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austinsm11

03-25-2008, 08:04 PM

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=790016

Michigan junior offensive lineman Justin Boren will not be a Wolverine any longer, head coach Rich Rodriguez announced today

That has to hurt.

Warren1st, how is/was the o-line looking before and after this announcement?

warren1st

03-25-2008, 10:37 PM

Very thin. This is a shock. His dad wad UM captain in 1983. There are all kinds of rumors out there that I don't care to speculate on. One has even more OLs leaving.

Michigan has not had a losing season since 1967..............that could change in 2008. It's going to be a rocky road at best. However, in the end, it will be Rich Rodriguez' team and he will fly or sink with it.

austinsm11

03-25-2008, 10:46 PM

warren1st

03-25-2008, 10:48 PM

Possibly OSU or Cinci or a good MAC school.

Tiger2001

03-25-2008, 11:05 PM

However, in the end, it will be Rich Rodriguez' team and he will fly or sink with it.

...Or run away like a small child, again.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

03-26-2008, 09:18 AM

proud to be

03-26-2008, 09:34 AM

warren1st

03-26-2008, 09:57 AM

I knew this thread would turn into another RR bashing. Fine, but I'll tell you one thing: When RR gets the team he wants in another year, the B10 better look out 'cause he's gonna set them on their collective ears. Take it to the bank!!

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

03-26-2008, 09:58 AM

austinsm11

03-26-2008, 10:22 AM

Any word yet as to why he decided to transfer?

Smitty

03-26-2008, 11:31 AM

No bashing from here.

The Big 10, overall, is getting stronger. With coaches like Rodriguez (Michigan), Tressel (OSU), and Zook (Illinois)... well, Paterno needs to retire.

warren1st

03-26-2008, 01:04 PM

Any word yet as to why he decided to transfer?

No, but the new S&C coach Mike Barwis works their tail off and they run to the line of scrimmage after each play. He was complaining about that the 1st day of practice.

I really believe UM was not in really good conditioning and strength for some time. Remember, UM was up by 2 scores against OSU in 2005 and 2006 with approximately a half a quarter to go each game and the Buckeyes simply took the ball twice and easily scored twice to win both games.

austinsm11

03-26-2008, 01:08 PM

No, but the new S&C coach Mike Barwis works their tail off and they run to the line of scrimmage after each play. He was complaining about that the 1st day of practice.

I read that as well. Perhaps he didn't feel that he had the body type (smaller and quicker) that RR was looking for.

Some people are saying that he may not transfer, but that he just decided to quit. That maybe his heart wasn't in it anymore.

SuperBran

03-26-2008, 01:30 PM

I really believe UM was not in really good conditioning and strength for some time. Remember, UM was up by 2 scores against OSU in 2005 and 2006 with approximately a half a quarter to go each game and the Buckeyes simply took the ball twice and easily scored twice to win both games.

in the 2006 game the only time michigan led ohio state was when they were the first to score.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

03-26-2008, 01:55 PM

SuperBran

That 2006 game...Michigan set the tone for the game when they got up 7-0. They knew how to beat Ohio State. But the powerful Wolverines were derailed by a glamorous Bucks team 42-32 the rest of the way...largely because the defense could NOT get off the field on third down...and that bugs me!

It's been a freaking maddening problem since 2004 and I'm really really tired and angry about it :evil:!

warren1st,

You do a good job of bringing up those two games. Put it on the defense. If they can start getting off the field, then things will be in order. I don't take losing to glamour teams too well...it's not good for my mentality regarding my football beliefs: pounding the ball down the throats of other teams, wearing them down late, and putting them away in the last quarter with a parsimonious defense!

We haven't been able to do that against Tressel's glamour guys...if this is the year to do it, that year is now.

austinsm11

03-26-2008, 03:53 PM

...if this is the year to do it, that year is now.

For some reason I find that last sentence to be awkward and funny.

warren1st

03-26-2008, 06:11 PM

in the 2006 game the only time michigan led ohio state was when they were the first to score.

Oh well..............it was a senior moment.............

MUC - Thanks!!

austinsm11

03-26-2008, 06:32 PM

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080326/SPORTS0201/803260444/1004/SPORTS

"Michigan football was a family, built on mutual respect and support for each other from (former) Coach (Lloyd) Carr on down. We knew it took the entire family, a team effort, and we all worked together. I have great trouble accepting that those family values have eroded in just a few months

LLRose

03-26-2008, 10:09 PM

Michigan will take what they are given and go with it. The Wolverines have never been a team to weep in their sorrows. They always get back up and at it!

They will be fine. When Rodriguez's pride is on the line, he knows who to turn to. And that will be the difference.

The Michigan program you have grown to know and love is gone. Martin cut the ties to what Bo built. RR is a power hungry, thin skinned whiner that will implode the program with his ego.

I wouldn't be surprised if RR stripped the helmets and put one white stripe down the middle, blue block M on the side and changed the helmet from blue to yellow.

The Michigan tradition is what RR's self absorbed, Napoleonic ego will not be able to handle. RR was the worst guy Michigan could have hired.

All the problems Steve Spurrier has are the same RR presents. His lack of emotional intelligence will destroy him during his short stay in Ann Arbor.

RR is the antithesis of Jim Tressel.

PS, Michigan fans taking shots at Buckeye fans is like a B-W fan calling out a Mount fan. The programs are not on the same level

warren1st

03-26-2008, 10:55 PM

The Michigan program you have grown to know and love is gone. Martin cut the ties to what Bo built. RR is a power hungry, thin skinned whiner that will implode the program with his ego.

I wouldn't be surprised if RR stripped the helmets and put one white stripe down the middle, blue block M on the side and changed the helmet from blue to yellow.

The Michigan tradition is what RR's self absorbed, Napoleonic ego will not be able to handle. RR was the worst guy Michigan could have hired.

All the problems Steve Spurrier has are the same RR presents. His lack of emotional intelligence will destroy him during his short stay in Ann Arbor.

RR is the antithesis of Jim Tressel.

PS, Michigan fans taking shots at Buckeye fans is like a B-W fan calling out a Mount fan. The programs are not on the same level

Wow! I'm glad you know so much about him!! Uh, I don't believe he had all the problems you're alluding to at WVU. Why all the vitriol?

Btw, Bo thought about actually changing the winged-helmets (for about an hour) in the early '70s and was told very politely to NEVER even go there.

No, he won't ever be as gentlemanly as Tressel. But then neither was Woody Hayes nor Bo Schembechler, nor Earle Bruce. I'm sorry but I think you're way off base on this one. RR will prove to be VERY, VERY successful at Michigan; possibly like a fellow West Virginia native, Fielding H. Yost.

warren1st

03-26-2008, 11:00 PM

PS, Michigan fans taking shots at Buckeye fans is like a B-W fan calling out a Mount fan. The programs are not on the same level

Puhleeze!! You really don't believe that do you? I really don't want to upset the Buckeye faithful with the list of Michigan's accomplishment but you may push me to do so.

Tigerfan1979

03-26-2008, 11:17 PM

proud to be,

Rodriguez turns to the BEST fans in the Big Ten and a strong supporting cast to pull him out of the depths of high water!

See you on 11/22/2008! And the Wolverines won't forget to bring the wood!Why would RR turn to the Buckeye fans?You just said that he would turn to the BEST fans in the Big Ten!!!:grinning:

austinsm11

03-27-2008, 08:39 AM

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/football/stories/2008/03/27/osufb_notes27.ART_ART_03-27-08_C1_EI9OQ98.html?print=yes&sid=101

Boren's father, Mike, a former Michigan captain and linebacker, supported his son's decision.

"Ohio State would be a good fit for Justin, and that's why he's not at Michigan anymore, because Michigan is not the right fit for him," said Mike Boren, who played under Bo Schembechler in the early 1980s.

"I have not talked to Ohio State and I'm not sure about their situation. … But would he go to Ohio State? Yes. The only two schools he seriously considered three years ago were Ohio State and Michigan, and he almost went to Ohio State even then."

warren1st

03-27-2008, 09:21 AM

Gosh, don't ya just love loyalty??

TigerCoach

03-27-2008, 09:45 AM

No Michigan bashing here either, they will be strong again once RR gets his style of players in there. This Boren kid just sounds like he's a lazy player, IMO. How hard is it to run to the line of scrimmage after every play? C'mon kid, get in shape!

austinsm11

03-27-2008, 11:14 AM

warren1st

03-27-2008, 11:55 AM

I don't think it was that Boren couldn't handle it. I think it was more of how is this style of offense going to prepare him for the NFL. How many lineman has RR/WVU put into the NFL compared to Michigan/OSU?

And if you are going to talk about loyalty, don't forget all the lovely michigan fans who 1-2 weeks ago were talking about Boren being the best returning player on offense and are now calling him soft and a p####. You don't get starts as a true freshman at Michigan and have the potential to be an All-American by being soft.

I will agree that if the situation was reversed, I would be upset as well (especially if he went to Michigan). But there is no need to question his playing ability. The boy can play. Anytime a new coaching staff takes over, some players have trouble adapting to the new staff and leave.

Keep in mind that Adam Krauss and the other past senior starting OL whose name escapes me (another senior moment) for the last 2 years are NOT projected to be drafted in the NFL. Other than Jake Long, the starting OL this past couple of years was woefully weak.

Speaking of "lovely", aren't we just a great bunch of fans?! Look how fast you guys turned on Mo C after, without him you would not have won the NC!! That's just human nature. I am not bashing Boren because I don't know the true story but as Tiger Coach said, complaining about running back to the LOS is a little lame.

austinsm11

03-27-2008, 12:03 PM

Keep in mind that Adam Krauss and the other past senior starting OL whose name escapes me (another senior moment) for the last 2 years are NOT projected to be drafted in the NFL. Other than Jake Long, the starting OL this past couple of years was woefully weak.

Speaking of "lovely", aren't we just a great bunch of fans?! Look how fast you guys turned on Mo C after, without him you would not have won the NC!! That's just human nature. I am not bashing Boren because I don't know the true story but as Tiger Coach said, complaining about running back to the LOS is a little lame.

Mo C broke the law...what has Boren done? OSU NEVER questioned Mo C as a player either like some Michigan fans are doing.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. I get the feeling Boren didn't care for RR or his position coach. Perhaps he felt like things should be handed to him because he was the best returning lineman and they weren't.

He was asked about the new practices. Do you think he would come out and say , "they were way too easy." Of course they are difficult, it is something he wasn't used to doing.

SuperBran

03-27-2008, 12:04 PM

Speaking of "lovely", aren't we just a great bunch of fans?! Look how fast you guys turned on Mo C after, without him you would not have won the NC!!

so osu fans should have supported clarrett regardless of what stupid things he did simply b/c he helped the team win a NC?

there's a difference between how boren was treated and how clarrett was treated. most people turned on clarrett after the NC game b/c that's when things really went downhill. they appreciated his efforts and what he did for the team, but didn't let him forget his major screw ups. osu fans didn't turn on him simply b/c he wanted to leave....they turned on him b/c he's a fool and deserved the criticism.

as mentioned earlier, michigan fans were saying how boren was going to be a great asset to the team. now that he leaves they say he's soft and lazy, even though he says it's b/c RR's system doesn't fit him.

Kamd50

03-27-2008, 01:53 PM

As far as the subject of loyalty is concerned, I believe that the father is placing his loyalty where it belongs first, to his son, imho.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

03-27-2008, 02:12 PM

Kamd50,

No matter how you string it...it's still a setback for Rodriguez in how he wants to implement his system. But Boren has a life to live and I wish him all the best wherever he goes...I don't have time to have bad blood toward him and come down with a case of "Angry Jayne."

Go Blue! Michigan fans are still the best in the Big Ten with class second to none!

warren1st

03-27-2008, 02:20 PM

so osu fans should have supported clarrett regardless of what stupid things he did simply b/c he helped the team win a NC?

there's a difference between how boren was treated and how clarrett was treated. most people turned on clarrett after the NC game b/c that's when things really went downhill. they appreciated his efforts and what he did for the team, but didn't let him forget his major screw ups. osu fans didn't turn on him simply b/c he wanted to leave....they turned on him b/c he's a fool and deserved the criticism.

as mentioned earlier, michigan fans were saying how boren was going to be a great asset to the team. now that he leaves they say he's soft and lazy, even though he says it's b/c RR's system doesn't fit him.

It's funny how, in your estimation, OSU fans are always right and Michigan fans are just plain lousy!

I'm not backing MoC in any way, shape or form but there were some bad situations that happened before the NC game like his yelling and screaming at Tim Spencer. Yes, what he did was far worse than Boren but don't be so quick to jump on UM fans. OSU fans would have acted no differently.

warren1st

03-27-2008, 02:26 PM

As far as the subject of loyalty is concerned, I believe that the father is placing his loyalty where it belongs first, to his son, imho.

I beg to differ with you on this subject. Maybe that's what's wrong with America. "My Johnny is always right no matter what those in authority say."

Maybe Mike should have told him to suck it up and stay put.

Of course, it's all speculation on our parts, imho.

Kamd50

03-27-2008, 02:32 PM

Barring that the kid does nothing wrong, and by all accounts he didn't, a parent stands by their kid and what is in the best interest of their kid. In the big scheme of things, family comes first.

Boren: Football team's 'family values' have eroded
by John Heuser
Wednesday March 26, 2008, 8:48 PM
The next destination for Justin Boren remains unclear, but the offensive lineman said in a statement Wednesday that he left the University of Michigan football program because of the decline in "family values" since Rich Rodriguez replaced Lloyd Carr as coach.

"I regret leaving behind my friends and teammates, but I need to stand up for what I know is right. I wore the winged helmet with pride, whether we won or lost, whether things were going well or times were tough," Boren said.

continued...http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/football/index.ssf/2008/03/boren_football_teams_family_va.html

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

03-27-2008, 02:45 PM

Wherever he goes...that can't be controlled. Michigan has to work towards their dream of a Big Ten title (first since 2004). They can't worry about that...it doesn't make a difference.

They just have to move on and play. No matter what happens, regardless of what happens... just move on and play.

SuperBran

03-27-2008, 02:48 PM

It's funny how, in your estimation, OSU fans are always right and Michigan fans are just plain lousy!

kinda like how you act as though osu fans are horrible but michigan fans are all classy and full of hugs?

I'm not backing MoC in any way, shape or form but there were some bad situations that happened before the NC game like his yelling and screaming at Tim Spencer. Yes, what he did was far worse than Boren but don't be so quick to jump on UM fans. OSU fans would have acted no differently.

you've found a way to miss the point entirely. people were talking about how much boren was going to contribute to the team next year. he decides to leave and now he's automatically soft and lazy. you wouldn't hear that if he stayed.

people didn't jump on clarrett simply b/c he left the team. people jumped on him b/c he was an idiot who did stupid things. people ripped on clarrett after that whole pre-nc issue. after the nc game people continued to jump on him b/c he continued to do stupid things.

if you think that the clarrett situation and the boren situation are the same you're crazy.

warren1st

03-27-2008, 09:46 PM

From Coach Rodriguez perspective:

Rodriguez: Michigan's players and coaches are my family
by Jim Carty | The Ann Arbor News
Thursday March 27, 2008, 3:41 PM

University of Michigan football coach Rich Rodriguez spoke passionately Thursday afternoon about his commitment to his players and strong disappointment with a suggestion the program's values have eroded since former coach Lloyd Carr retired in January.

Sophomore guard Justin Boren, Michigan's most experienced offensive lineman and the son of former Wolverine Mike Boren, issued a statement Wednesday that said he had left the team because of the decline in "family values" since Rodriguez replaced Carr as coach.

Rodriguez would not discuss Boren's situation specifically, but said any claims that he, or his coaches, have compromised Michigan's values are simply wrong.

"Anybody who would make any comment about our values is way off-base," the coach told The News via phone Thursday. "The people who know the staff, who know what we're putting together here will tell you just the opposite as far as what's been reported. ... My players and my coaches are my family. They're coached that way.

"But we're not going to apologize for being demanding. We told that to the players. We also told them our job is to take them some place they can't take themselves, on the field and off the field, and I think the majority of our players understand that."

Rodriguez acknowledged that the styles and approaches of some coaches on his staff may differ from previous Michigan coaches, but believed that would be expected in a coaching change.

He stressed that his coaches treat Michigan's players with respect inside and outside of practice, and have throughout a 20-year coaching career that's stretched from West Virginia to tiny Salem College.

"I'm going to coach every player like I was coaching my own son," Rodriguez said. "That to me is the biggest testament. If my son was here, I'm planning on coaching him the very same way.

"I think sometimes players take things personally, but we tell them not to take it personally when we're trying to coach you. They have to adapt. Sometimes players get close to a position coach and if he's not there, there's a transition period. But our track record as far as treating players right and having a great level of mutual respect has always been there. This is not my first rodeo, and I think if you went back and asked the majority of guys about their experience playing in our program, they'd feel pretty good about it."

austinsm11

03-27-2008, 10:10 PM

Seems like good old Mr. Carty has a changed his stance from a month or two ago, wouldn't you say?

warren1st

03-27-2008, 10:22 PM

Seems like good old Mr. Carty has a changed his stance from a month or two ago, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, I really don't know what his problem is but how would you like him writing for say the Columbus Dispatch and bad-mouthing the Buckeyes constantly??

austinsm11

03-28-2008, 09:44 AM

I think that if there was a reporter like that in Columbus people would stop buying the paper.

I know the entire truth won't come out, but here is a thought:

Justin's dad was a pretty big Michigan man who played under Bo. Having not been offered a scholarship to OSU and playing for Michigan, I wouldn't think he would be too big on OSU.

Makes you wonder what exactly happened for Mike Boren to back his son and even consider OSU. I would think that if it was all about the conditioning his dad would tell him to suck it up. If Justin still did decide to quit, I wouldn't think his dad would pay for him to go to OSU.

TigerCoach

03-28-2008, 09:50 AM

I didn't realize that this Boren kid is from Pickerington. OSU is also recruiting his younger brother, who will be a senior LB next year at Pickerington North.

austinsm11

03-28-2008, 09:54 AM

I didn't realize that this Boren kid is from Pickerington. OSU is also recruiting his younger brother, who will be a senior LB next year at Pickerington North.

I'm reading that his brother could have something to do with it. The father wants them both at the same school. Perhaps Michigan wasn't going to offer the younger brother.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/SPORTS06/803280456

The family will consider a number of factors for Justin's transfer, including a potential college for his younger brother. Zach Boren is a highly rated fullback prospect who will be a high school senior in the fall.

"I'm not going to have two kids at two universities," Mike said.

warren1st

03-28-2008, 03:02 PM

I'm only guessing but RR's S&C program is grueling. Some can hack it and others can't....................

Bo had the same situation in the Spring of '69. Thus, his famous quote (at least for Michigan fans), "Those who stay will be champions!"

I wish the young man and his family continued success where ever he ends up going.

austinsm11

03-28-2008, 03:43 PM

I still have by doubts about it being a S&C issue. Yes I believe it was probably different and tougher than what he was used to, but do you really think his dad would have backed him leaving or would his dad have told him to suck it up?

Another quote from the article:
"There were definitely problems. It just could not work. Justin went to the right people and tried talking to people, but no one wanted to listen."

I have a feeling that perhaps the younger son wasn't going to be offered and that was the biggest issue (although there seem to be many issues). Maybe that is where the "family values" jab came in...but if you aren't good enough then you aren't good enough.