting for Dumb and Dumber. If everyone else in this nation, got as fed up as I am with the Republican and Democratic BS, and actually voted for someone that meant something to them, then it would not be throwing their vote away. All it takes is 5% of the vote to get matching funds...you get matching funds and you can start to appeal to the American Public. You start to appeal to the American Public, the WE as a Nation, can get rid of this 2 Party BS!

Paul, I know your intelligent. There is NO WAY you like our 2 choices come november. I beg and plead with all members of MP, begin looking at the third party candidates. Quite looking at it like you are throwing your vote away. That 1 vote could give the 5%...and that can make all the difference in the world.

Thomas Jefferson believed that Revolution was a good thing, and that it should happen every 20 years, even in a democratic society. Well it has been 170 years of 2 party rule becuase of people being afraid to vote with their conscience, and instead pick the lesser of 2 evils. I'm only 1 person, but I will try to start this revolution by myself...one Forum at a time if necessary!

Paul Brown

06-07-2008, 12:59 AM

Paul, I know your intelligent. There is NO WAY you like our 2 choices come november.

No. I've stated before that I have no horse in this race. Huckabee was my guy and Paul was a 2nd choice. You also have to realize no matter how badly you want a different choice, only 2 people are potential candidates and you have to choose b/w the 2.

SuperBran

06-07-2008, 01:07 AM

Because I'm sick and tired of voting for Dumb and Dumber.

a lot of people feel the same way, but unfortunately won't take the chance to vote for someone else.

If everyone else in this nation, got as fed up as I am with the Republican and Democratic BS, and actually voted for someone that meant something to them, then it would not be throwing their vote away.

the problem is that most people that could make a difference either don't vote or vote with no clue as to who the best candidate is. they consider themselves democrats so they vote for the democrat. same for republicans. perot once got americans excited and had a chance until he made some costly mistekes.

You start to appeal to the American Public, the WE as a Nation, can get rid of this 2 Party BS!

i say we do it old school and have the loser be VP.....then they have to work together.

There is NO WAY you like our 2 choices come november.

at this point i'm not sold on either candidate, which is why i'll wait for the debates and read up on third parties.

I'm only 1 person, but I will try to start this revolution by myself...one Forum at a time if necessary!

we should bring back the Whig party.

1 thing though, in the outdoors it is called space...indoors is consider room.

i'm locked indoors most of the day. i can't help it.

savage4president

06-07-2008, 01:09 AM

No. I've stated before that I have no horse in this race. Huckabee was my guy and Paul was a 2nd choice. You also have to realize no matter how badly you want a different choice, only 2 people are potential candidates and you have to choose b/w the 2.

That is what i'm tallking about! Damnit man, if you don't have a horse in the race...Find one!!! I'm done. I'll throw my vote away for the rest of my life. I will raise my children to throw their vote away, eventually it has to change.

SuperBran

06-07-2008, 01:18 AM

i'll leave this thread to you guys to discuss things. i'm off to bed as it's too late.

btw - i went through my posts and deleted all hot headed remarks since i shouldn't have resorted to saying such things.

savage4president

06-07-2008, 01:22 AM

No administration in history has been as fiscally irresponsible as the Bush administration. Mccain has no plans to change this problem and actually supports what Bush has done.

I don't know...I'd put Lyndon Johnson and Warren Harding up against GWB any day!

Kamd50

06-07-2008, 01:53 AM

Gentlemen, please continue the debate without the name calling and inappropriate remarks. Obviusly,you all possess more than the required intelligence to do so, and are better than that, imho.

austinsm11

06-07-2008, 08:18 AM

You continue to claim that I'm a member of the flock...yet you are the one that has not made up their mind on who to vote for...the bad candidate or the worse candidate.

:scratchchin:

monte81

06-07-2008, 12:26 PM

JMHO---I could never bring myself to vote for McCain Democrat or Republican no matter what because:

1. I still cannot get over that McCain voted AGAINST a National MLK day in America. Arizona was the only state not to acknowledge the holiday for years because he rejected it and his state backed him. Caused alot of racial tension in Arizona back then and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

2. Oh---and he is out of touch with what most Americans want and need for our Nation. The Iraq war is BS and he still wants soldiers to fight and die for personal agendas!!

austinsm11

06-07-2008, 03:27 PM

So I guess McCain's insenstive actions towards blacks are worse than Obama's insensitive actions towards whites?

monte81

06-07-2008, 04:04 PM

So I guess McCain's insenstive actions towards blacks are worse than Obama's insensitive actions towards whites?

Whatever, what comments---the guns, occupations, and voter tendencies according to demographic facts from past voting years?

No comments made toward whites in particular! NO COMPARISON INHO! I justed stated how I feel and you have that right also. You will vote, I will vote, the public can vote, etc,... and we will just see who wins! However, did I state I was voting for Obama?????? HAHAHAHAHA---I guess he gets my vote because he is bi-racial, oh, I mean BLACK!

austinsm11

06-07-2008, 05:52 PM

No comments made toward whites in particular!
What about the comments about being a "typical white person?" Also,not distancing himself from his former pastor was a big mistake.

However, did I state I was voting for Obama?????? HAHAHAHAHA
:scratchchin: I guess you can laugh, although I'm not sure why. Nobody on this thread claimed you were voting for Obama.

Although it looks like Hillary is done, you may want to research some of her insenstive comments as well.
McCain was originally against MLK Day.
Obama talks about the typical white person and his wife is proud of America for the first time.

All of the candidates have said/done things that they regret, so I hope the basis of your decision does not come down to these.

Indiana95

06-07-2008, 06:01 PM

What about the comments about being a "typical white person?" Also,not distancing himself from his former pastor was a big mistake.

:scratchchin: I guess you can laugh, although I'm not sure why. Nobody on this thread claimed you were voting for Obama.

Although it looks like Hillary is done, you may want to research some of her insenstive comments as well.
McCain was originally against MLK Day.
Obama talks about the typical white person and his wife is proud of America for the first time.

All of the candidates have said/done things that they regret, so I hope the basis of your decision does not come down to these.

Both candidates have displayed various levels of insensitivity. You'd be hard pressed convincing me that McCain's lack of awareness for his surroundings, people he talks about, and overall demeanor isn't unpresidential (word?). His track record for doing things that he will regret is much longer than Obama's. Maybe its because he's been a public figure for much longer or maybe he is who he is......a lose cannon.

austinsm11

06-07-2008, 06:06 PM

Both candidates have displayed various levels of insensitivity. You'd be hard pressed convincing me that McCain's lack of awareness for his surroundings, people he talks about, and overall demeanor isn't unpresidential (word?). His track record for doing things that he will regard is much longer than Obama's. Maybe its because he's been a public figure for much longer or maybe he is who he is......a lose cannon.

Very good post. With McCain, it is probably a combination of both. But it probably also has a little to do witht he fact that Obama is black. If he was white and made a comment about "a typical black person," you know it would have been a much bigger deal. Regardless, all of the candidates have had brain farts at some point and need to think before opening their mouths.

I'm still undecided and don't really care for any of the choices at this point.

savage4president

06-08-2008, 01:59 AM

Indiana95

06-08-2008, 08:20 AM

I'm not saying he is right, or wrong...but why do we need a national MLK day?

It's becoming so much clearer everytime you post that your problem with Omaba, people of color and people of other faiths is because they look and think differently than you do....nothing else. Why is MLK day important? Are you kidding me? You tell others to read a newspaper....how about opening your eyes? Why do you think we should a day of rememberance for the single most important figure connected to the transformation of this country, in regards to equality for all? You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but the bigotry is so obvious. Keep spewing your hatred and believe me, everyone on this website will shun you. Who wants to be associated with a bigot?

Indiana95

06-08-2008, 11:02 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lYPDuZYxNdM

austinsm11

06-08-2008, 11:06 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lYPDuZYxNdM

And the Black Panther Party supports Obama. What's your point?

Indiana95

06-08-2008, 11:09 AM

And the Black Panther Party supports Obama. What's your point?

Point has been made long ago....

austinsm11

06-08-2008, 11:12 AM

Point has been made long ago....

I don't think either choice is a great choice for President, but my goodness, can you try to be a little objective.

At least Obama FINALLY took the Black Panther endorsement off his website. :doh:

chap

06-08-2008, 11:34 AM

It's becoming so much clearer everytime you post that your problem with Omaba, people of color and people of other faiths is because they look and think differently than you do....nothing else. Why is MLK day important? Are you kidding me? You tell others to read a newspaper....how about opening your eyes? Why do you think we should a day of rememberance for the single most important figure connected to the transformation of this country, in regards to equality for all? You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but the bigotry is so obvious. Keep spewing your hatred and believe me, everyone on this website will shun you. Who wants to be associated with a bigot?Those people feel the same way about us , but I guess they aren't to be called Bigots. I know I for one, am fed up with users of the American people. No matter what religion they are or the color of their skin. It's they're actions. Go to stat care and sit for a couple hours and just watch how many people come through with a card to charge they're bills to the American tax payers. They seem to enjoy using us.

Paul Brown

06-08-2008, 11:51 AM

Those people feel the same way about us

"THOSE people feel the same about US"? Wow, nothing like screaming separatism.

monte81

06-08-2008, 12:06 PM

"THOSE people feel the same about US"? Wow, nothing like screaming separatism.

Only time race is not an issue for people in Massillon is knowing who the Tiger RB may be each year! Besides that---sometimes a select majority cannot help but to let the sheets show!! I just hope or new coach doesn't fall for the trap!

The KKK wears suits and ties now!!

Austinism11--McCain not voting for MLK Day is/was a slap in the face for every American who struggled for the Civil Rights Movement. Why do we have Presidents Day, Veterans Day, etc,...

When Obama wins you and all the closet racists can go to Alabama and start the new WHite America movement if you dont like it!

austinsm11

06-08-2008, 12:11 PM

Austinism11--McCain not voting for MLK Day is/was a slap in the face for every American who struggled for the Civil Rights Movement. Why do we have Presidents Day, Veterans Day, etc,...

You do realize the comments that Hilary made implying that President Johnson was more important to the Civil Rights movement that MKL, don't you????

I agree what McCain did was wrong, but I guess you can't be objective to realize the things that Hilary and Obama have done.

howard roark

06-08-2008, 12:54 PM

austinsm11

06-08-2008, 01:35 PM

It is funny that I am a closet racist, for pointing out what all sides have said/done, yet the person you want to elect talks about the "typical white person," and also had the black panther logo on his website.

I don't agree with what McCain did, but you need to look at what all of the candidates have said/done.

Perhaps you need to look in the mirror as far as the closet racist comment.

savage4president

06-08-2008, 04:17 PM

It's becoming so much clearer everytime you post that your problem with Omaba, people of color and people of other faiths is because they look and think differently than you do....nothing else. Why is MLK day important? Are you kidding me? You tell others to read a newspaper....how about opening your eyes? Why do you think we should a day of rememberance for the single most important figure connected to the transformation of this country, in regards to equality for all? You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but the bigotry is so obvious. Keep spewing your hatred and believe me, everyone on this website will shun you. Who wants to be associated with a bigot?

I never said we should not have it. I never said MLK was not a great guy, and he indeed has drastically improved life for Blacks in America. However, would you agree that there are thousands of individuals that struggled to improve life for Americans? Would you agree that Caesar Chavez was an incredibly important advocate? Why is there not a day for him and the other thousands of people that have fought the good fight? I for one do indeed support MLK day, I think it is important for men and women that have done great things to be remembered.

Once again...I challenge you to find something in your life that helps you relax. Dude...you really need an enema!!

Indiana95

06-08-2008, 04:53 PM

Once again...I challenge you to find something in your life that helps you relax. Dude...you really need an enema!!

I just spit out my diet coke. Salt water fishing and golfing already relax me. Maybe I need a break from MP.com to relax. (After the election....LOL

npaflas

06-08-2008, 04:54 PM

OK, engineer boy I'm going to go slow to make sure you understand this. We are not wasting money in Iraq. Now, I'm saying this is right but what we are doing is adding to our national debt to fund the war in Iraq. This is NOT money that would be used for something else. But hey, I'm sure you know more than me about this. Hell, you're 25 and an engineer. If we weren't over there then this country would be in better shape. Spending all the money for the war is not helping any thing out. It would help out if they worrie about what is going on over here. Instead of wasting money over there. And i heard they are runnig out of money for the war.

CarlE

06-08-2008, 05:30 PM

I never said we should not have it. I never said MLK was not a great guy, and he indeed has drastically improved life for Blacks in America. However, would you agree that there are thousands of individuals that struggled to improve life for Americans? Would you agree that Caesar Chavez was an incredibly important advocate? Why is there not a day for him and the other thousands of people that have fought the good fight? I for one do indeed support MLK day, I think it is important for men and women that have done great things to be remembered.

Once again...I challenge you to find something in your life that helps you relax. Dude...you really need an enema!!

Actually, with the way the population of the US is heading, perhaps a Caesar Chavez day IS more in order than an MLK day. I mean Geez Louise when I call customer service I DO hear "press one for English, two for Spanish". I DON'T hear "press one for English, press two for Rap". Sure makes you think, doesn't it? LOL.

DAWGH8R

06-08-2008, 06:49 PM

. I DON'T hear "press one for English, press two for Rap". Sure makes you think, doesn't it? LOL.

Actually CarlE, it's press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish, and press 3 for EBONICS !!

Big W 36

06-08-2008, 08:56 PM

I'm not sure where the comment : "Why do we have Presidents Day and Veterans Day"origanated ,I think it came up on Monte 81 thread ?

We"ll it's like a "LOST BALL IN THE HIGH WEEDS'' not to know those answers. I've never been President ( Thank Goodness), but I am a veteran U.S.M.C. 1953-1957 and I am proud to have served. I believe all the presidents and veterans deserve a day to be honored. Funny I can't ever remember getting a day off work at my job for these holidays. It doesn't matter who the next President will be , I doubt the country will see that much of a change. If you live long enough you''ll see what I mean.. I'm a veteran, John Mc Cains a veteran He's my guy. Any man who spent 5 plus years a prisoner of war deserves as much right to the White House as anybody ( My Opinion).

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ONCE, NOW, AND ALWAYS GO TIGERS" :rockon:

reofan82

06-08-2008, 10:03 PM

No comments made toward whites in particular! NO COMPARISON INHO! I justed stated how I feel and you have that right also. You will vote, I will vote, the public can vote, etc,... and we will just see who wins! However, did I state I was voting for Obama?????? HAHAHAHAHA---I guess he gets my vote because he is bi-racial, oh, I mean BLACK!

When Obama wins you and all the closet racists can go to Alabama and start the new WHite America movement if you dont like it!

I guess now we know who you are voting for.....

Ah, the race card so early. Such a convenient excuse. If Obama loses it will because of all the racists. It won't be because his policies are wrong or he lacks the kind of experience he needs to be president. What about all the people who will vote for Obama because he IS black? Isn't that racism? or people who will not vote for McCain because he is older? Isn't that Ageism? What do you think the outcome would be if say, Colin Powell were running for president? I believe he would be elected handily. He happens to be black. What is the difference between he and Obama. Experience, proven leadership, policies and beliefs where the majority of people are? Until the "isms" cease to become an excuse for lack of success, we will be forced to continue to discuss a persons characteristics to which a person has no control, or the qualifications, beliefs and experience of the candidates which are in their control.