One and only Stacy Discussion Thread

[ivan09]

With all the negative stuff about T.S. going around I'd like to let everyone know Coop just got a call from him. Coach said he was sorry for how everything played out and for how Coopers season went last year. He said he wanted to call some returning players to explain before they had to hear it on the street.
This is the second time his class has been obvious to me personally. When cooper broke his leg last year T.S. made many phone calls and visted Coop at home 3 times. This was the day after the Normandy game when I thought he would be in hiding someplace far from Massillon.
Coach had many good things to say about Massillon today on the phone. Not that he would badmouth anybody, but I didnt expect to here so much good from him.

Good luck Coach Stacy.

[TigerCoach]

No doubt about it, Coach Stacy has an enormous amount of class. Class alone doesn't make you a good football coach, however.

[Mass6]

I agree with TC, classy coach. Best of luck to him!!!!!

[Mass311]

I don't think you are going to find many people in Massillon that thinks he doesn't have class. We all know he is a good guy, and he is a good coach in my opinion. It just simply didn't happen here, but I think Green will be perfectly happy with him.

[MTigers006]

Great post brm12! Too bad everyone cant think the same way you do.
You should also send your comment to the inde for publishing.

[CarlE]

Great post brm12! Too bad everyone cant think the same way you do.
You should also send your comment to the inde for publishing.

If he does, I certainly hope he has grammar and spell-check to launch before sending it to the Inde. Unlike some letter that went to Hooters America, Inc. a couple of years ago.

[freddy g]

I know there's a few, but not many people want to see Stacey do bad. Many know he's a classy guy, the first one we had as a coach in awhile. But when your hired to win football games and it doesn't happen. It's time to part ways. Best of luck to him at Green, I'm sure he'll do well.

[MTigers006]

Which do you think is better? Two 4-6 seasons or two 6-4 seasons?

[ChronicTiger]

Which do you think is better? Two 4-6 seasons or two 6-4 seasons?

It depends on how classy the coach was....

:puke:

[freddy g]

You could break it down even more and say that the two 4-6 seasons we went 0-2 against McK. Getting outscored 60-15, compared to the two 6-4 seasons. When we went 2-0 against McK, outscoring them 33-27.

[proud to be]

they both fall below standard....

[MTigers006]

Excellent point Freddy G! Nice work also.

[MTigers006]

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=24746&Category=2

Coach Reed is not mentioned, could he still be a likely canidate for the position?

I would not mind any of the middle four as well as Coach Reed.
Now I would like to hear from the rest of you.

[freddy g]

they both fall below standard....


Yes it is. That's why we're going to have coach #3 in five years.

[Banks]

wow no mention about Avon Lake .

[TigerCoach]

Which do you think is better? Two 4-6 seasons or two 6-4 seasons?

When you compare the talent on the different teams, the 4-6 seasons were MUCH more successful.

[man2man]

Please treat the next coach better than you treated Coach Stacy.

[man2man]

The "insiders" say its already a done deal.

Don't you wish just once one of them would come on and say who the next coach is and how they know that to be true.

BTW, Coach Stacy has been asked to serve as an unofficial "consultant" in regards to his knowledge of potential candidates.

[Obie Wan]

Please treat the next coach better than you treated Coach Stacy.
Treatment is commensurate with performance.

[Obie Wan]

BTW, Coach Stacy has been asked to serve as an unofficial "consultant" in regards to his knowledge of potential candidates.
Again ignoring the dubious accuracy of that assertion, that would be like asking Barry Bonds to help formulate baseball's drug policy.

[monte81]

I don't understand why we have 5 threads talking about 1 coach!!! Can we consolidate them into one big thread???

Good luck Coach Stacy at Green!

Stacy was 13-9 the last 2 years and anyone coaching the Massillon Tigers would get bashed for that when he had 8-10 DI players and better than average talent in that span!!

If the next coach goes 13-9 in 2 years he might be gone quicker that TS!

[SuperBran]

Again ignoring the dubious accuracy of that assertion, that would be like asking Barry Bonds to help formulate baseball's drug policy.

what issue do you have with him working in this capacity? if this is true then he's not picking his replacement but merely providing whatever information he has. the hiring committee can do whatever they want with the information. although stacy was forced out of here i would think he has enough class to be objective.

[Obie Wan]

what issue do you have with him working in this capacity?

He has no demonstrated expertise in the subject.

[SuperBran]

He has no demonstrated expertise in the subject.

but wouldn't be be acting as a consultant based on his knowledge of the potential candidates? if so, how do we know what he does and does not know about certain candidates? i'm sure one question posed to stacy in each instance will be "how do you know xxx?" he may know some guys and he may not.

[CarlE]

The "insiders" say its already a done deal.

Don't you wish just once one of them would come on and say who the next coach is and how they know that to be true.

BTW, Coach Stacy has been asked to serve as an unofficial "consultant" in regards to his knowledge of potential candidates.

By "done deal" they (the insiders) may mean that the choice has been narrowed to a couple and different factions are trying to choose from them. Just a guess.

I guess my next question to you would be he's been asked by WHO to serve as an unofficial "consultant" (whatever the hell that is) in regards to his knowledge. And by the way, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. He's not being asked to script X's and O's just provide knowledge of potential candidates.

There. With all the anticipation I had of this guy outing himself after the announcement, I thought I handled that rather diplomatically, don't you??

[Obie Wan]

but wouldn't be be acting as a consultant based on his knowledge of the potential candidates? if so, how do we know what he does and does not know about certain candidates? i'm sure one question posed to stacy in each instance will be "how do you know xxx?" he may know some guys and he may not.
You're just spoiling for a fight. Go argue with yourself; I have no time for your case-challenged contrariness.

[CarlE]

Treatment is commensurate with performance.

I don't agree. Civilty to someone should have NOTHING to do with performance, Wan. I mean admit it, we take it over the line way too often. And we're starting to get a worse reputation because of it. All I'm saying is that now is a good time to change, and we are at the crossroads of being able to do that.

[Banks]

BTW, Coach Stacy has been asked to serve as an unofficial "consultant" in regards to his knowledge of potential candidates.


The ones that pushed him out are not going to listen to what he thinks about potential candidates.


There is a gag (un) official order on the replacements name .

[SuperBran]

You're just spoiling for a fight. Go argue with yourself; I have no time for your case-challenged contrariness.

why are you acting like such an incredible #@#? you're saying that he has not expertise in the area. i'm simply asking you how you know this. if you have an answer, then share it and stop being so #$##y. no...wait...i'll answer it for you....you don't know. so stop sputtering nonsense. i have no time for foolish speculation. thinking and knowing are two different things.

now go take a dump, consult your 'word of the day' toilet paper, and come up with a witty response with big words that will make people think you're really, really smart.

[Kamd50]

I don't agree. Civilty to someone should have NOTHING to do with performance, Wan. I mean admit it, we take it over the line way too often. And we're starting to get a worse reputation because of it. All I'm saying is that now is a good time to change, and we are at the crossroads of being able to do that.

WoW! All I can say to that is "I commend you for a very good post, carle"!

[SuperBran]

I don't agree. Civilty to someone should have NOTHING to do with performance, Wan. I mean admit it, we take it over the line way too often. And we're starting to get a worse reputation because of it. All I'm saying is that now is a good time to change, and we are at the crossroads of being able to do that.

great post carl. i agree. it's one thing to criticize someone for their performance, but another to cross the line.

[Obie Wan]

I don't agree. Civilty to someone should have NOTHING to do with performance, Wan.
Explanation is not justification. I'm not saying the criticism was acceptable; I'm saying there wouldn't have been so much of it if the team had fared better.

Face it, if we had beaten Whitmer and Normandy, we'd be talking contract renewals rather than coaching candidates.

[Banks]

Explanation is not justification. I'm not saying the criticism was acceptable; I'm saying there wouldn't have been so much of it if the team had fared better.

Face it, if we had beaten Whitmer and Normandy, we'd be talking contract renewals rather than coaching candidates.

I think if we would have beaten Mentor we would be talking about the renewal.


All in all I think we all want what is best for Massillon but we will never all agree on it!
This doesn't make anyone a bad person .



A mate of mine wrote these words 30 years ago:

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
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There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

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Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

[Tiger77]

I don't agree. Civilty to someone should have NOTHING to do with performance, Wan. I mean admit it, we take it over the line way too often. And we're starting to get a worse reputation because of it. All I'm saying is that now is a good time to change, and we are at the crossroads of being able to do that.

Are you feeling ok today CarlE?

[CarlE]

Are you feeling ok today CarlE?

God, who knows. I'm in such euphoria knowing m2m will soon be out of our lives FOREVER that I may be delusional.

Seriously, I just think with everything going on that we are at a crossroads with this program that can go either way. I just want everyone to take a good, hard look at themselves before the new coach comes in. I'm telling you, the reputation is getting uglier every day out there about us. It's time to fix it.

Well, except to Canton. I could care less what those trailer-dwelling crackheads think about us.

[CATS44]

IF there is a choice already in place, then whoever is calling the shots has yet again done a major disservice to the football program.

Look at it this way...

If the person who makes the final decision is so sure that he has the right guy, why would he be hesitant to put his guy up against any other candidates who apply?

The only logical answer to that question is that the chosen one might not be able to stand up to the competition, based upon sound football reasoning.

[SuperBran]

IF there is a choice already in place, then whoever is calling the shots has yet again done a major disservice to the football program.

exactly. i've been hearing so many "done deals," though, that i doubt someone has actually been selected.

if someone has been hired, the only hope that i have is that he hasn't been put up against other candidates b/c it's the announcement is going to be a pleasant surprise (and a choice that is a no-brainer). i'm not real confident in that being the case, though.

[Banks]

All I am going to say is,
Like father, like son .

[Kamd50]

I think if we would have beaten Mentor we would be talking about the renewal.


All in all I think we all want what is best for Massillon but we will never all agree on it!
This doesn't make anyone a bad person .



A mate of mine wrote these words 30 years ago:

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
**
**
**
**
**
**
**
**
There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

**
**
**
**


Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Banks, a "mate" of yours? As in Roger Daltry and Pete Townshend?:rockon:

[CarlE]

All I am going to say is,
Like father, like son .

Low blow, and quite classless. THAT crap needs to stop.

[Tiger77]

We are definitely at a crossroads. Let's just hope the right decisions are made in the near future.

I thank Coach Stacy for taking the high road in all of his interviews to this point. Without knowing exactly what when on behind the scenes, I'm sure he could have denigrated our program if he wanted to. He certainly had opportunities and was goaded by the press. I hope our next coach shows that kind of class.

[Seeker]

Banks, a "mate" of yours? As in Roger Daltry and Pete Townshend?:rockon:

Didn't you know that THE Peter Banks lives in Massillon and walks among us?

:rockin:

[Seeker]

Well, except to Canton. I could care less what those trailer-dwelling crackheads think about us.

That's Minerva and Magnolia...in Canton its tenements.


:doh:

[man2man]

than Coach Stacy, he will have to :

1. Average 9 wins a season (Stacy had 26 in 3 seasons)
2. Never have a losing season (Stacy was 3 for 3 in winning seasons).
3. Never lose to McKinley (Stacy lost just 1 in 4 games)
4. Get to the state title game and win it.

Just some facts to consider as you seek a "replacement".

[OTC TIGER]

How bout a this thread...will the kids have school Thursday...

or how bout this one...When will Stacy move to Green

:stars: :wtf:

[man2man]

now go take a dump, consult your 'word of the day' toilet paper, and come up with a witty response with big words that will make people think you're really, really smart.

:2thumbsup: Trying to portray a big vocabulary to cover a lack of intelligence fools no one.

Why the need to hate on Stacy at this point Oil Wan? And his expertise about what it's like to coach in Massillon would be excellent one would presume.

[man2man]

I don't agree. Civilty to someone should have NOTHING to do with performance, Wan. I mean admit it, we take it over the line way too often. And we're starting to get a worse reputation because of it. All I'm saying is that now is a good time to change, and we are at the crossroads of being able to do that.

:no1: Carl E is right - again! Whether or not you all have respect for Coach Stacy, trust me when I tell you that many of his coaching peers do. And believe me when I tell you, that many of them think that there's a problem with a community and fan base that has a problem with Tom after what he's accomplished here and knowing him as a person.

[man2man]

That's a summary of what Tom's teams accomplished during his tenure as coach. The next coach has some big shoes to ffill.

[SuperBran]

And his expertise about what it's like to coach in Massillon would be excellent one would presume.

i would have no problem with stacy sharing any information that he might have on potential candidates. he's shown a lot of class and there's no reason to think that he would try to screw with us (and if anyone thinks otherwise please provide your reasoning). the fact that he would agree to do this after all this craziness shows that he does care about the program. plus, he's not making the selection but rather providing any information that he might have.

[jayjay65]

Coming back for some comic relief I suppose but I keep reading about the back door deals and that a coach has already been selected from several people with 'inside sources' whoo-hoo congratulations for those! So far, to the best of my knowledge, the guys with the inside track, done deal, stone cold lock, write it down, "I told you so!" include:

- Farrah
- Hall
- Rotsky (this one was on Yappi)

and Banks keeps throwing out the guy at Avon Lake as if he has his own inside sources on the matter. How many freakin' inside sources and 'stone cold locks' can there be??! If it was a 'done deal' as many of you allege, wouldn't there only be one named mentioned? Also, it's curious that those posters who most strongly allege this is a done deal curiously do not mention the name of the coach that allegedly has already been selected? Speak up or shut up fellas. Why the hesitation if you are so 'in the know'?

Also, why is it assumed that the best coaches would apply to a posted opening? As public as that is, wouldn't that be a high risk move for some of the higher profile coaches, especially if they are NOT selected? I'm just thinking of this from a business perspective. Would I want my boss to know that I've applied for a new job while gainfully employed (and supposedly happy)? I'd be putting a lot of my eggs in one basket if I did that and did not get the job. Is my thinking wrong here? I guess what I'm saying is that in a perfect world you would WANT the best applicants to apply for a job but it may be a bit naive to assume that they would when the application process is so public. I'm not saying that the job shouldn't be posted, I just think that the best candidates may not want to throw their hat in the ring under those circumstances.

[CATS44]

26-11...70%

1-5 (16%) in the last six games vs opponents with winning records.

General lack of team and individual discipline on and off the field.

Bettering those might not be as difficult as you think.

[Tiger77]

i would have no problem with stacy sharing any information that he might have on potential candidates. he's shown a lot of class and there's no reason to think that he would try to screw with us (and if anyone thinks otherwise please provide your reasoning). the fact that he would agree to do this after all this craziness shows that he does care about the program. plus, he's not making the selection but rather providing any information that he might have.

Contrary to what people think, Coach Stacy loved Massillon. He would never screw with our program. He only wants it to be strong and excel.

[SuperBran]

Coming back for some comic relief I suppose but I keep reading about the back door deals and that a coach has already been selected from several people with 'inside sources' whoo-hoo congratulations for those! So far, to the best of my knowledge, the guys with the inside track, done deal, stone cold lock, write it down, "I told you so!" include:

- Farrah
- Hall
- Rotsky (this one was on Yappi)

and Banks keeps throwing out the guy at Avon Lake as if he has his own inside sources on the matter. How many freakin' inside sources and 'stone cold locks' can there be??!

perhaps we're going to get all three. that would be a good start to a staff. LOL.

i think this situation is similar to the terrelle pryor situation......everyone thinks he's a lock to their school, but no one really knows.

[CATS44]

Its a public job. Coaches know it when they get into coaching. They know that jobs have to be posted and applicants are public knowledge.

IMO a coach that wishes to circumvent rules that he knew were in place when he chose his career shouldnt be the coach in Massillon.

Everybody that wishes should throw his hat into the ring, and may the best man win.

Its a tough job, and will take a tough man to do it well.

"Give me the job, but dont make me compete" does not fit the description of what we NEED. If a coach cant handle the heat of the application and interview process, how in Paul Browns name will he be able to handle what he is gonna face once he is the coach of the Massillon Tigers?

Can you imagine Bob Commings wanting to slide into anything thru the back door?

He wasnt the fav to get this job. He wasnt even one of the top two. But he kicked the door in when he applied and interviewed.

And THAT is what this program needs.

[jayjay65]

perhaps we're going to get all three. that would be a good start to a staff. LOL.

i think this situation is similar to the terrelle pryor situation......everyone thinks he's a lock to their school, but no one really knows.

No one except Banks but he can't say...:laugh:

[CarlE]

26-11...70%

1-5 (16%) in the last six games vs opponents with winning records.

General lack of team and individual discipline on and off the field.

Bettering those might not be as difficult as you think.

Um, man2man any response to this? No? I didn't think so.

[SuperBran]

.....the deceased who has done more for Massillon and the program than any 50 people on this site put together......

that's an understatement. i'm very grateful to him for his generosity. when i was a senior in high school i was awarded the david family foundation scholarship. i thought it was only a one time thing but every semester i received money. not only that, but they RAISED the scholarship every year while i was in school......and it was a very generous raise. i'll NEVER forget that.

[Obie Wan]

I'm sorry but referencing the deceased who has done more for Massillon and the program than any 50 people on this site put together just seems, no IS classless and has no place on a public web-site. And then to throw Jeff into the mix is just, well classless. But I guess I've been referring to those types of fans all afternoon, haven't I?
No, there's nothing classless about it. If (and notice the if) Paul David's preference overrode the selection committee's recomendation, then we're in the realm of historical fact. His philanthropy in other areas is not really relevent in this context.

More to the point, if (and again, notice the if) Jeff David is using his donations as an entree into the selection process, then we really need to stop and take a look at where we stand. If we are allowing money to dictate to our program at the expense of our integrity and self-interest, then we are in sad shape indeed. Put bluntly, we would be prostituting out our program to the highest bidder. If we have stooped to that level, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference who we hire.

[Red50Go]

My family is very close to the Davids. All our lives, from Paul's childhood on. The notion that he &/or Jeff are involved to the extent some here are rumoring is completely FALSE. But I guess when you have done so much for so many its bound to make you an easy target. Sigh. Still despicable.

[jayjay65]

IF Obie-Wan KNEW what he as talking about, he wouldn't need the IF...speculation is speculation, innuendo is innuendo. Treating it as anything more is stirring a pot that doesn't need to be stirred and creating friction that doesn't need to be created. THAT is what needs to change in Massillon my friends. Maybe that's a 'tradition' that can be left behind?

[Red50Go]

No, there's nothing classless about it. If (and notice the if) Paul David's preference overrode the selection committee's recomendation, then we're in the realm of historical fact. His philanthropy in other areas is not really relevent in this context.

More to the point, if (and again, notice the if) Jeff David is using his donations as an entree into the selection process, then we really need to stop and take a look at where we stand. If we are allowing money to dictate to our program at the expense of our integrity and self-interest, then we are in sad shape indeed. Put bluntly, we would be prostituting out our program to the highest bidder. If we have stooped to that level, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference who we hire.

We do have influential boosters & others, that buy into the program, or have power to exert influence, and who ARE cancers. From the Currence fiasco on down the line. But you are dead wrong about including this family in any way shape or form to that. Not that I would air ANY of their names on this forum regardless.

[CarlE]

No, there's nothing classless about it. If (and notice the if) Paul David's preference overrode the selection committee's recomendation, then we're in the realm of historical fact. His philanthropy in other areas is not really relevent in this context.

More to the point, if (and again, notice the if) Jeff David is using his donations as an entree into the selection process, then we really need to stop and take a look at where we stand. If we are allowing money to dictate to our program at the expense of our integrity and self-interest, then we are in sad shape indeed. Put bluntly, we would be prostituting out our program to the highest bidder. If we have stooped to that level, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference who we hire.

Wan, I would have thought you learned by now that not only does the flowery vocabulary not intimidate me, it actually pisses me off because you use it to try and divert people from the lack of actual substance to your post. Realm of historical fact or NOT, referencing someone deceased, regardless of philanthropic (like that one) efforts is classless. If you don't see it that way, well it answers other questions I've had.

And for the record, to what extent money IS dictating to our program I would say it's not coming from only one person. Oh, and if you think this is the only place it happens, I would ask you venture out of Stark County every once in awhile and view what we call the real world.

[jayjay65]

Its a public job. Coaches know it when they get into coaching. They know that jobs have to be posted and applicants are public knowledge.

IMO a coach that wishes to circumvent rules that he knew were in place when he chose his career shouldnt be the coach in Massillon.

Everybody that wishes should throw his hat into the ring, and may the best man win.

Its a tough job, and will take a tough man to do it well.

"Give me the job, but dont make me compete" does not fit the description of what we NEED. If a coach cant handle the heat of the application and interview process, how in Paul Browns name will he be able to handle what he is gonna face once he is the coach of the Massillon Tigers?

Can you imagine Bob Commings wanting to slide into anything thru the back door?

He wasnt the fav to get this job. He wasnt even one of the top two. But he kicked the door in when he applied and interviewed.

And THAT is what this program needs.

I'm not going to get into a lengthy argument with you on this. We can just agree to disagree on this point. You are referencing an event from nearly 40 years ago and I think many things about coaching, hiring processes, career management and the ease with which information is accessible are very different now.

[jayjay65]

Oh, and if you think this is the only place it happens, I would ask you venture out of Stark County every once in awhile and view what we call the real world.


Now THAT's funny!

[Obie Wan]

Realm of historical fact or NOT, referencing someone deceased, regardless of philanthropic (like that one) efforts is classless. If you don't see it that way, well it answers other questions I've had.
Right. So let's not ever talk about Paul Brown or George Washington. Because they're dead too, ya know.

[CATS44]

Im not referencing anything historical, except to opine that it takes a tough man, like Commings, to handle this job.

Its not historical that teaching positions and supplemental positions fall under freedom of information laws. Its not historical that coaches know that when they get into coaching. Its not historical that the next coach of the Tigers will have to handle difficult and pressure packed situations.

Its also not historical that coaches across Ohio know that the last choice was politically motivated and a done deal before the process even began. It left a bad taste in a lot of coaches mouths.

If you want the best possible coach, you must open up the process to attract the best possible field to pick from....and you have to assure coaches that the process IS open. Upwardly mobile coaches will apply if they know they start out with a reasonable chance to make their cases. They will not open their selves to public scrutiny if they think that the process leaves them with no chance at the position.

[CarlE]

Right. So let's not ever talk about Paul Brown or George Washington. Because they're dead too, ya know.

Nice analogy; well, except for the fact that I doubt you would be talking abou them in a derogatory manner, especially in this close proximity to events. But thanks for playing anyway. God, just give it up. Your disdain for anything, and anyone successful is quite obvious but I would think you would at least leave that out of the equation for this subject matter. Guess I was wrong.

[jayjay65]

Im not referencing anything historical, except to opine that it takes a tough man, like Commings, to handle this job.

Its not historical that teaching positions and supplemental positions fall under freedom of information laws. Its not historical that coaches know that when they get into coaching. Its not historical that the next coach of the Tigers will have to handle difficult and pressure packed situations.

Its also not historical that coaches across Ohio know that the last choice was politically motivated and a done deal before the process even began. It left a bad taste in a lot of coaches mouths.

If you want the best possible coach, you must open up the process to attract the best possible field to pick from....and you have to assure coaches that the process IS open. Upwardly mobile coaches will apply if they know they start out with a reasonable chance to make their cases. They will not open their selves to public scrutiny if they think that the process leaves them with no chance at the position.

Good points Cats44, well said. I'm just suggesting that to assume that the best coaches will apply may be too optimistic and leave out very good coaches that would be good for the program but for whatever reason, did not apply to the public posting. I think a blending of the two approaches would result in the best pool of candidates from which to choose. Not to get too political on you but an analogy might be our own Presidential elections. With a country of 300 million people, we are left with choosing among the candidates that 'applied' for the job. I don't know about you but I'm not always sold on the assumption that the few that are left standing are the BEST candidates for the job....but that's just me.

[monte81]

[QUOTE=man2man;95789]than Coach Stacy, he will have to :

1. Average 9 wins a season (Stacy had 26 in 3 seasons)
2. Never have a losing season (Stacy was 3 for 3 in winning seasons).
3. Never lose to McKinley (Stacy lost just 1 in 4 games)
4. Get to the state title game and win it.



I have said I respect Coach Stacy but he was 13-9 the last 2 seasons after the OC left the team. he thought he could be the HC and call the plays and it did not work out! Have the games won were in the first season and we averaged 13 points a game this season and not much better the year before with above average talent(8 DI players)!!!!
Talent ws not the issue---work ethic, discipline, and personell decisions was the problem and ultimetely that is on the HC!

We need a coach that is more about results than media talk and public relations!!!!!

[Banks]

he thought he could be the HC and call the plays and it did not work out! Have the games won were in the first season and we averaged 13 points a game this season and not much better the year before with above average talent(8 DI players)!!!!
Talent ws not the issue---work ethic, discipline, and personell decisions was the problem and ultimetely that is on the HC!


Monte

Believe me when I tell you TS never wanted to be the OC he had a guy lined up 2 straight years for the job but the BOE dragged their feet and we lost him. The OC was a special ed teacher and as you know we had an opening but gee a friend of a friends family member got the just straight out of college.

[Banks]

Didn't you know that THE Peter Banks lives in Massillon and walks among us?

:rockin:

Not sure how to respond to you on, this for fear you may want my head on the same silver platter you wanted to use for Tom Stacy head during the season.

Have I never said I was The Peter Banks of YES ?
NO it is a handle much like Seeker or LEE or LL Rose etc.

But for what is it worth I do infact know Townshend as I am sure many others do too.

[monte81]

Monte

Believe me when I tell you TS never wanted to be the OC he had a guy lined up 2 straight years for the job but the BOE dragged their feet and we lost him. The OC was a special ed teacher and as you know we had an opening but gee a friend of a friends family member got the just straight out of college.

We never should of let Coach Huffman go! Real insiders know that Huff and Stacy had personell and creative differances!! Sometimes a HC has to listen to a OC or coach that knows the players better than he could ever know them!!! What did little Stacy do in the booth? The kid may be a up and coming asst. coach but never should of had anything to do with surveying the game from the booth. When i played the OC and DC were in the booth or his next best coach---I know young Stacy could not have been close to the #2 man NOWHERE!

[TigerDL71]

Is anybody else wondering why it had to come down to Stacy making phone calls instead of talking to people face to face about his move to Green? IMO I feel that he should have at least addressed the team when it was made public that he was one of the finalist for the job. Yes I understand it is a personal decision and I can understand where you might want to keep that to yourself but as a player you would think some would feel cheated and almost stabbed in the back.

[Seeker]

Not sure how to respond to you on, this for fear you may want my head on the same silver platter you wanted to use for Tom Stacy head during the season.

Have I never said I was The Peter Banks of YES ?
NO it is a handle much like Seeker or LEE or LL Rose etc.

But for what is it worth I do infact know Townshend as I am sure many others do too.

Holy Mackeral Banks, I was just kidding!
(Are you having a bad day?)

And for the record:
First, I have never, and never intend to use my mod priveleges to take out anythng on a member here.
Secondly, the comment I made that you referenced above was made in private (or so I thought) to a group of people that I thought I could trust. It was made a few minutes after the Normandy game, and in fact had more to do with other matters off the field than it did to what happened on the field that night.
I later retracted the comment, and apologized for making it.

For the record:
I do not think that our Banks is THE Peter Banks.
I do however hope that he only knows Townsend, and is not a friend of his.

:coolgleam:

[MTigers006]

We do have influential boosters & others, that buy into the program, or have power to exert influence, and who ARE cancers. From the Currence fiasco on down the line.


BINGO! We have a winner.
You hit the nail exactly on the head!
Untill this problem is fixed we can never fulfill our potential and return to past glory.

[CarlE]

Not sure how to respond to you on, this for fear you may want my head on the same silver platter you wanted to use for Tom Stacy head during the season.

Have I never said I was The Peter Banks of YES ?
NO it is a handle much like Seeker or LEE or LL Rose etc.

But for what is it worth I do infact know Townshend as I am sure many others do too.

Bro, LIGHTEN UP!!! I am 100% sure he was just teasing. Go get a beer and relax!!!

[massillon catholic]

And for the record:
First, I have never, and never intend to use my mod priveleges to take out anythng on a member here.
:


Whoa! I beg to differ!

[ChronicTiger]

That's a summary of what Tom's teams accomplished during his tenure as coach. The next coach has some big shoes to ffill.

:scratchchin:

[TigerSupport]

Is anybody else wondering why it had to come down to Stacy making phone calls instead of talking to people face to face about his move to Green? IMO I feel that he should have at least addressed the team when it was made public that he was one of the finalist for the job. Yes I understand it is a personal decision and I can understand where you might want to keep that to yourself but as a player you would think some would feel cheated and almost stabbed in the back.

He was going to but in his interview he stated that because of the snow days he never got a chance, thus the reason for making personal phone calls.

[TigerSupport]

26-11...70%

1-5 (16%) in the last six games vs opponents with winning records.

General lack of team and individual discipline on and off the field.

Bettering those might not be as difficult as you think.

I disagree 110%.

GENERAL lack of team and individual discipline? I think there are about 90 kids who you owe an apology to, because you just made a blanket statement that only pertains to a few individuals from last year's team. That's like saying that Massillon fans are all ignorant and clueless because one guy decided to run out on the field during a game and yell at an official.:cool:

[CATS44]

There are shoes, and there are big shoes.

The coach at Massillon knows that he is going to be held to high standards. He wont be measured by other coaches in Ohio, but will be rated by Massillons unique bell curve.

The bell curve for the first three years of Massillon coaches since WWII:

Strang...26-1-1 (.963)...3-0 vs McK.
Mather..28-2 (.933)....3-0 vs McK.
Currence...25-1-1 (.862)...3-0 vs McK.
Commings...25-5 (.833)...2-1 vs McK.
Owens...25-10 (.714)...2-1 vs McK.
Stacy...26-11 (.703)...3-1 vs McK.
Shepas...22-10 (.688)...2-1 vs McK.
Rose...25-9 (.735)...1-2 vs McK.
Seaman...20-9-1 (.690)...1-2 vs McK.
Maronto...20-10 (.667)...0-3 vs McK.

I gave added weight to a losing McK record, and you could also give weight to those who came into a rebuild situation, like Shepas and Currence, but thats a little too subjective, except to say that Stacy definitely came in with the cupboards bursting at the seams.

This also doesnt include the two year coaches, but their records should be listed to compare:

Bruce 20-0 (1.000)...2-0.
Harp 17-2-1 (.895)...1-1
Tressel 16-3 (.842)...1-1
Shuff 12-7-1 (.632)...1-1

[Banks]

Shouldn't it be
Stacy...26-11 (.703)...3-1 vs McK.

[CATS44]

TS: I guess it depends on your definition of handful.

By mine, I will stand by my statement.

[CATS44]

banks: Yes it should be, and now it is.

[Seeker]

Whoa! I beg to differ!

OK, ONCE
But, really, it was supposed to be a joke!
Sorry you took it so seriously.

:jestera:

[man2man]

Great stats Louie.

The point everyone is avoiding - if the next coach doesn't get more than 26 wins his first 3 years, or beats McK 3 times, or wins a state title - we didin't improve any - or maybe went backwards.

[Obie Wan]

We do have influential boosters & others, that buy into the program, or have power to exert influence, and who ARE cancers. From the Currence fiasco on down the line.


BINGO! We have a winner.
You hit the nail exactly on the head!
Untill this problem is fixed we can never fulfill our potential and return to past glory.
"We"?

[TigerSupport]

No there will be an excuse M2M...there's always an excuse...

[TigerDL71]

He was going to but in his interview he stated that because of the snow days he never got a chance, thus the reason for making personal phone calls.

When it first came out that he was one of the finalist for the job i feel that he should have addressed the team then. I don't think he should have waited to address the team until he was named the head coach at Green.

[CarlE]

After being named the head coach at Green, I'm wondering why the team let him address them at all, to be quite honest.

[TigerDL71]

After being named the head coach at Green, I'm wondering why the team let him address them at all, to be quite honest.

I agree with that. I just feel that as a player if I am reading that my coach has applied for a job and is the finalist I would wonder what is going on then I wonder why is he jumping ship and turning his back on the team. He should have at least had the khonas to address the team when it first came out in the repository that he was a finalist for the job and tell them what was going on. He should have never had to make those phone calls on Tuesday.

[DAWGH8R]

Tom's team's productivity went down every year he stayed. The team he inherited did the best of them all. ( State runner-up).

The more time these kids spent under the Stacy 'regime' , the worse the entire program got.

Wouldn't you think a team would get better as they spent more time in the coach's program ??

If the team continued to be in a downward spiral, where would they have been after the '08 season ??

Don't put too much stock in the McKinley record. They were way less than steller the last 2 years !!

[DAWGH8R]

Great stats Louie.

The point everyone is avoiding - if the next coach doesn't get more than 26 wins his first 3 years, or beats McK 3 times, or wins a state title - we didin't improve any - or maybe went backwards.

If we go 7 - 3 next year, and the kids respect the GAME and the Coach, and play like TIGERS, the program will have improved drastically !!!

[obiefan]

I have combined all the stacy threads of late and put it in one...

[reofan82]

The players read newspapers, this website, listen to parents and adults,etc., so I doubt it was much of a surprise that Coach Stacy was leaving. Rumors have been rampant for months. I think it was appropriate for him to call the players, meeting with them would have been fine too, but either way it was evidence that he cares about the kids and community.

I doubt if a person has been selected to be the next coach, but I also doubt that the powers that be have not had discussions or that potential candidates have not been approached, at least informally. This has been past practice and I have no reason to think it won't happen now.

I think most coaches mentioned on this website will probably end up applying for the job. I anticipate a quality list of applicants. I am struck by the list of candidates for the Mckinley job. I felt that they had a lack of strong candidates. I wonder if the heavy hitters were waiting to see if our job came open?

[CarlE]

I agree with that. I just feel that as a player if I am reading that my coach has applied for a job and is the finalist I would wonder what is going on then I wonder why is he jumping ship and turning his back on the team. He should have at least had the khonas to address the team when it first came out in the repository that he was a finalist for the job and tell them what was going on. He should have never had to make those phone calls on Tuesday.

I can't agree with the statement "jumping ship and turning his back on the team". Contrary to what Coach Stacy's close "friend" will tell you, I don't think it was a matter of "jumping ship" at all. Perhaps the decision was made by others. Just a thought.

[massmom2009]

It would have been nice if Coach Stacy phoned "ALL" of the "KEY" returning players. I have nothing but respect for Coach Stacy but if he was making calls then he should have called all or none and just had a meeting with the players. Just my opinion.

[tigerpride]

You know after sitting back and reading all the many posts about the team, the coach, the booster club and (so called) influential people who try to help the program, with just about ever area attacked in one way or the other I as a over 50 year supporter of the program am beginning to think that we get what we deserve.

Everything is wrong with the program and nothing IS EVER RIGHT! I don't look for things to change NO MATTER who comes in here if this continues.

You know one of the things that Coach Shepas used to talk about was the cancer involved in the program and it doesn't all start at the top. WAKE UP EVERYONE IT STARTS WITH YOU!

Maybe you should quit constantly seeing the negative and start looking for or being part of the positive. Constant grumbling doesn't foster any change.
:tig:

[Red50Go]

It would have been nice if Coach Stacy phoned "ALL" of the "KEY" returning players. I have nothing but respect for Coach Stacy but if he was making calls then he should have called all or none and just had a meeting with the players. Just my opinion.

That is a very strong point. Teamwork & unity. Something we need to get back to.

[TigerVic]

I don't know where else to post this, but because this is the "one and only" Stacy thread now, I suppose this is the place.

A few posters have been calling Tiger fans who thought Stacy should not continue as Tiger coach "haters". I don't know about the others, but I do not hate Stacy personally, nor would I ever dare to intrude on his (or any other coach's) privacy at home. However, I feel that we actually should be termed as "lovers" in the sense that we love the Tiger program and tradition and feel that Stacy was not doing what was needed in the position of head coach to uphold those things- both on and off the field.

In particular, off the field, for whatever reason (politics, not wanting to get players to face the music, who knows?), he did not appropriately discipline players who needed discipline. If appropriate discipline is not acted upon, team (and town) unity suffers and appropriate lessons are not learned. The lack of team unity was apparent just watching the sideline and after-the-game antics of players in '06 and '07. Stacy did not do his job on that and the head coach must be held accountable for these non-actions by him. He did not do his job and, for that reason alone, does not deserve to be head coach anymore.

On the field. He did not put the players he was to work with in the best position to win games. Constantly he put pressure on the weakest part of the team- the offensive line- by calling plays - with the ball going mostly to the same player- that that part of the team could not support. He did not take advantage of putting the best talent available on the field or in calling plays that were not obvious to the opposition, which was putting most of their defenses up to the line because they knew what was coming. There was no deception, no imagination , and alot of talent was left either sitting on the sidelines or left unused (or in not the best positions or as decoys) on the field while he ran the same old same old. I will only speak offensively because Stacy is an offensive-oriented (e.g., QB) coach in his background, and thus that should be his strength. For inadequately preparing for opponents and not putting his team in the best possible postion to win, given the talent and lack thereof that he had to work with, he does not deserve to be head coach of the Tigers.

Although buildings are going up to make it appear, on the surface, that the Tiger program is on the up-and-up, the real issues are with PEOPLE and FOOTBALL, and THAT is the job of the head coach. I do not feel Tom Stacy did that job.

It's not a matter of "hate", it's a matter of love for the program and wanting to see the best man available leading it. We need a FOOTBALL COACH, not a politician.

I wish Coach Stacy all the best in Green and I'm sorry that the promise shown in '05 did not continue to flourish the last two years.

Good luck Coach Stacy!