Rape Charges

[mommy]

Boy, these younger boys involved in this case should kiss the ground they walk on....just think, if they were a couple of years older, they would be in this same position...FOR LIFE.......can you imagine.....but as we all know they should of know better, especially the older boys.....

Do the right thing and get everything back together again. Stay out of trouble and follow the POs guidelines, so this does not happen to any of the younger boys.....

Just imagine, registering for life as being a sex offender.....

[SuperBran]

Just imagine, registering for life as being a sex offender.....

yeah, i really feel for those people (insert sarcasm here).

[monte81]

I find it hard to understand that 3 people involved under 18 at the time are facing 1st degree felony convictions while the other boys got probation and an essay assignment. JMHO

The sentences is not fair across the board IMO. All the boys were under 18 but Mr. Smith(22 who needs locked up) but the sentencing is so spread apart.

McCole is locked up for probation violations for smoking pot not the rape itself until sentencing.

[mtigers4real]

yeah, i really feel for those people (insert sarcasm here).

How about a 19 year old senior in High School that days after his birthday gets charged with a felony because his 15 year old Sophmore in high school girlfriend doesn't turn 16 for another month and they consider anything beyond holding hands a "sex offense".

Now that same guy at 30 can't get a job because not even lawn mowing companies will hire a registered sex offender. Restaurants are too worried about someone coming in and seeing him that knows he is a "sex offender" and flipping out. Forget getting a promotion anywhere... noone wants a sex offender as a supervisor... imagine the press!

But right, he deserves it... right?

Do you realize a judge can label you a sex offender for a public urination offense? Think about that at the next tailgate.

Some sex offenders deserve every bit of difficulty they get, but the system is very much broken. A person who rapes someone, molests a child, ect.. is given the same label the above listed teenager, a guy who gets arrested by a cop for peeing in the bushes, or even a couple that parked out in the country and got frisky in their car... and the government wants to expand the use of "sex offender" status.

Oh ya, did I mention that same kid can barely find a place to live because he has to live a certain distance away from a school?

BTW, I know someone in the situation listed above.

Registering as a sex offender should be used to indicate that a person may pose a further danger and serve as a warning to the innocent, not used as a form of punishment that labels someone the same as rapist for any offense that may be in any way considered sexual... Honestly, would you rather have your government spend their time tracking rapists and child molesters, or splitting that time with 30 year olds that had a 15 year old girlfriend when they were 19? FYI, this is a VERY common thing, not the exception to the rule.

[02teleprograd]

It is as much as the girls fault as it is the boys.

Parents too.

[mommy]

one of the girls involved in this whole situation, she "supposedly" was at a party about 3-4 weeks ago, doing the same thing again....grinding on a 20 y/o man...the kids saw her there....now nothing has changed for her it seems.....this is all here say, but they said she was there....

[mike_da_man13]

How about a 19 year old senior in High School that days after his birthday gets charged with a felony because his 15 year old Sophmore in high school girlfriend doesn't turn 16 for another month and they consider anything beyond holding hands a "sex offense".

Now that same guy at 30 can't get a job because not even lawn mowing companies will hire a registered sex offender. Restaurants are too worried about someone coming in and seeing him that knows he is a "sex offender" and flipping out. Forget getting a promotion anywhere... noone wants a sex offender as a supervisor... imagine the press!

But right, he deserves it... right?

Do you realize a judge can label you a sex offender for a public urination offense? Think about that at the next tailgate.

Some sex offenders deserve every bit of difficulty they get, but the system is very much broken. A person who rapes someone, molests a child, ect.. is given the same label the above listed teenager, a guy who gets arrested by a cop for peeing in the bushes, or even a couple that parked out in the country and got frisky in their car... and the government wants to expand the use of "sex offender" status.

Oh ya, did I mention that same kid can barely find a place to live because he has to live a certain distance away from a school?

BTW, I know someone in the situation listed above.

Registering as a sex offender should be used to indicate that a person may pose a further danger and serve as a warning to the innocent, not used as a form of punishment that labels someone the same as rapist for any offense that may be in any way considered sexual... Honestly, would you rather have your government spend their time tracking rapists and child molesters, or splitting that time with 30 year olds that had a 15 year old girlfriend when they were 19? FYI, this is a VERY common thing, not the exception to the rule.

idk when you went to high school but those types of kids that dated down like 4yrs were made fun of heavily. if your dating 12 or 15yr olds and your about to graduate high school you deserve to be labeled a creeper. how would you feel if your daughter was dating someone almost 4yrs older than her while in hs?
you bring up other good points though but sleeping with someone at that age and that big of an age difference in my opinion is a big deal.

[mike_da_man13]

one of the girls involved in this whole situation, she "supposedly" was at a party about 3-4 weeks ago, doing the same thing again....grinding on a 20 y/o man...the kids saw her there....now nothing has changed for her it seems.....this is all here say, but they said she was there....
it really is quite sad to bad the court cant do anything about the deadbeats. anyway im glad to see that you and your family learned from the ordeal if noone else did.

[SuperBran]

How about a 19 year old senior in High School that days after his birthday gets charged with a felony because his 15 year old Sophmore in high school girlfriend doesn't turn 16 for another month and they consider anything beyond holding hands a "sex offense".

Now that same guy at 30 can't get a job because not even lawn mowing companies will hire a registered sex offender. Restaurants are too worried about someone coming in and seeing him that knows he is a "sex offender" and flipping out. Forget getting a promotion anywhere... noone wants a sex offender as a supervisor... imagine the press!

But right, he deserves it... right?

Do you realize a judge can label you a sex offender for a public urination offense? Think about that at the next tailgate.

Some sex offenders deserve every bit of difficulty they get, but the system is very much broken. A person who rapes someone, molests a child, ect.. is given the same label the above listed teenager, a guy who gets arrested by a cop for peeing in the bushes, or even a couple that parked out in the country and got frisky in their car... and the government wants to expand the use of "sex offender" status.

Oh ya, did I mention that same kid can barely find a place to live because he has to live a certain distance away from a school?

BTW, I know someone in the situation listed above.

Registering as a sex offender should be used to indicate that a person may pose a further danger and serve as a warning to the innocent, not used as a form of punishment that labels someone the same as rapist for any offense that may be in any way considered sexual... Honestly, would you rather have your government spend their time tracking rapists and child molesters, or splitting that time with 30 year olds that had a 15 year old girlfriend when they were 19? FYI, this is a VERY common thing, not the exception to the rule.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~misterx/steve/images/cry_me_a_river.jpg

i have no sympathy for any sex offender, regardless of the situation. you know the rules, so follow them. a 19 year old shouldn't be having sex with a 15 year old, just like an 18 year old shouldn't have sex with a 14 year old or a 17 year old with a 13 year old. there's a reason we have these laws.

[Tiger77]

The problem here is these kids probably didn't know the rules. I'm not defending these boys but kids do stupid things without thinking. Especially at this age when their hormones are raging. It's a shame the girls are not being penalized in some way. They deserve some kind of repercussions. Obviously their parents aren't leading them in the right direction. If there was a consequence for their actions, maybe they wouldn't be out there hitting on older guys again and making the same mistakes.

[mtigers4real]

The problem here is these kids probably didn't know the rules. I'm not defending these boys but kids do stupid things without thinking. Especially at this age when their hormones are raging. It's a shame the girls are not being penalized in some way. They deserve some kind of repercussions. Obviously their parents aren't leading them in the right direction. If there was a consequence for their actions, maybe they wouldn't be out there hitting on older guys again and making the same mistakes.

I agree, and disagree. I don't think they need to punish the girls persay, but they should investigate the parents. I can understand if there was one incident that you can't keep a 12-13 year old under lock and key and 24 hour supervision, but with the scope we are talking about here... that screams neglect and a lack of care about that child.

[Tiger77]

I agree, and disagree. I don't think they need to punish the girls persay, but they should investigate the parents. I can understand if there was one incident that you can't keep a 12-13 year old under lock and key and 24 hour supervision, but with the scope we are talking about here... that screams neglect and a lack of care about that child.

Why do you think the girls should not be held accountable for doing the same things the boys did? There is a real double standard here.

[mtigers4real]

Why do you think the girls should not be held accountable for doing the same things the boys did? There is a real double standard here.

True, but there are mental and reasoning developmental differences between boys at their age and girls at theirs. I absolutely think there needs to be corrective action taken with the girls, but I think it should be the responsibility of their parents/guardians, and that the parents should be checked out to make sure they are not encouraging this behavior that is/could be harmful to their children. If anything is done by the government in regards to the girls, perhaps it should be something of an alternative type action. Perhaps they spend a day with a single mother, or are talked to by a woman who got an std as a teen and explain how adversely that effected their life.

It's isn't really a double standard because I would suggest the same thing for a 12 year old, even if that kid was a boy and the older kids were girls. Bad decisions, especially regarding sex, as a teen can make a HUGE and often devastating effect on the rest of their lives.

[SuperBran]

the one thing to keep in mind is that there is a difference between a rape charge and a charge for unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. i'll admit that i've not kept up with the criminal law, but if i remember correctly per the ohio revised code the age for rape is under 13, while the age for unlawful sexual conduct with a minor is 13-16. i'm too lazy to look it up, so someone correct me if i'm wrong. there's NO excuse someone could (or should) give for being charged after having sex with someone under 13.

[mtigers4real]

the one thing to keep in mind is that there is a difference between a rape charge and a charge for unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. i'll admit that i've not kept up with the criminal law, but if i remember correctly per the ohio revised code the age for rape is under 13, while the age for unlawful sexual conduct with a minor is 13-16. i'm too lazy to look it up, so someone correct me if i'm wrong. there's NO excuse someone could (or should) give for being charged after having sex with someone under 13.

I agree with you here. I don't have a problem with the charges per the crime, but I think they need to overhaul the sex offender label to more accurately fit the crime.

For instance, everything you listed above gets you labeled as a "sex offender" but rape should get you a more severe label, perhaps different labels could be "Rape offender", "Molestation offender", "Sex Offender", "statutory offender", "sex related offender", "indecency offender" would give a better idea to people who the criminal is and actually what they did so a better judgment could be made if that person works at a place you frequent. Also, a better effort should be made to get the lesser offenders off of the list if they don't have any similar crimes within a shorter period... for instance, if a 18 year old kid had non-intercourse sexual realtions with a 15 year old, if that kid is 25 and have no other offenses do you honestly think that kid is likely to go after children or is it likely he was just a little taken by the hormones of an 18 year old without the fully developed judgment of an adult?

[pnthrfan]

for instance, if a 18 year old kid had non-intercourse sexual realtions with a 15 year old, if that kid is 25 and have no other offenses do you honestly think that kid is likely to go after children or is it likely he was just a little taken by the hormones of an 18 year old without the fully developed judgment of an adult?

You have got to stop using "hormones" as an excuse for poor judgement. There is no reason for an 18 year old man to be with a 15 year old girl, but then again, that's just my opinion.

[mike_da_man13]

You have got to stop using "hormones" as an excuse for poor judgement. There is no reason for an 18 year old man to be with a 15 year old girl, but then again, that's just my opinion.

thats the way i always thought of it. How do you not know that dating someone who is 4yrs apart is wrong? Do they live under a rock all year long devoid of reason?

[mike_da_man13]

You have got to stop using "hormones" as an excuse for poor judgement. There is no reason for an 18 year old man to be with a 15 year old girl, but then again, that's just my opinion.

thats the way i always thought of it. How do you not know that dating someone who is 4yrs apart is wrong? Do they live under a rock all year long devoid of reason?

[Kamd50]

Let's face it, whether it was back in the day or now, any 19 year old guy that was known to be dating a 14,15, or 16 year old was pretty much looked upon as some kind of a loser to begin with that couldn't manage to hook up with someone closer to his own age and mental maturity level.

[mtigers4real]

Wow... it must feel good to just delete someone's post when they post something that contradicts your opinion.

[obiefan]

:offtopic: and also publicly questioning a moderator action.


Wow... it must feel good to just delete someone's post when they post something that contradicts your opinion.

[mommy]

and I know it doesn't change the law at all, but lets all remember that these girls said they were 16 and 17 years old to begin with.....and they look and act the part as well.....

I TOLD MY SON, WHEN THE TIME COMES, YOU MAKE SURE YOU CHECK ALL THERE PROPER I.D. IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FOR-SURE WAY TO AVOID ANY TROUBLES......per a very hard and valuable learning experience.......

[austinsm11]

and I know it doesn't change the law at all, but lets all remember that these girls said they were 16 and 17 years old to begin with.....and they look and act the part as well.....

I TOLD MY SON, WHEN THE TIME COMES, YOU MAKE SURE YOU CHECK ALL THERE PROPER I.D. IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FOR-SURE WAY TO AVOID ANY TROUBLES......per a very hard and valuable learning experience.......

Actually, that wouldn't be the for-sure way.

[shortbev]

and maybe if people waited until they truly knew that person, before engaging in sexual behavior...not the first time you meet...then, these situations may not happen...what is happening is the penalty for "casual sex"...there are always consequences to pay for behavior that goes against God's direction...

there are risks enough inside of marriage, let alone outside of it...

in other words...think with the right head...keep the zippers zipped...no matter what the sex...

this is what i practiced as a single person in my 30s...let alone while in my teens...

[mommy]

yes that is what i preach to my kids also, but i am not always with them...they know what i want and expect of them, but that does not always mean they choose that route...I WISH THEY DID, but then i would have a set of PERFECT BOYS and I know I dont......they have definately made some wrong choices in their teen years, but who does not and that is how we learn in life.....from the mistakes we have made along the way.....everyone is not perfect, we can only guide them and show them all the love we can.....

[pnthrfan]

and I know it doesn't change the law at all, but lets all remember that these girls said they were 16 and 17 years old to begin with.....and they look and act the part as well.....

You're right it doesn't.

I TOLD MY SON, WHEN THE TIME COMES, YOU MAKE SURE YOU CHECK ALL THERE PROPER I.D. IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FOR-SURE WAY TO AVOID ANY TROUBLES

What if they are younger then 16 and don't have a driver's license? Is he to ask for their birth certificate instead?

[mommy]

as crazy as it sounds that is exactly what i told him, but shit he doesn't even have a license yet, so what do you do....i know its crazy and we should not even have to worry about these type of things, but its there and they are going to do it. He has learned a valuable lesson and lets hope he has that in the front of his mind the next time he is in a situation like that....

[Dr Strangemind]

Pathetic ... hasn't anybody heard of accountability?

[mommy]

ACCOUNTABILITY...yes we have hard of that...he is being held accountable for his actions...WHAT ABOUT HER....she has not been?????!!!!!!

IM THROUGH WITH THIS....my son has been punished and the punishment is more than fair that he received....he just has to believe and move on....use his head the right way....he will be fine in life....he has learned a VALUABLE LESSON from this!!!!!!!!

[DAWGH8R]

Can we just lock this thread. The previous thread on the same subject ran it's course WAY too long !!:bomb:

[pnthrfan]

he has learned a VALUABLE LESSON from this!!!!!!!!

Yes, we know. He should check the girl's proper I.D before he does something he shouldn't be doing in the first place. (including birth certificates)

[mommy]

yes he did, whether you believe it or not......kids are not perfect and neither are we....they will make mistakes and learn, just as we did and do.....

Kids these days are having sex whether you want to believe it or not....some choose to ignore that, but it is a FACT OF LIFE....they are having sex as teens and this fact of life will never change....