Why Is Mp. Com Supporting The Mrdd?

[hexumjunkie]

You Know How Much This Costs Us Tax Payers? Have You Seen The Plan For The Money....vote No For Mrdd!!! What A Joke!

**disclaimer** I Do Believe Those Kids Really Do Have Special Needs And Deserve Good Care For Them But That Should Be Funding From Other Places Not The Local Workers Who Already Have A Hard Enough Times These Days...to Take An Extra 200-600 Dollars A Year Away From Us Is Unheard Of!

[TigerCoach]

What makes you think MP is endorsing the MRDD? Individuals may be supporting them, but I don't think a website is capable.

[lobbs]

wats MRDD

[Paul Brown]

Have you guys ever heard of advertisers?

[Kamd50]

i still dont understand what MRDD is:usflag:

Ohio Association of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities.

[gotigers1]

**disclaimer** I Do Believe Those Kids Really Do Have Special Needs And Deserve Good Care For Them But That Should Be Funding From Other Places Not The Local Workers Who Already Have A Hard Enough Times These Days...to Take An Extra 200-600 Dollars A Year Away From Us Is Unheard Of!

Then why don't you call down to Columbus and ask the powers that be why they are cutting the funding for the MRDD Programs. Personally I am glad they don't ask for a levy every 3 years. Once every 10 is fine with me!

[obiefan]

Why?

Because I have a couple neighbors who use their services. These people are great people, and they deserve our help.

They can't help that they need help.

But the fact is, that they DO need everyone's help.

[CATS44]

For those of us who believe in and profess the pillars of any of the main world religious traditions, we are expressly enjoined to provide for the 'widows and fatherless,' those less fortunate, the children among us.

Support of the MRDD is one way to obey such tenents.

[gotigers1]

For those of us who believe in and profess the pillars of any of the main world religious traditions, we are expressly enjoined to provide for the 'widows and fatherless,' those less fortunate, the children among us.

Support of the MRDD is one way to obey such tenents.

Nice post! Thank you!

[Obie Wan]

For those of us who believe in and profess the pillars of any of the main world religious traditions, we are expressly enjoined to provide for the 'widows and fatherless,' those less fortunate, the children among us.

Support of the MRDD is one way to obey such tenents.
Guilt, emotion, and/or moralizing are flimsy reasons for governmental policy.

[ForeverTwirl06]

Go spend a whole day in a class full of nothing but special needs children, and you'll understand why we are asking you to support the levy. These kids have been ignored and unappreciated their whole lives. They have had minimal services which are sometimes needed for them to function in everyday life. These kids are already fighting against so much, and they need us to help them succeed. It's sad to see how ignored these children are. I am in my second year of a special education major and I have plenty of experience with these type of children as well as the teachers. There is only soo much a teacher can do due to funding. Just think of how many more children can be helped by this levy. Think of how many special children you are providing a chance at succeeding by passing this levy. Like I said. Go spend a day in a class full of special needs students, then tell me we don't need this levy.

[Smitty]

Guilt, emotion, and/or moralizing are flimsy reasons for governmental policy.

Amen, Brother Obie Wan!

If we're supposed to believe in the "separation of church & state" philosophy...

... our government ought to get out of the charity business.

[CATS44]

'With malice towards none, with charity for all...'

That covers a whole host of things, not just a national healing process.

Theres is no note of guilt or emotion in it, but there is a strong urge towards doing the moral thing.

IMO an American voter may question the amount that is asked for in such a levy request, but it goes against the American ideal to question the need for such governmental services.

Those who feel no duty to support such governmental services remind me of a former President, Calvin Coolidge. Before Katrina, the worst natural disaster to hit the lower Mississippi River system was during his Presidency. He had a regular radio program in which he addressed the nation. He was asked by the Red Cross to announce an address to which Americans could send donations for flood relief. Coolidge refused, insisting that the goverment wasnt, and shouldnt, be involved in the relief of the millions who were suffering.

[Obie Wan]

IMO an American voter may question the amount that is asked for in such a levy request, but it goes against the American ideal to question the need for such governmental services.
A vote against the levy for either reason has the same effect - but every person who casts such a vote will be portrayed as heartless and/or immoral, irrespective of the reason for the vote. The whole campaign is a tug at the heartstrings -- an emotional appeal -- with concomitant imputations of shame.

There has been little discussion of the more substantive aspects of the issue, like why they need this much money, or why they want a 10-year levy. I am not uncaring, but nor am I a fool. If you want my money, tell me how it will be spent.

[Tiger2001]

I used to work for the ARC of Stark county AND Stark MRDD. Believe me when I tell you that they DO NEED the funding. I dont mind helping people in need.

[Red50Go]

Amen, Brother Obie Wan!

If we're supposed to believe in the "separation of church & state" philosophy...

... our government ought to get out of the charity business.

I've often wondered how many republicans reconciled their self-professed stronger belief in God & Jesus versus more "charitable" notions (for lack of a better word). Not just this program, which I know little about, but most programs in general tagged "liberal".

Not to single you out at all Smitty but I thought you might have the best answer.

[CATS44]

Obie Wan: In your follow up post, you bring up much more legitimate reasoning for a stance against the MRDD levy.

However, I have had no problem getting the info on the reasoning for the costs and time frame.

Some will be more worried about the costs, figuring that services are secondary to their wallets. Others will be more worried about the services rendered, figuring that costs are less relevant. Both are reasonable points of view that say something about their individual outlooks.

[hexumjunkie]

The people have spoke and the vote was heard. As you can see in my disclaimer above there is no doubt these kids deserve and need the help. I just don't think it should come out of the Stark county taxpayers pockets. I would of voted yes if it wouldn't of cost me an extra 200.00 a year in property taxes. They were asking for way too much. Say you own a nice home in Jackson twp. you could be paying up to another 800.00 a year in taxes. Unreal but the people have spoke.

[savage4president]

I've often wondered how many republicans reconciled their self-professed stronger belief in God & Jesus versus more "charitable" notions (for lack of a better word). Not just this program, which I know little about, but most programs in general tagged "liberal".

Not to single you out at all Smitty but I thought you might have the best answer.

Charity and Taxes are not the same thing, yet our government sure thinks it is. The government, should not force charitable "donations" upon us.

[SuperBran]

The government, should not force charitable "donations" upon us.

considering the people vote on whether they want to give or do not want to give, where is the governmental "force"?

[Obie Wan]

I've often wondered how many republicans reconciled their self-professed stronger belief in God & Jesus versus more "charitable" notions (for lack of a better word). Not just this program, which I know little about, but most programs in general tagged "liberal".
FYI, Republicans, on average, give a greater percentage of their incomes to charity than do Democrats. Look it up.

[Tiger77]

How are organizations like this supposed to come up with funding? Won't it come from our taxes eventually, maybe in the form of government grants? It would've added over $200 to my taxes also. I voted it for it though because I think it's their only form of funding and it's a service that is needed.

[CarlE]

I've often wondered how many republicans reconciled their self-professed stronger belief in God & Jesus versus more "charitable" notions (for lack of a better word). Not just this program, which I know little about, but most programs in general tagged "liberal".

Not to single you out at all Smitty but I thought you might have the best answer.

You're stupid for posting something like this. I give more to charity a year than you MAKE, I promise you. Having said that, some of the stuff I'm reading on here makes me ashamed to say that I know you guys. Go to one of these places and look around. You MIGHT change your mind.

[ForeverTwirl06]

Having said that, some of the stuff I'm reading on here makes me ashamed to say that I know you guys. Go to one of these places and look around. You MIGHT change your mind.

..thank you Carl E..


.. Stark county... you got it wrong this time..

[TigerLily]

I do not think, for the most part, that taxpayers don’t want to help these programs and people in need.

You can’t fault people for taking care of their own families first. And, it’s just getting harder and harder. People are trying to make ends meet. They are trying to hang on to their homes. We have higher gasoline, higher groceries, higher utilities, medical bills, etc.

Our taxes are high now and if someone says that we have to pay another $200 a year, even though it is a very worthwhile cause…well, we have to think twice about it.

I also believe in church tithing and giving to missions. This helps people in a whole variety of ways. Missionary work is not only spreading the gospel, but also helping people in their daily lives. For me it’s church and family first, and then whatever I can do to help with other needs.

Maybe now with the levy failing, those who have voted “yes” should go ahead and send MRDD the $200 or even more if they can. I’m sure they would welcome the donation.

[lobbs]

HEY I JUST REALIZED IM NOT A HORNET NO MORE, IMA GREEN DRAGON! MY GOAL IN LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE I CAN DIE A HAPPY MAN! BY THE WAY LA IS STILL BETTER THAN THE POETS!!!!:thumbsup:

[hexumjunkie]

I do not think, for the most part, that taxpayers don’t want to help these programs and people in need.

You can’t fault people for taking care of their own families first. And, it’s just getting harder and harder. People are trying to make ends meet. They are trying to hang on to their homes. We have higher gasoline, higher groceries, higher utilities, medical bills, etc.

Our taxes are high now and if someone says that we have to pay another $200 a year, even though it is a very worthwhile cause…well, we have to think twice about it.

I also believe in church tithing and giving to missions. This helps people in a whole variety of ways. Missionary work is not only spreading the gospel, but also helping people in their daily lives. For me it’s church and family first, and then whatever I can do to help with other needs.

Maybe now with the levy failing, those who have voted “yes” should go ahead and send MRDD the $200 or even more if they can. I’m sure they would welcome the donation.


WELL PUT! Those in the posistion to donate that 200.00 should since they feel so strongly about this. Remember we already pay for this through our state taxes.

[massillon catholic]

HEY I JUST REALIZED IM NOT A HORNET NO MORE, IMA GREEN DRAGON! MY GOAL IN LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE I CAN DIE A HAPPY MAN! BY THE WAY LA IS STILL BETTER THAN THE POETS!!!!:thumbsup:

Congratulations lobbs! I look forward to more of your posts. Dont let these know-it-alls upset you.:2thumbsup:

[SternRulz]

$200 bucks a year? C'mon people...that's .54 a freakin' day. Some of us lose that in our couch during the evening news every night.

:thumbsdown:

[Paul Brown]

Some of us lose that in our couch during the evening news every night.

:thumbsdown:

You shouldn't be so lax with your money. :)

[SternRulz]

You shouldn't be so lax with your money. :)

I never said I didn't dig it out - LOL!

[SternRulz]

Seriously though...a little perspective.

If you can see a movie and eat at Applebee's a few times a year, that should just about cover helping out these kids. For pete's sake it's one less cup of coffee a day...or 3 trips to Starbucks for some - LOL.

[Red50Go]

You're stupid for posting something like this. I give more to charity a year than you MAKE, I promise you. Having said that, some of the stuff I'm reading on here makes me ashamed to say that I know you guys. Go to one of these places and look around. You MIGHT change your mind.

Was I talking about you lunkhead? I think we all know by now you're the wealthiest most charitable prick on here. Congrats.

I am independent so I like pointing out inconsistencies as I see them when people pigeon hole their beliefs to 1 party. Plus, I am a prick too, lol. Btw, statistics show lower middle class, and "poor people" are the most charitable.

War is not Pro-Life

;)

[Tiger2001]

I think we all know by now you're the wealthiest most charitable prick on here. Congrats.





:gasp:...Haha! Carl does like to talk about his income. I have also noticed this.

[Indiana95]

War is not Pro-Life



That's the quote of the week.:thumbsup:

[Seeker]

That's the quote of the week.:thumbsup:

Maybe I can beat it.

It's impossible to be pro-life and pro-capital punishment.

:ohplease:

[Indiana95]

Maybe I can beat it.

It's impossible to be pro-life and pro-capital punishment.

:ohplease:

:iagree:Even better!

[CarlE]

Was I talking about you lunkhead? I think we all know by now you're the wealthiest most charitable prick on here. Congrats.

I am independent so I like pointing out inconsistencies as I see them when people pigeon hole their beliefs to 1 party. Plus, I am a prick too, lol. Btw, statistics show lower middle class, and "poor people" are the most charitable.

War is not Pro-Life

;)


1. Wealthiest? No I'm not.
2. Most charitable? No I'm not.
3. Prick? Yeah, sure am. Glad to have you join me.
4. Provide me with something that confirms those "statistics" you quote.

By the way, I LOVE your posts.

[massillon catholic]

I am so glad this levy failed. They were asking for too much for too long.

[ohiomosquito]

I can tell you that I have worked with the special needs folks and it kills me. The other day I was working with a little girl, 7 years old who cannot walk or talk. She has the most amazing smile and look in her eyes. It was killing me that I had to get home that night to take my 7 years old daughter to softball practice. I first gave my daughter a big hug and told her how much I love her and then I reminded her of how lucky we are that she is a healthy little girl. She asked me why I said that and I told her that the little girl I worked with today will never run or chase a ball like you can so you need to remember that your gift of being healthy is very special. Then it dawned on me... that little girl I worked with this morning is special too. It breaks my heart to see children with special needs. They are missing out on so much that life should be giving them and if it cost me a few hundred dollars a year to give them a little more than they have, then I will gladly pay it. People have a habit of turning away from what scares them. If you have not gave one day to volunteer then you need to, you must! It will change your mind. Of all of the taxes and donations I give this one is important and cannot be ignored.

[ohiomosquito]

Btw, statistics show lower middle class, and "poor people" are the most charitable.

;)


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200612/ai_n17196125

This was a good little story I found. It does say "The second myth is that people with the most money are the most generous. But while the rich give more in total dollars, low-income people give almost 30% more as a share of their income. " But read for yourself. It's a pretty interesting study.

[Indiana95]

I can tell you that I have worked with the special needs folks and it kills me. The other day I was working with a little girl, 7 years old who cannot walk or talk. She has the most amazing smile and look in her eyes. It was killing me that I had to get home that night to take my 7 years old daughter to softball practice. I first gave my daughter a big hug and told her how much I love her and then I reminded her of how lucky we are that she is a healthy little girl. She asked me why I said that and I told her that the little girl I worked with today will never run or chase a ball like you can so you need to remember that your gift of being healthy is very special. Then it dawned on me... that little girl I worked with this morning is special too. It breaks my heart to see children with special needs. They are missing out on so much that life should be giving them and if it cost me a few hundred dollars a year to give them a little more than they have, then I will gladly pay it. People have a habit of turning away from what scares them. If you have not gave one day to volunteer then you need to, you must! It will change your mind. Of all of the taxes and donations I give this one is important and cannot be ignored.

Touching story. It is so true that people not affected (directly or indirectly) are so quick to balk at spending pennies a day to help support those in the most need. My wife worked with autistic children for quite a while, and you are right, they are so special in the true definition of the word.

The selfishness of some is upsetting, but what are you gonna do? I for one will continue to happily pay the portion of my tax bill that contribute to these services, in addition to my charitable giving.

[savage4president]

Maybe I can beat it.

It's impossible to be pro-life and pro-capital punishment.

:ohplease:

I would agree that the term Pro-life is indeed an oxymoron. The majority of people that are termed as pro-lifers are in favor of capital punishment. In retrospect those individuals should have used the term anti-abortion, but they did not and the "pro-life" thing is often thrown back at them. The truth of the matter is they tend to be simply "anti-abortion". This mixup of terminology has happened many times in history. Example...the "federalist" after the national convention of 1787 were actually not federalist they were nationalist (Jay, Hamilton, Madison), and the "anti-federlist" were actually federalist and were against the Costitution because it took away the "federal" form of government used under the articles of confederation. (Gov. Clinton, Patrick Henry)

[ohiomosquito]

The selfishness of some is upsetting, but what are you gonna do? I for one will continue to happily pay the portion of my tax bill that contribute to these services, in addition to my charitable giving.

There are so many programs out there that benefit the lazy and bums of America and for those programs we need to be done with and use the money for programs such as this. These kids are so innocent and truly grateful for what we do for them unlike most other programs. Instead of complaining about giving to a program such as this others should complain about the programs such as the one who benefit the lazy bums that just don't want to work.

[Red50Go]

1. Wealthiest? No I'm not.
2. Most charitable? No I'm not.
3. Prick? Yeah, sure am. Glad to have you join me.
4. Provide me with something that confirms those "statistics" you quote.

By the way, I LOVE your posts.

CarlE, seriously I come on this site most days to look for your posts. We're having fun. :drinkem:

If you do a search, there are other links that concur w/ what ohiomosquito & I found. Most articles speak very well of conservatives & evangelicals. Lower income was #1 & wealthy #2. Middle class not as much, and liberals compared poorly. I suppose they tend to have their hands out - not in. Also, southern states outperform northeastern. I think MA was the stingiest state.