Parochial schools rule sports

[obie7661]

Parochial schools rule sports

http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/19062939.html

[TigerCoach]

I read this article this morning. It was the main story on the front page. I don't know what brought this up in May, but it certainly is true, the parochial school have the upper hand. Grant Conzuman, AD at Walsh Jesuit even agrees. They should have called Smitty and interviewed him for this story.

[heliogunner]

I can vouch for this artical. I coach soccer at Tuslaw High School and when we play a private school its not a fair fight.

[ChronicTiger]

Well.....I dont know what to say......If we when a DI State Championship I would hope we would blast through Mck and a couple Parochials on the way.......2005 would of been perfect....

Lets get one in the current format and then people can lobby against parochials......

I can see it now.....we win our first with the Parochials in a different division......WHAT A BUZZKILL!!!!

[obiefan]

Interestingly enough... Tiger Don wrote an artical proclaiming nearly the same on June 12, 2003...

http://massillonproud.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=1055462110

[TigerCoach]

I don't know if Smitty wrote an article, but he's been saying this (as have many Tiger fans) since 1975.

[hartville tiger]

This has been going on for years? When St. Ignatious has so many freshman go out for football that they have a a and a b squad. You tell me how all of those players can afford the cost of the school. All the private schools will come back and say well public school have open enrollment. Ask all the public schools in Youngstown whether they think its fair. Cinn. it's even worse between xavier , moller, princeton what do the public schools do. There was a case in akron a few years ago when a girl track star was enrolled at Hoban for 3 years and her senior year decided to transfer to her home school firestone. Why did she wait until her senior year to transfer. I tell you why her schooly was secured after her junior year and she transfered to be close to home. I think athlete should be allowed to transfer once either their freshman or sophmore years after that they should have to sit out a year unless their family moves out of the district. This crap with OJ Mayo going to 3 different schools in Highschool stinks of corruption. Private schools claim to be better academically but not all of their jocks can't do the work.

[Paul Brown]

Cinn. it's even worse between xavier , moller, princeton what do the public schools do.

When did Cin. Princeton go private?

[hartville tiger]

When did Cin. Princeton go private?

You do get my point is that private schools can field an allstar team where public schools are stuck with what they have.How many of those jocks are really catholic or even practice religion.

[The Voice]

Said it once; I'll say it again.. There needs to be 2 divisions..a parochial division and a public division with a championship game between the two top teams at the end of the season..Problem is..this scenerio will never happen !

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[mike_da_man13]

what we need to do is get rid of the mentality that because they are parochial or private that they are better than us physically and mentally! Trust me at college i've met people from chanel, ndcl, st. iggy, hoban, walsh, and st eds. trust me when i say not all of them but about half of them were as unprepared academically as i was for college(trust me i was a bad student in hs). The whole beliefs that private schools are better is complete bullcrap sports like education are what you make of it!

[Smitty]

... They should have called Smitty and interviewed him for this story.


I wish.

[Paul Brown]

The biggest difference b/w Massillon and St. Ignatius isn't that Iggy can recruit. The biggest difference is Iggy doesn't have discipline problems.. Iggy doesn't have kids getting arrested every year. Iggy has parents of kids who are involved in their life and care what the hell their kid is doing at all hours. Iggy's coaches don't have to deal with kids who feel they can just quit when the coach yells at them. Iggy student parents back the coach when he says something.
You're right, it is a night and day difference b/w parochial and public.. but it has nothing to do with recruiting. Be honest with ourselves here.

[mike_da_man13]

The biggest difference b/w Massillon and St. Ignatius isn't that Iggy can recruit. The biggest difference is Iggy doesn't have discipline problems.. Iggy doesn't have kids getting arrested every year. Iggy has parents of kids who are involved in their life and care what the hell their kid is doing at all hours. Iggy's coaches don't have to deal with kids who feel they can just quit when the coach yells at them. Iggy student parents back the coach when he says something.
You're right, it is a night and day difference b/w parochial and public.. but it has nothing to do with recruiting. Be honest with ourselves here.

i think this is about right

[caseybaby]

St. Washington h.s.????? back after we lost to moller my sr. year there was a lot going around saying change the name of the high school to St. Washington high tigers

[DAWGH8R]

Just EVEN the playing field, (recruiting), and all will be right again !!:evil:

[Paul Brown]

Just EVEN the playing field, (recruiting), and all will be right again !!:evil:

BS. We'll still have kids who quit at the drop of a hat when a coach gets hard on them. We'll still have kids who think they can do what the hell they want b/c they've been told that their whole lives. We'll still have kids getting arrested during the season. And we'll still have kids who parents don't give a shit if they went to class today or not and are academically ineligibile. Recruiting is the least of our concerns. Recruiting will do NOTHING to help us.

[giant lugey]

PB is a very wise man. His last 2 posts hit the nail on the head.

[TigerBob75]

I also read the article in the Akron Beacon. As I read on I realized something, there wasn't anything about Massillon, no one from Massillon made a comment or was interviewed. I remember years ago when we were saying something about the same thing ,we were being called whinners because we haven't won a championship yet. So does that make what we said a long time ago legit now since it made the front page? And that some one not from Massillon wrote it? Because every now-and-then the public school wins, nothing will change. But to be the best, beat the best. Massillon's time is coming.

[The Voice]

Sadly, PB's 'reality check' is right on the mark! Discipline and a code of ethics that is set by the coach and met by every player must be set in place. Unfortunately; because of todays 'differences' ; that coach may not have a team to field.

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[monte81]

We can NEVER stop kids from transferring to private schools just like open enrollment benefits us as well. However, we didn't lose to Iggy 8 straight times because they recruited or had beeter players we lost because we made mental errors when they didn't. Same in 2005 against St. X---- we refused to block the backside DE, used 2nd and 3rd unit guys on special teams:wall: and refused to play our famous nickle package all game that stopped opponents running and passing games all year. Now the Moeller Championship game was not fair because of recruiting but the last 4 times we reached the late playoff stages we self destructed----Iggy(1991,2001), WGH(2002), and X in 2005


Paul Brwon---- you are right in one aspect that the privates and parocials have 50-100 players dedicated to one goal---winning the championship and that makes the biggest differance. Other sports such as wrestling, basketball, etc,... kids are flocking to the best schools to play sports. Bath had 3 players who went DI but all 3 female athletes played at Walsh. Some coaches just know what to say to get the kids---its wrong but we have mentally overcome---we are better athletes!

[obie7661]

...As I read on I realized something, there wasn't anything about Massillon...

Yes there was.

[giant lugey]

While the parochial schools do have many advantages, the public schools have had some success. Look at some schools in our area.
Mck won back-to-back B Ball titles.
Lake and Hoover have won multiple softball titles.
Glen Oak has won multiple baseball titles.
Perry, while not winning a team title in wrestling, has won many individual titles.
I don’t know for sure, but I believe there have been individual titles in our area in swimming and track and maybe tennis.

It bothers me that we have not had one individual or team title, in recent history.
I would like to know when was the last time we produced a state champ of any sorts.
I just can’t believe that we can’t produce a state champ, even at the individual level, while other area schools are doing it.
These other area schools are public, not private.

So we can’t blame it all on the parochial schools, when we have had state champs in our own back yard.

[Red50Go]

BS. We'll still have kids who quit at the drop of a hat when a coach gets hard on them. We'll still have kids who think they can do what the hell they want b/c they've been told that their whole lives. We'll still have kids getting arrested during the season. And we'll still have kids who parents don't give a shit if they went to class today or not and are academically ineligibile. Recruiting is the least of our concerns. Recruiting will do NOTHING to help us.

Thats all true, but only furthers the point imo. You expect a public school like Glenville, WGH, McK, us, etc, to run themselves like Iggy or X? Not just an unrealistic expectation, but fundamentally impossible. We definitely need to improve, and I agree w/ monte, but we will never have admissions standards, zero state mandates, networking infrastructure (aka legal recruiting), or selection process they have but I guess we need to deal w/ it.

[Paul Brown]

No, WE need to make a change and it needs to happen soon. We need our coach to instill discipline on our team. WE need to back our coach when he does. If a kid gets arrested, he’s off the team. If a kid quits, fine but he’s not coming back. If a kid has an unexcused absence from practice, he doesn’t play this week and he runs like hell all week long for skipping practice. If a kid is missing school and his grades drop below a 2.0 he’s getting tutoring or he’s off the team until next report card. If a kid talks back to the coach, he doesn’t play this week and he’s running like hell all week. If a kid dogs it in practice he runs like hell after practice.
I’d rather go 0-10 with a bunch of good young men busting their asses for the team than put up with the crap from the last few years. It needs to change and making excuses and saying “oh poor us and our circumstances” isn’t going to change it.

[massillon catholic]

No, WE need to make a change and it needs to happen soon. We need our coach to instill discipline on our team. WE need to back our coach when he does. If a kid gets arrested, he’s off the team. If a kid quits, fine but he’s not coming back. If a kid has an unexcused absence from practice, he doesn’t play this week and he runs like hell all week long for skipping practice. If a kid is missing school and his grades drop below a 2.0 he’s getting tutoring or he’s off the team until next report card. If a kid talks back to the coach, he doesn’t play this week and he’s running like hell all week. If a kid dogs it in practice he runs like hell after practice.
I’d rather go 0-10 with a bunch of good young men busting their asses for the team than put up with the crap from the last few years. It needs to change and making excuses and saying “oh poor us and our circumstances” isn’t going to change it.


I think its going to be a night/day difference from last year.

[monte81]

No private school has better athletes than public schools all-around. However, we have made it an issue in sports for some reason.

GO HARD OR GO HOME----work harder and success will follow! No excuses not to play and win when it comes to Tiger athletics---PERIOD!!!! I see this as the problem because we are putting it in our kids heads mentally that they cannot win which is BS! St. X had better athletes than we had in 2005? HELL NO---they had a better coach, better discipline on the field, etc,...

We had 6/7 DI college players on the field and X had 2 of them. However, they made fewer mistakes.


ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE CORRECTED TO ALLOW US ANOTHER TITLE!!

[WheatCity]

Thats all true, but only furthers the point imo. You expect a public school like Glenville, WGH, McK, us, etc, to run themselves like Iggy or X? Not just an unrealistic expectation, but fundamentally impossible. We definitely need to improve, and I agree w/ monte, but we will never have admissions standards, zero state mandates, networking infrastructure (aka legal recruiting), or selection process they have but I guess we need to deal w/ it.

The answer is simple. Consistancy at the top (See Iggy) - for once, a system that permeates the football infrastructure from flag to varsity.
The situation is such - we have to be disciplined and consistant in approach so that when a special team comes along, we have the ability to capitalize.

See Hilliard Davidson

As Monte said, mental mistakes and execution have cost us championships. If you play the same system from the time your 6, those opportunities for mistakes will drop exponentially.

The author of Massillon Memories will know better, but in that book somewhere, someone said that we are not athelets, we are football players. Lets take advantage of that for once.

[MSlater]

I found out that Iggy turns away 600 kids a year from enrolling at their school. Turned away 600 kids...That number startled me. The last time the Herby was here a few years ago the different schools outside of Ohio all said the same thing...the parochial schools have a different league because of what they do:thumbsdown:

[Tigermedic]

Your statement is so far from the truth, I cant believe you would even post it. My neighbor coaches for Iggy. They turn away very few kids. Less than 100. This area is covered with private schools many with girls, which is were most boys want to be. Plus Iggys price is sky high many cant afford it.
Bottom line if you have the grades and the tuition you will be accepted.Do your homework next time..

[freddy g]

I agree with both sides of this. There are some advantages to having open enrollment. I wouldn't say it has anything to do with talent, but when you're putting together a football team, or any sports team. It's a little easier pulling players from 1000 kids compared to 500. Like Monte said, get that mindset out of our attitude that we're at a disadvantage. If your going to make excuses, don't even waste your time.

I would disagree with PB though. All parochs have their discipline problems, they're just not made public as much as public schools problems. Who do you think runs the papers and news? The people that send their kids to private schools. I live right between Parma Padua and Parma Hts Holy Name, and just a few miles from Iggy. With a lot of Ignatius students in my neighborhood. You hear of many kids getting into trouble for things from curfew, fighting, drugs, teenage pregnancy, all that.