To be Super, gone!

[tig62]

Soon to be new Massillon superintendent resigns as of 5:00 PM today(Monday, 4/28). Here's the link:

http://www.indeonline.com/breaking/x828495453

Here's the link to the Canton Repository's article on the resignation:

http://cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=9&ID=409835&subCategoryID=0

[austinsm11]

Hmmmmmm......:scratchchin:


What the heck is going on?

[gotigers1]

I've heard grumblings of this....

[Kamd50]

What the heck is this crap?:doh:

[CarlE]

Un FREAKING BELIEVABLE. Who the hell is running the damn asylum up there, anyway?

[The Voice]

WOW ! .. This is indeed a shock!!! What next :wall:

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[CarlE]

You have to pass a test to become accredited to be a Superintendent, right?

[austinsm11]

You have to pass a test to become accredited to be a Superintendent, right?

This crossed my mind as well. Isn't he or wasn't he finishing up his schooling to become a superintendent?

[Indiana95]

You have to pass a test to become accredited to be a Superintendent, right?

I don't believe Ohio law requires a certification to become Superintendent. Sure would help and add a little bit of credibility to the system though....

[ChronicTiger]

I've heard grumblings of this....

Oh, Really........

:coolgleam:

[caseybaby]

Think back to a couple years ago he had the m.s. prinp....job in hand and did the same thing not a good track record if you ask me...resigning before he takes the helm twice with in a few years makes ya go hmmmmmm

[Red50Go]

Nice. Real nice. Whats next?



...Please dont answer that.

[Marie]

Think back to a couple years ago he had the m.s. prinp....job in hand and did the same thing not a good track record if you ask me...resigning before he takes the helm twice with in a few years makes ya go hmmmmmm

Two years ago the board never got a contract signed with him. He found another job while waiting.

[DAWGH8R]

What the F ???

This was an interesting part of the article.

The Massillon Board of Education voted after an executive session Monday night to eliminate the positions of Operations Superintendent Doug Becherucci and Building and Grounds Superintendent Dave Pape.
The vote was 3-1 to cut the positions effective July 1, with board member Evan Hannon dissenting. Board member Vicki Becherucci, wife of Doug Becherucci, was absent.
The moves are part of a consolidation and reorganization plan adopted April 5, 2007, aimed at saving the district more than $1 million. The responsibilities of the operations superintendent and building and grounds superintendent will transfer to Assistant Superintendent of Business Operations Mark Fortner.


Did Dave Pape have any input into the DREAM project or new locker room project, or was he involved in overseeing these projects ?? I thought that he took care of all the repair kinds of stuff. Just seems like a funny time to eliminate these 2 guys.

What does Fortner know about these 2 jobs ??

[MTigers006]

Yes Dave Pape did supervise and have input on the DREAM Project. This is the thanks he gets from it and also the nice show of appreciation to Doug Becherucci while they was at it. Why not but out the contract of a couple teachers who have been at WHS forever like Arrington and Ware to save money.
These two guys have done nothing but give thier best and was fully dedicated to Massillon Schools and this is the thanks they get. Also im tired of Fortner being treated like a king around here. Future reelections as well as levies should or could get rather interesting. This whole thing and treatment of these two gentlemen make me sick. No truer Tigers.
Come to think of it Becherucci and or Pape would make fine Superintendents for the district.

[Broder]

Something smells in Massillon and it isn't the Wastewater Treatment Plant this time! What in the world is going on with our school system! Does this BOE have any idea what they are doing? Seems like every month, something happens to give us a black eye. Hopefully, this time they will accept applications and interview interested and qualified candidates!! :doh: :stars:

[hexumjunkie]

It's A Shame Anyone Loses There Job. To Support Your Family In Times Like These are Tough Enough. Im Sure Both Were Great Workers. I Know Doug Is Supporting Two Girls Through A Higher Education. To Give Someone The Axe All Of A Sudden When They Are A Good Worker Because Of Someone Elses Miss Management Of Funds Is Crazy.

[Red50Go]

Now I am fired up, and haven't even had my first cup yet. I can understand cutting back but we got rid of 2 guys who get their hands dirty for an Assistant Superintendent of Business Operations??? Whatever the F that is. 2 true Massillonians, true Tigers, for a Fairless guy and AH chronie who has applied to leave before? Maybe thats why Chris resigned. Regardless, this BOE needs to get their act together.

"To be super at any school it takes a special individual. To be super in the MCSD, it takes one extraordinary individual, simply becasue Massillon is a fundamentally-based community." To know Massillon is to love Massillon." Well, we took a few steps back then didn't we? Thank you Evan Hannon. You get it.

[Tiger54]

Something smells in Massillon and it isn't the Wastewater Treatment Plant this time! What in the world is going on with our school system! Does this BOE have any idea what they are doing? Seems like every month, something happens to give us a black eye. Hopefully, this time they will accept applications and interview interested and qualified candidates!! :doh: :stars:

I think the Massillon people deserve an explanation for the mess that is going on with this Board of Education. First, we get a Superintendent WITH NO SEARCH and now we suddenly do not have a Superintendent again. This is extremely embarrassing to the city and citizens of Massillon. And the President makes the comment that he is not shocked??! Well, explain that remark. What causes this guy to go waltzing back and forth from Massillon to Jackson and reverse? Personally, I thought all along that we deserved someone better than a Superintendent with NO PREVIOUS SUPERINTENDENT EXPERIENCE and merely experience as a MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL. Can't we do better than that? The Massillon schools have a lot of academic problems that cannot be "fixed" by someone with no previous experience and also, obviously, not the appropriate amount of desire OR LOYALTY. And the remark being made about Pape or Beccherucci being the next Superintendent? Everyone knows how they got their jobs. I worked with the Schools a number of years ago and those are two new, additional, well-paid positions that we do not need----did EITHER of those guys have predecessors in their positions. Construction manager?? We have had new facilities constructed before with no highly paid manager to oversee the projects and they seemed to turn out all right. Let's stop the nepotism here and now---and let's get a top-notch Superintendent for our schools who will improve our achievement scores.

[Red50Go]

Think about the common sense here. You hire a Shepas guy to run the school, then turn around and promote a guy who made their lives miserable. At the same time get rid of 2 others who were always loyal, and could provide a comfort level to both the new super and new coach. Brilliant!

[sly4458]

the board of education cut dave papes job to save money, but they KEEP FORTNER who does not know a damn thing about buildings and grounds. we will not save money by doing this because he will have to go out and hire someone to do the things that dave pape can do without hiring a third party!!
how can fortner do all of this and do a good job managing our DOLLAR'S talk about wasting money.
how in the hell did a fairless guy get so damn much power. he doesn't live in our town nor doe's he send his children to our schools. but yet he makes six figures, plus the extra's and we let people go who love massillon, live in massillon and would do anything to make our schools better. this board that we have is not the answer for our children. one super leaves early and the new one said no before he started. not very smart decision making by our board. DAVE PAPE did a hell of a job for our schools and our kids. and again our board gave us the TAX PAYERS THE SHAFT!!!

OH BUT THE WHITE HELMETS ARE BACK!!!!!!

[Broder]

I think the Massillon people deserve an explanation for the mess that is going on with this Board of Education. First, we get a Superintendent WITH NO SEARCH and now we suddenly do not have a Superintendent again. This is extremely embarrassing to the city and citizens of Massillon. And the President makes the comment that he is not shocked??! Well, explain that remark. What causes this guy to go waltzing back and forth from Massillon to Jackson and reverse? Personally, I thought all along that we deserved someone better than a Superintendent with NO PREVIOUS SUPERINTENDENT EXPERIENCE and merely experience as a MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL. Can't we do better than that? The Massillon schools have a lot of academic problems that cannot be "fixed" by someone with no previous experience and also, obviously, not the appropriate amount of desire OR LOYALTY. And the remark being made about Pape or Beccherucci being the next Superintendent? Everyone knows how they got their jobs. I worked with the Schools a number of years ago and those are two new, additional, well-paid positions that we do not need----did EITHER of those guys have predecessors in their positions. Construction manager?? We have had new facilities constructed before with no highly paid manager to oversee the projects and they seemed to turn out all right. Let's stop the nepotism here and now---and let's get a top-notch Superintendent for our schools who will improve our achievement scores.

BINGO! Excellent post with excellent points!! Why is it we can't keep Massillonians in positions and don't hire Massillonians for positions? This is a question no one seems to want to answer. I know there are qualified Alum out there, but they seem to get overlooked...why?

[Red50Go]

DAVE PAPE did a hell of a job for our schools and our kids. and again our board gave us the TAX PAYERS THE SHAFT!!!

OH BUT THE WHITE HELMETS ARE BACK!!!!!!

You mean like when we give a big raise to the previous AD and let the outgoing Super draw 2 salaries, so they can both retire a year later w/ fatter pensions? Hey, I hope someone takes care of me like that in 20 years. :smile:

[Smitty]

Too many stinkin' geniuses in the upper levels of management / administration believe it an easy & quick fix to budget problems to "cut" the payroll. (This is not just a school system mentality; it's prevalent in health care and many other businesses.)

Granted; cutting one "job" that pays, say $50K per year will save @ $80K in pay, taxes, benefits, etc. But cutting jobs does have a negative effect on the morale of the remaining employees; and further economic depression on the entire community.

The bosses believe everyone is replaceable; they fail to see highly skilled employees as an asset to their business.

[Mass6]

Kills me how they just look at numbers. I bet the treasurer/CFO isn't taking a pay cut. She's not a Massillon Alum, and if she was doing such a great job, why are we still in trouble and having to cut jobs??? Dave Pape is a great guy who does even better work. This one will end up costing us more then we save!!

[The Voice]

I wouldn't pick on the Treasurer..she's busted her butt to keep the district basically solvent and I'm pretty sure she is no where near being involved with the backroom politics that is going on now.

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[Mass6]

I wouldn't pick on the Treasurer..she's busted her butt to keep the district basically solvent and I'm pretty sure she is no where near being involved with the backroom politics that is going on now.

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Don't be so sure.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=The Voice;103343]I wouldn't pick on the Treasurer..she's busted her butt to keep the district basically solvent and I'm pretty sure she is no where near being involved with the backroom politics that is going on now.



You're right...She's too busy trying to nickel & dime (parking fee) the fans :crap:

[section3]

becharucci and pape's positions were eliminated with the restructuring last summer. everyone knew that the end of this school year were their last. i tried to go to the school's web site to find the report and get the exact date but couldn't find it. last nights vote was just a formality. there are other positions being eliminated or cut back also.

[Banks]

becharucci and pape's positions were eliminated with the restructuring last summer. everyone knew that the end of this school year were their last. i tried to go to the school's web site to find the report and get the exact date but couldn't find it. last nights vote was just a formality. there are other positions being eliminated or cut back also.


that is correct it was announced the first board meeting of April 2007
Effective June 1st 2008

[sly4458]

let's see when she started there were two people in her office, now she has six. hmm now that's saving money she also get's extra $$ for her car and milage and other things. and so do other's in admin. so if cash is so tight why not cut out this stuff first. a man who is no longer here told me when they built the high school that he would hire a man who knew buildings and grounds and have him look out for all our dollars spent on buldings and grounds so that we got the best for our dollars. he was a very smart man he was the man who formed the paul david foundation. i think he knew how to run a business!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shortbev]

disclaimer here...this doesn't fit all teachers...and situations...there are many great teachers beating their heads against the proverbial brick wall

sadly, this is an example of what goes on in the field of education in many places...it is all about politics...and butt kissing...

from personal experience, i have watched truly qualified people passed over for a teaching position simply because another person knew someone...there was a girl i went to school with, she would party throughout the year, flunk classes, go up to bowling green, take a summer class, transfer it back in, wiping out the F, and she got hired right out of college, simply because daddy used to be on the local school board...meanwhile, another person i know, tutored many of us in math...she would drill us until we knew the material forward and back...if there was the slightest ? in your eye, she would throw another problem at you...thanks to her, i went from getting 70s to a 95%...all she could get after graduating was sub jobs...and over here...they don't do a good job of hiring subs full time...they want the good sub...so, after a year or two of that torture (you all remember what we used to do to the poor subs)...she gave up trying to fight that battle and went to work for the university...and talk about getting rid of dead wood (teachers who are just putting in time until retirement...not really teaching)...that is almost 99.9999% impossible to do...even people who have been fired for the most terrible things seem to get hired elsewhere...there are too many within the profession who went into it simply because of june, july and august...and the retirement packages at age 50-55...then, they move up to the university level and teach the next batch of teachers...self-perpetuating the situation...


sadly, it is not all about the kids...and what they need

[TigerLily]

It could be that Mr. DiLoreto not taking this position is for the best. Seems he couldn’t really commit to being a part of Massillon. Coached…went elswhere…..wanted to be principal….not….wanted to be superintendent…not.

Maybe Marshall Weinburg could hop back on here and help sort all of this out. There are certainly a lot of questions that the Massillon community needs answered.

[Banks]

It could be that Mr. DiLoreto not taking this position is for the best. Seems he couldn’t really commit to being a part of Massillon. Coached…went elswhere…..wanted to be principal….not….wanted to be superintendent…not.

Maybe Marshall Weinburg could hop back on here and help sort all of this out. There are certainly a lot of questions that the Massillon community needs answered.

Coach Dilo didn't go anywhere after he coached here, he stay as a teacher in the MCS system.

Waiting for Weinburg to hop back on is a joke , he HOP on just long enough to get some here falling all over him and he hasn't been back , I should say I haven't seen him around and would be surprised if he had a total of 10 posts.

[MassillonMom]

"I Know Doug Is Supporting Two Girls Through A Higher Education. "


Well, I DO know his oldest daughter is out of college and is teaching.....for the Massillon City School District!!!!

Gee, I wonder how THAT happened?



And his youngest daughter-haven't heard if she's still in college or not.

[Mass6]

let's see when she started there were two people in her office, now she has six. hmm now that's saving money she also get's extra $$ for her car and milage and other things. and so do other's in admin. so if cash is so tight why not cut out this stuff first. a man who is no longer here told me when they built the high school that he would hire a man who knew buildings and grounds and have him look out for all our dollars spent on buldings and grounds so that we got the best for our dollars. he was a very smart man he was the man who formed the paul david foundation. i think he knew how to run a business!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Sly for pointing out what I was talking about. She won't cut back on her own "lavishes" but will cut others in area's she thinks will help out. She's crooked as far as I'm concerned and know plenty else that doesn't need mentioned here.

[CATS44]

Until we know exactly what happened, pointing fingers doesnt do a damned bit of good...and may not even be pointed in the right direction.

As for Fortner, Pape, and Beccherucci...I shall keep my thoughts to myself.

[Broder]

Until we know exactly what happened, pointing fingers doesnt do a damned bit of good...and may not even be pointed in the right direction.

As for Fortner, Pape, and Beccherucci...I shall keep my thoughts to myself.

Well said!! Problem is...we may never know exactly what happened.

[Red50Go]

Alright, no more beating my head in.

Now get us Elder and I'll get over it in 2 seconds.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Until we know exactly what happened, pointing fingers doesnt do a damned bit of good...and may not even be pointed in the right direction.

Well said!! Problem is...we may never know exactly what happened.

Yikes!
This is exactly the same lay-down sheep attitude that is so darn frustrating.

Okey Dokey---let me try to make this clearer.
My finger is pointed at:
Blosser
DiLoreto
Every last member of the BOE
And any other person that knows the truth and won't speak it.


It is no longer in the best interest of our schools to keep this kind of information from the public.


Tell the public the truth, then maybe we can work on what's wrong!

:kungfu:

[tigersrbest]

DTM - I agree with you completely. The public NEEDS to know what's going on. It's beginning to look like the job is a hot potato that no one wants to hold on to for very long.

Someone please tell us what's happening!

[Seeker]

Wow.

We suspected there was something amiss when Blosser quit a year early.

Then we had a new super, with next to no qualifications or experience dumped on us, with no search I might add.

Now he is leaving before starting, for the second time (HUH?)

Plus the whole wierdness about Stacy.

OK, does anybody but me think its time for some honestly from people?

"No further comment" doesn't cut it.

Something in this whole thing stinks to high heaven, and the public outcry should be deafening!

If Blosser, or maybe Weinberg, would choose to give our kids some real help here by telling us candidly what the problem is, the kids will ultimately benefit more than by this whole closed door, no comment BS that they all keep hiding behind.

Pretty please with sugar on it?

:vconst:

[massillon catholic]

If Blosser, or maybe Weinberg, would choose to give our kids some real help here by telling us candidly what the problem is, the kids will ultimately benefit more than by this whole closed door, no comment BS that they all keep hiding behind.

Pretty please with sugar on it?

:vconst:

Dont count on that happening anytime soon. This board and more, the previous board has/was never been held accountable for their incompetence.

[Kenny M.]

Wow! The fur's really flying with Jeff David over this firing. There's an article in the Indepdent (I'm having trouble posting it) saying he wants to get to the bottom of it with the board. I hope the David Foundation doesn't pull funding for DREAM. What a mess!

[Banks]

Wow! The fur's really flying with Jeff David over this firing. There's an article in the Indepdent (I'm having trouble posting it) saying he wants to get to the bottom of it with the board. I hope the David Foundation doesn't pull funding for DREAM. What a mess!



Jeff David has heard the rumors, the Internet chat and the street talk.
One popular conspiracy theory is that he is the reason Massillon City Schools hired Chris DiLoreto to succeed Fred Blosser as superintendent of schools and that DiLoreto was selected to marshal the targeted search for a new Tigers football coach toward Jason Hall.
“Nothing could be farther from the truth,” David said Tuesday afternoon, less than a day after DiLoreto resigned as Massillon Schools’ superintendent-in-waiting.
“I know Chris personally but in no way, shape or form was I related to the process that led to his hiring.”
But David is concerned about DiLoreto’s resignation. More specifically, he wants to know what led to his friend’s decision to step away from the job he accepted just last December.
“As a stakeholder in furthering the future of the Massillon City Schools, we’re trying to sort this out,” David said. “I’d be lying if I told you we aren’t concerned.”
David is the man in charge of the Paul and Carol David Foundation, the principal provider of funds for the DREAM project. He worked to bring in Walsh University and the Aultman Health Foundation, among others, as partners in the city schools’ ambitious post-secondary education and athletics initiative.
“We owe it to them to find out exactly what is going on,” David said.
While DiLoreto’s resignation does not put the David Foundation’s funding of DREAM immediately at risk, David admits he feels an obligation to follow the situation and monitor developments closely.
Like most everyone in Massillon, David is somewhat in the dark as to what precipitated DiLoreto’s decision to step away from the superintendent’s post.
“I believe he had concerns about his ability to lead successfully here,” David said. “What those reasons are are yet to be determined. I have some strong opinions as to what those may be but I am not at liberty to share those.
“I am not privy to what is discussed in executive sessions of the (Massillon) Board of Education.”
David plans to pursue the matter, saying he refuses to base his conclusions on hearsay or speculation.
But he has suspicions that there are personnel issues swirling around the Board of Education that do not serve the best interests of the students of the Massillon City Schools.
“Is every member of the Board of Education acting or serving in the role defined by having a seat on that Board of Education?” David said. “If they find that someone is not, I’d expect this Board of Education to do the right thing. Wouldn’t you?”
For David, the bottom line as it relates to DiLoreto’s unexpected resignation goes to his leadership role within the David Foundation, not his position as a private citizen.
“If we find someone or something is not in the best interests of the children in Massillon,” he said, “that would cause us as a foundation to become concerned over the district’s leadership or its capabilities to be good stewards of the DREAM project.”

[reofan82]

This is typical of the politics of the school system. The new Supt. is hired without a search, because he was the man "the board wanted". He was also the man "the board wanted" for middle school principal a few years back. When he resigned back then, it was popular to blame AH, but if he really wanted to stay, he could have asked the board to move quickly and told them Jackson was calling. A few years later, he does it again. No AH this time. What was so great about this guy in the first place that he was afforded a pass on quitting on us earlier and being hired for a $103,000 dollar job, without looking at other candidates? The politics of the district have always been present in hiring choices, sometimes to a large degree. Good, loyal competent people are passed up routinely for flashy, often connected candidates that lack substance and have not shown loyalty to Massillon. A man simply does not write a two sentence resignation for a job he was recruited for and then treated like a prince, especially without apparent warning. It looks like the Massillon power players have been at it again. Will we find out the truth this time?

[tigersrbest]

From the article in the Inde and the quotes from Jeff David, I assume that he thinks that one or more school board members are making it difficult for the superintendent to do his job. The board is supposed to set policy, the superintendent's job is to implement that policy. The board is not supposed to micro-manage the district or the superintendent.

Is the school board or some member of the board the problem here? I have no idea. I do know that I was elated when Fred Blosser became the superintendent and very sad when he resigned. He is a quality individual, a strong leader and well-respected through-out Ohio.

Now another hand-picked candidate has thrown in the towel.

What's happening here? I wish I knew!

[Ron Halter]

"The powers that be", "heavy hitters". Call them what you want. The truth is that here in Massillon we don't have many.

I would call Fred Blosser one and also Jeff David. After that the city is pretty much devoid of leaders.

That is just my opinion for what it's worth.

[Kenny M.]

Sorry, I misspoke when I used the word, "firing," in my earlier post; I meant "resigning."

Like all of you, I have no idea what the real truth is behind all of this. I'm hoping some day we all will be enlightened.

How can public officials, such as these board members, not be required to divulge what really happened? They work for the people of Massillon not the other way around.

[Kamd50]

They are not likely to divulge what happened if some of them happen to be at fault. The people of Massillon would be very wise if they would just quit voting in the same board members and perhaps make an effort to find and convince someone that actually has Massillon's schools and programs best interest at heart to run for and boot these jokers out once and for all.

[Red50Go]

"The powers that be", "heavy hitters". Call them what you want. The truth is that here in Massillon we don't have many.

I would call Fred Blosser one and also Jeff David. After that the city is pretty much devoid of leaders.

That is just my opinion for what it's worth.

I think thats the same point, w/ different semantics. If Joe Blow can be a thorn in a leader's butt then thats who we are talking about. There are few leaders left, and as many who desire the headache, but Lord knows there are PLENTY of egotistical power hungry know-it-all wannabees who muck everything up.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

From an article today in the Inde about the school board's reaction:

“Mr. DiLoreto told us (Monday) night that this was his decision. He decided to resign his post and wished us the best,” Board Vice President Gary Miller said. “As a board, we are 100 percent focused on a new superintendent and determining the (search) process.”

This kind of reaction, Mr. Miller, is the real problem.

Perhaps we now have a clue as to who one of the problem board members is.

It's interesting that, as Board Vice President, you are ignoring the real problem and directing 100% of your focus on finding a replacement.

How about focusing 50% of your attention on getting to the bottom of this mess and reporting what you find to the tax-paying public?
Believe it or not, many of us have kids in the system and we actually give a damn what you people are doing behind closed doors and in your secret meetings.

This may be a stupid question, but since you have Blosser quitting on you a year early, and your great replacement candidate quitting before he even starts, why wouldn't you be focusing on exposing and removing the problem(s) that are causing these men to leave?

Why bother to focus on a good replacement when he or she may soon quit also?

I would guess that you've heard the definition of insanity.

The only obvious answer that I can see is that you well know what the problem is, and either you are part of the problem, or you chose to keep the public in the dark about it.

This whole situation is starting to become clear to us.

The BOE is the problem.

Dear Massillon: They can be impeached, you know, and there is also a higher authority to appeal to at the state level.

Its time to start making some noise and stop putting up with this inept representation we have on the school board.


:furious:

[tigersrbest]

We have a new board member who is said to be a competent individual. Is he? What does he think is going on?

It's obvious that the powers that be in Jackson know what the problem is because they certainly opened the door quickly for Mr. DiLoreto to return.

If they can know, why can't we?

[Kamd50]

This kind of reaction, Mr. Miller, is the real problem.

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!

It's interesting that, as Board Vice President, you are ignoring the real problem and directing 100% of your focus on finding a replacement.

How about focusing 50% of your attention on getting to the bottom of this mess and reporting what you find to the tax-paying public?
Believe it or not, many of us have kids in the system and we actually give a damn what you people are doing behind closed doors and in your secret meetings.

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!
This may be a stupid question, but since you have Blosser quitting on you a year early, and your great replacement candidate quitting before he even starts, why wouldn't you be focusing on exposing and removing the problem(s) that are causing these men to leave?

Why bother to focus on a good replacement when he or she may soon quit also?

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only obvious answer that I can see is that you well know what the problem is, and either you are part of the problem, or you chose to keep the public in the dark about it.

The BOE is the problem.

TRIPLE AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Massillon: They can be impeached, you know, and there is also a higher authority to appeal to at the state level.

Its time to start making some noise and stop putting up with this inept representation we have on the school board.


:furious:

I, for one would like to know more about this higher authority to which to appeal to at the state level. And what we, as a community can do to shape the things to come concerning this BOE if no one in the schools or city gives a damn enough to do anything about it!

[massillon catholic]

Are any board members up for re-election in Nov? I think Weinberg is a good one. Hannon is a good-guy but with the exception of his last vote on pape and becherucci he usually goes with the flow. But, I'd still keep him and Weinber then I would re-call or impeach the rest. I also wouldnt object to David being the superintendent, however he lives in Jackson so that probably rules that out. He would do a great job and has always had the best interest of the school and sports programs at heart.

[jayjay65]

The board is supposed to set policy, the superintendent's job is to implement that policy. The board is not supposed to micro-manage the district or the superintendent.

She won't cut back on her own "lavishes" but will cut others in area's she thinks will help out.

And the remark being made about Pape or Beccherucci being the next Superintendent? Everyone knows how they got their jobs. I worked with the Schools a number of years ago and those are two new, additional, well-paid positions that we do not need----did EITHER of those guys have predecessors in their positions. Construction manager?? We have had new facilities constructed before with no highly paid manager to oversee the projects and they seemed to turn out all right. Let's stop the nepotism here and now---and let's get a top-notch Superintendent for our schools who will improve our achievement scores.

Probably could be outsourced but given the number of facilities, we probably need a 'go to' person for repairs and maintenance issues. Nepotism is the key word for me in the above post.

You mean like when we give a big raise to the previous AD and let the outgoing Super draw 2 salaries, so they can both retire a year later w/ fatter pensions? Hey, I hope someone takes care of me like that in 20 years.

Now ask yourself, what was given in return for this....?

becharucci and pape's positions were eliminated with the restructuring last summer. everyone knew that the end of this school year were their last. i tried to go to the school's web site to find the report and get the exact date but couldn't find it. last nights vote was just a formality. there are other positions being eliminated or cut back also.

This is true. Not to minimize the loss of a job but how many of you would like a one year notice that you would be losing your job? It hardly came out of the blue...

"I Know Doug Is Supporting Two Girls Through A Higher Education. "


Well, I DO know his oldest daughter is out of college and is teaching.....for the Massillon City School District!!!!

Gee, I wonder how THAT happened?

NONE of the above comments in quotes are mine, they are those of other posters on this forum. My two cents here is that if it looks like S#@! smells like S#@! and tastes like S#@! what else could it be? These are the same self-serving, undermining issues that have plagued the district for years. If 'everyone knew' why do we still elect some of these people?? We stomp our feet, raise our voices and shake our heads but WE are to blame as WE continue to ELECT people that do not make decisions that best serve our children....shame on us. We put people in positions of power, thrust them on the good board members and then complain when things go awry. Sorry....to a great degree...we made our own bed here.

Personally, I do not include Gary Miller in that list. I would take five Gary Millers if we had them.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Personally, I do not include Gary Miller in that list. I would take five Gary Millers if we had them.

Personally, I'm not attacking his character, just his judgement in the current situation.

Five Gary Millers would still be focused only on finding a replacement super, not why we lost the last two.

:kungfu:

[Red50Go]

Thats what I call demanding an answer.

It could simply be cold feet, ie he felt overwhelmed. Or Jackson is presenting a new offer that is too hard to refuse. If it is the BOE (the problem) I dont expect them to admit it. But I would hope Mr. Blosser and/or Mr. DiLoretto would have the moral fortitude to not keep that hidden from the community. I have to take them at their word. I realize it is very hard not to jump to conclusions w/out some straight answers. Somebody needs to step up to the plate.

[jayjay65]

Personally, I'm not attacking his character, just his judgement in the current situation.

Five Gary Millers would still be focused only on finding a replacement super, not why we lost the last two.

:kungfu:

Playing devil's advocate - Maybe Gary really cannot do too much regarding why we lost the last two...hence it serves no purpose at this point for him to focus on that. He has to play with the team that the voters put on the BOE and make the best of it. I obviously do not KNOW that to be the case but reading between the tea leaves it would seem plausible to me. This isn't a Jerry Springer show where dirty laundry is aired for the whole world to see. Many of you posters know far more than I do about the dubious decisions made in the past and who the players or beneficiaries were. No Board member in their right mind is going to take any infighting public. To expect that to happen would be naive. However, we can educate ourselves more the next time a Board seat is up for renewal...

[Kamd50]

No Board member in their right mind is going to take any infighting public. To expect that to happen would be naive.

true, but wouldn't it be extremely refreshing and inspiring to actually have someone of such caliber and bravery to do just that and actually make a stand for something in the name of what is right?!

[jayjay65]

true, but wouldn't it be extremely refreshing and inspiring to actually have someone of such caliber and bravery to do just that and actually make a stand for something in the name of what is right?!

Let's get this kind of person to run and I'd vote for him/her too!!

[The Butler]

Are any board members up for re-election in Nov?

Not according to this:

http://www.co.stark.oh.us/internet/docs/boe/offices2008.pdf

[tigersrbest]

When Blosser resigned a committee of responsible citizens should have gone to him and asked, "What is the problem and how can we help you fix it?"

I think so highly of him that for me it was a tremendous red flag when he resigned. Is it too late for him to stay?

I live in the city, but not in the school district, so I am not in the loop and I have no voice. But I am a graduate who LOVES the Massillon City Schools and want only the best for them and for them to be the best.

GO TIGERS!

[CATS44]

I do not agree that it would serve no useful purpose for a BOE member the publicly state the problem, and name names if necessary.

We insist upon voting for BOE candidates that refuse to state their positions on any controversial subject. We then allow the elected members to debate and make their decisions in private, and then come out into open meetings and put forth unanimous votes on nearly every question.

The heart of the problem lies with the person we all see in the mirror. Few of us want our democracy to be messy.

But thats what democracy is...a messy business. It is supposed to be open and contentious if necessary. Thats the ONLY way it works. And what we have now isnt working.

Of course, standing up publicly for what you sincerely believe in takes courage, because you are apt to suffer the Shakespearian 'slings and arrows of outragious fortune'...meaning that there will always be people who do not like what you have to say.

We are unhappy with what has transpired, and we all would like to know the reasons. The only way to know that is for somebody to stand up and inform the public. The only way to stop the constant conflict within the school system is for somebody involved to stand up and say, "This is wrong!" Then the public will have somebody to rally behind, in order to weed out the problems...and get the MCS back on track.

[Seeker]

I do not agree that it would serve no useful purpose for a BOE member the publicly state the problem, and name names if necessary.

We insist upon voting for BOE candidates that refuse to state their positions on any controversial subject. We then allow the elected members to debate and make their decisions in private, and then come out into open meetings and put forth unanimous votes on nearly every question.

The heart of the problem lies with the person we all see in the mirror. Few of us want our democracy to be messy.

But thats what democracy is...a messy business. It is supposed to be open and contentious if necessary. Thats the ONLY way it works. And what we have now isnt working.

Of course, standing up publicly for what you sincerely believe in takes courage, because you are apt to suffer the Shakespearian 'slings and arrows of outragious fortune'...meaning that there will always be people who do not like what you have to say.

We are unhappy with what has transpired, and we all would like to know the reasons. The only way to know that is for somebody to stand up and inform the public. The only way to stop the constant conflict within the school system is for somebody involved to stand up and say, "This is wrong!" Then the public will have somebody to rally behind, in order to weed out the problems...and get the MCS back on track.

Very, very well put!
We need to let the BOE know loud and clear that they are not going to get away with it any longer.

:thumbsup:

[proud to be]

I am very grateful for what Jeff David, and his foundation have done for the school, but what qualifies him to be the person that is going to get to the bottom of this? Why is this his problem? The David Foundation has done more for this school athletics program than any one person in history, most likely, but did I actually read where he was interviewed by the paper regarding this?

Why?

I also saw where one person actually said he should be the new Superintendent.


Why?

More importantly

What?

I'm sure even Jeff thinks that is a stupid idea. I'm sure I'll be called all kind of names for posting this, hell it'll probably just get deleted like every other "too honest" post on here lately.

I just think that if we REALLY want to get to the bottom of this, we need to go to the BOE, and demand an answer. This is just too many events to be "random"

The problem is, we may not WANT to hear the true answer.........

[Seeker]

I'm sure even Jeff thinks that is a stupid idea. I'm sure I'll be called all kind of names for posting this,
Why would you get called all kind of names?
I'm glad Jeff David is getting involved, since the rest of Massillon seems content to just allow the same old story to continue to play out.

hell it'll probably just get deleted like every other "too honest" post on here lately.
It will not be deleted.
Furthermore, give us an example of a "too honest" post that was deleted. If you can't remember, than tell me who made the post and I'll go look for all their deleted posts.
Personally, I pay attention to this stuff, and I can only recall a handfull of posts that have been deleted in the past couple of months, and then it usually was for personal attacks against other members.
Put your money where your mouth is, and give me some examples.

I just think that if we REALLY want to get to the bottom of this, we need to go to the BOE, and demand an answer. This is just too many events to be "random"
No shit Sherlock. Will you be leading the charge? As I said before, at least Jeff David got on his horse and went into battle for us.
Who among the rest of us will take up the sword?

The problem is, we may not WANT to hear the true answer.........
I think that in the past you would be correct.
But not anymore.
We will never be able to get this mess behind us until someone that's on the inside blows the whistle on the people causing the problems.

Nothing personal, I think we are on the same side.

[tigersrbest]

CATS44 and Seeker, I agree with you 110%!

A question: I know it's legal for the BoE to discuss personnel in executive session, but is it legal to decide on policy in executive session? I know that Ohio has "Sunshine Laws" that require public boards to hold their meetings in a public setting. Is the school board operating in private when they should be deciding and debating in public?

What's going on? Who knows and who will tell?

[proud to be]

Why would you get called all kind of names?
I'm glad Jeff David is getting involved, since the rest of Massillon seems content to just allow the same old story to continue to play out.


It will not be deleted.
Furthermore, give us an example of a "too honest" post that was deleted. If you can't remember, than tell me who made the post and I'll go look for all their deleted posts.
Personally, I pay attention to this stuff, and I can only recall a handfull of posts that have been deleted in the past couple of months, and then it usually was for personal attacks against other members.
Put your money where your mouth is, and give me some examples.


No shit Sherlock. Will you be leading the charge? As I said before, at least Jeff David got on his horse and went into battle for us.
Who among the rest of us will take up the sword?


I think that in the past you would be correct.
But not anymore.
We will never be able to get this mess behind us until someone that's on the inside blows the whistle on the people causing the problems.

Nothing personal, I think we are on the same side.


Nice.....

Nothing personal???

No shit Sherlock???

Put your money where your mouth is??

Sounds pretty personal for one of us......... you tell me to put my money where my mouth is ........

As I said, I knew that I would catch some SHIT, to use your word......


As far as it being true in the past, but not now.........

Why?? What's different???

As far as only perosnal attacks being deleted, I'll keep my opinions to myself.....

Sorry to get off topic.........

[CATS44]

I wonder how many people understand exactly what the DREAM project is and what it potentially means to the MCS.

While the indoor practice facility will certainly benefit athletics, as will the updating of PBTS, the biggest impact of DREAM will be on academics.

A lot of folks snickered when Mr Blosser said that the goal of MCS was to be the best school system in the state within a period of time. But DREAM makes that a real possibility...the best school sytem in the state, not measured by test scores, but by actual results in every area of academics, votech, college preparation, job prpearation, and job placement.

Not one school system in the state has the potential right now that MCS does.

But it is best to understand that the word is 'potential'. It takes a lot of things to convert potential to reality. On the other hand it doesnt take much to turn potential into fizzle.

Pardon my French, but damn straight Mr David should be very involved. Its his money, his vision...and we all should be doing whatever we can to help Mr David make sure that the people who stand in the way of turning potential into reality are eliminated from the process. The future of our children depend upon it.

Obviously, there are people standing in the way.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

One thing that has changed over the past few years is the power of the internet.

So, let's start with Mr. Marshall Weinberg.

He came to MassillonProud and, according to the public record made a total of four posts.

On November 9, after being elected, he had this to say:

I am honored and humbled by the opportunity to serve. I will continue to make an effort to stay in touch through this site on a regular basis. It is the very character of our Tiger football team that I intend to take into the classrooms. We all realize that "Excellence" isn't something anyone is going to hand out...it is earned. Keep the faith...and thanks for giving me the ball!

Marshall Weinberg

His last post was on November 16, 2007. Here it is:

Firstly, I believe I stated my position previously. Massillon holds a unique spot in the history of high school football. I have met people all across this country who are well aware of our little city's proud history. The ideal situation would be for Massillon Tiger football to remain independent...controlling our own destiny. I am quite certain that there are pros and cons to this chain of thought as is evident by the posts on this website. I am also confident that we have not uncovered all of the alternatives available to us yet. I take great pride in being able to think outside of the box. I ask for your patience as I get to study the question from the inside. Let's be open minded to the possabilities.

Secondly, concerning our coaching situation, I have not be made aware of all the circumstances surrounding the program as of yet. Making a decision at this point would be unwise.

As I have just returned from a short trip to Texas following the election ( I got to take in a great H.S. football game in Hondo, TX.) and been made aware of the recent "issues" confronting our schools...it is probably time to get busy. M

So much for his "effort to stay in touch" with us, and being "aware of the recent 'issues'". I wonder if he ever got busy?

His profile says the last time he logged in was February 22.

Well, maybe he should start hearing from us. He wanted the job and said he would make a difference.
Let's see what the East Coast man is really made of.

We can send him a PM here. His profile is MWeinberg.
I googled for his website and came up with this:
marshallweinberg.com (http://massillonproud.com/forum/marshallweinberg.com)

If you click "contact marshall", you get this email address:
marshall@marshallweinberg.com

Perhaps its time he started to hear from the trusting citizens of Massillon.

But, please be respectful.
A man in public office will not give credibility to people that throw insults and threats his way.

Let's just beg him to help our kids.
They need a real honest person with guts to step forward now more than they ever have.

:thumbsup:

[casey]

DTN,

Excellent post! You truly made your points by providing a lot of research/facts to defend your position. Until recently, I had not
formed an opinion, however, the historical/current data that you provided us will be taken into consideration. Thanks for all of your efforts.

[Seeker]

Nice.....
Nothing personal???
Exactly.
No shit Sherlock???
Perhaps I have more years on you than I thought. My interpretation of this is that is is a comment between friends meaning "I agree wholeheartedly with you, but I thought it would be obvious."
Put your money where your mouth is??
This was not meant to be personal. It is a simple request to back up your statement or statements.
Sounds pretty personal for one of us......... you tell me to put my money where my mouth is ........
Please accept my apologies if you took that as a personal attack. We have had beers together. I thought I could be a little loose with you. Henceforth I will stick to being formal.
As I said, I knew that I would catch some SHIT, to use your word......
I took issue with your comment about Jeff David getting involved not as a moderator, but as a fellow citizen with kids in the school system. Since no one else is doing anything, I'm darn glad that a powerful local man is getting involved.
As far as it being true in the past, but not now.........
Why?? What's different???
As far as only perosnal attacks being deleted, I'll keep my opinions to myself.....
OK, this is the kind of vague unfounded acusation that really pisses me off.
People come on MP and accuse the site's admin and mods of all kinds of stuff with no backup. Usually its because someone else TOLD them that that was the way it is.
Tell you what...I'll come to your home or meet you in the wifi spot of your choice.
Every deleted post for the last two years is still on MP and still on it's original thread.
I'll sign in under my profile and you can go back and read every single one of them and tell me which ones were deleted because they were an uncomfortable truth.
Sorry to get off topic.........
My apologies also.

Now can we focus back on the challenge at hand that we all share, which is getting the BOE to act like the publicly elected representative body that they are supposed to be?

[tigersrbest]

DTN - Thanks for your post and all the good information.

Below is a copy of an email, I sent to Mr. Weinberg. I feel I am handicapped because I do not live in the district. However, I am very concerned and will do whatever I can to help.

Dear Mr. Weinberg,

I am a graduate of Washington High School and a resident of Massillon, although I do not live in the school district. I found your e-mail address on Massillon Proud.

First of all, thank you for being involved in our community and giving your time and energy to the Massillon Board of Education. I was impressed with your candidacy and the openness of your communications on Massillon Proud.

I know little more than what I read in the local paper about the day-to-day operations of the Massillon Schools, but I was very encouraged when Fred Blosser was named superintendent. I knew Mr. Blosser's reputation as a strong, fair leader who is well-respected, even revered, throughout the state. I couldn't believe it when he resigned less than 18 months later.

At the time I thought perhaps Mr. Blosser was leaving because of the controversy involving a new contract for Tom Stacy. I hoped the citizens and the board would prevail upon him to stay, but that didn't happen.

Now the new superintendent designee has resigned before he even really began. What is going on? Today in the Independent, Jeff David seems to imply that the problem is with someone(s) on the Board of Education.

If the Board of Education is impossible to work with and is driving superintendents away, the people of Massillon need to know. Whatever the problem is, citizens deserve to know so they can have an opportunity to fix it.

I love Massillon and I want our town and the Massillon City Schools to be the very best they can be. The D.R.E.A.M. project is a tremendous opportunity for both academics and athletics, but we need a functioning school district with a strong, effective superintendent to lead the way.

Is there any chance Fred Blosser would stay, at least for one more year? What can I do to help?

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Please share my letter with other board members as you see fit.

Sincerely,

[Kenny M.]

That's a great post, tigersrbest! I'm glad you sent an e-mail to Mr. Weinberg. I truly hope it helps advance the ball.

As for Jeff David being involved in trying to get to the bottom of this, thank goodness he is. Because of his financial backing of the DREAM project, he's got the power and money to try to get some truth out of at least one of these board members to find out what's really going on. These board members are going to have to give him some real answers!

Maybe we all could show up at the next BOE meeting and start demanding some answers of our own!

[tigersrbest]

Thanks, Kenny M.

As I said in my letter, I feel handicapped because I do not live in the school district. I think only district residents have any standing at board meetings. I guess I could go and be part of the crowd!

[DragonTigerNemesis]

School Board Guidelines.

Here is direct quote from the Ohio School Board's Association's website with some guidelines for board members:


A good board member

We often hear that one person is a good board member, another is a bad board member, and yet we seldom hear a clear definition of what constitutes a “good” board member.
In reality, there are about as many philosophical theories about boardmanship as there are board members. However, there are some acceptable guidelines. Members must recognize that seldom do two persons react to the same problem in an identical manner, so flexibility is necessary.


As a start, the following guidelines are offered. A good board member:

Knows that he or she can legally act as a board member only when the board of education is in session. No one person, unless authorized, should speak on behalf of the board.
Avoids administrative decisions or attempts to second-guess the administration. The superintendent is the chief administrator and the board has no administrative function.
Is well acquainted with school policies.
Should vote at all times in the best interests of the children of the school district.
Is flexible and realizes there are times when changes must be made, when tradition cannot be honored and when pressure must be ignored.
Remembers that board business often requires confidentiality, especially in processes involving students, personnel, land acquisition, negotiations and security.
Is interested in obtaining facts, but remembers also that the administration has responsibility for operating the schools, rather than spending all its time making reports to an individual board member.
Is a good listener at board meetings, on the street corner, in the church, but never commits himself or herself, the board or the administration.
Knows that the reputation of the entire school district is reflected in his or her behavior and attitude.
Is able to support a decision when it is made.
The accents on two points are mine.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Good reading:

http://www.osba-ohio.org/Files/Communique10-8.pdf


Any comments?

[TigerBuckeye313]

I am not asking these questions to stir up trouble or anything of that nature.

I am just curious: how many of you who have issues with the current BOE have been to a meeting to express a concern? Also, how many of you have considered running for a position on the BOE?

[Seeker]

I am not asking these questions to stir up trouble or anything of that nature.

I am just curious: how many of you who have issues with the current BOE have been to a meeting to express a concern? Also, how many of you have considered running for a position on the BOE?

Those are fair questions.

Several of the regular posters on MP are considering running next time. The events that have transpired since last November have served as motivation.

As far as attending a BOE meeting...this is just my opinion:
People in general were OK about Blosser leaving early and gave everyone involved the benefit of the doubt.
The way DiLoreto was hired and his susequent resignation along with the BOE's no questions asked "rubber stamp" is almost so ludicrous as to be comedy.
I think there will be people at the next meeting.
I'm hearing about plans to get several hundred people to picket outside.
Expect news cameras.
You may be too young to remember this from the movie, but people seem to be "mad as hell, and not going to take it anymore"

[jayjay65]

Just in case some of you think this, let me get this out on the table, I am not Jeff David. I do however, know Jeff and his family pretty well. I can't and won't speak for Jeff, he's more than capable of doing that for himself but I will give you my vantage point from what I see and hear.

The David family did not undertake the DREAM project for any self serving, power play, ego boosting reason. They did it to attempt to provide real learning and career opportunities for the kids of Massillon. (I posted links to many articles in a prior postings that articulate all the components of the DREAM curriculum.) From reading other newspaper articles and websites, they brought in other, credible, third party partners such as Walsh, Aultman, Stark Education Partnership and the Health Foundation of Greater Massillon. Not for their own edification but because these collaborators could serve as a force multiplier for DREAM. The family has invested millions of their own money into the DREAM project and were happy to do so. Naturally, when there is turnover at the Superintendent level, there is cause for concern. 'Who's driving the bus?' becomes the question of the hour. I think that's what Jeff was alluding to in his comments in the paper.

Imagine for a minute that you are Jeff David. He tries to get involved and help...it's construed by some as a power play and ego boost. He steps back and let's whatever strife work itself out...it's construed that he's abandoned us. He funds a major project...some view it as an open checkbook with hands out wanting to get their share. He sits back and does nothing...some say that 'with all the money he has' he has an obligation to help those less fortunate. The proverbial rock and hard place if there ever was one. Too bad, sometimes for him, that he loves Massillon so much. It's not as easy for him as it would appear. It's a constant internal battle of 'should I' or 'shouldn't I' get involved.

With respect to DiLoreto, honestly, Jeff was as shocked as we all were. I believe angry and disappointed would be good adjectives to describe how he's feeling. Obviously, he wasn't the right jockey to turn this horse into a thoroughbred. I don't think all the blame rests with the Board, DiLoreto needs to carry his share...

That being said, there are many, many good people in the Massillon school system, administration and BOE that are doing their best for the children of Massillon. That fact should not be lost in these recent events.

[Red50Go]

jayjay65, I could not possibly agree w/ you more. My father and his were very good friends. That family is a cherished blessing to Massillon.

As I said before, it could be (as I suspect) something as simple, albeit disappointing, as cold feet, lack of confidence/experience, or feeling overwhelmed. We went from one extreme to the other - a twice retired adm at the end of his career to a newbie. I like both guys ALOT but ideally not the 2 career stages you throw the whole kitchen sink at, w/ all our challenges and projects looming.

I too am deeply saddened that the David Foundation has to answer to such bogus innuendo and rumors. Whatever problems may or may not exist w/in the BOE I am grateful someone in this community, whoever it is, could possibly have the wherewithall to address it. Certainly, beyond any stretch of the imagination is the David Foundation "the problem". It is almost inconceivable to me how anyone could say that w/ all they have done.

[The Butler]

Good reading:

http://www.osba-ohio.org/Files/Communique10-8.pdf


Any comments?

Interesting. Did the Board violate the open meeting laws by holding an executive session during a meeting called as an emergency? It's my understanding that you can only hold an executive session at a regular or special session of the board, not one called as an emergency.

[sis2turftiger]

As an alum of WHS and a Massillon resident, I am also concerned about what happens in the MCS and I want what is best for the CHILDREN. As far as I'm concerned, if the adults can't play nice, then the children will continue to suffer.

Concerning the cuts being made - think about this:

Foreclosures have sky-rocketed, which means families are likely moving out of the area, which means less students in the district, which means less $$ for the school district. Any business that loses revenue would have to make cuts, right?

Watch the news, MCS isn't the only school district making cuts.

And for those of you attacking the integrity of anyone involved in this mess -from Blosser, to DiLoreto, to MCS staff - shame on you!

OK, I'm stepping off my soapbox now!

[DragonTigerNemesis]

No Board member in their right mind is going to take any infighting public. To expect that to happen would be naive. However, we can educate ourselves more the next time a Board seat is up for renewal...
Then perhaps we can pray that we have a board member that is not in their right mind!
As far as waiting for the next renewal opportunity, we don't have that luxury. The nightmare is now.


And for those of you attacking the integrity of anyone involved in this mess -from Blosser, to DiLoreto, to MCS staff - shame on you!
Let me try to explain this.
SOMEONE involved in this mess has an integrity problem.
Since the one(s) with the problem won't admit it, and the others won't speak up, we as the taxpayers and parents of the students have no choice but to continue to demand answers.
Shame on you, for suggesting that we continue to just look the other way and sacrifice our children's future and our property values for the sake of allowing what I hear amounts to a twenty-year cover-up, to continue.

If DiLoreto in fact just chickened out because he realized he couldn't handle the job and decided to take a cushy job at Jackson, he should man up and admit it so that we can all move on. To not do so would show a lack of integrity.
If DiLoreto discovered that there are things happening with the school board (i.e. them seriously overstepping their bounds) and hence decided to leave rather than be held acountable for things he couldn't control, he owes it to the people in Massillon to tell the public about it. To not do so would show a lack of integrity.
If there are BOE members that are aware of improper use of the office by other BOE members, and they chose to just play along with the game, then they are showing a lack of integrity.

Get this straight, most of the people involved might well be honest, stand-up sorts that have the kids best interest in mind.

But there is definately something wrong, and until someone speaks up, we have no option but to assume it might be any one of them.

:wall:

[LLRose]

It is shocking how wrong so many of you were/are regarding A.H. and the leadership he demonstrated for the Massillon City Schools during his tenure.

Are we better off than we were 3 years ago under A.H.?

NO

Lets not hire a boy to do a man's job.

Is A.H. available for 2-3 years to clean this mess up?

[Seeker]

Are we better off than we were 3 years ago under A.H.?

NO


I'm not so sure that I'm ready to sign off on that.

As a parent with kids in the system, the improvement I've seen with two years of Blosser is tremendous compared to the last ten years of Hennon.

We need to find a fifty-year-old Blosser, and let him/her be the superintendent, while we remind the BOE of what their responsibilities are, and perhaps more importantly, what they are not.

JMO

[Marie]

It is shocking how wrong so many of you were/are regarding A.H. and the leadership he demonstrated for the Massillon City Schools during his tenure.

Are we better off than we were 3 years ago under A.H.?

NO

Lets not hire a boy to do a man's job.

Is A.H. available for 2-3 years to clean this mess up?

Is it April fools day again??

[Red50Go]

Yeah, maybe Al Paris can help out too. C'mon Rose, just delete that before CarlE sees it. Now isnt the time to be stupid w/ your petty barbs.

[The Voice]

We produce a weekly news program called COMMUNITY NEWSWATCH; (cspan format), It provides unanchored, unedited coverage of local events, (including city council)..I wonder how they would feel if we would just show up and start rolling film during there meetings ?? :blues:

tv

[CATS44]

Sorry, but AH began the slide that has led to this mess...when he became the ultimate Little League parent.

[LLRose]

Yeah, maybe Al Paris can help out too. C'mon Rose, just delete that before CarlE sees it. Now isnt the time to be stupid w/ your petty barbs.

The post wasn't directed at carlE. carlE and i get along just fine. I don't get in his way and he doesn't get in my way. carlE knows i don't take shots at him anymore.

A.H. was the scapegoat on this site for years by many people. I believe Massillon misses his leadership.

[sis2turftiger]

Let me try to explain this.
SOMEONE involved in this mess has an integrity problem.

I don't disagree with you on that. What I disagree with - posts making disparaging remarks about specific people when facts are not known. I'm allowed to disagree with that.
Since the one(s) with the problem won't admit it, and the others won't speak up, we as the taxpayers and parents of the students have no choice but to continue to demand answers.

:iagree:

Shame on you, for suggesting that we continue to just look the other way and sacrifice our children's future and our property values for the sake of allowing what I hear amounts to a twenty-year cover-up, to continue.

:doh: Ummm, I'm wondering where you read that? I am in NO WAY suggesting that we (myself included), as taxpayers and/or parents, look the other way or sacrifice our children's future or our property values for any reason whatsoever. To even suggest that is ridiculous. I live here too, remember? I have a vested interest in seeing Massillon and the school district succeed, just like you do.


But there is definately something wrong, and until someone speaks up, we have no option but to assume it might be any one of them.



Ah, how I enjoy a good debate!

[TigerLily]

We produce a weekly news program called COMMUNITY NEWSWATCH; (cspan format), It provides unanchored, unedited coverage of local events, (including city council)..I wonder how they would feel if we would just show up and start rolling film during there meetings ?? :blues:

tv


http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0158.gifGo ahead -- get on down there....

[Red50Go]

The post wasn't directed at carlE. carlE and i get along just fine.

Of course not, that was a joke. Point is AH aint coming back, neither is Stacy, or Shepas (April fools ha ha). Lets get on w/ our lives and deal w/ the issue at hand.

[MTigers006]

A.H. is probabily on some boat somewhere in the waters of beautiful sunny Florida somewhere. I haven't seen or even heard of him since he retired. I dont think he cares the slightest bit about MCS anymore. Although I could be wrong.

About whats going on: I agree with everything everyone has to say about this. I do however do think the date and time of the next meeting should be posted on MP.com so as many people as possible can show up and start asking questions. The more people that show up the louder the outcry, the more they cant ignore us and blow us off and have to address the issue. I will say this. Something does and has smelled worse than the smell out by Wal-Mart in MCS for i'll say the past 30yrs and its now well past high time someone does something about it. One thing im glad about is the truth is finally starting to come out and people are finally starting to see it. I said it once and I even wrote to the paper that there is a cancer in not only the football program BUT the school system as a whole. A cancer that will kill us if we dont do something about it. I applaud Mr. David for wanting to take a stand and be the first in the community to do so. Its just too bad more people dont follow his example in the community more often. It seems like people just dont really care about what happens here anymore and just lets the powers that be do thier thing and worry only about thier lives and not the futures of our children and most importantly the future of Massillon and Massillon City Schools. Most people fail to realize these kids we are teaching today and should show how to be leaders, are the leaders of tomorrow. There are somethings comming in the future of Massillon and our school system as well as athletic programs. Things that we can not avoid with all the forclosures ad people moving out of town and not moving in is the looming of the possible step down to DII. This is something we may not be able to change ,but the bullcrap that is going on now and has been going on for a long time can and must be stopped altogether. These powers that be must be reminded we are voters who hold great power and they are elected officals who CAN be replaced. Just my two cents and I thank the administration of MP.com for allowing us the posters to post our feelings and opinions here.

[DAWGH8R]

It is shocking how wrong so many of you were/are regarding A.H. and the leadership he demonstrated for the Massillon City Schools during his tenure.


That double dipper single handedly undermined Coach Shepas' football tenure. He cost the district more $$$$ just in salaries
than anyone should have allowed.

Thank goodness that era is over.

Now , if we could get rid of Fortner, we'd be WAY better off !!:rockin:

[Seeker]

Mr. Weinberg has started a thread in TTT:

http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?p=103773#post103773

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Now , if we could get rid of Fortner, we'd be WAY better off !!:rockin:


It's nice that MassillonProud is loose enough to allow you to come here and make a remark like that.
But both your credibility and the credibility of your remarks would be strengthened if you would give some examples or explanation to back up your statements.
Why would we be better off if Fortner was gone?

:help:

[DAWGH8R]

It's nice that MassillonProud is loose enough to allow you to come here and make a remark like that.
But both your credibility and the credibility of your remarks would be strengthened if you would give some examples or explanation to back up your statements.
Why would we be better off if Fortner was gone?

:help:


For the simple fact that Massillon school district is good enough to line his pockets, yet not worthy enough to educate HIS kids , is enough for me.

He was detrimental in backing AH in his tactics, during the Shepas days.

Isn't/wasn't/never will be a MASSILLON GUY. I'd be willing to bet , that more people agree with my opinion of Fortner, than disagree.