Support Stacy if Not To Late

[Tigerborne]

This is a sad day when a good coach is sent packing because of a few cry babies WHO have no patients or see the forest from the trees.

What I am getting down to is Massillon as great as it is; cannot keep replacing coaches every time there is a bump in the road. Give Coach Stacy "who is a good coach" time to fix his what he started.

Yes, he took them to the edge of a state championship. No one in their right mind can expect that every year. A good coach builds a team on players he has. Look at Tressel; he switches from running team (Clarett) to a passing team (Smith) back to a running team (Wells).

Massillon has an abundance of running backs. Why not change to a running game. Next years team will be different.

A good coach changes with what he has..Look at Iggy, thier coach has been there over 10yrs. How many titles does he have?

Massillon need to keep a coach longer then 3 yrs. Stacy is a good coach and he will be missed if he is allowed to leave. Massillon is better than this.

Just in case: I don't want to hear any bad remarks: "you are in Alaska what do you know". I was born, raised and have followed the Tiger all over have the world and 8 different states. I have seen a lot of H.S. football in this country and some of you in Massillon don't really know how good you have it.

GO TIGERS

[CarlE]

This is a sad day when a good coach is sent packing because of a few cry babies WHO have no patients or see the forest from the trees.

You're right. Since I am not a Doctor I have no "patients". I also don't have much "patience" for a coach that is already applying for other jobs, and even when hired said he was on the three year plan.

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What I am getting down to is Massillon as great as it is; cannot keep replacing coaches every time there is a bump in the road. Give Coach Stacy "who is a good coach" time to fix his what he started.[/QUOTE]

It's past his three year plan to move on to college. Or Green I guess now.

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Yes, he took them to the edge of a state championship. No one in their right mind can expect that every year.
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Then proceeded to go 6-4 back to back, miss the play-offs and barely beat the worst McKinley team in the last 40 years.

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A good coach changes with what he has..Look at Iggy, thier coach has been there over 10yrs. How many titles does he have?[/QUOTE]

How many recruits does he have? How many titles does he have since other teams have been infiltrating his recruiting base.

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Massillon need to keep a coach longer then 3 yrs.
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I agree. Just one problem. The coach has to want to commit to staying here longer than three years, right?

[CATS44]

Its been too late for three months.

[man2man]

Stacy is doing exactly what he said he would do 3 years ago. Deal with it.

[Paul Brown]

Stacy is doing exactly what he said he would do 3 years ago. Deal with it.

I didn't realize applying at other high schools was the same as getting back in the college coaching ranks.
Stacy is looking elsewhere b/c he was told he was not wanted here anymore. Deal with it.

[man2man]

Be careful with what you read in the papers or by the know-nothings on here. It's not always as it seems, especially to the uninformed.

Question (that no one has answered): If everything is already a "done deal" - why the delay in any announcements? McKinley, Green, Mansfield, others - already have compiled a list of applicants and pared it down once or twice. But Massillon is waiting for...............?

[Paul Brown]

Be careful with what you read in the papers or by the know-nothings on here. It's not always as it seems, especially to the uninformed.

Question (that no one has answered): If everything is already a "done deal" - why the delay in any announcements? McKinley, Green, Mansfield, others - already have compiled a list of applicants and pared it down once or twice. But Massillon is waiting for...............?

Because
A. Nothing is a done deal.
and
B. You can't advertise a job that isn't officially open yet. There are certain legalities one must follow in this situation.

[Tiger54]

Be careful with what you read in the papers or by the know-nothings on here. It's not always as it seems, especially to the uninformed.

Question (that no one has answered): If everything is already a "done deal" - why the delay in any announcements? McKinley, Green, Mansfield, others - already have compiled a list of applicants and pared it down once or twice. But Massillon is waiting for...............?
Massillon obviously cannot publicly interview people for a job that presently has someone sitting in it and who has not submitted a resignation. Duh. . .
In other words, this guy has publicly said he didn't want to stay here after 3 years, he is publicly applying for other jobs, but we are having to wait until he is officially gone. That's the way that I see it. And these people who get on here on his behalf are just whistling dixie---if he gets offered another job, he will be out of Tigertown. And the fact that he would apply for the Mansfield position shows that he would go anywhere to leave---personally, I would like to see that happen. Massillon doesn't seem to be good enough for him, well, let's see him make a success out of MANSFIELD! That community is in such financial straits that I remember their band didn't have uniforms to wear---they wore khaki pants that obviously the kids had bought for themselves and golf shirts.

[TigerCoach]

Even if you live in Alaska, your not living in reality. You summized that a "good coach" would adapt to his talent. That is one of the main reasons we want him out. Biggest talent waster in the history of Massillon Football.

[Tiger77]

Even if you live in Alaska, your not living in reality. You summized that a "good coach" would adapt to his talent. That is one of the main reasons we want him out. Biggest talent waster in the history of Massillon Football.

What talent did we have on this team other than 3 good running backs? I totally disagree that he wasted talent. You have to have talent to waste it.

[Mass6]

What talent did we have on this team other than 3 good running backs? I totally disagree that he wasted talent. You have to have talent to waste it.

Hmmm, Yoder, Massey, Hildreth, Torrence on D, JT on O, I could go on and on about players playing out of position, but I'll stop there.

[TigerCoach]

What talent did we have on this team other than 3 good running backs? I totally disagree that he wasted talent. You have to have talent to waste it.

Are you serious? In the past 2 years, we have had 4 Big Ten caliber players (Gamble, Dailey, Torrence and Turner). In addition, there have been another 4-5 kids that could play in the MAC. Do you think that is "average talent"? Most high school teams are lucky to have 1 Big Ten player in a lifetime, we had 4 at the same time!

He wasted Andrew Dailey by only playing him on defense and the occasional reverse on offense. He used Brian Gamble as much as he could in various roles, but would have been more effective if he also used Dailey at the same time. This past year, he wasted probably the most talented kid Massillon has EVER had, JT Turner, by only playing him on defense. Then there's Torrence, he used him in the running game on offense, but he would have been a big asset on defense as well. You think maybe Torrence would have helped stop the State Runner-Up Mentor offense just 1 time?

I ask again........are you serious?:wtf:

[monte81]

Are you serious? In the past 2 years, we have had 4 Big Ten caliber players (Gamble, Dailey, Torrence and Turner). In addition, there have been another 4-5 kids that could play in the MAC. Do you think that is "average talent"? Most high school teams are lucky to have 1 Big Ten player in a lifetime, we had 4 at the same time!

He wasted Andrew Dailey by only playing him on defense and the occasional reverse on offense. He used Brian Gamble as much as he could in various roles, but would have been more effective if he also used Dailey at the same time. This past year, he wasted probably the most talented kid Massillon has EVER had, JT Turner, by only playing him on defense. Then there's Torrence, he used him in the running game on offense, but he would have been a big asset on defense as well. You think maybe Torrence would have helped stop the State Runner-Up Mentor offense just 1 time?

I ask again........are you serious?:wtf:

TC---I cut and pasted this from the other thread but we didn't have talent on the teams!!!!FUNNY! Some players have quit school or stopped playing sports but is an impressive list of talented players to deal with in 3 years!!!

We are capable of a title run 2 out of every 5 years. The talent Stacy had the past 3 years was deeper than any we have had since 79-83, 85-91 or 1999-2002!!

You guys were right about one thing major talent does come in cycles! However, 2005-2008 is a cycle that we didn't take full advantage of in Massillon. iIwill count the college players who has come through the program in Stacy's command:

Antonio James--DI
Neil James--DII
Paris Mccall--JC(could of went DI but academics slowed him down)
BG--DI
Huffman---DI
A. Daily--DI
Darion McGuire--DI
A. Scassa---DI
Yoder---DI
S. Schott---DI
E. Saunders---DII but had DI schollies
Sheegog---DII or DIII
DT---DI
KJ----should at least go DII
Massey---could be DII
JT Turner----DI for sure
Hildreth---DII for sure
D. Irvin---DII but should be DI

Not counting at least a dozen or so above average athletes who play baseball in college right now like: B. Huth, T. Ellis, Colly, Vanryzin, Trey Miller(I know he is school), etc,.... most of those guys mentioned NEVER missed practices, played hurt, and were LEADERS since you say we had none! I forgot to mention Rob Morris and a few others during the span but we have been loaded the past 3 years but cutting our Core trainers hurt in 06 and 07!! In 2005 until April/may Joe Pierce and Jarvis ran the speed and strength training program and Huffman called the plays that season--those losses hurt more than anyone could ever imagine for the program!!!!!

The plays we used were not compatible with the talent level we had on the team!! We ran 75% between the tackles in 06 and 07!!! Funny---with all that speed!!!! Also, we changed our defense completely from 2005 with didn't help either. We were great in 2005 with running 5 DB's letting Darion, BG, and Daily room all over the field but in 2006 he made them statues and held them on strings. My brother Darion played ZERO offensive plays after a TD a game until Stacy got there! In 2007 what happened to the wide open offense we were promised? No JT, DT, and KJ on the field together was so stupid and any O-Coordinator would have figured that out!!!

What teams were you watching and what coaches were you evaluating???
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[Tiger77]

Hmmm, Yoder, Massey, Hildreth, Torrence on D, JT on O, I could go on and on about players playing out of position, but I'll stop there.

I'll give you JT and DT, Hildreth and Yoder. I'm talking about this past year.
The '07 team just did not have enough talent to make things happen this year. You can only work with what you've got. Eligibility problems didn't help either.

[TigerCoach]

I'll give you JT and DT, Hildreth and Yoder. I'm talking about this past year.
The '07 team just did not have enough talent to make things happen this year. You can only work with what you've got. Eligibility problems didn't help either.

So, JT, DT Hildreth and Yoder (Herring, Schott) on a friggen' high school team isn't enough talent? You've got to be kidding me, right?

[Tiger77]

So, JT, DT Hildreth and Yoder (Herring, Schott) on a friggen' high school team isn't enough talent? You've got to be kidding me, right?

Aren't there 11 players on each side of the ball and isn't a talented offensive line part of the success of any running game? Not to mention a capable quarterback? Just because you have a handful of talented players doesn't mean you have a great team or even a good team. Isn't it about team execution and everybody doing what they're supposed to do? You've got to be kidding me, right?

[Paul Brown]

So, JT, DT Hildreth and Yoder (Herring, Schott) on a friggen' high school team isn't enough talent? You've got to be kidding me, right?

LOL. no kidding. We won states at CCC when we had one guy going big ten one MAC and one mountain west. 3 d.1 players and you expect to do things. Every other school does, Massillon should to. Failing to make playoffs with all them boys is ridiculous.

[Red50Go]

Oh yeah, we didn't execute either. Whats your point again?

Thats how you go toe to toe w/ Mentor and score 8 touchdowns but cant gain a freaking yard vs Parma or Solon. Inconsistent, unprepared, lack of talent, too much talent, call it whatever you want. We are better off getting past it and looking toward the future. Its not like you didn't know 3 years ago this day would come, unless you didn't hear him.

[Tiger77]

Oh yeah, we didn't execute either. Whats your point again?

Thats how you go toe to toe w/ Mentor and score 8 touchdowns but cant gain a freaking yard vs Parma or Solon. Inconsistent, unprepared, lack of talent, too much talent, call it whatever you want. We are better off getting past it and looking toward the future. Its not like you didn't know 3 years ago this day would come, unless you didn't hear him.

The Mentor game was the best game they played all season. We had a couple linemen come back from injuries for that game and that made a big difference. Those same two linemen were injured for the Solon game. You can win with a handful of good players but all the other factors come into play also.

[TigerCoach]

Aren't there 11 players on each side of the ball and isn't a talented offensive line part of the success of any running game? Not to mention a capable quarterback? Just because you have a handful of talented players doesn't mean you have a great team or even a good team. Isn't it about team execution and everybody doing what they're supposed to do? You've got to be kidding me, right?

How many other Div.I players do you think Terrell Pryor has with him? In high school football, 2-3 good players will take you far, if you use them right. No, I am not kidding you.

[monte81]

The Mentor game was the best game they played all season. We had a couple linemen come back from injuries for that game and that made a big difference. Those same two linemen were injured for the Solon game. You can win with a handful of good players but all the other factors come into play also.


You dont score 52 points in a game and lose! Stacy made history with that loss IMHO. No defensive adjustments at all and how can you defeat a spread offense in a base defense with LB's guarding slot Wr's? Zero points the following week against Iggy, losses to Solon and Normandy(teams we should not have lost to at all)! This past season was an embarassment to the fans, former players, and the whole community. Not to mention all the other BS our staff let go on with the team.

[Tiger77]

I don't disagree that Stacy made some mistakes. But to outsiders, who are just looking at his overall record, they've got to be wondering what the heck it takes to satisfy the fan base here. He's got a good record since he's been here and is not going to be re-signed. I think we've covered this before but other coaches have gotten extensions when we had much worse things going on. Don't you think it's a deterrent to potential applicants, to look at Stacy's record and wonder why he's not being offered an extension?

We had a handful of talent this year but they didn't get the job done and now he's got to accept responsibility for all the problems. That's the life of a coach. I just don't happen to think it's fair. Like I said before, good coaches are hard to come by. You shouldn't discard them so easily.

Maybe we could put all the posters names in a hat- draw a name out each week and have them coach the team. See if you can take all the crap a Massillon coach has to take from these know it all fanatics. Of course you'll say you couldn't do any worse, right? Apply for the job!

[Mass6]

You dont score 52 points in a game and lose! Stacy made history with that loss IMHO. No defensive adjustments at all and how can you defeat a spread offense in a base defense with LB's guarding slot Wr's? Zero points the following week against Iggy, losses to Solon and Normandy(teams we should not have lost to at all)! This past season was an embarassment to the fans, former players, and the whole community. Not to mention all the other BS our staff let go on with the team.

This is right on the money. Where is a Nickle or Dime Defense??? Where was the pressure from the outside??? We only brought Dorie 2-3 times all game!!! We were out coached. No discipline is the main problem many posters have with his coaching (along with playcalling).

[Smitty]

This is right on the money.... We were out coached....

Thank you for writing what is the bottom line.

There is no shame in losing to a superior team.
There is NO REASON at all a "Massillon" coach should get out-coached. None.

Paul Brown, Mather, Harp, Tressel, Bruce, or Commings... didn't get OUT-COACHED!!

[man2man]

We are capable of a title run 2 out of every 5 years.

This is completely insane. The fact that you and perhaps others actually believe this is one of the major problems in TigerTown.

[monte81]

This is completely insane. The fact that you and perhaps others actually believe this is one of the major problems in TigerTown.

You are insane!!! We have 3 regional Chapionships in 7 years! that is better than 2 out of 5. Know your history before you speak and these 7 years according to many we didn't have Championship talent.FUNNY!

The reasons why we come up short is people like you and Coach Stacy selling usout and telling our kids they cannot win it because we have smaller enrollment! GO AWAY when he leaves! That is why we need a Massillon guy coaching massillon's team.

[Tiger77]

You are insane!!! We have 3 regional Chapionships in 7 years! that is better than 2 out of 5. Know your history before you speak and these 7 years according to many we didn't have Championship talent.FUNNY!

The reasons why we come up short is people like you and Coach Stacy selling usout and telling our kids they cannot win it because we have smaller enrollment! GO AWAY when he leaves! That is why we need a Massillon guy coaching massillon's team.

Coach Stacy did not sell us out. Are you discounting OHSAA changing the divisions because of enrollment? How can you blame Stacy when he is only telling the kids what is being published in the papers. So if he doesn't tell them that it doesn't make it true? Give me a break.

[monte81]

Coach Stacy did not sell us out. Are you discounting OHSAA changing the divisions because of enrollment? How can you blame Stacy when he is only telling the kids what is being published in the papers. So if he doesn't tell them that it doesn't make it true? Give me a break.

Who's talking about OHSAA realignments? No realighnments is in place and the past 3 years we have been in DI.

I am talking about "we didn't get it done", "the team is not participating in workouts", etc,... instead of lighting a fire under some butts he cries to the paper!

Until the OSHAA does the realignment he shouldn't tell them anything!

[reofan82]

We did not have the talent to win a state title, but we had enough talent to be better than 6-4. In reality, we should have been 8-2 or 9-1. We should have gotten fairly deep into the playoffs. The Solon, Normandy, and Mentor losses were pure poor coaching-in preperation and during the actual games. I believe the coaching against Normandy was the worst I have seen in many years.

[TigerVic]

I could not believe the ridiculous boring 3-play playcalling that has been used with the talent we've had the past two years (and then when we need 10 yards for a first down, we throw a low percentage bomb).

No deception and no innovation. We could've taken the pressure of of our offensive line by at least having the opposition guessing as to "who gets the ball". Instead, we have AT MOST 2 of our talented running backs in the game at one time and ONE of them gets the ball on 80 % of the snaps- usually to see him need to improvise because the opponents aren't stupid to Stacy's pattern (and he made Dailey disappear in '06 while running Gamble ragged).

Stacy didn't take us offensively to the state title game- Huffman did, along with a ton of talent with which Stacy had little to do with their development.

When Huffman left, we saw the real Stacy- a 2-page pamphlet for a playbook.

[giant lugey]

I think if a coach shows absolutely no promise, then maybe you get rid of him in 3 years.
However, if a coach does show some promise, then maybe you stick it out, especially a coach who is in his first head coaching job.

I remember back in the 80's, the McKinley fans were circulating a petition to get rid of McDaniels. Many of his critics had the same complaints as Staceys critics.
The school board stuck with him and he went on to win a state title and had a hand in their next state title. Now many on this site think he is some sort of god and want him here.

I remember when Browns fans wanted Belichek out, and now look what he has done - 3 Super Bowls

I think Stacey has promise and we need to be more patient, even though now it may be too late.

[reofan82]

Coach Stacy started the whole issue when he was first hired. He publicy stated he only wanted to stay three or four years and then go back to the college ranks. If this wasn't his true intention, why did he say that? Here it is three years later and some are pretending the whole three year issue wasn't started by the man himself. What DOES Coach Stacy really want?

[Big W 36]

:thanx: :thanx: When the [3] P's, Politics, Parents, and Players take over any sports program, the end result is not good. Could this be the big problem with the Modern Era Tiger Football Program ?? LET THE COACH DO WHAT HE'S HIRED TO DO, RUN AND COACH THE TEAM.... THANK YOU!:

[Red50Go]

I think Stacey has promise and we need to be more patient, even though now it may be too late.

I totally agree. I think most of us realize now we need longevity, & consistency. But as has been stated, his intention (& ours, thank you AH) was retuning to college...3 & out. Therefore, the "infracture" was neglected, ie feeder program, offseason program, etc. So IMO the program is still at square one basically. Whats 1 more year going to accomplish??? We need to be thinking 5 year horizons, and longer, TODAY.

[TigerSupport]

Stacy is looking elsewhere b/c he was told he was not wanted here anymore. Deal with it.

Somebody on here who knows something.