Who Would You Like To See Replace Stacy?

[massillon catholic]

Since stacy has applied at Green High School, home of the bulldogs and appears to want out of Massillon, Home Of The Tigers. Who would you like to see as the next head coach?

[massillon catholic]

I'd like to see Jason Hall if we wont go after BJ Payne. But, it would be nice to land both of them.

[CATS44]

I prefer the choice of a real football committee made up of real football people, who are assigned to choose a coach for football reasons.

Outside of that, I cant have a legitimate favorite until we see who is interested enough to apply.

[massillon catholic]

I prefer the choice of a real football committee made up of real football people, who are assigned to choose a coach for football reasons.

.

Unfortunetly, I doubt we will ever see the committee that you rightly suggest is needed.

[SuperBran]

Since stacy has applied at Green High School, home of the bulldogs and appears to want out of Massillon, Home Of The Tigers. Who would you like to see as the next head coach?


appears to want out of massillon?

according to you, he has no choice.........so it's not matter of him wanting out but a matter of him moving on.

don't make it sound as though he wants out of massillon.

[Obie Wan]

Unfortunetly, I doubt we will ever see the committee that you rightly suggest is needed.
What's even worse, the folks who pick our new coach probably don't know any more about football than I know about running a chain of record stores.

[massillon catholic]

appears to want out of massillon?

according to you, he has no choice.........so it's not matter of him wanting out but a matter of him moving on.

don't make it sound as though he wants out of massillon.

According to man2man, stacy will be coaching here next year unless he decides that something out there is better for him. Man2Man claims that he and stacy are friends and talk regulary. He is under contract and has openly applied for another high school job. Sounds to me like he wants out.

[SuperBran]

According to man2man, stacy will be coaching here next year unless he decides that something out there is better for him. Man2Man claims that he and stacy are friends and talk regulary. He is under contract and has openly applied for another high school job. Sounds to me like he wants out.

but according to you, who claims to have an inside scoop, he's not getting an extension. all signs show that you're right and that he won't be here next year so why try to paint him as someone who's trying to get out of town? that's absolutely ridiculous. you know very well that that's not the case. why can't you just take the high road?

[massillon catholic]

but according to you, who claims to have an inside scoop, he's not getting an extension. all signs show that you're right

Again!

[SuperBran]

Again!

so by your own admission you're trolling. very mature.

[massillon catholic]

so by your own admission you're trolling. very mature.


:jestera:

[SuperBran]

:jestera:

all i'm saying is why don't we all show some class and just move on? why is it that people have to try to continually bash him when it's apparant that he's not coming back?

you got what you want, which is him not coming back, so why try to spin things and make it sound as though he's trying to leave us high and dry. whatever you think of his coaching, he's a good man. just wish him well and move on. there's no need to bash him anymore, as he'll be gone soon. we're just embarrassing our program when we publically do so.

[massillon catholic]

all i'm saying is why don't we all show some class and just move on? why is it that people have to try to continually bash him when it's apparant that he's not coming back?

you got what you want, which is him not coming back, so why try to spin things and make it sound as though he's trying to leave us high and dry. whatever you think of his coaching, he's a good man. just wish him well and move on. there's no need to bash him anymore. we're just embarrassing our program when we do.

I'd actually prefer to talk about who can help get this program back to where it belongs in a positive manner. That can be done without bashing, but everytime we try, some posters get on here and provoke us into replies that force us to point out why we think he should be gone. I'd much rather move away from stacy and get ready for next season. Finally, you'll never find a post by me that said stacy is not a good person, never, not one.

[SuperBran]

I'd actually prefer to talk about who can help get this program back to where it belongs in a positive manner. That can be done without bashing, but everytime we try, some posters get on here and provoke us into replies that force us to point out why we think he should be gone. I'd much rather move away from stacy and get ready for next season. Finally, you'll never find a post by me that said stacy is not a good person, never, not one.

fair enough. i think it's a vicious circle. one side makes a statement that provokes the other to respond, which causes the first group to respond, etc. i think both sides have provoked each other many times over the last few months.

regardless, though, i will be glad when this is all past. i wish stacy well in whatever he does and hope we can find somone who can hopefully bring us back to a championship caliber program.

hopefully when the job is officially open we'll have some quality coaches apply.

[TigerBob75]

I believe that BJ Payne would be a pretty good choice. First of all he is from Massillon and knows what Tiger football is all about. Playing at Mount Union and winning a couple of champinionships he knows the discipline it takes to become a champinion. Being a pro rassilor (?) brings more discipline and control because you can do some serious damage if you were out of control and really put them moves on someone. Also he and his staff led Lexiton to the playoffs. I believe that he could do the job if people wouldn't interfere and let him do his thing.

[Tiger Flame]

CATS44 post is the right way to always hire a coach for Massillon and when we don.t do it this way,then we pay a big price ! GO TIGERS DO IT RIGHT

[SuperBran]

I'd like to see Jason Hall if we wont go after BJ Payne. But, it would be nice to land both of them.

who is jason hall?


i'm stuck down in this corner of the state so i'm not sure who he is.

[Obie Wan]

who is jason hall?
He coached at Nordonia last year, Brush for a couple of years before that. He's the flavor of the month in some circles. He took a previously wretched Brush program to the playoffs, but (opinion here) he's never been anywhere long enough to know if he can build a program. There's a big difference between running a revolution and running a government.

Also BJ Payne's roommate at Mount Union. :biggrin:

[Mass311]

who is jason hall?


i'm stuck down in this corner of the state so i'm not sure who he is.

He's this guy...

http://www.jrhall.net/








or he is the Plain Dealer, Coach of the Year from Nordonia.

[Kamd50]

Some excerpts from various articles about Hall:

Under first-year head coach Jason Hall, Nordonia had a 9-1 record in the regular season, won the River Division of the Northeast Ohio Conference and qualified for the state playoffs for the eighth time in school history.

Nordonia football coach Jason Hall was a finalist for the Jackson High School opening that went to Thom McDaniels a year ago. Back then, a person who was part of Jackson’s hiring process said to keep an eye on Hall, because he was an impressive candidate.

Hall, a former football standout at Mount Union College, took over the Arcs program in 2004 and compiled a 14-18 record at the school. Hall was The Plain Dealer's football coach of the year in 2005 as the Arcs finished 8-4, the program's first winning season since 1988. They qualified for the Division I playoffs for the first time in school history and advanced to the regional semifinals.

Hall was 14-7 as the head coach at Southeast, and guided the Pirates to their first playoff berth in 2003.

The Columbus Franklin Heights graduate won three national championships and was a two-time All-American linebacker at Mount Union.

This is a link to a thread on yappi about him last season:
http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140593

[shortbev]

how many of these threads discussing pretty much the same subject, do we having going now???

this is getting worse than some of the network news stations where they try to come up with 50thousand different ways to ask the same question

[tigerbeat]

Nordonia? Good lord...does anyone think this guy from Nordonia could win here in Massillon? the 1st time he steps out onto the field in front of 15,000 fans we may have to drag him out of the port-o-pot!

[Benchboss1]

I'd like to see Jason Hall if we wont go after BJ Payne. But, it would be nice to land both of them.


Maybe we will.

[man2man]

This -again - is simple. Stacy said 3 years ago he would like to look elsewhere after his contract runs out. That's what is happening now. When he decides, he will inform the BOE of his decision. End of story.

The decision was made 3 years ago by the person in charge of the decision - Coach Stacy.

Clearly his desire is to go elsewhere - just like he said 3 years ago.

[TigerCoach]

I'd like to see Jimmy Johnson as our next coach.

[masstiger52]

Another coach from Nordonia didn't do all that bad for the pups. Remember Terry Forbes

[Red50Go]

Whoever we get I hope they have some proven success at the HS level, obviously. And demonstrate a strong desire to coach here, live here, and stay here. Have a disciplined approach w/ their players, and ability to handle meddlers. Have a proven successful speed & strength program - cutting edge. Emphasize off-season preparation, and strong work ethic. And have a long-term, hands-on, development plan at the earliest stages of our feeder system. Kinda like Sparta in 300, lol.

[CarlE]

Another coach from Nordonia didn't do all that bad for the pups. Remember Terry Forbes

Great analogy, but a different time, a different place, different semantics. Not that it COULDN'T work, I'm just not sure it WOULD. Does that make ANY sense to anyone other than my mixed-up mind? I'm on my way to the polls STILL trying to figure out who I'm voting for today.

[sly4458]

dosn't matter who we want. but i would pick jason hall

[Mass311]

This -again - is simple. Stacy said 3 years ago he would like to look elsewhere after his contract runs out. That's what is happening now. When he decides, he will inform the BOE of his decision. End of story.

The decision was made 3 years ago by the person in charge of the decision - Coach Stacy.

Clearly his desire is to go elsewhere - just like he said 3 years ago.

Whatever starkravingdad, or whatever you call yourself now a days. I wonder how long it will take me to run you off of this board as well? You said in the past that Stacy was staying because it was his choice to do so, now he is applying everywhere. Make up your mind...

[reofan82]

Who are program needs is Thom McDaniels. Someone who won't take crap from anybody and is a proven winner at places that are more similar to Massillon than Jason Hall has been. Having said that, the biggest draw back is his age and willingness to stay here to turn things around. I would guess at some point in the next couple of years, his son Josh will be an NFL Head Coach somewhere and Thom might want to be closer in location to him at that point. Also,that is why I do not think Ben McD will want the Mckinley job, I think he will join his brother when he gets a Head Coaching position.

I think it is very important to get a head coach who does have a proven track record of success or at least has a strong connection to our community, having played here and someone who understands the positives and negatives of coaching in Massillon. Although he has had little Head Coaching experience and has enjoyed limited success(because of that limited experience), BJ Payne might be a good fit. He is a winner and surely knows the community. I would think he would one of the top 5 choices. I think we need need to stay away from private/porochial school candidates (if any actually apply). Let's face it, they are not used to winning with the hand they are dealt. They simply recruit what they need for their team. It may be legal and called something else, but that's what it is.

I am sure there would be many names will surface during a search, but we need to be careful and make wise choices, which I am afraid the power brokers do not always do. They fall in love with a candidate, use their power and influence to push their candidate to the top, and it usually does not turn out to well.

[CarlE]

Your drawbacks of Coach McDaniels are EXACTLY why we don't need to hire him here. The rest of your post is spot on, as my Brit friends like to say.

[actoral]

I haven't read anything about Coach Stacey actually leaving. Reading many of the posts is like running the obituary before the death. Remember what Mark Twain said " the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated".

[Mass6]

I haven't read anything about Coach Stacey actually leaving. Reading many of the posts is like running the obituary before the death. Remember what Mark Twain said " the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated".

So applying at Green and getting an interview means he wants to stay right?? Come on, don't kid yourself.

[CarlE]

I haven't read anything about Coach Stacey actually leaving. Reading many of the posts is like running the obituary before the death. Remember what Mark Twain said " the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated".

For Sale: Ocean-front Property
Location: Arizona

Price: Eleventy-Billion Dollars.
Buyer: Only one. Actoral

[SternRulz]

Your drawbacks of Coach McDaniels are EXACTLY why we don't need to hire him here. The rest of your post is spot on, as my Brit friends like to say.

Completely ridiculous!!!

You expect us to believe you have friends?

:heee:

[CarlE]

Completely ridiculous!!!

You expect us to believe you have friends?

:heee:

Yeah. Your brother and a bunch of drunk Brits. That's as good as it gets for me.

[monte81]

BJ PAYNE! He is the logical choice IMHO because he his a tiger and knows what it takes in the weight room, classroom, and discipline to play and excel in our program. The best thing about BJ would be the longivity he would give us because HIS DREAM IS TO BE THE TIGER BOSS!! one more thing, we get my man Jarvis and Studer back in the fold, keep Hack, and possibly have a majority TIGER staff for a change for the better!!! The weight room would be live and kicking everyday for sure and we would WIN a championship IMO because we get back to MASSILLON FOOTBALL with MASSILLON PEOPLE who knows would and how to be champions!

Farrah---NO
Hall--- maybe but can he handle the MASSILLON WAY of running a football team?

[massillon catholic]

BJ PAYNE! He is the logical choice IMHO because he his a tiger and knows what it takes in the weight room, classroom, and discipline to play and excel in our program. The best thing about BJ would be the longivity he would give us because HIS DREAM IS TO BE THE TIGER BOSS!! one more thing, we get get Jarvis abd Studer back in the fold, keep Hack, and possibly have a majority TIGER staff for a change for the better!!!

Farrah---NO
Hall--- maybe but can he handle the MASSILLON WAY of running a football team?

I agree BJ would be a great choice, but I dont think they'll give him his deserved shot at the job.

[massillon catholic]

Some excerpts from various articles about Hall:

Under first-year head coach Jason Hall, Nordonia had a 9-1 record in the regular season, won the River Division of the Northeast Ohio Conference and qualified for the state playoffs for the eighth time in school history.

Nordonia football coach Jason Hall was a finalist for the Jackson High School opening that went to Thom McDaniels a year ago. Back then, a person who was part of Jackson’s hiring process said to keep an eye on Hall, because he was an impressive candidate.

Hall, a former football standout at Mount Union College, took over the Arcs program in 2004 and compiled a 14-18 record at the school. Hall was The Plain Dealer's football coach of the year in 2005 as the Arcs finished 8-4, the program's first winning season since 1988. They qualified for the Division I playoffs for the first time in school history and advanced to the regional semifinals.

Hall was 14-7 as the head coach at Southeast, and guided the Pirates to their first playoff berth in 2003.

The Columbus Franklin Heights graduate won three national championships and was a two-time All-American linebacker at Mount Union.

This is a link to a thread on yappi about him last season:
http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140593

Looks like he turned bottom-feeders into playoff teams in a short period of time. Might be the guy.

[dirtybear]

BJ PAYNE! He is the logical choice IMHO because he his a tiger and knows what it takes in the weight room, classroom, and discipline to play and excel in our program. The best thing about BJ would be the longivity he would give us because HIS DREAM IS TO BE THE TIGER BOSS!! one more thing, we get my man Jarvis and Studer back in the fold, keep Hack, and possibly have a majority TIGER staff for a change for the better!!! The weight room would be live and kicking everyday for sure and we would WIN a championship IMO because we get back to MASSILLON FOOTBALL with MASSILLON PEOPLE who knows would and how to be champions!

Farrah---NO
Hall--- maybe but can he handle the MASSILLON WAY of running a football team?


Stop hating Monte, you know I'm the man for this.

[massillon catholic]

Clearly his desire is to go elsewhere - just like he said 3 years ago.

Of course it is. Otherwise, he wouldnt be getting a paycheck.

[Mass6]

BJ PAYNE! He is the logical choice IMHO because he his a tiger and knows what it takes in the weight room, classroom, and discipline to play and excel in our program. The best thing about BJ would be the longivity he would give us because HIS DREAM IS TO BE THE TIGER BOSS!! one more thing, we get my man Jarvis and Studer back in the fold, keep Hack, and possibly have a majority TIGER staff for a change for the better!!! The weight room would be live and kicking everyday for sure and we would WIN a championship IMO because we get back to MASSILLON FOOTBALL with MASSILLON PEOPLE who knows would and how to be champions!

Farrah---NO
Hall--- maybe but can he handle the MASSILLON WAY of running a football team?

My thoughts exactly. Get some Massillon Blood back, It's at least worth a try. I think all of the Lexington Tigers would be great back in Massillon. They all know how to win as Tigers. Plus, they know a lot of people who would help the program by steering our kids in the right direction!!!!!

[monte81]

Stop hating Monte, you know I'm the man for this.

Oh---you know I thought of you coaching defense as well! I always want you on the staff---you are great with the kids dude!

[proud to be]

Yeah. Your brother and a bunch of drunk Brits. That's as good as it gets for me.

Now THAT'S FUNNY!!!!

[TigerVic]

Anyone hired by CATS44's hypothetical committee. If that doesn't happen, Coach Reed from Coldwater.

[Red50Go]

Wow, coach Reed? Cant think of any argument here. I'd love to have Payne for all the reasons listed but if he just had a little more experience. Does anyone know what Lexington ran? It seems like we need someone w/ serious creativity, and open style. We always seem to have some decent skill guys but at times lack the size & depth to line straight up w/ the bigger schools like X.

[massillon catholic]

Anyone hired by CATS44's hypothetical committee. If that doesn't happen, Coach Reed from Coldwater.


He certainly had his team believe that they could beat anyone and they never gave up even when down 14 points to a team that was nationally ranked and a huge favorite.

[Obie Wan]

Wow, coach Reed? Cant think of any argument here. I'd love to have Payne for all the reasons listed but if he just had a little more experience.
It's not at all unreasonable to have them both (although not at the same time). Reed is of an age that he'll probably only be coaching for 5-7 more years. BJ could use that same period gain valuable experience that he'll need at Massillon and to answer the questions that come from his current lack of a long-term record. If his accomplishments warrant, he'd be a great successor to Reed, and we'd be set for 20 years.

[Present&Slay]

I read these forums a lot because I have been turned on to the tradition and prestige of the Massillon program via my introduction to Coach Payne, Jarvis, and Studer here in Lexington. They spoke about this program numerous times as they set out to rebuild our program here. I know my post here may be a help to sell Coach Payne, but I would hate to lose him. But with all the respect and gratitude I have for him, I know his heart is in Massillon and I would be proud to say that Coach Payne was here and left his footprint before going home to Massillon.

I cannot put into words the transformation our football program has made. Not only is it shown on the football fields on Friday nights, but throughout the community and in numerous homes throughout the town. Our kids are more disciplined and understand the team concept. This concept, inevitably, finds its way home for the parents to see. While Lexington isn’t known for struggling academically, he came in and made it a point to set a GPA goal for our kids. They not only attend Study Table sessions throughout the season, but Coach Payne holds the same sessions in the off-season. Furthermore, he makes it known to every coach in the district that his services are available for their athletes to attend. Our kids learned the importance of academics and some that struggled pulled their grades up and those that excelled tutored and helped the others. Our kids are coming home from practice learning about things such as respect, discipline, and teamwork. You could just tell from the stands that the players were united and the relationships between the coaches and players were stronger than ever before seen here.

In additionally, what we have seen on the football field is amazing. The absolute size and build of these young men is astonishing. I’m sure you guys have seen large lean football players, but around here the build was either rail skinny or overweight and round. The weight room is absolutely packed before AND after school with football players. I never heard of an organized weight room program around here before he came here. And the kids love going to it. Coach Studer has been an inspiration to these kids as they lift. He has a way of connecting on a personal level with the kids that I can’t describe. His impact has gone as far as to gain the attention of the local Mansfield newspaper. Furthermore, in addition to the size of the kids, Lexington has never had a team with more speed. Sure there have been fast kids in the past, but the entire team moved at a speed I have never seen on a high school football field before around here. Another obvious improvement was the development of a defense. Lexington never seemed to struggle with putting the points up in the past, but stopping people seemed to be problem. While both sides were absolutely stunning this year, I came away in awe in the improvement of the defense.

Furthermore, Coach Payne is working extremely hard to get our seniors into college. There has not been a Division I signee in Lexington in as long as I can remember. This year we will have at least 2 with a handful of others going D2. I know that a few have come through in the past that looked the part, but for some reason or another they slipped through the cracks. Coach Payne works hard to get any of his players to the next level that wants that.

Allow me to end on this…I do NOT want to lose Coach Payne! What he has done for Lexington football cannot be accurately portrayed. He breathed life into a program that seemed to be in the gutter and I am excited about the future with him here. However, I can live with losing him to Massillon as I know that is his home. Again, I hope he stays and no disrespect intended…I hope Massillon overlooks him because Massillon’s loss will be Lexington’s gain. I sincerely hope that your search for your next head coach results in the head coach that fulfills everything you are looking. I can only imagine that as you look at your goals and look for a head coach, your eyes will eventually look to Coach Payne…what you do from there is up to you and what you want for a program…just know that a foot print has been made in Lexington and a tremendous foundation has been built for many years of success.

[The Butler]

I read these forums a lot because I have been turned on to the tradition and prestige of the Massillon program via my introduction to Coach Payne, Jarvis, and Studer here in Lexington......................................... ........

Good post.

[CATS44]

Since we can choose anybody we want, even without knowing if they are interested...my choice is:

A) John Reed
B) Reno Saccoccia
C) Jay Niswonger
D) Jim Tressel
E) ANY OF THE ABOVE*

IMO it would be far better to end this thread now, and wait for two bits of info that would help make such a thread much more intelligent:

1) An announcement of an opening.
2) A list of coaches who have actually applied.

* Unfortunately, I highly doubt that this option will be available.

[massillon catholic]

Since we can choose anybody we want, even without knowing if they are interested...my choice is:

A) John Reed
B) Reno Saccoccia
C) Jay Niswonger
D) Jim Tressel
E) ANY OF THE ABOVE*

.

Unfortunetly massillon has no chance at C based on the way he got shafted last time.

[actoral]

Mass6, I'm not saying he will or will not stay, but just because he's looking elsewhere doesn't mean he's going to get another job. Nothing wrong with testing the waters. Besides few (if any) of the posters here will have ANYTHING to with the selection of a new coach if and/or when it becomes necessary.

[Obie Wan]

Mass6, I'm not saying he will or will not stay, but just because he's looking elsewhere doesn't mean he's going to get another job. Nothing wrong with testing the waters.
Having a job lined up is not a prerequisite for his departure.

[tig62]

I think when the time has comes upon us on the selection of the next head coach, that it is already a done deal. AND it appears that it isn't going to be anyone on the above list. I honestly hope that I am wrong on this and will have to make a MP public apology.

[CarlE]

kind of strange hearing all these good things about BJ Payne. I went to high school with that dude. He was cocky and arrogant and like to bully kids smaller than him. Known more for wrestling in High school, state heavy champ I believe, used to beat the coaches. Was going to fight him once for running his mouth to much. I don't want to bash the dude cause it sounds like he's come full circle and seems to be a good stand up guy now, i'm impressed good for him. It's still strange because it doesn't seem all that long ago. Anyway continue on Im done.

And you're doing what now? Thank You.

[TigerBob75]

Earlier I also posted about B J becoming the head coach. Sorry for spelling Lexington wrong. Jeromyshane If he did those thing while in high school he was definitely in the wrong. But I hope that he retained some of that cockiness and arrogance and used it in a positive manner. I believe that he would be one of a few coaches that wouldn't be in awe of what is being offered in Massillon. I think that given time he could bring back that fire, Eye of the Tiger to Massillon football.

[crackerman]

kind of strange hearing all these good things about BJ Payne. I went to high school with that dude. He was cocky and arrogant and like to bully kids smaller than him. Known more for wrestling in High school, state heavy champ I believe, used to beat the coaches. Was going to fight him once for running his mouth to much. I don't want to bash the dude cause it sounds like he's come full circle and seems to be a good stand up guy now, i'm impressed good for him. It's still strange because it doesn't seem all that long ago. Anyway continue on Im done.

1) Doesnt this border on personal attack?..lol

Now a couple of facts:

1) Bullied on kids, lets ask....oh lets see....Mtiger006, didnt you always say that Payne was the one who stook up for you when other kids picked on you?
2) Cocky? Confident? Yup. I Wouldnt want a coach or a player to be anything other than that
3) State Heavyweight champ? Payne didnt even wrestle in high school. Glad to see you have your facts straight before you posted.
4) Was going to fight him once for running his mouth? Thats the best one yet. I was going to be a multi-millionaire too...dont know what happened to that either.
5) Welcome to Massillonproud. What a wonderful 2nd post of your career on the sight. Wow.
6) Have at 'em boys....this should be fun to watch.

[crackerman]

Oh and by reading your 3 other posts just wanted to add:

7) Welcome to the site PF, or family member of PF, or friend of PF. lol

[proud to be]

man, no grudges here. Everybody changes and it seems he's changed for the better doing good for himself now it seems. I guess i'm just fascinated by his turn around, good for him now it's good to here he's changed for the better.

Oh and for CarlE i did 4 years in the Army and now I'm just a blue collar nobody, got 3 young kids that take up most of my time while Im home. Is that good enough or do you need to know more? I mean to offend no one, so critics relax. I just had some free time

Don't sweat CarlE...... he got beat up by my brother in law alot as a kid, and he's still not over it........
:drinkem:

[Seeker]

Oh and by reading your 3 other posts just wanted to add:

7) Welcome to the site PF, or family member of PF, or friend of PF. lol

Actually I was wondering if PF is a family member of BJ or a friend of BJ, or BJ himself.

:biggrin:

[Purple Hayes]

Alright, I'll throw a couple of names out there, although I don't think any of them will make the trek to Massillon (save for Whiting)...

1) John Gibbons - Former St. Ed's Coach

2) Jeff Rotsky

3) Vic Whiting (surprised noone mentioned him...I'd hire him in a heartbeat)

What are the Massillon's fans thoughts on the above?

[tig62]

jeromyshane, none of the above three either.

[massillon catholic]

In all seriousness, Massillon could use a little of BJ Payne right about now.:TIG2:

[massillon catholic]

Alright, I'll throw a couple of names out there, although I don't think any of them will make the trek to Massillon (save for Whiting)...

1) John Gibbons - Former St. Ed's Coach

2) Jeff Rotsky

3) Vic Whiting (surprised noone mentioned him...I'd hire him in a heartbeat)

What are the Massillon's fans thoughts on the above?

Rotsky would be damn good and he has coached blacks as many on here have asked when discussing potential coaching candidates. As far as Gibbons and Whiting go, I'd take Whiting before Gibbons but both have too much baggage and likely will not be considered even if they did apply. My bet is still on Jason Hall.

[Obie Wan]

My bet is still on Jason Hall.
Prediction or preference?

[MTigers006]

BJ was in NO way arrogant. He could be a little cocky, but thats what made him BJ.
I think BJ would be a great fit here, he is one who would roll up his sleeves and get right to work. He has good work ethic, determination, motivation skills, and good leadership skills.
He liked to tease in school, but I dont ever recall or could call him a bully. He was a guy who liked to have fun at times also.
He spent alot of time with Coach Stu in the weight room I remember.
Jeromy its a good thing you didn't fight him. You would have spent some time in the hospital and may still have a perminate limp.
How would I describe him in three words? Intense, Dedicated, and Loyal.
If you was ever in a fight and needed someone to have your back. I'd rather have BJ than anyone else. IF the position opens and he applies. I cant think of anyone better because hes young and someone who will stay long term.

I would publically endorse him for the job because I know he loves this city and the Tigers with all his heart. I think its time for a former Tiger to take the helm and I think there is no better time than now. Plus the guy was All-Ohio. Enough said.

[CarlE]

I would publically endorse him for the job because I know he loves this city and the Tigers with all his heart.

Do him a favor and don't do that. PLEASE.

[MSlater]

Just think in three years all of the world will see the same conversation with the next coach that will get the axe. What would it be like to have a solid foundation in a program that is already established? I guess will never know. If all of us focused on other issues in Massillon as much as we do on this part of our lives Massillon would be better than what it is now...sad...so sad

[CarlE]

Just think in three years all of the world will see the same conversation with the next coach that will get the axe. What would it be like to have a solid foundation in a program that is already established? I guess will never know. If all of us focused on other issues in Massillon as much as we do on this part of our lives Massillon would be better than what it is now...sad...so sad

Truer words were never spoken. If there was EVER a time to learn from mistakes, learn from the past, and not be doomed to repeat history it is right now. And not only in football. In EVERYTHING to do with Massillon. The leaders, the citizens, the entire community has the opportunity to turn this around. As we say to our children: "Make the right choice".

[man2man]

The last two posts were some of the most insightful and intelligent words spoken on MP about the football program. These are two bright :sunny: spots in a cloud of rumor, innuendo, myopia and misinformation that has surrounded this past season.

[monte81]

kind of strange hearing all these good things about BJ Payne. I went to high school with that dude. He was cocky and arrogant and like to bully kids smaller than him. Known more for wrestling in High school, state heavy champ I believe, used to beat the coaches. Was going to fight him once for running his mouth to much. I don't want to bash the dude cause it sounds like he's come full circle and seems to be a good stand up guy now, i'm impressed good for him. It's still strange because it doesn't seem all that long ago. Anyway continue on Im done.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

BJ cocky, Spielman cocky, Crable cocky but with smiles, all McGuire's are cocky, Wright was cocky, etc,.... if you are dlineman, olineman, LB, etc,... and you do not display some sort of cockiness then why are you playing football for the Massillon Tigers? BJ went hard and that is all you can ask about a player and now coach! Mike Doss is as cocky as ever but makes 1.5 mil a year to be cocky! HS students outside the football team always look at the team as cocky and getting favors but we earned that right to represent our program with aggression, ability, work ethic, and COCKINESS!!

However--- I am glad that BJ now joins me in the bully and cocky club from WHS! Defintion of a bully is what? If taking no $hit and being confident about your skills and ability is cocky then I as well as Coach Payne is and ALWAYS will be cocky but SUCCESSFUL!!
Now for fighting---- if you challenge me I will kick your butt as will Coach Payne but that does not make him a bully or cocky. most people who saw I am cocky or a mean person really doesn't know the real person! Think about that before you bring up what a person did or accussed of doing as a teenager.


BJ PAYNE is the best coach for this mission we have with our program. If the "powers that be" does not see that then they ARE NOT TRUE MASSILLON TIGERS ANYWAY!!!!! Tigers lead Tigers and we need some true tigers around to make this work!

[MTigers006]

Truer words were never spoken. If there was EVER a time to learn from mistakes, learn from the past, and not be doomed to repeat history it is right now. And not only in football. In EVERYTHING to do with Massillon. The leaders, the citizens, the entire community has the opportunity to turn this around. As we say to our children: "Make the right choice".

Excellent post CarlE and Monte81 as well.

[slob55]

4) But his mom came and got him and wouldn't let him fight. I'm sure other folks remember him a different way. Come on bro it was high school and it's different for everyone now. If I saw him today I'd shake his hand, cause like I said I don't hold grudges. It just isn't that important. But you have a good day though

Let me get this straight, you tried to fight a state champion heavy weight and his mom came and wouldn't let him fight?
Wow.
Besides the fact that Massillon has never had a state champion in wrestling, that is pretty impressive.

[SuperBran]

HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Wright was cocky, etc,

wright was a beast. the guy looked like he was chiseled out of granite. it was fun watching him play a little fullback as well.

[monte81]

wright was a beast. the guy looked like he was chiseled out of granite. it was fun watching him play a little fullback as well.

2nd best ILB in school history that i have witnessed IMO! Oh--
1. Spielman
2. Wright
3. Cocky ass Tim Manion!
honorable mention: Todd Perdue

[crackerman]

Let me get this straight, you tried to fight a state champion heavy weight and his mom came and wouldn't let him fight?
Wow.
Besides the fact that Massillon has never had a state champion in wrestling, that is pretty impressive.

Great Point Slob....Slobby, Tigercoach, Hack, Monte all know Payne's mom. If she showed up, it was to watch or cheer him on..lol.

[CarlE]

2nd best ILB in school history that i have witnessed IMO! Oh--
1. Spielman
2. Wright
3. Cocky ass Tim Manion!
honorable mention: Todd Perdue

Good thing Manion was pretty good in football. He sucked in baseball!!!

[SuperBran]

2nd best ILB in school history that i have witnessed IMO! Oh--
1. Spielman
2. Wright
3. Cocky ass Tim Manion!
honorable mention: Todd Perdue

along with brandon turley, our inside lbs dominated in 91. that defense was fun to watch. we had a lot of hard-nosed kids who liked to hit.........woullard, turley, wright, jones, pachis, etc. i still remember carl hye lining up at nt in that slanted stance.

[TigerCoach]

Great Point Slob....Slobby, Tigercoach, Hack, Monte all know Payne's mom. If she showed up, it was to watch or cheer him on..lol.

I would have been more afraid of Mrs. Payne if she showed up at a fight.

[TigerCoach]

Good thing Manion was pretty good in football. He sucked in baseball!!!

Hey, I played with him and he told me that he was recruited to play both sports in college, but had to pick one over the other. He was MVP as a Sophomore, batted .439 and led the Tigers to a Diamond Conference Championship. Played several positions in baseball and football, and excelled at every one. Man, he was a great athlete.:no1:

[monte81]

along with brandon turley, our inside lbs dominated in 91. that defense was fun to watch. we had a lot of hard-nosed kids who liked to hit.........woullard, turley, wright, jones, pachis, etc. i still remember carl hye lining up at nt in that slanted stance.

You would of smiled if you would of seen Turley and myself playing on the same team in Colorado! We smashed teams every week on defense! FUn times in 1995 in the Rocky Mountain! We both recieved numerous roughness penalties that season.

[Catman]

Since stacy has applied at Green High School, home of the bulldogs and appears to want out of Massillon, Home Of The Tigers. Who would you like to see as the next head coach?

I don't think he wants out of Massillon but he is being FORCED out of Massillon....I don't see the school board dangling a new contract in front of him do you???? They shelved discussing it until March, that tells me they don't want him back. I think he is doing the right thing for his family.

Don't you think that if you knew your job was in jeapardy that you would do everything that you could to make sure that you were working?? I'm as much of a die hard Tiger fan as everyone else here, but screw Massillon if they don't want me, then I'm protecting my family and making sure that I'm still putting food on the table. I think everyone of us would do the same thing if we were in his shoes. Lets get real here above everything else, this is a JOB!

[Mass6]

I don't think he wants out of Massillon but he is being FORCED out of Massillon....I don't see the school board dangling a new contract in front of him do you???? They shelved discussing it until March, that tells me they don't want him back. I think he is doing the right thing for his family.

Don't you think that if you knew your job was in jeapardy that you would do everything that you could to make sure that you were working?? I'm as much of a die hard Tiger fan as everyone else here, but screw Massillon if they don't want me, then I'm protecting my family and making sure that I'm still putting food on the table. I think everyone of us would do the same thing if we were in his shoes. Lets get real here above everything else, this is a JOB!

What about his plan to leave in 3 years??? That tells me he had no plans to stay here. Bring on BJ!!!!!!

[monte81]

I would have been more afraid of Mrs. Payne if she showed up at a fight.


If my mother and Mrs. payne were a tag team any oponents thay faced would be in trouble! can anyone say POWERSLAM!LOL

[TigerCoach]

If my mother and Mrs. payne were a tag team any oponents thay faced would be in trouble! can anyone say POWERSLAM!LOL

I don't know, Monte. I think Ruby Arrington could take them both down to the mat.

[monte81]

I don't know, Monte. I think Ruby Arrington could take them both down to the mat.


Once you get to know Ruby she is real cool---just not in school!LOL

BJ PAYNE should be the next Tiger boss!

[SuperBran]

What about his plan to leave in 3 years??? That tells me he had no plans to stay here. Bring on BJ!!!!!!

i believe that he said that he'd like to move back to the college ranks after three years........not that he was definitely going to be gone in three years.

regardless, though, he was truthful from the start and everyone knew of his plans, so you can't blame him.

[CarlE]

Once you get to know Ruby she is real cool---just not in school!LOL

BJ PAYNE should be the next Tiger boss!

How about this for a tag-team? Mrs. Arrington and Mrs. Grier. UNFREAKINGBEATABLE!!! Man, those were the good old days. As far as SuperBran's post, you're right. Coach Stacy always said it was a three year plan and then start looking at college. It's the idiot that hired him that should be blamed. And we know his initials (AH)

[Mass6]

i believe that he said that he'd like to move back to the college ranks after three years........not that he was definitely going to be gone in three years.

regardless, though, he was truthful from the start and everyone knew of his plans, so you can't blame him.

Exactly right. I meant no harm by saying he had the three year plan, just that he never seemed like he wanted to stay here long term. Not his fault, but it shows why he is looking elsewhere. Not saying he doesn't already know his fate though.

[SternRulz]

Once you get to know Ruby she is real cool---just not in school!LOL

BJ PAYNE should be the next Tiger boss!

I loved Ruby. I was one of her favorites. She let me get away with a lot! :)

[ChronicTiger]

This aint no do-drop inn!!!!! LOL

:eek2:

[CarlE]

I loved Ruby. I was one of her favorites. She let me get away with a lot! :)

That REALLY pisses me off.

[SternRulz]

That REALLY pisses me off.

Deal with it :)

[hitman]

Farrah will not be the next Tiger coach.

[Tiger77]

Farrah will not be the next Tiger coach.

Good to know.

[hitman]

I'll say Jason Hall or John Reed as the next Tiger coach.

[Obie Wan]

I'll say Jason Hall or John Reed as the next Tiger coach.
If we had the opportunity to choose between those two coaches, any decision other than John Reed would be inexcusable.

[Hack]

Coach, .439 isn't bad but I know a former football player that hit .480 in a season!!!!!