Cutts cries on stand to save him from the death sentance.

[Banks]

Anyone watching Bobby Cutts on the stand?

www.myfoxcleveland.com

[Banks]

He is not going to walk !

[CarlE]

Fry his whining, crying, sobbing ASS!!! And this is while the defense is questioning him. Wait until the prosecutors get their hands on him. Should be great. I have MassillonCatholic giving me updates on the minute. This is GREAT.

[Banks]

Fry his whining, crying, sobbing ASS!!! And this is while the defense is questioning him. Wait until the prosecutors get their hands on him. Should be great. I have MassillonCatholic giving me updates on the minute. This is GREAT.

You should be able to watch it live on the link I have above

[Kamd50]

He absolutely sickens me. The only reason he is crying now is because he doesn't want to go to jail for the rest of his life. Funny how he wasn't crying when he "supposedly" discovered his unborn child's and little son's mommy dead. Instead, he tries to get rid of the body to protect himself and leaves the little toddler alone, didn't he? This guy is one of the biggest moronic, cold-hearted jerks I have ever heard of. He is absolutely dispicable and no punishment on earth is enough for what he has done. He will have to wait til God's judgement comes to get what he truely deserves.

[MTiger]

What a fake! He should fire his acting coach.

[dataintsmiff]

He just buried himself with his testimony. What a moron! He deserves everything he gets....and you're right, he will have to answer some day to a higher being, and get what he actually deserves!!

[American Eagle]

He just buried himself with his testimony. What a moron! He deserves everything he gets....and you're right, he will have to answer some day to a higher being, and get what he actually deserves!!

What do you mean by a higher being?

[Guardblack]

Fry his whining, crying, sobbing ASS!!! And this is while the defense is questioning him. Wait until the prosecutors get their hands on him. Should be great. I have MassillonCatholic giving me updates on the minute. This is GREAT.

The clip of him breaking down made the news out here. Wow, his own lawyers were questioning him.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I cringed when I read the staggering testimony. This case is now in the hands of the jury.

[TigerCoach]

His story is just full of lies! I don't think he'll get the needle, but he is guilty as hell. I hope he thinks about it everyday.

[monte81]

Can anyone say that Cutts needs to get a better defense than what he mentioned the "elbow to the throat" line he used in court yesterday to try to save his butt!!!

Can anyone say electric chair???

[DAWGH8R]

Shoulda put a bullet in his head, and left him where they picked up Jesse.

[TigerCoach]

The best lie is that he used bleach to try and revive her after he killed her. He couldn't find any ammonia. LOL!!

[dataintsmiff]

What do you mean by a higher being?

GOD, if he makes it there..he's gonna have to meet his maker either way!

[SternRulz]

Shoulda put a bullet in his head, and left him where they picked up Jesse.

I'd go for that.

[SternRulz]

The best lie is that he used bleach to try and revive her after he killed her. He couldn't find any ammonia. LOL!!

Why do you think he used it? There was no blood to clean up.

[Marie]

One of the first things they tell you in CPR class is to call for help. A police officer can't remember 911? Run out to your truck and use your cell phone.
Lies, Lies and more lies.

[TigerCoach]

One of the first things they tell you in CPR class is to call for help. A police officer can't remember 911? Run out to your truck and use your cell phone.
Lies, Lies and more lies.

He also said that he tried using Jessie's cell phone, but it was not charged. Didn't stop him from calling her cell phone from his cell phone just minutes after disposing of her body. (an obvious attempt to prove an alibi)

[TigerCoach]

One of the first things they tell you in CPR class is to call for help. A police officer can't remember 911? Run out to your truck and use your cell phone.
Lies, Lies and more lies.

I remember that class also, call 911 first, then go get the bleach! LOL!:laughing:

[Al.]

Can anyone say that Cutts needs to get a better defense than what he mentioned the "elbow to the throat" line he used in court yesterday to try to save his butt!!!

Can anyone say electric chair???


Unfortunately they don't use old sparky for Ohio executions anymore.

[MTigers006]

As deliberations are taking so long I dont think it is a good sign. Although im still feeling optimistic. Not really a fan of capital punishment, but given the nature of the crime in this case im making an exception.

SHOOT HIM. Let DawgH8tr have the honor. In fact CarlE. Let Carl feed him to the gators in the everglades.

[DAWGH8R]

Had a buddy that beat Bobby Cutt's to a bloody pulp at BB McClains one night. Wish I could've been there !!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

And they are still deliberating on the trial.

[CarlE]

Guilty of murder. Send him to Florida. We'll take it from here.

[Mass6]

SuperBran, help me out!!! What does all of this mean?? Not guilty of agg. murder, but guilty of a lesser form of murder?? What the heck does that mean, either you killed her or you didn't right?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

Take Jay with you and make em' pay! And don't forget Fyrewood too!

[SuperBran]

SuperBran, help me out!!! What does all of this mean?? Not guilty of agg. murder, but guilty of a lesser form of murder?? What the heck does that mean, either you killed her or you didn't right?

first i have to note that (1) i'm not a criminal attorney (and therefore my knowledge of criminal law consists of what i learned in law school) and (2) i haven't really followed this case.

that being said, a lesser included offense is an offense that contains the the elements that are contained within a more serious crime (the greater offense). the classic example is burglary and larceny. larceny (the lesser offense) contains the same elements for liability as burglary (the greater offense), except that burglary requires the additional element of force or intimidation. therefore, someone may be charged with burglary but may end up being convicted of larceny b/c that additional element could not be proven.

in ohio the defendant has the option of being tried only on the greater offense, or to include the lesser included offenses. what you choose really depends on how strong your case is. if you don't think they can prove the greater offense then you might be able to get off the hook. you either win or you lose on that offense. if you choose to have the lesser included offenses then if they can't prove the more serious offense you still could be found guilty of a lesser offense. therefore, the disadvantage of electing the lesser included offenses is that your chances of being convicted of one crime is greater. if you're not convicted of the more serious crime you might just be found guilty of another offense.

there is a merger doctrine, though, where lesser included offenses become merged into the greater offense. the importance of this is that you cannot be convicted of both offenses (the lesser offense and greater offense). there are exceptions to the rule, although i can't really remember all of them. i do know that consipracy is one of the exceptions.

in this case they must not have been able to prove he was guilty of the aggravated murder of davis, but still guilty of murder. if you look at section 2903.01 and section 2903.02 of the ohio code you can see the difference between aggravated murder and murder.

when i was in my last year of law school i tried a murder case (not a real case). my co-counsel and i decided to go all or nothing, and not include the lesser included offenses. if it was a real case we never would have done that, but since there was nothing on the line we decided to make a bold move b/c we were confident they could never convict the guy of murder. they actually did, but the jury later admitted that they would have convicted him of a lessor included offense if that was available. i believe that they thought he was guilty of SOMETHING, and didn't want him to walk free. therefore, rather than letting him walk, they convicted him even though the evidence wasn't very strong b/c they thought he needed to be punished. going all or nothing is a huge gamble. like i said, you really have to have confidence in your case.

[pyromaniac]

I think that aggravated would mean he went there with the intention of killing her, so it would be premeditated. Murder means he killed her intentionally, but it was not premeditated. Both can get someone the death penalty.

[Mass6]

Thanks a lot SuperBran and Pyro!!! I was confused at first but this all makes a lot of sense now. Thanks again!!

[LLRose]

I think that aggravated would mean he went there with the intention of killing her, so it would be premeditated. Murder means he killed her intentionally, but it was not premeditated. Both can get someone the death penalty.

They (jury) believed his "story" of elbow to the throat to "get her away from him", rather than hands around the neck with the "intent" for her to die.

Premeditated I believe occurs in a moment in time when your "intent" or "intention" is calculated for a specific result.

I'm not a lawyer, that is my personal interpretation.

[Sec 4]

Here's the definition of aggravated murder from the Ohio Statutes:

2903.01 Aggravated murder.
(A) No person shall purposely, and with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy.

It would appear that the jury believed her death was not done on purpose but as a result of his actions while arguing with her and trying to leave. Maybe they considered it a crime of passion.

[Ron Halter]

Am I the only one that noticed that the new Barack Obama TV add looks very much like Bobby Cutts' son and victim ?

I don't intend for this post to be political. It's just an observation.

[Tiger54]

Had a buddy that beat Bobby Cutt's to a bloody pulp at BB McClains one night. Wish I could've been there !!
Why did he do that?

[CarlE]

Why did he do that?

Who cares? I'm sure he deserved it.

[The Butler]

Am I the only one that noticed that the new Barack Obama TV add looks very much like Bobby Cutts' son and victim ?



I did a double take when I saw it.

[gotigers1]

Am I the only one that noticed that the new Barack Obama TV add looks very much like Bobby Cutts' son and victim ?

I don't intend for this post to be political. It's just an observation.

I am glad that I am not the only one that noticed that.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

In case anyone missed it, Cutts has been found guilty of murder of both Davis and their child, Chloe.

More to follow......

[DragonTigerNemesis]

In case anyone missed it, Cutts has been found guilty of murder of both Davis and their child, Chloe.

More to follow......

Nope, we live under a rock.

:jestera:

[DAWGH8R]

Why did he do that?


Bobby got 'cute' with him, and soon took an absolute beating. Bled like a stuck pig. Bobby was playing the tough guy with an absolute animal. He lost.

I guess he shoulda stuck to beatin' on girls that night too.

[DAWGH8R]

I guess the jury didn't believe that he went there with the intent to kill her, (agg murder), but Cutt's knew that the baby would die if the mother died, so it's aggravated murder for the unborn child , and a child under 13.

He gets the double punishment for the baby. So, with 2 agg murder & 1 murder , luckily he qualifies for the DEATH SENTENCE !! WOO HOO !!!

http://z.about.com/d/civilliberty/1/0/k/-/-/-/lethalinjection.jpg

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

DAWGH8R,

To quote the black Christian minister's thoughts from the movie "Dead Presidents" regarding Cutts wrongdoing: "Why black brother.........why?"

[dataintsmiff]

Done, too bad we don't use OLD SPARKY anymore.....

[shortbev]

what gets me is the claim that lethal injection is "cruel and unusual punishment"... did the murderer have the same consideration for the victims??? i think not...and how can it be so cruel...you are knocked out just like you would be if you were having surgery...what a crock!!!

[Sec 4]

At least when I have surgery I anticipate waking up after the surgery. He'll know before they knock him out that he won't ever wake up.

[gotigers1]

His sentencing hearing is live on TruTV (formerly known as CourtTV)

[CarlE]

His sentencing hearing is live on TruTV (formerly known as CourtTV)

When?

[gotigers1]

It's on LIVE right now.

[casey]

Bobby Cutts cried while his mother was testifying. This time, it was for real as his mom was citing things about his childhood and the difficulty that he had when his parents divorced.

Carle, it is on TruTV (the former Court TV). Right now they are taking their break, but it should resume shortly.

[CarlE]

DANG. Thanks for the info.

[savage4president]

I wonder if a fetus cries while in utero?

[gotigers1]

Bobby's sister is on the stand now.

[Banks]

Too many breaks for commericals etc

Better to watch it as it happens on

http://media.myfoxcleveland.com/cutts/trial.html

[Kamd50]

His family and friends were talking him up about what a good father he was...to some of his children , I guess. If he was such a good father, what was he doing having such a violent fight with his child's pregnant mother right in front of the little toddler? And then left the helpless little toddler there, to wit!:obiefanfire:

And now a psychiatrist or psychologist is going to come on and testify to Cutt's state of mind during the murder? How would he know what it was? He wasn't there during nor afterwards, as Bobby was playing the concerned citizen participating in the body search.

[WheatCity]

The death penalty is wrong. Life is either sacred or it is not, and we as a society actively negotiate and politicize the sanctity of life when we allow abortion, euthanasiam, and the death penalty to continue.
We are making rules in a grey area between right and wrong. We are rationalizing with the falliable rationality of man in the case of a clear law set down by an infalliable God.

Hopefully Cutts spends the rest of life in prison, begging God's and the Davis families forgiveness

[savage4president]

The death penalty is wrong. Life is either sacred or it is not, and we as a society actively negotiate and politicize the sanctity of life when we allow abortion, euthanasiam, and the death penalty to continue.
We are making rules in a grey area between right and wrong. We are rationalizing with the falliable rationality of man in the case of a clear law set down by an infalliable God.

Hopefully Cutts spends the rest of life in prison, begging God's and the Davis families forgiveness

"Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life"

"He who shed the blood of man shall too have his blood shedeth"

Believe those come from the Holy Bible.

[Paul Brown]

"Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life"

"He who shed the blood of man shall too have his blood shedeth"

Believe those come from the Holy Bible.

You should check out the New Testament though .. it's not too bad


38You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. - Matthew 5:38-42


Jesus taught forgiveness.

[savage4president]

I certainly agree that the New Testement is much more lenient than the old Testement. I like the old better because nothing strikes fear into an individual like a vengfull all powerful entity.

[Mass6]

The death penalty is wrong. Life is either sacred or it is not, and we as a society actively negotiate and politicize the sanctity of life when we allow abortion, euthanasiam, and the death penalty to continue.
We are making rules in a grey area between right and wrong. We are rationalizing with the falliable rationality of man in the case of a clear law set down by an infalliable God.

Hopefully Cutts spends the rest of life in prison, begging God's and the Davis families forgiveness

And taking your hard earned taxes to keep him there for life. Eye for an eye, is the only way people will stop doing such heinous crimes. I know there are some that will agree and disagree, but to kill (accidentally or not) the mother of at least one of your children and leave your own son of 2 to fend for himself, sorry bud, nighty night!!!

[Mass6]

Sorry Savage, I was typing at the same time you were. I agree with you 100%.

[Kamd50]

I will say this, while I have no compassion for Cutts, I cannot help but feel deeply sorry for his mother, whom I feel is also a victim of his actions in the longrun.

[Paul Brown]

I certainly agree that the New Testement is much more lenient than the old Testement. I like the old better because nothing strikes fear into an individual like a vengfull all powerful entity.

Ah, I see. So you're a christian that doesn't like what Christ said so you follow what you like better? Interesting. :scratchchin:

[savage4president]

Ah, I see. So you're a christian that doesn't like what Christ said so you follow what you like better? Interesting. :scratchchin:

I never claimed to be a Christian.

[Paul Brown]

I never claimed to be a Christian.

Yet you're quoting the bible.

[CarlE]

I certainly agree that the New Testement is much more lenient than the old Testement. I like the old better because nothing strikes fear into an individual like a vengfull all powerful entity.

And nothing makes me dismiss a post, albeit one I agree with, quicker than terrible spelling and grammar.

[savage4president]

Yet you're quoting the bible.

Being educated and being a Christian are two seperate things. If it makes you feel better I've also read the Koran and studied Zorastorism.

[CarlE]

Being educated and being a Christian are two seperate things. If it makes you feel better I've also read the Koran and studied Zorastorism.

How'd that Koran thing work out for you?

[savage4president]

And nothing makes me dismiss a post, albeit one I agree with, quicker than terrible spelling and grammar.

Ha Ha...I'll slow down from now on and make certain I get it just right! Sorry!

[Paul Brown]

Being educated and being a Christian are two seperate things. If it makes you feel better I've also read the Koran and studied Zorastorism.

Yes, It makes me feel much better that someone voluntarily read the Koran.
...
Perhaps you meant Zoroastrianism. But as educated as you are, you probably know of something else called Zorastorism.

[savage4president]

How'd that Koran thing work out for you?

It's quite an entertaining read actually. I suppose what it all comes down to is how an individual perceives what is being read. You certainly can find radicals in any faith.

[savage4president]

I will say this, while I have no compassion for Cutts, I cannot help but feel deeply sorry for his mother, whom I feel is also a victim of his actions in the longrun.


Agreed. If he is given death, it takes so long for the appeals process to run its course that she will probably have passed away and thus not have to bury her child.

[WheatCity]

And taking your hard earned taxes to keep him there for life. Eye for an eye, is the only way people will stop doing such heinous crimes. I know there are some that will agree and disagree, but to kill (accidentally or not) the mother of at least one of your children and leave your own son of 2 to fend for himself, sorry bud, nighty night!!!

I will have to do some fact checking on this, but I am pretty certain that the extended appeals process for a convict on death row is just as expensive as keeping him alive.

[savage4president]

I will have to do some fact checking on this, but I am pretty certain that the extended appeals process for a convict on death row is just as expensive as keeping him alive.

You are correct...studies have shown this, but their objectivity can be disputed. I believe one of them was from amnesty international, but i'm not positive on that.

[savage4president]

Yes, It makes me feel much better that someone voluntarily read the Koran.
...
Perhaps you meant Zoroastrianism. But as educated as you are, you probably know of something else called Zorastorism.

Would it make you feel better if I said I give money to Benny Hinn, or Ernest Angely (sic), or any of the other so-called wondeful christians out there? How about the 700 club and the leader of that cult calling for the assasination of governmental leaders? Hey, I don't like Chavez either, but that certainly is not a christian thing to say.
...
Congratulations on googeling the correct spelling of Zoroastrianism. Were you a Queen fan?

[Paul Brown]

Would it make you feel better if I said I give money to Benny Hinn, or Ernest Angely (sic), or any of the other so-called wondeful christians out there? How about the 700 club and the leader of that cult calling for the assasination of governmental leaders? Hey, I don't like Chavez either, but that certainly is not a christian thing to say.
...
Congratulations on googeling the correct spelling of Zoroastrianism. Were you a Queen fan?

I didn't have to "google" it, I actually knew how to pronounce it; which apparently you didn't. I find it odd that a scholar such as yourself didn't.

I could care less if you're Christian or not... I just find it odd one would quote the bible to confirm his views if he wasn't.

[massillon catholic]

I didn't have to "google" it, I actually knew how to pronounce it; which apparently you didn't. I find it odd that a scholar such as yourself didn't.

I could care less if you're Christian or not... I just find it odd one would quote the bible to confirm his views if he wasn't.

savage: Dont pay to much attention to PB. He previously posted that Chippewa Golf Course was the best course in Stark County. Everybody but him realize that its in Summit County

[Paul Brown]

savage: Dont pay to much attention to PB. He previously posted that Chippewa Golf Course was the best course in Stark County. Everybody but him realize that its in Summit County

Everyone else but you and me apparently lol.
it's in Wayne.

[massillon catholic]

Everyone else but you and me apparently lol.
it's in Wayne.


Oh hell, I was close.

[Paul Brown]

Oh hell, I was close.

That's what I say.

[savage4president]

I could care less if you're Christian or not... I just find it odd one would quote the bible to confirm his views if he wasn't.

Good...my point originally was this, someone says that Jesus loves all and they use the bible to say why Capital Punishment is bad, I was using the bible to state why it is good.

[massillon catholic]

Good...my point originally was this, someone says that Jesus loves all and they use the bible to say why Capital Punishment is bad, I was using the bible to state why it is good.


Just think, if a muslim was president he was able to install sharia law, cutts would probably just get a few more girls.

[Paul Brown]

Good...my point originally was this, someone says that Jesus loves all and they use the bible to say why Capital Punishment is bad, I was using the bible to state why it is good.

I understand what you're saying. All I'm saying is they're most likely Christians and are followings Christs words when he said that.... yes, you were told "eye for an eye" but I'm teaching you forgiveness.

[Kamd50]

Killer apologizes, asks jury to spare him

"To imagine that I was responsible for the death of Jessie, the mother of my children and my unborn daughter, is beyond any words that I can express," Cutts said. "Words cannot bring them back, nor can they erase the pain I've caused, but I want to apologize." Watch Cutts' tearful apology » (link provided)


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/25/cutts.trial/?iref=mpstoryview

[PurpleArmy]

He is not going to walk !

That was never one of the options. He will either get life in prison w/ no parole, life in prison w/ the chance of parole in 25 or 30 years, or the death penalty. He was never going to "walk" when he freely admitted to aggravated murder.