OHSAA reviewing division format in football

[Kamd50]

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OHSAA reviewing division format in football
Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio - The Ohio High School Athletic Association is reconsidering its plan to reduce the huge disparity in enrollments between schools that play in the large-school division in its football tournament, the association's board said Wednesday.

The sanctioning body for the state's prep sports approved a plan in June that would put a smaller number of schools in Division I, then disperse the extra schools among the other divisions. The plan is to take effect a year from now.

The current format places an equal number of schools in each division of OHSAA tournaments that have more than one division.

While the rule stands for other sports, in which all schools make the tournament, the football playoffs feature only 32 schools from each of the six divisions.

Smaller schools have expressed concerns that the new plan favors their big school counterparts because the number of eligible teams in Division I will be smaller than the number of teams in other divisions....................
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/15567194.htm

[xtiger]

Let's hope they get it right this time........And split the Public schools from
the Parochial schools!



Come on OHSAA, grow a sack!

[xtiger]

Here's another story http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=10497&Category=

Football division change could wait
By CHRIS EASTERLING
Chris.Easterling@IndeOnline.com


All the talk regarding a possible drop to Division II by the Massillon football team could be put on the backburner for the time being.


The Ohio High School Athletic Association has decided to take a closer look at the possible effects of a policy that would rearrange prep football programs into divisions based on enrollment.


The policy, as it applies to other school athletics, will go into effect for the 2007-08 school year.


Football is the only point of contention.


“The plan is still for it to go into effect in 2007,” said Bob Goldring, OHSAA assistant commissioner/Director of Information. “The football portion has been put on hold. Once they gather the data, they’ll decide what course of action to take. The data may indicate they’re happy with the policy. They may decide not to implement it, or they may decide to study it some more.”


*EDIT by Obiefan. Please do not paste whole articles from the newspaper. Only a few sentences then provide a link...

Thanks!

[xtiger]

Let's hope they get it right this time........And split the Public schools from
the Parochial schools!



Come on OHSAA, grow a sack!
:iagree:

[DAWGH8R]

:doh2: Maybe they should have taken a closer look at it BEFORE announcing action earlier this year !!:doh2:

[ChronicTiger]

Let's hope they get it right this time........And split the Public schools from
the Parochial schools!



Come on OHSAA, grow a sack!

or maybe grow some and keep playing them........

[xtiger]

or maybe grow some and keep playing them........
That's why you have a regular season.:smartass:

P.S. Trust me, Massillon already has big bells!

[BigTime]

I am a bit disappointed in myself for not recognizing the ‘ol “trial balloon” strategy by the OHSAA. :laugh:

[monte81]

They need a new board and president at the OHSAA! They seem to make decisions before anylizing and considering affects of sudden abrupt changes in the system! This is getting to be a headache and I aint going to worry about it until it is some final arrangments!

[TigerCoach]

The new OHSAA Commissioner Dan Ross is actually a nice guy. I had the chance to have dinner with him a few years ago when he first became Commissioner. The problem with the OHSAA is that they give the coaches associations way too much power. This is part of the argument Smitty has that the parochial schools are in the ears and pockets of the Board of Control. Especially in football, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."

[JazzyJeff]

This is part of the argument Smitty has that the parochial schools are in the ears and pockets of the Board of Control. Especially in football, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."

Show us how you could possibly know this. Smitty has done nothing but fabricate stories and continue his own personal delusion.

For all the B.S. that Massillon fans get from other schools about recruiting, you'd think they'd offer an ounce of proof when accusing other schools of things.

[BigTime]

Show us how you could possibly know this. Smitty has done nothing but fabricate stories and continue his own personal delusion.

For all the B.S. that Massillon fans get from other schools about recruiting, you'd think they'd offer an ounce of proof when accusing other schools of things.

Dude, you just love stirring the pot don't 'ya. :jestera:

[JazzyJeff]

Dude, you just love stirring the pot don't 'ya. :jestera:

How am I stirring the pot? I'm not the one calling out the Board of Control for being corrupt (without any proof, BTW).

Its funny that whenever things don't go their way, posters accuse the OHSAA of favoring certain groups. Case in point, when the people in Columbus and SWO accuse Massillon and Canton of the same shananigans whenever the state championships are awarded to Stark County. The Stark County posters accuse the OHSAA of being extra vigilant against them. Public school posters accuse the privates of "greasing" the OHSAA Board of Control. It's all quite comical BTW, yet still zero proof.

[PainlessPaulus]

Show us how you could possibly know this. Smitty has done nothing but fabricate stories and continue his own personal delusion.

For all the B.S. that Massillon fans get from other schools about recruiting, you'd think they'd offer an ounce of proof when accusing other schools of things.

The whole wisdom saying is "The squeaky wheel gets the grease, but is also the first to be replaced". Have you seen the revision of the Illinois Football Div classes. Parochial is given an extra 1/2 point. Their public schools are delighted with the 2005 results. This might be the answer for Ohio also. We could call it the Notre Dame/ Michigan rule. LOL...

doug

[monte81]

Show us how you could possibly know this. Smitty has done nothing but fabricate stories and continue his own personal delusion.

For all the B.S. that Massillon fans get from other schools about recruiting, you'd think they'd offer an ounce of proof when accusing other schools of things.

SO you are telling me that Edwards and Oliver are catholics? Funny!!! You recruit from PA to Kentucky to get a star!!! How many of the minority athletes families can afford the tuition? Grants pay the way? Whwere is the money coming from? Catholic schools are the recruiting capitol in high schools!!! Even Colerain is crying that x and moe are stealing their players!!!

[JazzyJeff]

SO you are telling me that Edwards and Oliver are catholics? Funny!!! You recruit from PA to Kentucky to get a star!!! How many of the minority athletes families can afford the tuition? Grants pay the way? Whwere is the money coming from? Catholic schools are the recruiting capitol in high schools!!! Even Colerain is crying that x and moe are stealing their players!!!

What the hell are you talking about son?

[PDC]

SO you are telling me that Edwards and Oliver are catholics? Funny!!! You recruit from PA to Kentucky to get a star!!! How many of the minority athletes families can afford the tuition? Grants pay the way? Whwere is the money coming from? Catholic schools are the recruiting capitol in high schools!!! Even Colerain is crying that x and moe are stealing their players!!!


The whole implication that Eds gets players from other states is nonsense.

[BigTime]

It's all quite comical...

<<I'll be nice.>>

Good luck with Madonna this weekend!

[longtimefirsttime]

<<I'll be nice.>>

Good luck with Madonna this weekend!

She's easy pickings from what I hear. :wink:

[TigerCoach]

Show us how you could possibly know this. Smitty has done nothing but fabricate stories and continue his own personal delusion.

For all the B.S. that Massillon fans get from other schools about recruiting, you'd think they'd offer an ounce of proof when accusing other schools of things.


Here's a good example:

The Ohio High School Football Coaches Association determines who the officials are for the state tournament. They rate and vote for the officials during the season. (The basketball coaches do the same thing for their tournament.) The voting process has recently been altered to give the perception that the coaches association doesn't have total control, but it's still very heavily weighted in their control. Now, a head coach (Chuck Kyle or John Gibbons for example) isn't going to vote for a referee who just called 8 holding penalties against his team, or several late hits, etc. He is going to vote for the referees who seem to make the game smooth and let them do what they want during the game, within reason. Those are the refs he wants in the big games, especially the state tournament.

Do you think Chuck Kyle and John Gibbons have a higher presence and a little influence at the Coaches Association meetings than say, the coach at Cleveland East or Central Catholic? (Before you say "Well, those schools are in different divisions, their votes don't count towards Division I", your wrong. All votes are the same, no matter what division you are in. A referee who only works in Div VI during the season can get enough votes to officiate the Div. I State Title game.)

Now, don't tell me any different, because I'm an official. The officials who get the tournament votes are the ones who are most popular, friendly, butt-kissing guys in the area. If they can be nice to a coach, maybe works one of their games and things "go right", he can maybe get a vote from that coach. If your an official in the Cleveland area, who would you desire to officiate for? St. Ed's & St. Iggy, or an afternoon game with East Tech and JFK? As a result, officials are going out of their way to "please" the coaches who influence the voting process.

This is one example of how the big parochials are influencing the officiating system, at least in the football arena. The larger schools coach's have influence not only in their local Coaches Association, but with the OHSAA.

[JazzyJeff]

Here's a good example:

The Ohio High School Football Coaches Association determines who the officials are for the state tournament. They rate and vote for the officials during the season. (The basketball coaches do the same thing for their tournament.) The voting process has recently been altered to give the perception that the coaches association doesn't have total control, but it's still very heavily weighted in their control. Now, a head coach (Chuck Kyle or John Gibbons for example) isn't going to vote for a referee who just called 8 holding penalties against his team, or several late hits, etc. He is going to vote for the referees who seem to make the game smooth and let them do what they want during the game, within reason. Those are the refs he wants in the big games, especially the state tournament.

Unless Gibbons and Kyle are the only coaches voting, I fail to see your point. The sheer amount of coaches within the Association nullifies everything you just said.

Do you think Chuck Kyle and John Gibbons have a higher presence and a little influence at the Coaches Association meetings than say, the coach at Cleveland East or Central Catholic? (Before you say "Well, those schools are in different divisions, their votes don't count towards Division I", your wrong. All votes are the same, no matter what division you are in. A referee who only works in Div VI during the season can get enough votes to officiate the Div. I State Title game.)

Surely you aren't saying that Kyle bullies other coaches around? How ridiculous. I doubt Kyle or Gibbons have any more authority than public school coaches, including longtimers McDaniels, Jacques, etc.

Being the head coach at Ed's or Ignatius (of Benedictine) gives a coach no more pull than being the head coach at a high profile public school like Massillon, McKinley or Colerain, or more pull than a coach that has been around for quite awhile and has the respect of his collegues.

Now, don't tell me any different, because I'm an official. The officials who get the tournament votes are the ones who are most popular, friendly, butt-kissing guys in the area. If they can be nice to a coach, maybe works one of their games and things "go right", he can maybe get a vote from that coach. If your an official in the Cleveland area, who would you desire to officiate for? St. Ed's & St. Iggy, or an afternoon game with East Tech and JFK? As a result, officials are going out of their way to "please" the coaches who influence the voting process.

Again, you are assuming Ed's and Ignatius coaches run the association, which is not the case at all. Do yourself a favor and check out the OHSFCA Web site and read which officers come from which schools. Guess how many are from private schools (including the president, VPs, region officers, etc.)? One. Out of 30 officer positions, one is from a private school.

http://www.ohsfca.org/officers.htm

Yet, you still have proven anything other than refs want to work the best games. What a surprise. Do you think a ref would rather officiate McK vs. Massillon or Tuslaw vs. Fairless. Your point isn't private or Catholic school exclusive.

BTW, the accusation that Kyle and Gibbons bully fellow coaches around was one thing, however, you opened up a whole different can of worms when you accuse your fellow officials of fixing results in order to receive votes.

Do you realize what you are saying? Probably not, however, I doubt you can prove a word of it.

This is one example of how the big parochials are influencing the officiating system, at least in the football arena. The larger schools coach's have influence not only in their local Coaches Association, but with the OHSAA.

Again, you have yet to show a proven example of anything. We can use your so-called "example" with private and public schools alike.

BTW, with the attitude you have towards Ed's and Ignatius, I hope you never referee a game for either school.

[gotigers1]

Can we get this back on the subjet at hand?

The next one that hijacks this thread we get a time out!

[monte81]

What the hell are you talking about son?

Every pericial school in Ohio recruits players! Thats real and you know it!

[monte81]

How am I stirring the pot? I'm not the one calling out the Board of Control for being corrupt (without any proof, BTW).

Its funny that whenever things don't go their way, posters accuse the OHSAA of favoring certain groups. Case in point, when the people in Columbus and SWO accuse Massillon and Canton of the same shananigans whenever the state championships are awarded to Stark County. The Stark County posters accuse the OHSAA of being extra vigilant against them. Public school posters accuse the privates of "greasing" the OHSAA Board of Control. It's all quite comical BTW, yet still zero proof.

The championship games are played at PBTS and Fawcett because they are the best high school facilities in the state! And lets not forget that we are the birth city of football!

[DAWGH8R]

A lot of the Playoff sites are regulated by the almighty $$$$$$. If OHSAA thought they could NET more $$$$ elsewhere, the TITLE GAMES would be gone !!! :trophy:

[tiger4life]

The new OHSAA Commissioner Dan Ross is actually a nice guy. I had the chance to have dinner with him a few years ago when he first became Commissioner. The problem with the OHSAA is that they give the coaches associations way too much power. This is part of the argument Smitty has that the parochial schools are in the ears and pockets of the Board of Control. Especially in football, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."

If they would limit enrollment in the parochials to the city in which they exist and make them pay the publix back for the student they recruit the problem would instantly go away.

The parochial's can't even relate to what it is like to run a program like Massillon as small as it is becomming - living under the restrictions that all pub's do and still whip their tail in the finals. This is why a win is so sweet from the parochials. Massillon against all odds pulling it off. Not many pubs will put it on the line like Massillon.

What a great time to be a Tiger!

[91' alum]

Interesting post. Shed light on something I had never though of. Makes an interesting topic