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giant lugey
09-19-2006, 07:41 AM
Was anyone else surprised by the Pooch Kicks?
Al.
09-19-2006, 07:54 AM
There are several ways to improve upon the weak spots of the kick return coverage that were exposed by Moeller. Apparently the coaching staff felt that the "pooch kick" would be the most effective way against Hamilton. However, that being said, they may use a different approach against Mentor.
Red50Go
09-19-2006, 08:02 AM
Hamilton, as well as 3-4 of our top opponents have very dangerous return teams. So no, I dont mind the other team starting from their own 30-35 yard line. Keep punting to the sidelines too! (Or dont punt at all, lol).
SuperBran
09-19-2006, 08:49 AM
as long as we don't punt on third down.
monte81
09-19-2006, 08:56 AM
We have had problems covering kicks and punts since the Shepis days! If Stacy feels that we can hold teams starting at the 35-40 yard line thats fine with me! I just dont understand why with all the talent we have we cant cover special teams!!!!
All I want for christmas is a DI Championship so however and whatever it takes Im down with the team!!!
Maul Mentor!!!!
TigerCoach
09-19-2006, 09:34 AM
I think the pooch kicks are good, but we have to at least get it down to the 25 yd line! I agree, Monte, I don't know why we can't cover kicks. It's a mental thing IMO. You need to be a crazed animal to sprint down the field, beat a block and make a hit. It's attitude, not just physical ability.
CarlE
09-19-2006, 10:03 AM
I was thinking the same thing. If this kid has such a golden leg, why aren't we "pooching" down to the 20-25. Seems our coverage should be able to make it down there. I guess.
monte81
09-19-2006, 10:35 AM
I think the pooch kicks are good, but we have to at least get it down to the 25 yd line! I agree, Monte, I don't know why we can't cover kicks. It's a mental thing IMO. You need to be a crazed animal to sprint down the field, beat a block and make a hit. It's attitude, not just physical ability.


TC,
I could not imagine myself not being on the kickoff and punt team! I used to love the contact and felt that I was always going to be the player who made the big hit! My senior year I sat out all scrimmages because of a partial ligament tear in my ankle--and coach lectavitis couldnt keep me off special teams with an soft cast on!!! The special teams need to be physical and have an definite i dont give a **** attitude!!! We have the players but are the researves we are using ready for that type of play so soon! We only use Irvin, gamble,and daily from the starting "D" om the punt team!
sly4458
09-19-2006, 11:42 AM
no i was not. we nailed them inside the 35. without giving up a good kick return. if its at the 20 or 25 the chance of having a dangerous return man get it. so i am ok with it . hey it worked.

go tigers
massillon always
TigerCoach
09-19-2006, 12:34 PM
Sly,

The concept of the pooch kick is to kick it very high and force them into a fair catch (or confuse them and let it hit the ground). Ideally, you want to get it to the 20 yard line or better. If we're going to use this strategy from here on, we need to find a kicker who can execute it. I, like many of us, thought Schott was one of the best kickers in Ohio. I don't understand why he's having trouble with pooches, or at least why he's not kicking it in the end zone. That negates any chances of returns also.
Dr Strangemind
09-19-2006, 12:36 PM
That was alot better than watching the other team scorch us on kickoff returns, so I liked it for the most part. But if you're going to pooch it, why not squib kick once in a while and possibly force a turnover?
giant lugey
09-19-2006, 01:09 PM
My guess is we probably got some film on this team and realized they had a very dangerous return man. Heck, they had a kid who ran 70 yards with one shoe. They did have some powerful runners with speed.
So unless the coach was sure Schott could boot it into the end zone, he went with the pooch to eliminate a big return.
I think the coach made a wise decision. It just took me by surprise and brought back nightmares of the 1991 playoff game against Iggy at the Rubber Bowl.
Red50Go
09-19-2006, 01:14 PM
If everybody could pooch a kick to the 20 for a fair catch then everybody would. I am cool w/ the 30-35 yard line vs the better teams. Unless we have the wind then Schott certainly has the leg to get to the endzone. THAT's the ideal weapon.
TigerCoach
09-19-2006, 02:02 PM
On a kick-off, you are not required to kick it from a tee. You can also punt the ball, which may give us a higher trajectory and time for coverage to get there. From the 30 yd line, a 50 yd punt would get it to the 30. Before you start replying, "We don't have a punter who can punt it 50 yards!", consider that the punting stats don't figure in that you actually punt the ball at least 8-10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Therefore, a 40 yd punt average is actually 50 yards.
crackerman
09-19-2006, 02:05 PM
God, I hope people on here remember this name. the best special teams player I have ever seen in high school was Gary Young from Massillon (maybe around 90 season?). He would fly down the field and was a true wedge buster. He use to fly over those guys and get flipped all around. He was the epitomey (sp) of a role player, who did what he needed to do to help the team win. Too many times kids wont accept small roles on teams that turn out huge in the end.
TigerCoach
09-19-2006, 02:12 PM
I remember that guy Crackerman. I thought it was Eric Wright when he was a sophomore/junior? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else?? Whoever it was would dive like freakin' Superman over the wedge and try to be a scud missile. Most of the time, he got flipped over, but he took out the wedge!
Obie Wan
09-19-2006, 02:32 PM
From the 30 yd line, a 50 yd punt would get it to the 30.
Actually, that would be a 40-yard punt. :poke:
TigerCoach
09-19-2006, 02:39 PM
Actually, that would be a 40-yard punt. :poke:

LOL, your right, so that makes it even better! We can punt it to the 20 yd line and force a fair catch.
DAWGH8R
09-19-2006, 03:17 PM
I have seen a lot of kids, at the high school level, botch these pooch kicks. I'm sure it sounds like a herd of buffalo stomping down the field !! Tough to concentrate !!! :rockin:
monte81
09-19-2006, 03:33 PM
God, I hope people on here remember this name. the best special teams player I have ever seen in high school was Gary Young from Massillon (maybe around 90 season?). He would fly down the field and was a true wedge buster. He use to fly over those guys and get flipped all around. He was the epitomey (sp) of a role player, who did what he needed to do to help the team win. Too many times kids wont accept small roles on teams that turn out huge in the end.

G. Young was an animal on the special teams and you are right it was 1990! He wore the orange and black proudly!
Tiger Flame
09-19-2006, 03:38 PM
Coach Stacy said at the booster club that the staff had decided that they weren,t going to let Taylor beat us on kickoff returns and went with the pooch kick. Steve Schott can kick it in the end zone some times but not with consistency and against a team with their speed,they were going to pooch it. I agree that it would have been nice to get them 10 yards deeper as it was like giving them a extra first down. He said that on film,their kicker had been reaching the end zone but he didn,t do it against us. The stradegy worked as we had over a 130 yards in kickoff returns and they had 20 to 30 yards. Go TIGERS BEAT MENTOR
DAWGH8R
09-19-2006, 03:54 PM
Whatever works !!!:gogogo:
Tiger Head
09-19-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by TigerCoach
Ideally, you want to get it to the 20 yard line or better. If we're going to use this strategy from here on, we need to find a kicker who can execute it. I, like many of us, thought Schott was one of the best kickers in Ohio. I don't understand why he's having trouble with pooches, or at least why he's not kicking it in the end zone.[/

TigerCoach, With all due respect. ALL 5 of Schott's Pooch kicks went EXACTLY (within 3 yards) where the coach told him to kick them. Believe me if he was told to hit the number 10 on the ten yard line he would hit it.
Chase Manhattan
09-19-2006, 04:51 PM
we need to find a kicker who can execute it. I don't understand why he's having trouble with pooches, or at least why he's not kicking it in the end zone.

I don't think that the word "COACH" belongs in your name! You really don't have a clue....

EDITED TO CHANGE THE CONTENT BACK TO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY POSTED IN THE COMMENT QUOTED.

ALSO...I'M NOT IN THE MOOD TO PUT UP WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS FROM A NEWBIE.
POSTER IS BANNED FOR A WEEK.
Smitty
09-19-2006, 05:32 PM
I don't think that the word "COACH" belongs in your name! You really don't have a clue....

WE don't know who YOU are, Chase; but you really don't want to challenge "TigerCoach" on his football resume. He's got a better CLUE than do 98% of the posters here. Take my word on that.
longtimefirsttime
09-19-2006, 06:45 PM
Coach Stacy said at the booster club that the staff had decided that they weren't going to let Taylor beat us on kickoff returns and went with the pooch kick. Then that's good enough for me. Anyone who saw him on the field should understand.
fyrewood
09-19-2006, 06:57 PM
WE don't know who YOU are, Chase; but you really don't want to challenge "TigerCoach" on his football resume. He's got a better CLUE than do 98% of the posters here. Take my word on that.

EXACTLY what I was thinking Smitty.....talk about someone not having a clue what he's talking about. If he only knew. LOL
TigerCoach
09-20-2006, 09:44 AM
Thanks for backing me up Smitty & Fyrewood! Let me get something straight. I'm not bashing Steve Schott or the strategy. I'm just saying that if we're going to pooch kick, we need to get it deeper than the 35. I don't think it's that hard to do.

Tiger Head, I can't imagine Coach Stacy telling him to kick it to the 35 yd line. If he is as accurate as you say, why wouldn't he tell him to pooch it between the 15-20? That would be perfect.
TigerCoach
09-20-2006, 09:45 AM
Mods, is getting banned on your first post a new OHSAA record?
ChronicTiger
09-20-2006, 10:12 AM
we need to find a kicker who can execute it. I don't understand why he's having trouble with pooches, or at least why he's not kicking it in the end zone.

:wtf:


I'm not bashing Steve Schott or the strategy


:eek:
giant lugey
09-20-2006, 10:39 AM
I think the reason not to kick past the 35, to say the 15 or 20, is because when it is that deep, our coverage may not get there, and then they can return it. Thus defeating the purpose of the pooch kick in the first place.

I am sorry I started this thread. How about shutting it down.
TigerCoach
09-20-2006, 10:44 AM
That is why you put your fastest guys (Sheegog, Massey, Turner, Herring) on the outside. I thought that concept was obvious to most of you.
monte81
09-20-2006, 11:08 AM
That is why you put your fastest guys (Sheegog, Massey, Turner, Herring) on the outside. I thought that concept was obvious to most of you.

My point exactly TC! You put your best on their best and let it go! 1st team players are always on high school special teams to avoid any mishaps or long plays! Even if we pooch punt or squib kick we need our best players out there!! It is just like putting the hands team in for on side kicks-- you are not going to have a lineman in to make a play on the ball!!
CarlE
09-20-2006, 01:18 PM
That is why you put your fastest guys (Sheegog, Massey, Turner, Herring) on the outside. I thought that concept was obvious to most of you.

FREAKING EXACTLY what I was trying to say. Damn, nobody said we had to keep the same people in there. Get your fast studs that can fly down the field like Keith Herring used to do and make sure nobody gets a chance to go anywhere. THEN, and ONLY then can you kick it down to the 20-25.

I swear, sometimes on here I feel like I'm freaking Bill Parcells, or at LEAST TigerCoach!! Ha Ha!