Could it be possible?

[Benchboss1]

That we could hire our coach before McKinley does? Thoughts?













/

[ChronicTiger]

who cares......

:suspect:

[Coke Guy]

Have both jobs ever been open at the same time before?

[Banks]

Have both jobs ever been open at the same time before?

Sure they have.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

That we could hire our coach before McKinley does? Thoughts?

/


I dunno---we just hired a super a week or two after the one we have gave notice.
Maybe its a new pattern.

However, according to the bylaws of our Board of Education, they can only hire for a professional position if the super recommends an individual.

We may have to wait until the new super is in place to make the desired recommendation.

:kungfu:

[CATS44]

Now that the formailities are over, I have one request of the BOE.

Its a simple request, and IMO a reasonable and fair request.

Please choose a group of football people to run the search and interview process...and allow them to make a choice based upon football only reasons.

Begin with John Muhlbach.

[Banks]

Now that the formailities are over, I have one request of the BOE.

Its a simple request, and IMO a reasonable and fair request.

Please choose a group of football people to run the search and interview process...and allow them to make a choice based upon football only reasons.

Begin with John Muhlbach.


Sad but it seem that .... ....... has too much say in this matter.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Please choose a group of football people to run the search and interview process...and allow them to make a choice based upon football only reasons.



Hey Cats44!

You forgot the part about them hiring the one that the group choses.

Small detail maybe, but important, I think.

:poke:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Sad but it seem that .... ....... has too much say in this matter.

Who the heck is he?
Is he a booster club officer?

I tried to check their website, but it seems to have chosen to puke.

:dance:

[CATS44]

Banks: That would be more than sad.

It could mean the return of Maronto.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

So is dis ....... guy still alive?

Or are ya'all jus funnin' wit us?

:no3:

[Banks]

So is dis ....... guy still alive?


:no3:


He is very much alive and VERY ACTIVE with the inside works of the booster club.

I believe he was once a president of the club
He did ruin a local bank, years back.
How often has you heard of a bank GO UNDER ?
The mayor's office is upstairs of that old bank.
1st savings I believe.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

He is very much alive and VERY ACTIVE with the inside works of the booster club.


I thought the only INSIDE WORKS was the executive committee.

Iffin he ain on dat, he aint sposed to be better or more important than any other $5 member.

Or is dey sum other ting day got goin we ain kin to???????

Dis is startin' to piss me off.

:furious:

[Obie Wan]

That we could hire our coach before McKinley does? Thoughts?
I don't know when the coach will be hired, but there is (sad to say) a decent chance that we will chose a coach before McKinley does.

Hell, he may be chosen before the job is even posted.

[DaveDawg]

I'm here with a question (not to stir the pot).

Massillon is losing a coach that beat us (McK) three straight times to Green.

How does this sit with you fans here?

Lost him not to a college, but to a school within the same region in Summit county no less?

Wow.
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There are many head scratching moments in the history of McKinley and Massillon football, and this one sits right near the top that has more of a history to follow to be sure.

[DaveDawg]

I don't know when the coach will be hired, but there is (sad to say) a decent chance that we will chose a coach before McKinley does.

Hell, he may be chosen before the job is even posted.

McKinley's coach will be announced at or just before the BOE meeting on Monday Feb. 25th, 9 business days if you are counting.

[TigerVic]

I'm here with a question (not to stir the pot).

Massillon is losing a coach that beat us (McK) three straight times to Green.

How does this sit with you fans here?

Lost him not to a college, but to a school within the same region in Summit county no less?

Wow.
-----------------------------------------------------

There are many head scratching moments in the history of McKinley and Massillon football, and this one sits right near the top that has more of a history to follow to be sure.

He didn't win any of those games. His assistants and great talent ('05 playoff), muzzled (by him) great talent and stiff wind and stiff McK QB ('06), and muzzled (by him) great talent and poor McK team and and luck ('07) won those games.

I wish him luck at Green, but his blatant mis-use of talent here (and other off-the-field stuff) ruined many dreams of glory in '06 and '07. I could have sworn we were trying to lose many of those games in those seasons.

[MTigers006]

Oh so now people arent going to give him any credit at all? I just really hope the people who wanted him gone are freaking happy now. You guys just ran out of town a great coach and our best chance at a state title. You guys have VERY short memories. I been a fan all my life and I love the Tigers, but some of you so called fans are an embarassment to not only the program ,but the city. I hope good things befall the Tigers. But it wont happen untill people are given the control they deserve to get the job done. The need to get the control out of some of the people in the stands and from a certain group associated with the Tiger program who has no business running the coaches job.You jokers need to go away from the program and never come back. As for the Board of Education I would like to remind you that you are elected officals of the public and your job is a direct result of the public. I hope some people when they take to the polls in the future remember this. I hope these people get what they deserve and are voted out and on the outside looking in where they belong and no way associated with the Tiger Program EVER again. As for the other organization you know who you are and what you was founded for. One of those is not to dictate who the coach is, how long he is here, who gets hired, if his contract is extended etc. You are over stepping your bounds and are doing more harm than help to the program.
This is once again a sad day in Massillon that a coach, a great one at that and positive influence is leaving because he feels after personal attacks and calls made to his house by individuals that his family and marriage is in trouble and he is no longer welcome here. Coach Paul Brown is probabily spinning in his grave.
To all the true Tiger fans who truely supported our team, coach,and community during the Stacy era and the many coaches before him who was ran out of here I tip my hat to you and thankyou for your true support of the Massillon Tigers.
Go Tigers!

[Red50Go]

MTigers006, wow. Wow. When Stacy said he wanted to leave after 3 years I believed him. After 3 years he said that had not changed and I believed him. You obviously love Massillon, and I know that will fall on deaf ears but maybe, just maybe, you feel a little bit different about coaching the Tigers than he did. Be happy for him. It was no small miracle he even got this job, his biggest ever, and now has (probably for him) a better gig in a great district. Dont be so sad fella. Yer making me feel like we broke his heart but he & his family are probably doing cartwheels.

Congratulations Tom! I also tip my hat to the Booster club, BOE, and Adm, for handling the situation w/ much more class than we became accustomed to prior.

[batiiger]

Tigervic,
I hope you are going to buy up all the "extra" season tickets that will be available. You are more than welcome to mine!!
I hope enough people will stand up and refuse to follow these lame brains that are in charge.
I am a Tiger and you will never be able to take that out of my blood, but these "leaders" have forced me to be a "bulldog" fan? (as in Green Bulldogs). I am embarrassed to say I am a tiger right now.
Hope all of you bashers are happy!!

[TigerVic]

I do give Stacy credit for changing, for one year, the mood of Tiger football from where it was in '04 leading to '05. However his subsequent actions and non-actions on and off the field have soured that mood significantly.

With respect to football, we had great expectations with the returning talent coming in '06 and '07. But without Huffman calling the offensive plays (with offense supposedly being Stacy's strength), we were treated to the talent on the team consistently being misused.

I won't even go into the lack of discipline on the team. Even without the (3 play) play-pamphlet, that alone put his job in jeopardy here.

I do wish him luck and I think he will be in a better position to win at Green with the less pressure, etc. It will be interesting to see if he becomes like Maronto and stops totally relying on up the middle (stubbornly shoved at the Tigers even though the off. line was the weakness) and uses his talent to the fullest. It also will be interesting if he makes a "3 year" statement like he did here, a statement which self-imposed an additional lame-duck status on him here.

Good luck Coach Stacy and family! I hope your dreams come true!

[section3]

its to bad some people want to run the B.O.E. out of town over the coach not staying here, and didn't think twice about electing the same people with our poor test scores and all the other things that are happening within the school system.

[slider63]

I was proud to have coach Stacy as our coach and he was a quality person who helped us get to the state championship and he also helped improve the grade point averages. These are the things I will remember about coach Stacy. Slider, out!!!

[Tiger77]

its to bad some people want to run the B.O.E. out of town over the coach not staying here, and didn't think twice about electing the same people with our poor test scores and all the other things that are happening within the school system.

Don't want to run them out of town, just don't want them to cater to special interest group who already has a coach in their back pocket. Hopefully they will post the job, form a search committee with the best interests of the team and school in mind. Not the best interests of certain people who shouldn't be involved with the process. Do the right thing BOE and don't be talked into something that is not right for everyone involved. Also- this is just my own personal gripe- why do the BOE members get to be on the sidelines during football games? I've seen former players who are trying to inspire the team get removed from the sidelines but certain BOE members are down there. Why? They're not inspiring anybody and in my opinion need to be in there seats with everybody else. I believe the biggest offender has already been voted out so that's a start.

Good luck to Coach Stacy. You got a raw deal but you must be greatly relieved not to have to deal with this crap anymore.

[hexumjunkie]

Jack coming back?

[reofan82]

Coach Stacy is better off at Green for many reasons. All in all, he was not a good fit for Massillon. I understand the pressure he and his family were under here, but they were here before and had to know that coaching here isn't a picnic.

We should view this as a fresh start and apply the lessons we have learned over the past few years:

1) People in the community are going to need to demand accountability from the board during the process. Good lord, they pick a Supt. based on what they think is best, no hiring process, nothing. Most people did not utter a word or question them on the hiring. We vote for some of the people every time they run.

2) A small group of people make all the choices in hiring,etc. The problem is the group of people are often more interested in their standing and power. Example, How many adults do we have standing on the sidelines for every game that do not have a specific function other than to be seen? Do you notice other schools doing this? Another example, we know that the last three coaches were not the first choice of a committee that was formed. Somehow, the power brokers thwarted the process and got their guy in. Overall, How did that work out for us?

3) Find a coach who has the strength to stand up to people, even the power brokers. He should have strong discipline with the players AND the adults. Some parents and the wannabes are out of control. He can start by telling the "in" crowd to take a seat and get the hell off the sidelines. Of course, the administration needs to have equal strength and stand behind the coach and act like administrators instead of proctologist.

4) We fans need to support the coach and stick by him through thick and thin. We are NOT going to win every game and be state champions every year. We are not a private school who recruits their talent. Despite a few transfers, we have what we have. Sometimes that will be exceptional talent and sometimes average. However, no matter what, our teams can always be fundamentally sound, disciplined, and play tough football. Afterall, that is Massillon football.

[pup pounder]

What do you guys think about jack as an interim coach?:hyper: just kidding.As far as all you people crying over tom,well i dont see that he was dedicated to the program.he made no attempt to organize the under classmen.sure he was a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.

[Tiger77]

What do you guys think about jack as an interim coach?:hyper: just kidding.As far as all you people crying over tom,well i dont see that he was dedicated to the program.he made no attempt to organize the under classmen.sure he was a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.

How do you know he made no attempt to organize the underclassmen? What kind of organization should there be for underclassmen other than lifting, study table and being responsible during offseason? My son is an underclassmen and is involved in the program every day. He's in contact with coaches every day, study table and weight training. What else is there?

[pup pounder]

when is the last time youve seen a tiger freshman team with no kicker?stacy knew he wasnt going to be here after three years so didnt care what was comeing up.Speak to some of the assistant coaches.We need a coach who is willing to build a program from the ground up.Unfortunately we had one in shepas but his egoe got the best of him.Massillon could be on the verge of something special soon.Lets hope every effort is made to make that happen.

[Louisville Tiger]

Sad to see coach Stacy go.

My reliable inside sources tell me that we already have our coach. It's the guy from Nordonia.

.... ..... is now running the team and that's who he wants. Sad but true.

MONEY TALKS AND SUCKERS WALK!:ohno:

[Tiger77]

Sad to see coach Stacy go.

My reliable inside sources tell me that we already have our coach. It's the guy from Nordonia.

.... ..... is now running the team and that's who he wants. Sad but true.

MONEY TALKS AND SUCKERS WALK!:ohno:

So if you pour millions of dollars into the school system, you get to run everything? I have heard this before. Does he own the BOE also? What's the point of our votes then? How can this happen. If you want to donate your millions, thank you- but stay out of everything else. I can't believe we don't have any ethical administrators that would keep this from happening. There has to be more to this story.

[monte81]

First, I would like to wish Coach Stacy the best of luck at Green!

Second, I would hope that we have an open interview process to find the best possible coach our team needs to fix the current state of the program. We have a nice core of players returning and some young players loaded with potential with a middle school program that showed some promise this year! A coach has to build from the bottom up with the program. It has to start in the Boys/Girls Club league, followed by mentoring and correct preparing at the middle school to achieve the highest possible success in HS both academically and athletically. Discipline, work ethic, and TIGER PRIDE starts in elementary school and is only lost if we let them forget!!! With the right structure and staff from the bottom up we can accomplish the mission. However, we just cannot pick a coach because he is well liked, or because he is a favorite of backers, etc,... a Country wide search should be conducted starting in Lexington interviewing BJ Payne.

[tig62]

a Country wide search should be conducted starting in Lexington interviewing BJ Payne.

Do you think this is really possible knowing what is in the works?

Louisville Tiger quote: "My reliable inside sources tell me that we already have our coach. It's the guy from Nordonia." I find this somewhat ironic by someone from, I presume, Louisville.

[TigerCoach]

I'm here with a question (not to stir the pot).

Massillon is losing a coach that beat us (McK) three straight times to Green.

How does this sit with you fans here?

Lost him not to a college, but to a school within the same region in Summit county no less?

Wow.
-----------------------------------------------------

There are many head scratching moments in the history of McKinley and Massillon football, and this one sits right near the top that has more of a history to follow to be sure.

Davedawg,

I think the use of the expression "lost him" to a school within the same region is inaccurate. Maybe he felt he wasn't capable of handling the program (as did many others) and chose to go to Green is a better description. At Green, they don't mind being average.

[monte81]

Do you think this is really possible knowing what is in the works?

Louisville Tiger quote: "My reliable inside sources tell me that we already have our coach. It's the guy from Nordonia." I find this somewhat ironic by someone from, I presume, Louisville.

If that is actually the case then the kids, team, fans, and community are getting a complete injustice IMHO!!!

[kenhrln]

Not sure where to start. I am 53, been a tiger fan my whole life. Once upon a time. I used to love going to the games. Looked totally forward to every weekend during football season. I have only been to 1 or 2 games a year since the mid 90s. Rather listen to game on radio. Because of the likes of alot of you people that post on here. You know so much. I guess you should be appling for the coaches job. You think this is the best job in the country. I honestly think we are lucky if anyone would even want to come here, and put up with this crap. People coach because it is what they love to do. Here, they can't even be thierself. Someone is always going to try to tell them, no that way. this is the tiger way. Massillon has a great history of football. But we are not there no more for probably many reasons. We never forget the past. We need to learn how to deal with what it is now. A lot of you don't like this. But we will never win a D1 championship. Needs to change. If nothing changes, we stay D1. Trust me. I hope, I wish a Tiger team proves me wrong. But me. Be realistic. Since playoffs we have noving but being close a few times.
Who ever the new coach is. support him win or loose. Or you coach and show us all how it is done.

[sly4458]

hey people wake up here. we will be $800,00.00 less in our school budget because of kids going to other school systems. this is a big concern. more than the coach going to green. we are in a big down turn here. it needs to be fixed and fast.

[Banks]

hey people wake up here. we will be $800,00.00 less in our school budget because of kids going to other school systems. this is a big concern. more than the coach going to green. we are in a big down turn here. it needs to be fixed and fast.


Agreed

We have some very dark days ahead.

[Red50Go]

hey people wake up here. we will be $800,00.00 less in our school budget because of kids going to other school systems. this is a big concern. more than the coach going to green. we are in a big down turn here. it needs to be fixed and fast.

Before I get too upset, how much is $800,00?

[sly4458]

sorry missed a 0 it is $800,000.00

[Red50Go]

Thanks, now I'm upset. Is that really true? I mean, just due to transfers? I thought our open enrollment netted us positive. (W/out it we WOULD be cooked). Now I do know our overall enrollment has declined over the past 10 years or whatever.

[TigerCoach]

Not sure where to start. I am 53, been a tiger fan my whole life. Once upon a time. I used to love going to the games. Looked totally forward to every weekend during football season. I have only been to 1 or 2 games a year since the mid 90s. Rather listen to game on radio. Because of the likes of alot of you people that post on here. You know so much. I guess you should be appling for the coaches job. You think this is the best job in the country. I honestly think we are lucky if anyone would even want to come here, and put up with this crap. People coach because it is what they love to do. Here, they can't even be thierself. Someone is always going to try to tell them, no that way. this is the tiger way. Massillon has a great history of football. But we are not there no more for probably many reasons. We never forget the past. We need to learn how to deal with what it is now. A lot of you don't like this. But we will never win a D1 championship. Needs to change. If nothing changes, we stay D1. Trust me. I hope, I wish a Tiger team proves me wrong. But me. Be realistic. Since playoffs we have noving but being close a few times.
Who ever the new coach is. support him win or loose. Or you coach and show us all how it is done.

The criticism of the coach has been around much longer than the creation of this website. All you needed to do back then was go down to any of the breakfast places in Massillon on a Saturday morning. Or, for an early version of the critique, you could go to one of the many bars after the Friday night games. There were, and continue to be, many experts on Tiger Football. In some wierd way, that "passion" has also made Massillon Football what it is today. Today, it is much easier to get caught up on the "news" and "criticism" without ever leaving home.

[sly4458]

yes it is true due to kids going to other schools.

[CATS44]

We lose around $5000 dollars for every kid that transfers out...and recieve the same for every one that transfers in.

I highly doubt that we are going to have a net loss of 160 students.

In fact, once the DREAM project gets rolling, we should be in very good shape.

[sly4458]

better check it out then cats44. word from board member and others in system have said that.

[MTigers006]

Its sad, but im actually happy for him. The pressure is off a little bit and he dont have to put up with the crap he put up with here anymore. In fact I wish him the best. I just feel sorry for the next guy unless he comes in and shows HE is the boss. HE runs the show, and HE will NOT put up with the team issues Coach Stacy dealt with the past two years. If anyone told me he would play this or that position I would get rid of his butt real fast no matter how good he was. . I think things should have been handled differently than they was. Also the interest in GHS shows that Coach Stacy was interested in staying here if a college position did not present itself. What is the harm in trying to better one's self? I applaud Coach Stacy for always being upfront and honest about his intentions of returning to College Coaching. At least he did not try to hide it or hide it and just up and left us without saying anything or giving a reason.
Yes the state of the program is not how we envisioned it in 2005, It is good but not where we wished or thought it would be. Most importantly Coach Stacy will and should be remembered for being a positive influence to the kids not only on the field, but in the classroom. If you look at GPA's from before he came to now they are much improved. He also helped them with character and hopfully shape them for success after high school. Coach Stacy should be remembed for being a christian man and bringing that to the program and the halls of WHS. Mostly Coach Stacy should and will be remembered for one of the most exciting rides we have ever been on in 2005 and something I myself will never soon forget.
I just wanted to defend Coach Tom Stacy and discuss some issues I ,and fsee with the program. Im very and deeply sorry if I angered or offended anyone. When it comes to the Massillon Tigers I get very very protective and defensive.
I will die a Tiger and orange and black will always flow through my veins. Besides god, family,country, and friends. The Tigers are my life. Something to look foward to every year and carry with me all my life. To besides god inspire me to always give that Tiger effort (110%) in all I do everyday and no matter what never ever give up to fight untill victory in all things in life such as job performance or other things we do in life is at hand. To always do good for someone else as if they are your teammate. To always try and do what is right in life. To be determined to be a success in life in everything including giving god the praise and worship he deserves and thanks for all he has given us and for giving us MASSILLON , great coaches, a great booster club, and all the support of corpate and private sponsers, and the greatest fans of the the greatest high school footballl team to ever play on the gridiron. Never take for granted the blessings we have been given like Coach Tom Stacy and everything in the past and the blessings we are to recieve. I will never forget what Coach Tom Stacy and his players did for Tyler Gardiner and his family.Never forget we are Massillon and we are all Tigers.
On this day as we turn from one chapter to the next I wish Coach Tom Stacy continued success , prayers, and well wishes. We must honor him and look toward the future as I am sure we stand on the thresh hold of greatness and glory. The 22time Ohio D1 State Champions. The mighty Massillon Tigers will return to glory and be feared and mostly respected once again if we all work together. As a team.
Goodluck Coach Tom Stacy & Family and............................................... .

GO TIGERS!

[Obie Wan]

better check it out then cats44. word from board member and others in system have said that.
1. Which board member?
2. I would think that this information would be available to the public.

[PainlessPaulus]

Guys,

I want to wish Tom the best of luck... And I hope we see both Green and Glenoak on the Massillon Tiger football schedule in 2009 and 2010.. We are in a very fluid transition peirod in Our Beloved Massillon and northeast Ohio... Our Massillon kids are the best in Ohio. That is all we need to win. Now let's show them the way..

Go Tigers...

doug

[Big W 36]

:tonguewave: We've Done it again. Another coach has bit the dust. One way or another we have a problem keeping a coach. I hope the next lucky"LOL" is successful for at least the first 3 years. He probably won't get much more, unless he wins a State Championship.
Maybe a way of selecting a new coach, would be to put all you people's names, who know so much about coaching football, into a hat. Draw ten names out and have the ten,coach a game this 2008 season. All the winners will be on a list for selecting a coach when the season ends.... If we go to the playoffs, all of you can coach in these games. Sound fair enough? Good Luck.
"Go Tigers"

[CarlE]

All I want is someone who commits to Massillon for the long-term, instills the Massillon attitude, exudes discipline, and oh yeah, kicks somebody's ASS when they get out of line. Find me that guy.

[CATS44]

BW36: I, along with several others on TTT, have stated the proper way to pick a new coach....and it doesnt include having us on the search committee.

But we couldnt do a worse job than some of the past politically self interested committees.

Very few towns our size have as many folks knowledgeable about football with which to form a real honest to goodness search committee. And very few have the folks with contacts all over the state at every football level that we do.

It is an asset much to be desired....but unfortunately an asset that usually goes unused, or ignored.

[MTigers006]

I think that guy may have just posted before this post of mine. How about it CarlE. Noone would insist on discipline like you would. Hope I dont make your head swell. Just saying perhaps you should concider it.
On that note I would like to see Lexington High's BJ Payne apply for the job.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

All I want is someone who commits to Massillon for the long-term, instills the Massillon attitude, exudes discipline, and oh yeah, kicks somebody's ASS when they get out of line. Find me that guy.

Those are good points, but don't go far enough.

He should also know something about play-calling, or defer to an assistant that does.

:kungfu:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Coach Stacy is better off at Green for many reasons. All in all, he was not a good fit for Massillon. I understand the pressure he and his family were under here, but they were here before and had to know that coaching here isn't a picnic.

We should view this as a fresh start and apply the lessons we have learned over the past few years:

1) People in the community are going to need to demand accountability from the board during the process. Good lord, they pick a Supt. based on what they think is best, no hiring process, nothing. Most people did not utter a word or question them on the hiring. We vote for some of the people every time they run.

2) A small group of people make all the choices in hiring,etc. The problem is the group of people are often more interested in their standing and power. Example, How many adults do we have standing on the sidelines for every game that do not have a specific function other than to be seen? Do you notice other schools doing this? Another example, we know that the last three coaches were not the first choice of a committee that was formed. Somehow, the power brokers thwarted the process and got their guy in. Overall, How did that work out for us?

3) Find a coach who has the strength to stand up to people, even the power brokers. He should have strong discipline with the players AND the adults. Some parents and the wannabes are out of control. He can start by telling the "in" crowd to take a seat and get the hell off the sidelines. Of course, the administration needs to have equal strength and stand behind the coach and act like administrators instead of proctologist.

4) We fans need to support the coach and stick by him through thick and thin. We are NOT going to win every game and be state champions every year. We are not a private school who recruits their talent. Despite a few transfers, we have what we have. Sometimes that will be exceptional talent and sometimes average. However, no matter what, our teams can always be fundamentally sound, disciplined, and play tough football. Afterall, that is Massillon football.


Of the many posts on many threads going on about this matter, THIS is by far the best!!!!!!!


:iagree:

[monte81]

Those are good points, but don't go far enough.

He should also know something about play-calling, or defer to an assistant that does.

:kungfu:


DAM!!!! DTM--we don't agree on alot of things but this is right on!!! We need a Massillon guy to run the show---no BS, great motivator, and a young firey coach who we need RIGHT NOW!!!

[MTigers006]

Monte, Coach Payne is that guy and all the more reason he should be the next head coach of your Massillon Tigers. Should he apply. Maybe Thursday's Inde can shed some light on that?

DTN, Nice signature in support of Coach BJ Payne.
I think BJ would be very successful here even though he doesnt have much HC experience. But then again that was also the case when a young 24 year old man who was hired here at Massillon. His name...............Coach Paul Brown.
IF he applies he deserves an opertunity.