Farrah the Frontrunner?

[man2man]

The Inde seems to think so....

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=25678&Category=2

Thoughts?

[Tiger77]

"Until something happens, I'm still there." Didn't Stacy say pretty much that same thing and get bashed for it? It seems most coaches are looking for their next opportunity. I personally think Farrah would be making a mistake coming to Massillon. He's already coaching at his alma mater. What's he going to do in a couple years when he's about to get run out of town? Could be risky for him.

[TIGER27]

You never know about getting run out of town, I could have coached last years team to the play offs. I was never a huge Stacy fan since the Elder game at Cincinnati it was a horribly called game and the way he handled the QB situation this year still leaves me clueless. I just would like to remind the Stacy lovers that Andrew Dailey is at Penn State, Brian Gamble and Antiono James are at Illinois, Brett Huffman is at Duke, Steve Schott is now at Ball State, Dirk Dickerhoof plays for Ball State, Weisand was 1st team all sate as a punter, Neil James is at IUPI. Troy Ellis Bobby Huth Robert Morris and Zach Vanryzin were all amazing players who were just a little to small to play at the next level come on look at all that talent.

[Tiger77]

All played on the 2005 team that went to the State Championship Game. Believe it or not, Stacy had a big hand in securing most if not all of those scholarships. I'd say job well done. What is your point concerning Farrah?

[OTC TIGER]

Dickerhoof plays for Ashland

[TigerVic]

Why should the Inde call him a frontrunner other than "Internet chatter"? That doesn't make him a true frontrunner at all.

[LLRose]

You never know about getting run out of town, I could have coached last years team to the play offs. I was never a huge Stacy fan since the Elder game at Cincinnati it was a horribly called game and the way he handled the QB situation this year still leaves me clueless. I just would like to remind the Stacy lovers that Andrew Dailey is at Penn State, Brian Gamble and Antiono James are at Illinois, Brett Huffman is at Duke, Steve Schott is now at Ball State, Dirk Dickerhoof plays for Ball State, Weisand was 1st team all sate as a punter, Neil James is at IUPI. Troy Ellis Bobby Huth Robert Morris and Zach Vanryzin were all amazing players who were just a little to small to play at the next level come on look at all that talent.

Your post is the perfect example of the cultural change that needs to occur for this program to have long term coaching stability and sustained state championship level success.

To compare the talent level of the '05 team to the '07 team and and blame the coach is ridiculous.

You and everyone else (me included) pinned our hopes on an overrated transfer and were disappointed . The '05 team would beat the '07 team by 3-4 touchdowns on talent alone with Tom or any other coach.

[Red50Go]

I think it is widely known PF is highly thought of, and 1 of the front runners. Not THE frontrunner. Thats way too premature for anybody at this stage.

And to your point 77, yes that might leave him open to some criticism from Louisville boosters etc. But I will bet you a Lousville coach being considered for the Massillon (or Mckinley) post is more a source of pride, or sadness, for most Louisville fans. Totally different than a HC from Massillon stating he is looking, w/out any specific opening in mind. But lets put it behind us shall we? Tom's happy good for him.

[Red50Go]

Your post is the perfect example of the cultural change that needs to occur for this program to have long term coaching stability and sustained state championship level success.

To compare the talent level of the '05 team to the '07 team and and blame the coach is ridiculous.

You and everyone else (me included) pinned our hopes on an overrated transfer and were disappointed . The '05 team would beat the '07 team by 3-4 touchdowns on talent alone with Tom or any other coach.

Woulda this woulda that, yadda yadda yadda. Alot of those guys WERE on the 06 team, and they were better as juniors. How good would we have been in 05 if our 2 best players didn't go both ways? Whatever.

Nobody forced Tom to take the job short term and nobody forced us to hire that way. You are right the culture does need to change, begining w/ actually hiring a long term candidate. You think what you want but I am pretty optimistic myself, w/ everything I am reading, and the DREAM project underway.

[TigerCoach]

To compare the talent level of the '05 team to the '07 team and and blame the coach is ridiculous.

You and everyone else (me included) pinned our hopes on an overrated transfer and were disappointed . The '05 team would beat the '07 team by 3-4 touchdowns on talent alone with Tom or any other coach.

I agree with you LL, that's the same arguement I made in support of Shepas. In 2003 & 2004, the talent level was below the average by far!

[LLRose]

It's always the coach's fault in Groundhogtown errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Tigertown.

[man2man]

It's always the coach's fault in Groundhogtown errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Tigertown.

Yep.

Props to Coach Stacy and his staff for helping kids get connected with their college programs.

[CATS44]

M2m wanted thoughts.

Mine are thus:

m2m needs a course in reading comprehension. Nowhere in the article does it say that Farrah is a frontrunner, let alone THE frontrunner. In fact, it quotes farrah as saying he has not even been contacted.

I also disagree with the later statement that it is widely know that Farrah is among the frontrunners.

[Broder]

M2m wanted thoughts.

Mine are thus:

m2m needs a course in reading comprehension. Nowhere in the article does it say that Farrah is a frontrunner, let alone THE frontrunner. In fact, it quotes farrah as saying he has not even been contacted.

I also disagree with the later statement that it is widely know that Farrah is among the frontrunners.

Cats44...although I don't agree with everything you post, for the most part I agree with this post. You know far more about what is going on with the hiring process than I do, but there has been a buzz around town for months that Coach Farrah would be the next Tiger Coach. I read the article carefully and felt he "Said all the right things". I'm not sure how he knew exactly what to say. I only hope the words we truly his own thoughts and not someone elses. He also said he has not been contacted. Contacted by whom? The Recommendation Committee, the school administration, booster club members, or just ordinary citizens. I think Coach Farrah is a very good coach and deserves a look, but I agree with you, I'm not sure he is THE frontrunner.
I also believe he has been contacted, but not by anyone in an official capacity. m2m still needs to mature and let go of the fact that Coach Stacy has moved on. He and LL Rose seem to want to take a shot every chance they get. It no longer matters if Coach Stacy's leaving was handled properly, he did leave and I wish him well...he deserves it. Now quit trying to make him Paul Brown and move on.

[CATS44]

Broder: The good news is that the usual people doing the usual buzz are no longer making the decisions.

[Broder]

Broder: The good news is that the usual people doing the usual buzz are no longer making the decisions.

BINGO!!!:thumbsup:

[LLRose]

He and LL Rose seem to want to take a shot every chance they get.

Please explain what you mean by they want to take a shot every chance they get.

The day Tom left he was gone in my mind. I could care less if he goes 10-0 or 0-10 at Green (awful job).

My stance on this site has been consistent. I supported the coach while haters cared more about his departure than winning games.

My goal is for Massillon fans to wake up and provide an environment conducive for the next coach to have long term sustained success.

I'll give you an example from Tiger77 regarding PF leaving Louisville.
What's he going to do in a couple years when he's about to get run out of town?

The coach killer mentality foolish.

PS, the best and brightest coaches pass on this job because of the environment, some fans wear that as a badge of honor, I believe it hurts the program's chances for long term sustained success.

[Broder]

Please explain what you mean by they want to take a shot every chance they get.

The day Tom left he was gone in my mind. I could care less if he goes 10-0 or 0-10 at Green (awful job).

My stance on this site has been consistent. I supported the coach while haters cared more about his departure than winning games.

My goal is for Massillon fans to wake up and provide an environment conducive for the next coach to have long term sustained success.

I'll give you an example from Tiger77 regarding PF leaving Louisville.
What's he going to do in a couple years when he's about to get run out of town?

The coach killer mentality foolish.

PS, the best and brightest coaches pass on this job because of the environment, some fans wear that as a badge of honor, I believe it hurts the program's chances for long term sustained success.

LL...I do not have the time or the desire to go back and read all your posts. I have noticed, however that in some of your posts you seem to be attacking the very system you now claim to be protecting. I may have read your posts and interpreted them incorrectly. If that is the case...I apologize. If not...your own your own. I do believe you supported the coach, but I also believe you continued to support him after he left. That is my opinion.

I do agree that the mentality toward our coaches needs to change. But, so does the way we approach coaches and select coaches. I believe you are correct when you say some of the best and brightest coaches don't apply because of the environment. There is more than meets the eye here. Coaches are contacted (unofficially) and then never contacted again. Leaves a bitter taste in their mouths and then they talk to other coaches about the experience. We have a good committee in place now and they should be the only people talking to prospective coaches. Hopefully they will take their time and select a special coach for a special job.

[tig62]

I read the article carefully and felt he "Said all the right things". I'm not sure how he knew exactly what to say. I only hope the words we truly his own thoughts and not someone elses. He also said he has not been contacted. Contacted by whom? The Recommendation Committee, the school administration, booster club members, or just ordinary citizens. I think Coach Farrah is a very good coach and deserves a look, but I agree with you, I'm not sure he is THE frontrunner.
I also believe he has been contacted, but not by anyone in an official capacity.
JUST MAYBE Farrah has been reading our what-we-want/need-in-the-next-head coach comments here on MP and has tried to endear himself to the committee and us by way of the newsprint; IF so, a very cunning move on his part. I also believe at this time, IF he indeed has been contacted, it has not been done by anyone with any official jurisdiction in this matter.

P.S. Now we have two sportswriter guys(TP & CE) getting into the "who-should-be-considered-the-next-head-coach" act.

[proud to be]

JUST MAYBE Farrah has been reading our what-we-want/need-in-the-next-head coach comments here on MP and has tried to endear himself to the committee and us by way of the newsprint; IF so, a very cunning move on his part. I also believe at this time, IF he indeed has been contacted, it has not been done by anyone with any official jurisdiction in this matter.

P.S. Now we have two sports guys getting into the "who-should-be-the-next-head-coach" act.

Coach Farrah has a tremendous repect for the Masillon tradition, and he will embrace it IF he is given the chance, that you can be sure of.

That being said, you can also be sure of the fact that the comments he has made are heartfelt, and he will act in the best interest of the program he now represents, as well as the Tigers program. He truly cares about the kids at Louisville, and he will go about this process in a dignified manner. He is as advertised IMHO, and I believe he is well aware of what this process entails...... IF given the chance to be a part of it.

[Broder]

Coach Farrah has a tremendous repect for the Masillon tradition, and he will embrace it IF he is given the chance, that you can be sure of.

That being said, you can also be sure of the fact that the comments he has made are heartfelt, and he will act in the best interest of the program he now represents, as well as the Tigers program. He truly cares about the kids at Louisville, and he will go about this process in a dignified manner. He is as advertised IMHO, and I believe he is well aware of what this process entails...... IF given the chance to be a part of it.


Sounds like you know Coach Farrah and have talked to him. I have seen nothing you say in the papers or on any threads. You put many "IF's" in your post. Tell me more about Coach Farrah...inquiring minds want to know. Why in your humble opinion, should he be our coach. I am not being a smart a$$, I would really like to know more about him from someone who seems to know him. :thumbsup:

[CATS44]

The best and brightest coaches do not pass on us necessarily. The last time, we passed on him.

If they do pass on us, it isnt because of the expectations, its because of the meddling and politics.

But Im hopeful that the days of the meddlers are over.

[proud to be]

Sounds like you know Coach Farrah and have talked to him. I have seen nothing you say in the papers or on any threads. You put many "IF's" in your post. Tell me more about Coach Farrah...inquiring minds want to know. Why in your humble opinion, should he be our coach. I am not being a smart a$$, I would really like to know more about him from someone who seems to know him. :thumbsup:

I didn't say he should, or shouldn't be our coach, just that I like what he is about. What I know about him is that he LOVES the kids that play, and have played for him, and they are his first concern. He is about getting the most out of them, and inspiring them to achieve greatness. He has a lot of respect for the coaches on his staff, and what they bring to the table as well. Anybody who watched the Division II State Title game this year saw a TEAM that refused to quit. That doesn't happen by accident.

Any coach that inspires his players, and demands their best, is on the right track IMO. Teenage kids need to know that their leader believes in them, and will hold them to a high standard, on and off the field.

Whether Coach Farrah is the guy or not, this program needs a STRONG leader that will instill expectations of the kids, and hold them accountable for their actions.

[proud to be]

The best and brightest coaches do not pass on us necessarily. The last time, we passed on him.

If they do pass on us, it isnt because of the expectations, its because of the meddling and politics.

But Im hopeful that the days of the meddlers are over.

Truer words were never spoken!

[Broder]

I didn't say he should, or shouldn't be our coach, just that I like what he is about. What I know about him is that he LOVES the kids that play, and have played for him, and they are his first concern. He is about getting the most out of them, and inspiring them to achieve greatness. He has a lot of respect for the coaches on his staff, and what they bring to the table as well. Anybody who watched the Division II State Title game this year saw a TEAM that refused to quit. That doesn't happen by accident.

Any coach that inspires his players, and demands their best, is on the right track IMO. Teenage kids need to know that their leader believes in them, and will hold them to a high standard, on and off the field.

Whether Coach Farrah is the guy or not, this program needs a STRONG leader that will instill expectations of the kids, and hold them accountable for their actions.

THANK YOU!! I appreciate the input. Now I know more than I did from reading the article in the paper. :gotigers:

[cat]

Proud to be, you are 100% right on. PF's players are team players, care for their school, their town and for each other. Paul demands perfection from all in his program and does it the right way -thru hard work. Folks, look at the last 4 Louisville games and tell me about coaching. (espec. the Mayfield game) :gotigers:

[Red50Go]

I reckon more than a few guys are going to be very qualified, some w/ league titles, some w/ actual state titles, some maybe w/ Tiger blood. Too early to be pumping anyone yet. It is pretty exciting though.

[CATS44]

Red50Go is correct. It is impossible to pimp any coach as the best unless you know the list of coaches truly interested in the job.

Farrah is a fine coach, there can IMO be no disputing that. He has a fine track record.

But there are other coaches in Ohio who have far better track records. What if any of them are interested?

As Ive said before, far more important than the next coach is the committee. The right committee will choose the right coach for Massillon. IMO we have the right people doing the search....and doing it the right way. Im pimping the guy they choose...lol.

Historically, when we have used football people to make the choice, the track record is very good. The only mistake a real Massillon football committee has ever made is Chuck Shuff over Mike Currence. That mistake was fixed two years later.

When we have used a proper committee to do a proper search, we have ended up with Harp, Tressel, Strang, Bruce, Commings, Shuff, Currence, and Owens. Seaman was chosen by the BOE, who felt that it didnt need help in picking a coach.

And for those who believe in front runners, Bob Commings was not a front runner. Going into interviews, he was third on the list....behind Smokey Wion (Worthington) and the coach at Dover. When Commings was named, most of the town said, "Bob WHO?...wasnt he the coach at Struthers when we beat them 74-0 in 1963?" The town wanted Wion, who had been written up in Life magazine when he was at Martins Ferry. Commings was not the popular pick, until he wowed the crowd at his introductory BC meeting.

So I suggest you read these columns by sportswriters with interest, but take them for what they are....space fillers designed to maintain readership. The same goes for internet postings, including mine...lol. They are designed mainly as an attempt to make others think the writer is smaht...very smaht.

We dont want the coach with the best record or the most titles. We dont want the front runner, and we dont want the dark horse. We dont want the guy who cusses, and we dont want the one who doesnt. We dont want the guy from the big school, the small school, the suburban school, the private school, or the city school. In the end, after the choosing is finished, none of that will matter one bit. The only thing that matters is that we get the best coach for MASSILLON.

[Tiger77]

Well said! :iagree:

[proud to be]

Red50Go is correct. It is impossible to pimp any coach as the best unless you know the list of coaches truly interested in the job.

Farrah is a fine coach, there can IMO be no disputing that. He has a fine track record.

But there are other coaches in Ohio who have far better track records. What if any of them are interested?

As Ive said before, far more important than the next coach is the committee. The right committee will choose the right coach for Massillon. IMO we have the right people doing the search....and doing it the right way. Im pimping the guy they choose...lol.

Historically, when we have used football people to make the choice, the track record is very good. The only mistake a real Massillon football committee has ever made is Chuck Shuff over Mike Currence. That mistake was fixed two years later.

When we have used a proper committee to do a proper search, we have ended up with Harp, Tressel, Strang, Bruce, Commings, Shuff, Currence, and Owens. Seaman was chosen by the BOE, who felt that it didnt need help in picking a coach.

And for those who believe in front runners, Bob Commings was not a front runner. Going into interviews, he was third on the list....behind Smokey Wion (Worthington) and the coach at Dover. When Commings was named, most of the town said, "Bob WHO?...wasnt he the coach at Struthers when we beat them 74-0 in 1963?" The town wanted Wion, who had been written up in Life magazine when he was at Martins Ferry. Commings was not the popular pick, until he wowed the crowd at his introductory BC meeting.

So I suggest you read these columns by sportswriters with interest, but take them for what they are....space fillers designed to maintain readership. The same goes for internet postings, including mine...lol. They are designed mainly as an attempt to make others think the writer is smaht...very smaht.

We dont want the coach with the best record or the most titles. We dont want the front runner, and we dont want the dark horse. We dont want the guy who cusses, and we dont want the one who doesnt. We dont want the guy from the big school, the small school, the suburban school, the private school, or the city school. In the end, after the choosing is finished, none of that will matter one bit. The only thing that matters is that we get the best coach for MASSILLON.



I said earlier on one of your posts that truer words were never spoken, that was true


until now!!!

Excellent post, and right on IMO. As I said earlier, I haven't said that PF should or shouldn't be the coach, and your comment about "pimpin the guy that the commitee chooses", is hilarious...... and insightful. We can only hope that the commitee TRULY has the best interests of our program in mind, and not just a bunch of "posers" who want to get their guy in here.

[tig62]

We can only hope that the committee TRULY has the best interests of our program in mind, and not just a bunch of "posers" who want to get their guy in here.

Couldn't agree more with you & CATS44 on this point.

[Broder]

All I know is if I was on the committee (I'm not even close), I sure would be looking for the best possible coach I could find and do everything I could to hire him. At this point of the game, I would want to be able to walk down the street and not have to explain why I helped hire someone that was not the best candidate for the job. With the way things went with our last hire...and I am not talking about his ability or record...I'm talking about the hiring process itself...I would want to be sure I documented everything to prove the best coach for Massillon was selected. I do believe this committee will do that. I believe we are in good hands and the best applicant will be chosen. Besides, Cats44 has spoken and I believe him. He is far more versed on this matter than I am......I trust his judgement.

[monte81]

I just want a coach to will be dedicated to TIGER FOOTBALL and make solid decisions to help our kids on and off the field, win football games, and wishes to stay awhile!

I just hope BJ Payne gets an interview!!!:weightlift: