Stacy To Interview At Green

[caseybaby]

WOW

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=24172&Category=

[Paul Brown]

I thought he was going to BGSU?

[giant lugey]

Nice school. Nice area. Growing area. Probably good pay. Less pressure. Decent facilities. Good kids, and he probably wouldn't have to move.
I can't blame him for interviewing.

[DB135]

When did he resign or did the board decide to not renew his contract? When is the "targeted search" scheduled to begin?:


http://www.massillon.sparcc.org/index.php?page=employment

[LLRose]

Green is an AWFUL job.

The parent involvement at Green is worse than in Jackson Twp.

The parents at Green have successfully ran two quality coaches out of the head coaching position during the last 20 years.

Joe Homoney and Eldon Vickers were hand cuffed by the insurgent parents in Green.

Lets hope this all ends with Tom being renewed at Massillon with a 5 year deal for some long term stability. This is the best way to get back to the title game, or did we forget he's only 1 of 2 coaches in over 30 years to make it to the state finals as well as consistently beat McK?

[Paul Brown]

Lets hope this all ends with Tom being renewed at Massillon with a 5 year deal for some long term stability.

I hope not, as this would be illegal.

[LLRose]

I hope not, as this would be illegal.

Change the law.

[Paul Brown]

Change the law.

Interesting idea. Tell me something, is it as fun as I imagine to live life cretinous?

[LLRose]

Interesting idea. Tell me something, is it as fun as I imagine to live life cretinous?

I'm puzzled by cretinous, I looked it up in the New Websters dictionary and can't find it. Can you help me out?

Do you you mean, cretaceous? in the past?

[Paul Brown]

cretinous - afflicted with cretinism

cretinism - nicer way of telling you you're retarded.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

cretinism - nicer way of telling you you're retarded.

Mr. LLRose, actually, he's calling you an idiot.

Perhaps since he is posting as an immature youngster, you should reply "Nah nah! Takes one to know one!"

Then you will be on his level.

:gogogo:

[Paul Brown]

Mr. LLRose, actually, he's calling you an idiot.

Perhaps since he is posting as an immature youngster, you should reply "Nah nah! Takes one to know one!"

Then you will be on his level.

:gogogo:

:rolleyes:

[LLRose]

cretinous - afflicted with cretinism

cretinism - nicer way of telling you you're retarded.

I'm not playing.

[massillon catholic]

I've always said that anytime a head coach or an adminstrator applies for a lesser job outside of the district they should be immediately terminated. I suppose telling stacy that his contract wont be renewed is the same thing, BYE-BYE

[TigerCoach]

The parent involvement at Green is worse than in Jackson Twp.

The parents at Green have successfully ran two quality coaches out of the head coaching position during the last 20 years.

Joe Homoney and Eldon Vickers were hand cuffed by the insurgent parents in Green.

Yea, those dang parent groups. They ran Eldon Vickers out just as he turned 60 and has his 30 years in for retirement. Why don't you just quit being so stupid?

[slider63]

Logic tells me that coach Stacy does not feel the BOE wants him back. I feel the board needs to either sign coach Stacy or make it known to all that he will not be renewed. Doing nothing is not the right thing to do and it is not fair to the fans, players, coaches or anyone involved. The board must make a decision now.

[Paul Brown]

The board must make a decision now.

It would appear that they already have.

[Obie Wan]

Logic tells me that coach Stacy does not feel the BOE wants him back. I feel the board needs to either sign coach Stacy or make it known to all that he will not be renewed. Doing nothing is not the right thing to do and it is not fair to the fans, players, coaches or anyone involved. The board must make a decision now.
It's quite possible that the BOE has made a decision, and that decision has been communicated to Stacy. They're under no obligation to tell us anything, and there's no benefit to anyone to have a public non-renewal. It would be far better to allow Stacy the opportunity to find new employment and thank him for his service when he does so. There's no reason at all to make a public show out of firing him.

Having said that, there is a point at which the course of civility becomes counter-productive. If Stacy is leaving, I would hope that he does so within the next few weeks, as it is important that we not wait too long to hire his successor. If he's not coming back, and if he has not announced his resignation by then, then we should craft a diplomatic and respectful announcement and begin the search for the new coach.

[massillon catholic]

It's quite possible that the BOE has made a decision, and that decision has been communicated to Stacy. They're under no obligation to tell us anything, and there's no benefit to anyone to have a public non-renewal. It would be far better to allow Stacy the opportunity to find new employment and thank him for his service when he does so. There's no reason at all to make a public show out of firing him.

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This is exactly what is happening. Stacy will not coach Massillon next year and he has been told that. Why in the hell do you think he would stoop to the level of applying at Green, if he's going to be re-newed? He's gone and he knows he's gone.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

This is exactly what is happening. Stacy will not coach Massillon next year and he has been told that. Why in the hell do you think he would stoop to the level of applying at Green, if he's going to be re-newed? He's gone and he knows he's gone.

Do you also pull the wings off of flies and kick stray dogs?

Sometimes, after too much repetition, the same comments, although probably accurate, border on just plain cruelty.

:help:

[cat]

Mass Cath, Green is a step up from this place. Massillon has turned into a coach's nightmare with all the detractors around this football program. Lord help the next coach that comes along to Massillon.
Obie Wan, Massillon is a public school district correct? These employment decisions should be public record so the voting public can make WISE decisions next election.
WOW... This football program is swirling down the drain. It's unfortunate that the student-athletes have to pay for it because of a few adults acting as 2 year olds.:thanx:

[massillon catholic]

Do you also pull the wings off of flies and kick stray dogs?

Sometimes, after too much repetition, the same comments, although probably accurate, border on just plain cruelty.

:help:

I only posted this as some (man2?) have a difficult time grasping the truth.

[Obie Wan]

Obie Wan, Massillon is a public school district correct? These employment decisions should be public record so the voting public can make WISE decisions next election.
What decision? In the absence of a formal vote, there is no "decision". The BOE could have met in executive session and taken a straw poll around the table. They could have apprised Stacy of that result. Say the conversation went something like this: "We're going to bring up the topic of renewing your contract at the February/March meeting. The majority of us will not vote for renewal." In that scenario, there's nothing to be entered into the "public record" or to be shared with the "voting public".

Anyway, the next BOE election isn't until 2009. I think we'll know what happens with Stacy by then.

[Obie Wan]

I only posted this as some (man2?) have a difficult time grasping the truth.
If he hasn't grasped it by now, he's an idiot -- and you're wasting your time. If he's refusing to acknowledge it in order to annoy people, he's just being a troll -- and you're wasting your time.

He's who laughs last, laughs best.

[jeromyshane]

That Massillon is going after Farrah, already offer on the table anyone else heard anything on this. Apparently has been the talk of the town, got many louisville fans sweating over losing their coach. Heard this from a reliable source from louisville

[Tiger Flame]

Looks like coach Stacy is havig a problem finding a job but lets hope it does happen soon , so we can get our new coach here and get our program going in a positive direction. GO TIGERS

[Obie Wan]

That Massillon is going after Farrah, already offer on the table anyone else heard anything on this. Apparently has been the talk of the town, got many louisville fans sweating over losing their coach. Heard this from a reliable source from louisville
Great. That would make him one of several coaches who has already received an offer.

It sure is going to be crowded on the sidelines next year with all those coaches running around.

[Paul Brown]

Man, everyone has a source but me.

[Obie Wan]

Man, everyone has a source but me.
Here ya go:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/magic8ball-thumb.jpeg

It's just as good as most of the others.

[Banks]

That Massillon is going after Farrah, already offer on the table anyone else heard anything on this. Apparently has been the talk of the town, got many louisville fans sweating over losing their coach. Heard this from a reliable source from louisville

Only thing i heard about Farrah was he was going to
Mck

[Banks]

Looks like coach Stacy is havig a problem finding a job but lets hope it does happen soon , so we can get our new coach here and get our program going in a positive direction. GO TIGERS


Keep in mind that who ever comes in here already has a job somewhere else and may not be able to just waltz in and get things rolling it could be late May or mid June before someone can come in full time.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Only thing i heard about Farrah was he was going to
Mck

Maybe the Louisville people just know that he's gone---but don't know for sure where.

(Kinda like another situation, eh?)

:dance:

[hitman]

That Massillon is going after Farrah, already offer on the table anyone else heard anything on this. Apparently has been the talk of the town, got many louisville fans sweating over losing their coach. Heard this from a reliable source from louisville


Its not a rumor. Been hearing that also for the last 2 weeks.

[The Voice]

Actually MC, according to some in political positions, The Massillon Tigers could be changed the the 'David Tigers'. Apparently, 'the David Philosophy' was the reason that Blosser stepped down. He didn't want any part of it.

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[Obie Wan]

Its not a rumor. Been hearing that also for the last 2 weeks.
:wtf:

Just because you heard it means it's not a rumor?

[Obie Wan]

Apparently, 'the David Philosophy' was the reason that Blosser stepped down. He didn't want any part of it.
A smart person knows what he doesn't know. We'll see how smart some people are when we see how the next football coach is picked.

Anyway, if Blosser saw something in the administration of the system that he didn't like, why would he not stay to fight the creeping influence? Why would he just slink away and condemn the district? That doesn't seem like a very responsible choice of action.

[massillon catholic]

Actually MC, according to some in political positions, The Massillon Tigers could be changed the the 'David Tigers'. Apparently, 'the David Philosophy' was the reason that Blosser stepped down. He didn't want any part of it.

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You did read my posts where I predicted that by 2012 Massillon Washington will have a new name?

[Benchboss1]

At this point it would seem unlikely that Stacy will ever actually interview for the Green position.

Since the Green position has been open for so long it would appear that he probably applied for that position before the Bowling Green job became available.

We know that he interviewed for the BG job and I will be surprised if he is not announced as their new Quarterback Coach as soon as it is legally permitted!

As a State School they must post the position for 30 days.....a time period that I believe expires during the first week of February.

Green actually would be an excellent position for him if the BG opening had not presented itself, or if ( and I do not believe this to be the case ) he would happen to not be chosen for the college position.

As an Bowling Green Graduate with a proven track record as a very successful
Mid-American Quarterback Coach at The University of Akron, and a former resident and High School Coach in the area he is an absolute natural for the BG position.

Taking the above into consideration it is extremely hard not to believe all of the recent ( I just heard it again this week ) reports that T/S has indeed been selected for the QB Coach at BG University and that the
announcement will be forthcoming shortly.

Personally, I hope for Tom's sake that these reports prove accurate as he is a good person at heart and is deserving of the position.

There is a BIG difference between being a great Assistant Coach and being the Head Coach at a pressure packed position like Massillon.

Having said that I also happen to believe that if the BG position would for some surprising reason not present itself, the Green Job would be a great fit for both parties.

A large fast growing surburban school district that is with-in easy driving from his current residence, and coaching in a very competitive league without the extreme pressure of a Massillon would, in my opinion, be a perfect High School fit of Tom and his family.

IMO, his coaching style and a return to the Run-an-Boot Offense that he helped to develope for Lee Owens would be perfect for the Green Bulldogs and their fans!

Either way I suspect that there will be an announcement forthcoming shortly and that we will be in the market for a new Head Football Coach!

I also happen to agree with Obie Wan with regards to the way that this entire situation appears to have been handled by the Massillon BOE. What would be gained by disgracing or embarassing a good man by firing him.... except to further blemish our district with another Black Eye.

I was not in favor of hiring Stacy for our job and I admit it.....but I can also testify that having known him since his stay here with Lee Owens he is a good decent person that despite being over his head tried his best and deserves the type of class exit that our BOE is attempting to provide him.

As long as he does not abuse the opportunity I believe that we are handling
the situation in exactly the correct manner for everyone involved.... despite the calls by others to expeditite the process!

[WoodyHayes]

Paul F. at Massillon. Down in Texas it used to be teams playing 3 yards and a cloud of dust untill some offensive minded people changed the philosophy. I always hear, defense wins championships but I find this changing. Look at LSU and some teams down here. They opened up the offense and brought the titles home. Go to Fla. and hire someone like the guy named San Juan (applied for the St. Eds job). The names you people throw around as coaches are not going to bring home the titles. Two things,
1 - Hire a coach who opens it up
2 - Find a QB who can run the offense
Just watch in a few years when Rod opens up that offense at Michigan.
The SEC does not play with the motto, "defense gets it done" Its old and times are changing.

[Obie Wan]

The names you people throw around as coaches are not going to bring home the titles.
Just to be clear, these aren't the names "we people" are throwing around as our preferences; these are the names that are rumored to be of interest to those who are thought to be in a position to influence the choice.

[hitman]

:wtf:

Just because you heard it means it's not a rumor?


You know what I mean, I meant that it was a rumor.

[hitman]

Just to be clear, these aren't the names "we people" are throwing around as our preferences; these are the names that are rumored to be of interest to those who are thought to be in a position to influence the choice.


Tell me who will decide who the next football coach in Massillon will be?

[Obie Wan]

Tell me who will decide who the next football coach in Massillon will be?
Nice try.

[hitman]

Exactly!

[Banks]

OK can someone please help me out here!
Please post Paul F. coaching background.
I have to admit I am confused as some thing
( in IM's to me ) that he wouldn't go to McK because of all the problems that go along there! Don't we have much of the same?

[Obie Wan]

I have to admit I am confused as some thing
( in IM's to me ) that he wouldn't go to McK because of all the problems that go along there! Don't we have much of the same?
No. We don't have anywhere near the problems CCS does, plus we have the ability to create a much more favorable employment situation.

For example, CCS is out of money and will be laying off teachers. This means that filling out a staff will be a huge problem. Moreover, the CCS Super is on record as saying that a) the new coach will not be employed in an administrative position, and that b) he is expected to be "in the building". That would seem to imply a less attractive pay package, lower pension payments, and a greater workload.

OTOH, we can create a position for the guy if need be (e.g. Director of Athletic Admissions), we can stick him in the administration, we can "supplement" his income outside of the system, and we can certainly find a teaching slot for a coach or 6.

There's no way in hell that the McKinley position is as attractive as ours at this time - unless our coach is to be a hand-picked puppet and will be expected to spend his tenure dancing at the end of a string. However, if the donors, meddlers, and wanna-be's stay quiet and out of the way, and if the coach is allowed to run the program his way, this could still be the best gig in the state.

[austinsm11]

, and we can certainly find a teaching slot for a coach or 6.



I would think this would be dependent on what the individual coaches are qualified to teach.
Seems like it might be hard to get teaching slots for more than 1 or 2.

[Obie Wan]

I would think this would be dependent on what the individual coaches are qualified to teach.
Seems like it might be hard to get teaching slots for more than 1 or 2.
Much of that depends on certifications, needs (always flexible :wink:), attrition, union contracts, etc. The greater point is that we will almost certainly have a lot more flexibility in this area than McKinley will.

[Banks]

No. We don't have anywhere near the problems CCS does, plus we have the ability to create a much more favorable employment situation.

For example, CCS is out of money and will be laying off teachers. This means that filling out a staff will be a huge problem. Moreover, the CCS Super is on record as saying that a) the new coach will not be employed in an administrative position, and that b) he is expected to be "in the building". That would seem to imply a less attractive pay package, lower pension payments, and a greater workload.

OTOH, we can create a position for the guy if need be (e.g. Director of Athletic Admissions), we can stick him in the administration, we can "supplement" his income outside of the system, and we can certainly find a teaching slot for a coach or 6.

There's no way in hell that the McKinley position is as attractive as ours at this time - unless our coach is to be a hand-picked puppet and will be expected to spend his tenure dancing at the end of a string. However, if the donors, meddlers, and wanna-be's stay quiet and out of the way, and if the coach is allowed to run the program his way, this could still be the best gig in the state.

Not really talking about the money problems etc
I am talking about the players.

[Banks]

Has Paul F. coached anywhere that has had black players?

[SuperBran]

At this point it would seem unlikely that Stacy will ever actually interview for the Green position.

Since the Green position has been open for so long it would appear that he probably applied for that position before the Bowling Green job became available.

We know that he interviewed for the BG job and I will be surprised if he is not announced as their new Quarterback Coach as soon as it is legally permitted!

As a State School they must post the position for 30 days.....a time period that I believe expires during the first week of February.

Green actually would be an excellent position for him if the BG opening had not presented itself, or if ( and I do not believe this to be the case ) he would happen to not be chosen for the college position.

As an Bowling Green Graduate with a proven track record as a very successful
Mid-American Quarterback Coach at The University of Akron, and a former resident and High School Coach in the area he is an absolute natural for the BG position.

Taking the above into consideration it is extremely hard not to believe all of the recent ( I just heard it again this week ) reports that T/S has indeed been selected for the QB Coach at BG University and that the
announcement will be forthcoming shortly.

Personally, I hope for Tom's sake that these reports prove accurate as he is a good person at heart and is deserving of the position.

There is a BIG difference between being a great Assistant Coach and being the Head Coach at a pressure packed position like Massillon.

Having said that I also happen to believe that if the BG position would for some surprising reason not present itself, the Green Job would be a great fit for both parties.

A large fast growing surburban school district that is with-in easy driving from his current residence, and coaching in a very competitive league without the extreme pressure of a Massillon would, in my opinion, be a perfect High School fit of Tom and his family.

IMO, his coaching style and a return to the Run-an-Boot Offense that he helped to develope for Lee Owens would be perfect for the Green Bulldogs and their fans!

Either way I suspect that there will be an announcement forthcoming shortly and that we will be in the market for a new Head Football Coach!

I also happen to agree with Obie Wan with regards to the way that this entire situation appears to have been handled by the Massillon BOE. What would be gained by disgracing or embarassing a good man by firing him.... except to further blemish our district with another Black Eye.

I was not in favor of hiring Stacy for our job and I admit it.....but I can also testify that having known him since his stay here with Lee Owens he is a good decent person that despite being over his head tried his best and deserves the type of class exit that our BOE is attempting to provide him.

As long as he does not abuse the opportunity I believe that we are handling
the situation in exactly the correct manner for everyone involved.... despite the calls by others to expeditite the process!

very good post with a lot of class. it's nice to hear critics of stacey wish him well. even though many don't like him, stacey has truly showed a lot of class.

[Seeker]

Has Paul F. coached anywhere that has had black players?

I love your direct approach.

:2thumbsup:

[shortbev]

I Wish For Goodness Sake That Someone Would Make A Decision...it Is Waaaaaay Past Time To "you Know What Or Get Off The Pot" About This Issue...

If Something Isn't Done Soon, We End Up In The Same Position We Were In A Few Years Ago...having To Take Whatever Is Left...rather Than Being In A Position To Choose

So, Either The Boe Or Coach Stacy Needs To Make A Move In Some Direction...or All Will End Up Screwed!!!

[Obie Wan]

Has Paul F. coached anywhere that has had black players?

Who f'ing cares? It's crap like this that makes non-problems into problems. It's this kind of over-analysis of irrelevant details that turns decisions away from the overall good and towards some negotiated compromise that benefits no one. As long as you promote racial differences, you will perpetuate them. Kids is kids. Stuff this "black players" garbage.

Treat them all the same, with the same respect and the same expectations, and you'll find out they were all the same to begin with.

[LLRose]

Great. That would make him one of several coaches who has already received an offer.

It sure is going to be crowded on the sidelines next year with all those coaches running around.

Best post on MassillonProud.com during 2008

[LLRose]

Yea, those dang parent groups. They ran Eldon Vickers out just as he turned 60 and has his 30 years in for retirement. Why don't you just quit being so stupid?

You have no clue what you're talking about, TRUST ME.

YOU have no clue as to what has gone on at Green the last 15 years. Take my post in totality, not one line.

Green is an AWFUL job, period.

To your point, his age and tenure sure helped, however the parent insurgency pushed him out the door.

[Banks]

Who f'ing cares? It's crap like this that makes non-problems into problems. It's this kind of over-analysis of irrelevant details that turns decisions away from the overall good and towards some negotiated compromise that benefits no one. As long as you promote racial differences, you will perpetuate them. Kids is kids. Stuff this "black players" garbage.

Treat them all the same, with the same respect and the same expectations, and you'll find out they were all the same to begin with.

I sure didn't mean it in the way your took it!!
Once again you are reading more into things.

I just can't get an answer to my question.

I was told in IM's PF wouldn't go to Mck for some reasons and it wasn't about money etc. I guess I shouldn't have asked my question .
I guess I should have saved it.

[dirtybear]

Who f'ing cares? It's crap like this that makes non-problems into problems. It's this kind of over-analysis of irrelevant details that turns decisions away from the overall good and towards some negotiated compromise that benefits no one. As long as you promote racial differences, you will perpetuate them. Kids is kids. Stuff this "black players" garbage.

Treat them all the same, with the same respect and the same expectations, and you'll find out they were all the same to begin with.

The funny thing is that who ever interviews will be asked the same questions in so many different words. So some people do care.

[Obie Wan]

I was told in IM's PF wouldn't go to Mck for some reasons and it wasn't about money etc.
Well, I'll say this: any coach that has demographic requirements, restrictions, or reservations has no business coaching here (or almost anywhere else, for that matter).

As for a literal answer to your question: He graduated from Louisville, attended B-W, coached at Louisville as an assistant (1988-93(?)), Tuslaw (1994-99) and Louisville (since 2000). Those are all pretty racially homogenous environments. In fact, there wasn't a single black kid on Louisville's team last year.

On a more general note, I'll reiterate that Farrah graduated from Louisville. As such, it may take quite a bit to get him to leave there for anywhere. I have my own thoughts as to whether it would be worth it for us to make the effort. :wink:

[Banks]

Well, I'll say this: any coach that has demographic requirements, restrictions, or reservations has no business coaching here (or almost anywhere else, for that matter).

As for a literal answer to your question: He graduated from Louisville, attended B-W, coached at Louisville as an assistant (1988-93(?)), Tuslaw (1994-99) and Louisville (since 2000). Those are all pretty racially homogenous environments. In fact, there wasn't a single black kid on Louisville's team last year.

On a more general note, I'll reiterate that Farrah graduated from Louisville. As such, it may take quite a bit to get him to leave there for anywhere. I have my own thoughts as to whether it would be worth it for us to make the effort. :wink:

Thank You for answering that question
I honestly didn't know.

[pup pounder]

Does anybody know how hometown boy Tim daniels coaching career is going? I think he's in Texas???

[LEOGER]

As you can see from my site name, I'm a Lousville alum turned tiger
LEOGER. I grew up in and all white community, school, church and friends
My father was very short sided as to race, religion and more. I questioned
these things as I grew to adulthood. I can say if I can be color blind and open to other ways coming from the town 20 miles east, so can a person
who wants to make a living working with the Massillon schools.

[CATS44]

Amid all the hyperbole on this thread, ObieWan and benchboss provided excellent posts. Congrats.

1) The decision in re Coach Stacy being renewed was made months ago. No formal vote has been made, because it is not time for a formal vote, but the decision has been made. All parties are handling it in the absolute best way possible....but time is beginning to be a factor.

2) The BGSU QB coaching position seems like a natural for Coach Stacy, but it would be a step down from both the Massillon job and his stint as the OC at Akron.

3) In spite of avowals that disagree, the Green job is an excellent opportunity for a football coach. The administration is football oriented. The new Super was himself a highly successful head coach, and you have to think that he would desire a successful football program and know what is needed to pull it off. Green is growing by leaps and bounds, and enjoys an enrollment advantage over most of its league competitors....and Green can pay top dollar. Someone who is looking at his retirement package down the road would be very interested in a position at Green. An overall package at Green might pay a lot more than the package for an assistant at a State University other than OSU.

4) It is my guess, and only a guess, that Green would want a coach who would give a personal guarantee that he wouldnt move on in a few years. That may be the fly in the ointment for a Green-Stacy marriage. Coach Stacy may have to give up his desire for a college position if he wants the Green job.

[Obie Wan]

3) In spite of avowals that disagree, the Green job is an excellent opportunity for a football coach. The administration is football oriented. The new Super was himself a highly successful head coach, and you have to think that he would desire a successful football program and know what is needed to pull it off. Green is growing by leaps and bounds, and enjoys an enrollment advantage over most of its league competitors....and Green can pay top dollar. Someone who is looking at his retirement package down the road would be very interested in a position at Green. An overall package at Green might pay a lot more than the package for an assistant at a State University other than OSU.
This is spot-on. I don't think Green would be a bad job at all. Given their demographics, Green could have the makings of another Solon.

4) It is my guess, and only a guess, that Green would want a coach who would give a personal guarantee that he wouldnt move on in a few years. That may be the fly in the ointment for a Green-Stacy marriage. Coach Stacy may have to give up his desire for a college position if he wants the Green job.
Let's be blunt: Stacy is of the age that he doesn't have too many career moves left. And at this point, he may quite reasonably decide that he'd rather be a head coach in high school than spend the rest of his days as a college assistant. Because frankly, he's probably not going to end up running a college program, and he may not want to spend the rest of his career fitting his ideas into someone else's schemes. And you know that when Brandon leaves BG, he would be gone as well. Finally, Stacy may well pull a Maronto or Belichick: take a job or two to find his stride. The guy's not an idiot -- he might put it all together and do some great things at Green.

Add it all up (money, control, security, no relocation, etc.) , and it may well be that the Green position is much the better of the two opportunities.

[#56tigerdad]

If indeed Stacy is gone. I have an idea. Dont hire any coach and just let the know it alls on this site have a chance. Put names in a hat and draw out each week a head coach, off coord, def coord, etc. Step up and prove you know way more then the next guy. The school board can then hire you as the next head coach.

[mtigers4real]

If indeed Stacy is gone. I have an idea. Dont hire any coach and just let the know it alls on this site have a chance. Put names in a hat and draw out each week a head coach, off coord, def coord, etc. Step up and prove you know way more then the next guy. The school board can then hire you as the next head coach.

That's kinda like the Stacy approach was this year... 2 quarterbacks... different team captains every week... how'd that work out?

[cat]

56 tigerdad, GREAT POST! I would like to know how many critics on here actually wore and played for the Tigers??? Obie Wan... Mass Cath... You two are jokes and part of the negative reason Massillon does not improve, but fall behind. I don't think Paul F. wants anything to do with this program because of this negativity. Again, may the Lord help the next Massillon head coach. :thanx:

[RRanger]

Green is an AWFUL job.

The parent involvement at Green is worse than in Jackson Twp.

The parents at Green have successfully ran two quality coaches out of the head coaching position during the last 20 years.

Joe Homoney and Eldon Vickers were hand cuffed by the insurgent parents in Green.

Lets hope this all ends with Tom being renewed at Massillon with a 5 year deal for some long term stability. This is the best way to get back to the title game, or did we forget he's only 1 of 2 coaches in over 30 years to make it to the state finals as well as consistently beat McK?

I agree, we need a coach,that is willing to stay, let's say five more year's and yes,i like TOM GO TIGER'S

[CATS44]

The know it alls have been running the program for years....and they arent from this board...lol.

I have a better suggestion:

Choose five to seven real FOOTBALL people to do a search and hire, based upon FOOTBALL reasons.

I submitted a list of FOOTBALL people who would make a good group. They have knowledge of football, vast insight into the Massillon program, and contacts all over the state.

If such a group was in charge of hiring a football coach, I would sit back and watch without comment, because whomever they chose would be the very best coach we could get.

Some names on that list:

John Muhlbach
Steve Luke
Mike Currence
Butch Hose
Joe Studer
Tim Manion
Mike Babics
Tim Ridgely
Ben Bradley
Maybe even Monte...really. A younger perspective.

That group would be able to get credible information on EVERY coach in the state. It is connected to the vast grapevine that coaches have, and to OSU. They know the ins and outs of Massillon. The group has head coaching experience, know the feeder system, know how to BUILD and MAINTAIN a program. They know their way around the college recruiting game.

As a group they have experience with the successful eras of Strang, Bruce, Commings, Currence, and Owens. They know what worked, and what didnt.

Unfortunately, because such a group would make a hire based upon football only, we wont see it happen.

[massillon catholic]

The know it alls have been running the program for years....and they arent from this board...lol.

I have a better suggestion:

Choose five to seven real FOOTBALL people to do a search and hire, based upon FOOTBALL reasons.

I submitted a list of FOOTBALL people who would make a good group. They have knowledge of football, vast insight into the Massillon program, and contacts all over the state.

If such a group was in charge of hiring a football coach, I would sit back and watch without comment, because whomever they chose would be the very best coach we could get.

Some names on that list:

John Muhlbach
Steve Luke
Mike Currence
Butch Hose
Joe Studer
Tim Manion
Mike Babics
Tim Ridgely
Ben Bradley
Maybe even Monte...really. A younger perspective.

That group would be able to get credible information on EVERY coach in the state. It is connected to the vast grapevine that coaches have, and to OSU. They know the ins and outs of Massillon. The group has head coaching experience, know the feeder system, know how to BUILD and MAINTAIN a program. They know their way around the college recruiting game.

As a group they have experience with the successful eras of Strang, Bruce, Commings, Currence, and Owens. They know what worked, and what didnt.

Unfortunately, because such a group would make a hire based upon football only, we wont see it happen.


They did this when owens and rose was hired. Neither of which were the committee's first choice. I'm just glad our new Super doesnt have a first name of Al, those two did a lot of damage.

[Obie Wan]

I don't think
The one part of your post that makes sense.

Or, I could point out some of your previous comments:
- " I still cannot believe they would select Ridgley over Shoe."
- "This school district is a JOKE!"
- "...we have turned into a laughing stock, not only in Stark Co., but the whole damn state."
- "Bring back some of the run n' boot. A & B backs with Herring and Torrence. They would be in the backfield at the same time and both are decent blockers. Dingler and Arnold on quick side line. Run basic misdirection plays... quick traps, Gaps, dives. Add a few QB boots and sweeps. The passing game then feeds off the misdirection and boot action. Put a few TE throw back passes."
- "Would like to see Rose on D-line/end. Think he would do well there."
- " Not too happy about the quote from Stacy regarding Coach Page. Sounded very UNPROFESSIONAL... A little tact and manors coach!"
- "The players now are SOFT!"

Let's see: you don't like the district, you don't like the BOE, you think we're an embarrassment, you don't like the offensive set, you don't like the offensive personnel, you don't like the defensive personnel, you're unhappy with the way Stacy presents himself in public, and the players are soft.

And you criticize someone else for being negative?

Pound sand.

And while he's pounding, the rest of you should heed CATS44's advice on how to select a new coach. Those who think they have a better way -- or think that they are better qualified to select a coach -- are focused on nothing more than their own egos. They have no business around our program, irrespective of the positions they may have held, the back rooms into which they may have been allowed, or the gifts they may have brought in the past.

[Kamd50]

Much of that depends on certifications, needs (always flexible :wink:), attrition, union contracts, etc. The greater point is that we will almost certainly have a lot more flexibility in this area than McKinley will.

According to this article in today's paper, it would seem that CCS's are managing to come up with some creative ways of their own in order to make an attractive offer to prospective coaches.

ie: "Maybe the best news for fans is the district, Evans-Gardell said, will do whatever it has to hire the right coach. There has been some speculation that Canton City’s fiscal rupture would require the district to hire a coach on staff, or a veteran coach who has retired and is interested in coaching again for a stipend.

The superintendent said none of that is true. The teachers’ union contract calls for administration to consider internal applicants first.

“Everything we do centers around money right now,” she said. “It’s tough. That doesn’t mean we can’t hire the coach we think is fabulous. We have the McKinley job posted as a teacher on special assignment. ...
“... We’re going to look at outside applicants. There has been a lot of interest around the McKinley position, and we’ve had external applicants interested in Timken also.”

There is good reason to believe the next coach will, indeed, come from outside the district. .........................
The position seems to be written for an external candidate. The next head coach at McKinley will be a “teacher on special assignment,” receive a coaching stipend and another stipend to be the assistant to director of physical facilities, Lynn Wafler.

“When you combine the two stipends, I believe it will be an attractive position,” Evans-Gardell said. “We’ve talked about it time and time again: Getting the right person in here is critical at this juncture. ..........

for complete article:http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=396961&Category=17&subCategoryID=0

[man2man]

At this point it would seem unlikely that Stacy will ever actually interview for the Green position.

Since the Green position has been open for so long it would appear that he probably applied for that position before the Bowling Green job became available.

We know that he interviewed for the BG job and I will be surprised if he is not announced as their new Quarterback Coach as soon as it is legally permitted!

As a State School they must post the position for 30 days.....a time period that I believe expires during the first week of February.

Green actually would be an excellent position for him if the BG opening had not presented itself, or if ( and I do not believe this to be the case ) he would happen to not be chosen for the college position.

As an Bowling Green Graduate with a proven track record as a very successful
Mid-American Quarterback Coach at The University of Akron, and a former resident and High School Coach in the area he is an absolute natural for the BG position.

Taking the above into consideration it is extremely hard not to believe all of the recent ( I just heard it again this week ) reports that T/S has indeed been selected for the QB Coach at BG University and that the
announcement will be forthcoming shortly.

Personally, I hope for Tom's sake that these reports prove accurate as he is a good person at heart and is deserving of the position.

There is a BIG difference between being a great Assistant Coach and being the Head Coach at a pressure packed position like Massillon.

Having said that I also happen to believe that if the BG position would for some surprising reason not present itself, the Green Job would be a great fit for both parties.

A large fast growing surburban school district that is with-in easy driving from his current residence, and coaching in a very competitive league without the extreme pressure of a Massillon would, in my opinion, be a perfect High School fit of Tom and his family.

IMO, his coaching style and a return to the Run-an-Boot Offense that he helped to develope for Lee Owens would be perfect for the Green Bulldogs and their fans!

Either way I suspect that there will be an announcement forthcoming shortly and that we will be in the market for a new Head Football Coach!

I also happen to agree with Obie Wan with regards to the way that this entire situation appears to have been handled by the Massillon BOE. What would be gained by disgracing or embarassing a good man by firing him.... except to further blemish our district with another Black Eye.

Excellent post. Many good points and better substance than most of the drivel.

I was part of a very interesting discussion with several coaches this weekend. They are current coaching in Stark County. And if what they said was accurate, you people on here have no clue as to what has happened or of the perception of this job by many coaches. I will say this much - the idea that the BGSU or Green jobs are such a step down would be debated by many.

[CarlE]

I will say this much - the idea that the BGSU or Green jobs are such a step down would be debated by many.

Well, those "many" don't EVER have to worry about being interviewed for the job. And I doubt the accuracy of your statement anyway.

[austinsm11]

And if what they said was accurate, you people on here have no clue as to what has happened.

Why do you need to hear from other Stark County coaches what happened? Doesn't Stacy tell you while you are getting his coffee?

[Paul Brown]

Why do you need to hear from other Stark County coaches what happened? Doesn't Stacy tell you while you are getting his coffee?

No. Afterwards when he's shining his shoes.

[TigerBuckeye313]

Does anybody know how hometown boy Tim daniels coaching career is going? I think he's in Texas???

Tim Daniels is coaching in Tennessee.

[massillon catholic]

Well, those "many" don't EVER have to worry about being interviewed for the job. And I doubt the accuracy of your statement anyway.


Welcome back Carl.

[massillon catholic]

Welcome back Carl.

Here we go again!

[cat]

Obie wan, your the BEST...:jestera:

[massillon catholic]

Obie wan, your the BEST...:jestera:

Defeated by your own words:thanx:

[Kamd50]

Here we go again!

funny, I was thinking the exact same thing:cool:

[Obie Wan]

funny, I was thinking the exact same thing:cool:
That's why you make the big money.

[Red50Go]

Well, those "many" don't EVER have to worry about being interviewed for the job. And I doubt the accuracy of your statement anyway.

Lol. Exactly.

For such a terrible place, if they have NOT interviewed here, or inquired here, assisted here, began their careers here, or have family here, I could see why they're bitter. Cuz everyone else in Stark sure has.

[reofan82]

Fred Blosser has already retired once and his stint in Massillon was icing on the cake. Why would he want to stay around when he sees that a small group of people are in control of everything that goes on in the district? You have some board members, money people, and boosters who want to control all hiring and policy of the district. How do you think we have a new Supt. without the position even being posted? Do you think he might have been chosen by the select group, because they are certain he will go along with them without question?

I think it is pretty obvious Fred B was a supporter of Coach Stacy and realized his opinion didn't matter, which probably means the Coach is done. Which, is a blessing in disguise for him. Coaching at Green or Bowling Green is a better fit for him. The notion that Green is a bad job especially compared to Massillon is silly. Insurgent parents? Massillon has a self appointed committee who sees fit do whatever THEY feel is best. Massillon also has people who think it's 30 years ago and cannot understand why we don't get the same results as back then.

Like many people, I have had my doubts about Coach Stacy being the right fit for Massillon. There were issues he didn't handle well and some problems were fairly obvious to most. However, was the coach made aware of those things? Was he given a chance to correct the problems? Was he given a chance to explain his side of certain issues? I'm guessing probably not, and like him or not, that is not fair.

When we do get a new coach, we all need to understand that he needs to be given a chance to stay long term to get the results we all want. The days of a coach coming in for three or four years, winning a championship, and moving on are OVER. Look at Thom Mc at Mckinley. For years fans over there called for his head. He and the Mckinley administration stayed strong and look at the outcome. When a coach stands up for himself and stays strong here, he is pummled and the administration cowers to all the "power players" and he is gone.

If Coach Stacy is gone, you can believe the select group has the next person picked and the process in place. Oh, they will do the dog and pony show, but the outcome is set. By the way, this is how you got your last four Superintendents, except this time they didn't even bother with the dog and pony show. You can speculate on this website all you want about who the next coach will be, but make no mistake, the select group could not care less about what you think.

[CarlE]

There are some valid points in your post. However, there are some ludicrous ones as well. For instance, to think that the Green job is comparable to Massillon is not silly, it's downright ludicrous. A better fit for Coach Stacy? Maybe, only he can be the judge of that. As far as handling problems, you say there were problems he "might not be aware of". He's been here three dang years. How could he NOT be aware of the problems. Burying your head in the sand to AVOID confrontation is much different than not being aware of the the problems.

I absolutely agree that we have to get out of this exercise of pretending to put these committees together to pick coaches when in fact everyone KNOWS that is not the case. I also agree that we have to find a LONG-TERM COACH AND STICK WITH THEM!! Once again, I go back to the fact that Coach Stacy has never been nothing but honest on his plan to stay here 2-3 years and move on to college. Nothing at all wrong with that. For those that condemn him for that you are absolutely WRONG. Condemn the ones that picked him knowing that was his plan from day one.

For all the bad things that have happened, Coach Stacy has handled himself with class during very trying periods. I for one wish him the best in whatever his future endeavors become. Perhaps, though he could pick some of the people that publicly support him a little better than he does. They do him NO favors.

[reofan82]

I wasn't really saying that Coach Stacy's plan of staying three to four years and then going to college was wrong. He was honest to tell the board that from the start. My point was we have many people in the community who still think that way about all coaches who come here, whether that was the candidates stated goal or not.
Those days are over.

I believe Massillon is still one of the top jobs in Ohio, but we have a community that is not growing and a small group of people who refuse to listen to the opinions of others, unless they are words of agreement. In Green, you have a community that is growing and seems to be more open to change. I am familar with the Supt. there and he is a fine leader and a strong believer in doing what is right for the kids, which is not always the case in Massillon.

As far as avoiding confrontation by Coach Stacy, when you know that the administration and BOE will not back you and cower to some special interests groups that are constantly complaining and sometimes making issues when nothing is there, avoiding confrontation is the only thing to do. My concern was that the Coach was given a chance to correct the legitimate concerns and was given a fair chance. Do you think that is likely?

[man2man]

Fred Blosser has already retired once and his stint in Massillon was icing on the cake. Why would he want to stay around when he sees that a small group of people are in control of everything that goes on in the district? You have some board members, money people, and boosters who want to control all hiring and policy of the district. How do you think we have a new Supt. without the position even being posted? Do you think he might have been chosen by the select group, because they are certain he will go along with them without question?

I think it is pretty obvious Fred B was a supporter of Coach Stacy and realized his opinion didn't matter, which probably means the Coach is done. Which, is a blessing in disguise for him. Coaching at Green or Bowling Green is a better fit for him. The notion that Green is a bad job especially compared to Massillon is silly. Insurgent parents? Massillon has a self appointed committee who sees fit do whatever THEY feel is best. Massillon also has people who think it's 30 years ago and cannot understand why we don't get the same results as back then.

Like many people, I have had my doubts about Coach Stacy being the right fit for Massillon. There were issues he didn't handle well and some problems were fairly obvious to most. However, was the coach made aware of those things? Was he given a chance to correct the problems? Was he given a chance to explain his side of certain issues? I'm guessing probably not, and like him or not, that is not fair.

Reo - you have many excellent points, and your posts are closer to the truth than most. And I'm sure for this you will be villified.

I think most reasonable people would admit that the real problem is not this coach, or the next coach, or the last coach. It's the ones who put them there and feel they have all rights to do whatever they wish.

When a coach is told to do certain things, does them, and then is crucified for doing them with no support from the ones who told him in the first place, it's a bad situation.

Coach Stacy is a decent and classy man, and will never go public with the specifics of what he has experienced.

And one thing you are 100% correct about - the true "insiders" don't care what anyone else may think and laugh behind closed doors at the rest of us.

[Tiger54]

It's quite possible that the BOE has made a decision, and that decision has been communicated to Stacy. They're under no obligation to tell us anything, and there's no benefit to anyone to have a public non-renewal. It would be far better to allow Stacy the opportunity to find new employment and thank him for his service when he does so. There's no reason at all to make a public show out of firing him.

Having said that, there is a point at which the course of civility becomes counter-productive. If Stacy is leaving, I would hope that he does so within the next few weeks, as it is important that we not wait too long to hire his successor. If he's not coming back, and if he has not announced his resignation by then, then we should craft a diplomatic and respectful announcement and begin the search for the new coach.
Yours is, by far, the most intelligent message I have seen on here relative to this topic. Duh. . . maybe the decision HAS been made, and communicated to the subject---it's just that the public has not been informed at this point.

[Red50Go]

reofan82, I also agree on alot of that but honestly, our problems last year & the year before were his alone. Stacy received almost limitless support and resources. Much like Owens. He had no adm. duties, hand selected a staff, got tremendous booster & adm. support. He has to take ownership. This is in no way comparable to our previous coach and his final year or 2, or like Currence for example. This is more like the Rose or Moronto situation.

Now obviously player parents and "meddlers" are a thorn, but they've always been there and always will, and is something anyone has to deal w/. Some do it MUCH better than others.

But what we see now is the realization that we DO need a long term solution. For sure a stubbornly new concept, and a challenge for ALL of us, and everything you say applies. The other realization is Stacy is NOT a long term solution, by his own admission. At best we could get 1 more year. I dont see ANY advantage to that, do you?

[Tiger54]

Actually MC, according to some in political positions, The Massillon Tigers could be changed the the 'David Tigers'. Apparently, 'the David Philosophy' was the reason that Blosser stepped down. He didn't want any part of it.

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And what, pray tell, is the "David Philosophy?" You must remember that the Davids have been long-time Massillon (Tiger) people, actually for years and years; how long and how involved has Mr. Blosser been a "Massillon person?" If I remember correctly, this is the man that was going to make the Massillon district the best school district in the state and then one short year later, he resigns. Did he ever move to Massillon with his big salary? So let's think a little bit before we take sides on this statement.

[Tiger54]

Amid all the hyperbole on this thread, ObieWan and benchboss provided excellent posts. Congrats.

1) The decision in re Coach Stacy being renewed was made months ago. No formal vote has been made, because it is not time for a formal vote, but the decision has been made. All parties are handling it in the absolute best way possible....but time is beginning to be a factor.

2) The BGSU QB coaching position seems like a natural for Coach Stacy, but it would be a step down from both the Massillon job and his stint as the OC at Akron.

3) In spite of avowals that disagree, the Green job is an excellent opportunity for a football coach. The administration is football oriented. The new Super was himself a highly successful head coach, and you have to think that he would desire a successful football program and know what is needed to pull it off. Green is growing by leaps and bounds, and enjoys an enrollment advantage over most of its league competitors....and Green can pay top dollar. Someone who is looking at his retirement package down the road would be very interested in a position at Green. An overall package at Green might pay a lot more than the package for an assistant at a State University other than OSU.

4) It is my guess, and only a guess, that Green would want a coach who would give a personal guarantee that he wouldnt move on in a few years. That may be the fly in the ointment for a Green-Stacy marriage. Coach Stacy may have to give up his desire for a college position if he wants the Green job.
And if you remember, Coach Lee Owens lived in Green and his son played football there---so it can't be too bad, can it? And there was a big connection between Stacy and Owens, wasn't there?

[The Butler]

Here is the list of 15 coaches that will be interviewed:

Beau Balderson
Shawn Billker
David Brausch
Tim Budd
Paul Dorando
David Everson
Keith Grabowski
Kevin Maltarich
Erich Muzi
Chris Solis
John Slusser
Brian Spicer
Tom Stacy
David Stupka
Don Wilson

http://www.cantonrep.com/blogs/?p=323

[CarlE]

My oh my. From the coach of the Massillon Tigers to being in a line-up like the one above. Unbelievable.

[slob55]

Tim Daniels is coaching in Tennessee.

He's won coach of the year in Tennessee numerous times.

[SternRulz]

Green is an AWFUL job.

The parent involvement at Green is worse than in Jackson Twp.

The parents at Green have successfully ran two quality coaches out of the head coaching position during the last 20 years.

Joe Homoney and Eldon Vickers were hand cuffed by the insurgent parents in Green.

Lets hope this all ends with Tom being renewed at Massillon with a 5 year deal for some long term stability. This is the best way to get back to the title game, or did we forget he's only 1 of 2 coaches in over 30 years to make it to the state finals as well as consistently beat McK?

2 coaches in the last 20 years? Probably sounds like a dream job to him.

[massillon catholic]

Here is the list of 15 coaches that will be interviewed:

Beau Balderson
Shawn Billker
David Brausch
Tim Budd
Paul Dorando
David Everson
Keith Grabowski
Kevin Maltarich
Erich Muzi
Chris Solis
John Slusser
Brian Spicer
Tom Stacy
David Stupka
Don Wilson

http://www.cantonrep.com/blogs/?p=323

Sounds like the Who's Not Who of High School Football Coaches.

[The Butler]

More info on each of the applicants:

http://www.cantonrep.com/blogs/?p=329

[massillon catholic]

More info on each of the applicants:

http://www.cantonrep.com/blogs/?p=329


I'd stay away with the coach from Shelby, doesnt prepare you well for DI. Also, the guy at Ridgewood already accepted another job then backed-out saying he couldnt leave his players.

[Kamd50]

More info on each of the applicants:

http://www.cantonrep.com/blogs/?p=329

Thanks, I was wondering about Spicer.