Coaching search set to pick up pace

[Kamd50]

Coaching search set to pick up pace
By CHRIS EASTERLING
http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=25437&r=0&Category=

[ChronicTiger]

By the information presented in the article it sounds like they will know what they are doing sometime in 2010...........but hey its just a dog and pony show its already a done deal....

:wtf:

[Paul Brown]

"He (Ridgley) reasserted his original stance of two weeks ago, that he doesn’t want to have to deal with a hard deadline."

I'm going to tell my boss today that I,too, do not want to have to deal with a hard deadline.

[Broder]

The article states they may or may not open the position for applications. Does that mean they are going to narrow it down to a number of candidates and select the coach they think is best? Or, are they doing it so that people don't find out...Who didn't apply. I think a town with the success and tradition Massillon has should have a very good idea of what they want from a head coach. You may have to tweek the system a little, but to take 2 months to decide what questions you want to ask the candidates is rediculous. There will be people come on and defend the amount of time it is taking and why, but they won't change my mind. If it takes this long for a committee to form a committee (or not) to seach for a coach, we are behind. Besides, after we do name a coach...what happens to the school system he leaves. Where does that put them, trying to find a coach in May. Doesn't help our image. I know all this is speculation, but the amount of time is not!!

[TigerCoach]

I think the committee structure actually hinders the decision making process. Everyone knew it was a joke when Al Hennon had his 19-person committee to hire his pick, but I think even the 6-person (how do they get away with calling it a 6-MAN committee?) format is too much. the more people involved, there is an increase in the levels of indecision, differences of opinion, arguments and politics between members.

In my opinion, the Superintendent, and in this case 2 Superintendents, shouldn't be involved in the search committee. He (or is it they?) has the final say, but the nomination should come from the Superintendant via the search committee. The school boards approval vote should be nothing but a formality in this case, and no school board members should be on the search committee. Isn't that a conflict of interest? I also think the search committee should consist of 3 people, no more. I'll leave my opinions of who those 3 should be, but I feel that structure would work more efficiently.

[cat]

They should do it like any other school that knows what their doing and let the Athletic director and school principle do their job. Select the best candidate and present the facts to the super then he takes the recommendation to the school board. You want to leave out politics leave the school board out of it. Too many agendas on the school board here in Massillon. Let the AD do his job. He is in charge of the athletic programs.

[Seeker]

They should do it like any other school that knows what their doing and let the Athletic director and school principle do their job. Select the best candidate and present the facts to the super then he takes the recommendation to the school board. You want to leave out politics leave the school board out of it. Too many agendas on the school board here in Massillon. Let the AD do his job. He is in charge of the athletic programs.

Cat is correct TC.
Under the by-laws of MCS, the committee and superintendent are to do the interviews and then make a recommendation to the school board.

The school board should have nothing to do with the process until the final candidate is decided.
They should not even be involved in interviewing multiple candidates.

Above, someone made a comment about a "committee to form a committee."
My impression is that this is the committee.
These are the people that will be making the decision.

[TigerCoach]

I agree Seeker, and I edited my wording to make it clearer. I agree, the school board and Super shouldn't be involved in the interview process.

Where I disagree with CAT is that you can't do "what other schools do" and let the AD do it. Massillon's athletic department isn't like other schools. I know many AD's from all over NE Ohio and their main job is to schedule busses and get people to usher events. They don't have the budget, public relations and college interactions that a Massillon or Mck has.

[Obie Wan]

but hey its just a dog and pony show its already a done deal....
If it's a "done deal", then spill the beans: Who will the next coach be?

[massillon catholic]

The school board should have nothing to do with the process until the final candidate is decided.
They should not even be involved in interviewing multiple candidates.



Isnt evan hannon on the committee? Can someone explain to me why we would have the "out-going" superintedent on the committee?

[massillon catholic]

"He (Ridgley) reasserted his original stance of two weeks ago, that he doesn’t want to have to deal with a hard deadline."

I'm going to tell my boss today that I,too, do not want to have to deal with a hard deadline.


Trust me, Ridgley has no say in whats going on. The only way he can say he helped select the coach is if he just happens to agree with the one that is actually selected by the men in charge.

[cat]

Tiger coach, don't live in a bubble my friend. There are many schools in NE Ohio with larger athletic budgets & college interactions than Massillon does. We are not the only school around that gets a lot of attention. Talk to some of your AD buddies and they would let you know.

[massillon catholic]

Tiger coach, don't live in a bubble my friend. There are many schools in NE Ohio with larger athletic budgets & college interactions than Massillon does. We are not the only school around that gets a lot of attention. Talk to some of your AD buddies and they would let you know.

Look at who out AD is and ask yourself.....How tough can the job really be?

[TigerCoach]

Tiger coach, don't live in a bubble my friend. There are many schools in NE Ohio with larger athletic budgets & college interactions than Massillon does. We are not the only school around that gets a lot of attention. Talk to some of your AD buddies and they would let you know.

I have. I personally know 2 AD's who interviewed for the Massillon AD job a couple years ago and they consulted me about the job. They treat Massillon's AD position as much more involved than any other school. I realize other schools attract college recruiters, but the total package at Massillon is much bigger than most schools.

[CATS44]

I happen to like the committee as it is formed....and I like the way I THINK it is approaching this project.

I especially like the names that are NOT on the committee.

Forget baseball, Ridgley played for Commings, was a DC under Commings and also a coach at Massillon.

DiLoreto was a coach at Massillon.

Hannon was a player for the Tigers, and his family certainly has a long history of involvement in Massillon football.

Babics was a DC at Massillon.

Blosser is the present Super, but I have to believe that he will cede any decision making to the incoming Super.

Daniels seems to be a 'neutral' member of the BOE....not affiliated with any meddling faction.

When you watch a skyscraper go up, you see a beautiful tall building rising up. You may even admire it as it reaches for the sky. But you arent looking at the important part, the building of which took so long and was mostly done out of sight.

The foundation.

It appears to me that the committee is doing a good job of laying a foundation for the actual selection. IMO it doesnt matter if every single aspect of the search is made public or not. It doesnt matter if every single political entity in the community has a say in, or even an awareness of, what is going on with the search. (that includes, me, you, and a collective MP us...lol)

What matters, the ONLY thing that matters, is that we get the best possible coach out of the largest possible number of quality coaches that may be available.

I admit that I might be the ONLY one on this forum who feels this way, but day by day I am growing more optimistic about our chances of landing the best possible coach, one who is not beholden to any non football interests in the community.

[macguy]

Daniels seems to be a 'neutral' member of the BOE....not affiliated with any meddling faction.

Daniels used to coach also and his son is Tim Daniels, former Tiger lineman and Tiger OL coach, former Univ of Tenn. o-lineman and current high school head coach in Tenn.

So in my opinion, he has as much invested in the program as the others. No complaints with him involved.

[CATS44]

Look at it this way.

The committee has been meeting to brainstorm about the basic requirements needed to be the coach at Massillon and the questions that need to be asked.

Looking at the people on the committee does anybody think that 'no cussing' will be one of the requirements? Do you think anybody suggested that they ask the applicants , "Coach, do you cuss?" :Oo:

[Seeker]

Look at it this way.

The committee has been meeting to brainstorm about the basic requirements needed to be the coach at Massillon and the questions that need to be asked.

Looking at the people on the committee does anybody think that 'no cussing' will be one of the requirements? Do you think anybody suggested that they ask the applicants , "Coach, do you cuss?" :Oo:

Yes, or rather they will dig to find out if the individual will set an example of being a gentleman.

[LLRose]

I happen to like the committee as it is formed....and I like the way I THINK it is approaching this project.

I especially like the names that are NOT on the committee.

Forget baseball, Ridgley played for Commings, was a DC under Commings and also a coach at Massillon.

DiLoreto was a coach at Massillon.

Hannon was a player for the Tigers, and his family certainly has a long history of involvement in Massillon football.

Babics was a DC at Massillon.

Blosser is the present Super, but I have to believe that he will cede any decision making to the incoming Super.

Daniels seems to be a 'neutral' member of the BOE....not affiliated with any meddling faction.

When you watch a skyscraper go up, you see a beautiful tall building rising up. You may even admire it as it reaches for the sky. But you arent looking at the important part, the building of which took so long and was mostly done out of sight.

The foundation.

It appears to me that the committee is doing a good job of laying a foundation for the actual selection. IMO it doesnt matter if every single aspect of the search is made public or not. It doesnt matter if every single political entity in the community has a say in, or even an awareness of, what is going on with the search. (that includes, me, you, and a collective MP us...lol)

What matters, the ONLY thing that matters, is that we get the best possible coach out of the largest possible number of quality coaches that may be available.

I admit that I might be the ONLY one on this forum who feels this way, but day by day I am growing more optimistic about our chances of landing the best possible coach, one who is not beholden to any non football interests in the community.

u are not alone. i agree 100 percent with the content of your post.

[TigerCoach]

Look at it this way.

The committee has been meeting to brainstorm about the basic requirements needed to be the coach at Massillon and the questions that need to be asked.

Looking at the people on the committee does anybody think that 'no cussing' will be one of the requirements? Do you think anybody suggested that they ask the applicants , "Coach, do you cuss?" :Oo:

I agree with you, CATS44, but the sad thing is why doesn't the committee already have these foundation issues in place. It's not like this is the first time we've conducted a search in the past 20 years.

[Broder]

I agree with you, CATS44, but the sad thing is why doesn't the committee already have these foundation issues in place. It's not like this is the first time we've conducted a search in the past 20 years.

My foundation issues for a new coach:

1) Detailed and descriptive policy requirements for participating in the football program, including disciplinary policies and procedures.
2) A structured feeder system that models the high school program in terms of style of play.


TOO SIMPLE and what you say makes sense!! This is Massillon, nothing makes sense and nothing is simple.

[reofan82]

The process has started too slow. I hope it picks up the pace. Choosing a coach in May could create a problem for the school the new coach comes from, as was mentioned in a previous post. I am sure the coach will come from a great program, so the other school will most likely not be able to select a new coach quickly. Also, why are they just now deciding all of these issues? If it has been known to them for a fairly long period of time that Coach Stacy would not be the coach, why wasn't a plan in place prior to this and then implemented upon the official announcement of Stacy's departure? The plan would not have to be public, lord knows their plan for hiring a new Superintendent wasn't.

[savage4president]

I think the committee structure actually hinders the decision making process. Everyone knew it was a joke when Al Hennon had his 19-person committee to hire his pick, but I think even the 6-person (how do they get away with calling it a 6-MAN committee?) format is too much. the more people involved, there is an increase in the levels of indecision, differences of opinion, arguments and politics between members.



Rick Pateno used to say that the more people on a committee, the more worthless the job. He believes that the best organization to work for is an organization that has 1 person that makes the decisions.

[Tiger77]

Rick Pateno used to say that the more people on a committee, the more worthless the job. He believes that the best organization to work for is an organization that has 1 person that makes the decisions.

That would be a dictatorship. I disagree. Cats44 has the right idea. I think they're on the right track. A small group is what they've put together and I'm sure there will be input from other sources. Also- the fact that Stacy didn't allow cussing was a good thing. There is no reason you can't coach a bunch of boys without dropping the F-bomb on them every 5 minutes, which some coaches still did, albeit in a quieter voice. Showing a little class and gentlemanly attitude doesn't mean they still can't be tough on the field.

[massillon catholic]

There is no reason you can't coach a bunch of boys without dropping the F-bomb on them every 5 minutes, which some coaches still did, albeit in a quieter voice. Showing a little class and gentlemanly attitude doesn't mean they still can't be tough on the field.

Maybe they can wear skirts, too!

[Tiger77]

Maybe they can wear skirts, too!

They could borrow some of yours! :wink:

[LLRose]

Maybe they can wear skirts, too!

r u back on the cussing issue?

an f-bomb never won a game in the history of football.

[Kamd50]

Let's be honest. No matter how the selection process is carried out or who does or doesn't have a say in the matter, there are going to be people who are going to disapprove because it wasn't to their liking. There is no way to make everyone happy, so let the school and committee do their job and then welcome and give our full support to whomever takes the reigns as the new head coach of our beloved Massillon Tigers.

[ChronicTiger]

r u back on the cussing issue?

an f-bomb never won a game in the history of football.

With a name like MassillonCatholic he should know that F-bombs are needed to excel on the field and in the classroom. Lets get these teachers cussing more, GPA's will soar....

:cool:

[massillon catholic]

Who's the front-runner?


SEEKER. lol

[Tiger Flame]

The front runner is dummy G. W. Bush !

[TigerCoach]

My sources tell me that Earl Bruce is coming out of retirement to come back to Massillon.

[Seeker]

Gee, sounds like Warren! Hey, you guys shouldn't wait too long. Who's the front-runner?

Great...now all the "in the know" guys will tell you all the different names that each of them are "100% sure of", (five at our last count), and you will know no more than you did when you asked.

Isn't Massillon fun?

:drinkem:

[Seeker]

SEEKER. lol

You are not the only one to bring my name up.

xtiger wanted me to apply as the O coordinator last time it was available.

As I recall, he cited my expertise on being offensive, or something like that.

:coolgleam:

[CATS44]

IMO it isnt taking too much time. Getting a coach in place by May 1st seems just about right.

We sound like a bunch of kids. By the time the dishes are cleared from the Thanksgiving table, they want to know when Christmas will get here...lol.

Our committee is not charged with the care of other football programs, only this one. Im too lazy to go down to the library and go thru the microfilm of the Inde, but I dont think we have had many coaches in place before late April, early May.

And what excites me about the names on this committee is that I dont see much, if any, connection to the folks in the past with political agendas. As I said earlier, I am excited also by the names not on the committee. This committee is made up of folks with a football agenda.

We all think we know football, and we all have egos....esp MEEEE. But as I said months ago, I was more interested in who was on the committee than in who the new coach would be. If the committee was made up of what I considered the right type of people, whoever they choose would be fine with me. Im happy with this committee, and whoever they choose is my first choice.

[CATS44]

Whether anybody agrees with my satisfaction with the committee, I dont give a Royal Rats Rear....lol.

For me, the committee not only indicates that a football decision will be made for football reasons, it points to a major shift of direction in the overall program and gives promise of long term success.

[warren1st]

Great...now all the "in the know" guys will tell you all the different names that each of them are "100% sure of", (five at our last count), and you will know no more than you did when you asked.

Isn't Massillon fun?

:drinkem:

Yep! I should have known better!!:rolleyes:

[march]

Leo Strang was hired in March,according to the indy.

[CATS44]

And the beat goes on.

The 'recommendation' committee is in place.

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=25637&Category=

Ready, set, go...

No, wait. Read closely.

While we sat and wrung our virtual hands over what appeared to be inertia, it appears that somebody has been working hard.

[Red50Go]

I am cautiously optimistic. I think we have a good team in place. And if I read that correctly, if someone applies who is so overly qualified (ala Belichik) then we might recommend them right away, and bypass a longer drawn out process. That might be very attractive to some widely considered to be in the top rung. Good plan imo.

[CarlE]

r u back on the cussing issue?

an f-bomb never won a game in the history of football.

It never lost one either.

[ChronicTiger]

It never lost one either.

I dont know....ive seen plenty of kids not able to perform after being cursed out in front of the team.........they get back out on the field or court and do worse........

:suspect:

[Red50Go]

I dont know....ive seen plenty of kids not able to perform after being cursed out in front of the team.........they get back out on the field or court and do worse........

:suspect:

There is no crying in football. Oh wait, thats baseball. Let me google when football became officially sissyfied. Had to be recent.

[TigerCoach]

Everytime I hear someone talk about how yelling and screaming at kids doesn't work anymore, it makes me shake my head. Do any of you realize what happens at the college level? Do you realize how they motivate kids, especially at the D-I level? They yell, they embarrass, they threaten their scholarship. "If you can't do the job, then I'm going to find someone else who will!" That's pretty good motivation for someone attending college for free. Just watch in the huddle during a TV timeout of a college basketball game. I just saw Coack K chew some kids butt out Saturday night.

Another reason I shake my head is this. Do you think the military drill seargents at boot camp have changed their tactics over the years. Hell no! If it is good enough for the military, where you don't have your mommy & daddy, then why isn't it good enough for high school sports?

[CarlE]

I dont know....ive seen plenty of kids not able to perform after being cursed out in front of the team.........they get back out on the field or court and do worse........

:suspect:

Then they shouldn't have been out there in the first place. Come on, Chronic are you serious about this? If so, they have bigger problems than a coach chewing them out. My opinion.

[Paul Brown]

Some kids thrive on yelling and some kids dont respond well to it. A good coach knows how each player responds best and uses that tactic.

[ak-rowdy]

There is no crying in football. Oh wait, thats baseball. Let me google when football became officially sissyfied. Had to be recent.

according to some players on the 05 team darius ashley cried durring the game and carried his team to a state title...

[austinsm11]

Some kids thrive on yelling and some kids dont respond well to it. A good coach knows how each player responds best and uses that tactic.

I completely agree with this. Different players respond in different ways.

[LLRose]

It never lost one either.

Thank you, we agree. It has no impact on the performance of a football team.

I can't believe MC continues to bring up this criteria for the head coach of a High School football team.

Thank you for joining me in dismissing MC's desire to have a potty mouth as his #1 criteria for the next Tiger coach.

Maybe we should focus on:

Past experience/record
Offensive & Defensive philosophy
Record vs. their arch rival
Ability to unite the community
Individual and Team Accountability
Ability to put up with some dumb @$s fans
Build continuity through Massillon's middle school program
Desire to kiss certain booster's @$se$ during a stealth back room interview

[TigerCoach]

I completely agree with this. Different players respond in different ways.

I respect your difference of opinion, but there is a difference in how you coach football versus soccer.

[austinsm11]

I respect your difference of opinion, but there is a difference in how you coach football versus soccer.

While there is a difference, some players do not respond to yelling, regardless of sport.

Do you think all players respond to it?


I also think it depends on the coach. While I admit to never witnessing a practice and I'm sure the position coaches do a good bit of yelling....I can't really picture Jim Tressel yelling and screaming at his players, at least on a regular basis.

[TigerCoach]

While there is a difference, some players do not respond to yelling, regardless of sport.

Do you think all players respond to it?


I also think it depends on the coach. While I admit to never witnessing a practice and I'm sure the position coaches do a good bit of yelling....I can't really picture Jim Tressel yelling and screaming at his players, at least on a regular basis.

But when Coach Tressel does (and I guarantee you he does), it makes a major impact.

[austinsm11]

But when Coach Tressel does (and I guarantee you he does), it makes a major impact.

I completely agree.

I don't care what the coach does if it motivates the players.

[man2man]

Coach Tressel's standards for himself and his coaches"

1. No profanity
2. Only raise your voices in praise of a player, not when criticizing.

[CarlE]

Coach Tressel's standards for himself and his coaches"

1. No profanity
2. Only raise your voices in praise of a player, not when criticizing.

Have you ever been to an Ohio State practice? I didn't think so.

[man2man]

I'm quoting Tressel. Call him and ask him.

Do you swear at your little baseball team?

I don't think cussing at young athletes helps their performance one ounce, but it could have a negative effect on some young people.

[CarlE]

I'm quoting Tressel. Call him and ask him.

Do you swear at your little baseball team?

I don't think cussing at young athletes helps their performance one ounce, but it could have a negative effect on some young people.

Have you ever been to an OSU practice, son? I didn't think so.
They're not little. He!!, half of them could probably kick YOUR a$$. And no, I don't.

[man2man]

Are you saying Tressel is lying?

Of all the topics on here, why put your support behind swearing at young athletes?

[CarlE]

Are you saying Tressel is lying?

Of all the topics on here, why put your support behind swearing at young athletes?

No, I'm just saying I've witnessed different.
They're not "young athletes". They're freaking high school and college athletes. God, get into the real world WILL you? Or better yet, head to Green. I heard there's a no swearing ordinance there now. Along with a "no more than three different plays a game" ordinance.

[man2man]

I think swearing at people is not a postive event for the speaker or hearer. When the speaker is an adult in a position of authority, and the hearer is a minor, I think it's a lose-lose situation.

I left the "everyone does it so it's OK" mentality in about 5th grade.

[CarlE]

I think swearing at people is not a postive event for the speaker or hearer. When the speaker is an adult in a position of authority, and the hearer is a minor, I think it's a lose-lose situation.

I left the "everyone does it so it's OK" mentality in about 5th grade.

Nobody disagreed with that.
Nobody alluded to that.

Class dismissed.

[TigerCoach]

There's a difference, Einstein, in swearing and raising your voice. I assure you that Coach tressel raises his voice to motivate players. He may not swear, but he will get your attention if he needs to.

[LLRose]

There's a difference, Einstein, in swearing and raising your voice. I assure you that Coach tressel raises his voice to motivate players. He may not swear, but he will get your attention if he needs to.

I don't think anyone disagrees with your point.

Swearing- not acceptable

Yelling- Acceptable

You don't need to throw a F-bomb at a kid to hold him accountable on a football field.

Most coaches that consistently cuss do so because they lack interpersonal communication skills.

[LLRose]

I played for a coach from the Lee Tressel coaching tree in college.

TRUST ME, swearing is not a tactic used by coaches that learned the game from Dr Lee Tressel.

Acceptable conduct on the field and off the field should remain consistent, and it was consistent.

[man2man]

Again - I'm just repeating what Tressel said at a HOF luncheon. His standard for his coaches was only to raise their voices when praising a player. It wasn't my rule, it's his.

Apparently Tressel, a pretty good coach, disagrees with coaches swearing at players. I agree.

[Red50Go]

Again - I'm just repeating what Tressel said at a HOF luncheon. His standard for his coaches was only to raise their voices when praising a player. It wasn't my rule, it's his.

Apparently Tressel, a pretty good coach, disagrees with coaches swearing at players. I agree.

And then there was Woody, lol. I dont know if PB swore but most of the players thought he was an sob til later. I remember Otto Graham saying he came off the field once w/ a broken nose & blood gushing, and PB questioned his courage for leaving the pocket. Graham said he wanted to kill him! But he stayed in the pocket the rest of the game. I am not FOR cussing, but I am for letting coaches coach and the results speaking for themselves.

[mmauthor]

I am against swearing at and yelling at players. I like the "teaching" approach.

[Broder]

There is a difference between cussing around players and about things they do and cussing at players. You don't have to call players cuss words to get their attention. There are however times that shouting and cussing get a players attention quicker than asking them to "Please" do their assingment. Using profanity directed at a player should never be acceptable under any conditions. Shouting and working them hard however, is a must.

[tig62]

In my observations in life, I have seen both positive(encouragement, etc.) and negative(chewing-out, etc.) motivation produce the desired result; it depended on the type of indvidual in which the wise boss/coach was dealing with and the timing. It's not an easy task to do, especially in a team setting; IMHO it takes an out-of-the-ordinary person to be an effective motivator.

[Seeker]

...it depended on the type of indvidual in which the wise boss/coach was dealing with and the timing...

I think that should be "wife/boss/coach."

:glare:

[CATS44]

Lets see now.

Strang, Bruce, Commings, Currence, Owens, Rose, Shep...

Ducky, Nick, Wells, Letcavitz, J Studer, S Studer, Ridgely, Babics, Chovan, Huffman, Butch, Coyer, Bridey, Garcia, Kovacs, Partridge...

Thats a very strong list of coaches, past and present.

Im sure that none of them ever let loose with profanity on a football field.

Yeah, right.

[man2man]

Let me give you a little help with the reading comprehension: the topic isn't whether any coach has done it (duh) - it's whether it is any more or less an effective means of communicating to young players.

I think the best coaches can communicate without being profane and vulgar. Some cannot, for whatever reason.

[CATS44]

Let me give you a little coaching comprehension.

Would you rate the list I provided as among what you consider 'best' coaches?

Have you ever spent any time watching the above run a practice?

In no way am I condoning or condemning, but we are talking about football, not the debate team. Football is a type of martial experience.

[massillon catholic]

Lets see now.

Strang, Bruce, Commings, Currence, Owens, Rose, Shep...

Ducky, Nick, Wells, Letcavitz, J Studer, S Studer, Ridgely, Babics, Chovan, Huffman, Butch, Coyer, Bridey, Garcia, Kovacs, Partridge...

Thats a very strong list of coaches, past and present.

Im sure that none of them ever let loose with profanity on a football field.

Yeah, right.


Commings was a great motivator, the last one to win state championship and he cussed at the players. See the connection man2man?

[Smitty]

Lets see now.

Strang, Bruce, Commings, Currence, Owens, Rose, Shep...

Ducky, Nick, Wells, Letcavitz, J Studer, S Studer, Ridgely, Babics, Chovan, Huffman, Butch, Coyer, Bridey, Garcia, Kovacs, Partridge...

Thats a very strong list of coaches, past and present.

Im sure that none of them ever let loose with profanity on a football field.

Yeah, right.


man2man only knows 1 name (Bruce) on that list...

... and wouldn't recognize any of 'em if he happened to be sat next to 'em in church.

FWIW, just because a man lets loose with "colorful" language on a football field or golf course doesn't mean he's not a God-fearing, church-attending Christian man.

[man2man]

Commings was a great motivator, the last one to win state championship and he cussed at the players. See the connection man2man?

:lol:

So cussing = winning? You have proven my point far better than I ever could.

Coach Tressel was in town yesterday speaking at 3 fundraisers. Maybe if he had cussed a few times he could have raised more money too :laughing:

[monte81]

Lets see now.

Strang, Bruce, Commings, Currence, Owens, Rose, Shep...

Ducky, Nick, Wells, Letcavitz, J Studer, S Studer, Ridgely, Babics, Chovan, Huffman, Butch, Coyer, Bridey, Garcia, Kovacs, Partridge...

Thats a very strong list of coaches, past and present.

Im sure that none of them ever let loose with profanity on a football field.

Yeah, right.


Funny, I played for 7 coaches on your list and 6 of them dropped F bombs from time to time. However, none of them cursed directly at players. it was more like What the F are you guys doing or this is a cluster F of a formation guys, etc,... football teaches men and every player needs coached differantly. Some you can talk to and others need kicked in the ass!(sorry, I mean butt).

However, I was banned from the mic at pep rallies and bomb fires my senior year by Coach Owens. J. Stafford was as well for saying "were gonna kick some ass Friday night":lol:

Coach Nick V. will still drop a F bomb when talking about the Tigers right now!!LOL