Rich Rodriguez move to Michigan leaves some hard feelings and a mess behind in West V

[Kamd50]

Rich Rodriguez move to Michigan leaves some hard feelings and a mess behind in West Virginia

Excerpt...."less than 24 hours after leaving for Michigan, the folks in tiny Grant Town had removed the highway signs advertising the West Virginia hamlet as the football coach's hometown.

If that wasn't enough, some unhappy fans gave him more clues when they hung disparaging signs on a fence at his home and tossed a mailbox into the yard. There were death threats against some of his relatives, and online communities were formed simply for the pleasure of being able to write expletives in front of his name.
People heckled him at the airport, the governor expressed outrage, and the state filed suit asking for the $4 million Rodriguez promised to pay back if he should ever leave the University of West Virginia."..............

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=338198

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

West Virginia fans need to be thankful for the seven years that Rodriguez was able to coach. It's not easy coaching college football at your alma mater and for the fans to treat him like this is just mere stupidity and a slap to his face.

First, they threaten the life of the kicker, who missed three field goals in a loss to Pitt and now this.

Respect for their fans is now gone. Opinion speaking here, they were the best fans in the Big East. Now they are nothing but a batch of know-it-alls.

Rodriguez will continue the Michigan tradition of winning! Best wishes to him at UM!

[SuperBran]

Kamd50,

West Virginia fans need to be thankful for the seven years that Rodriguez was able to coach. It's not easy coaching college football at your alma mater and for the fans to treat him like this is just mere stupidity and a slap to his face.

First, they threaten the life of the kicker, who missed three field goals in a loss to Pitt and now this.

Respect for their fans is now gone. Opinion speaking here, they were the best fans in the Big East. Now they are nothing but a batch of know-it-alls.

Rodriguez will continue the Michigan tradition of winning! Best wishes to him at UM!

it works both ways. how about all those files in his office just disappearing?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Those files sum everything up: Rodriguez is no longer the leader at West Virginia. Bill Stewart can get them himself...he's the head coach.

[warren1st]

Maybe Ohio should annex WV and then there would be more people to hate UM!!:jestera:

[LLRose]

Rodriguez got in my opinion the top young defensive coordinator in the county.

Coach Rod's offense and Shafer's defense will be an absolutely awesome combination.

As a Buckeye fan I'm looking forward to the rivalry once again......................This won't be the soft Lloyd Cooper Wolverines Tressel dominated the last 6 years

[Tiger2001]

Other than the death threats and destruction of personal property I think he desreves eveything he gets.

[warren1st]

Rodriguez got in my opinion the top young defensive coordinator in the county.

Coach Rod's offense and Shafer's defense will be an absolutely awesome combination.

As a Buckeye fan I'm looking forward to the rivalry once again......................This won't be the soft Lloyd Cooper Wolverines Tressel dominated the last 6 years
Yep, there should be a new 10 year War!!

[CarlE]

Yep, there should be a new 10 year War!!

I don't hate them. I just pity them for the fact they had to compromise their morals to hire this pompous jack-ass. Classless AND unethical.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

West Virginia fans have come down with the case summing their mood as "awfully, nasty, gnashing, radically, yacking, jealous, appalled, yanked, notably, embittered"......known as "Angry Jayne" (see 2nd grader suspended for drawing gun thread).

Good thing Michigan fans have never resorted to that kind of behavior. Rodriguez needs to schedule them......just because he was the head coach of WVU doesn't mean he can't sink their ship in the field of battle.

When was the last time Michigan fans ever became "Angry Jayne"? NEVER!

[LLRose]

WVU fans are awful. I attended a game 15 years ago to watch a former high school teammate play at WVU. The team came in undefeated and lost to WVU. The fans were classless to the parents and fans after knocking them off.

U of M better get ready for a huge ego. It will be interesting to see if his backwoods style will work in liberal Ann Arbor.

He can't fall back on the old MICHIGAN MAN crap UM fans eat up.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Michigan fans are angels! They will treat Coach Rodriguez with the respect that West Virginia fans have forgotten about.

Take the Mills Lane approach to this: What West Virginia fans have done to Rodriguez is not acceptable. It's boldly, unacceptable, livid, lewd, stupid, hotly, incinerated, trash!

[warren1st]

I don't hate them. I just pity them for the fact they had to compromise their morals to hire this pompous jack-ass. Classless AND unethical.How in the world did Michigan compromise their morals.

Guys, get a grip. Sure it's nasty but that's the way of big time college football,

I think we got a heck of a coach who eventually should and will put the fear of God back into tOSU football program.

[warren1st]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/01/18/wvu.rodriguez/index.html

See what you think after reading this link.

[CarlE]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/01/18/wvu.rodriguez/index.html

See what you think after reading this link.

I think Stewart Mandel's an ass.

[austinsm11]

The school slapped the guy with a $4 million lawsuit and made sure ESPN knew about it before he did.
Would that be kind of like how RR made sure Pryor knew about him leaving before telling West Virginia?

Besides, RR had said that he wasn't going to pay. Why does he not have to pay? After paying that 4 million, I wonder how much better off he will really be financially.

WV was the dream job for RR. How would you feel if Les Miles had come home to his dream job. Then a few years later he left for USC for more money?


I will say that the people at WV need to get over it. Stewart did a very good job in their huge win in the Fiesta Bowl and will hopefully make them forget about RR.

[austinsm11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3203505

Among the incentives he reached this season was a one-time $150,000 payment for winning the Big East championship and receiving a Bowl Championship Series berth, and $25,000 for finishing in the top 10.

Rodriguez's contract stipulated that WVU had 30 days from his resignation to make the payment. Rodriguez took over at Michigan on Dec. 16 and his resignation at WVU was effective three days later.


This makes WV look much better than RR, imo. They paid their money and RR hasn't. THey could have just kept it and told RR that he still owed the rest of the $3.7 million

[warren1st]

I think Stewart Mandel's an ass.

Well, gee, CarlE, why am I not surprised at your comments?

[proud to be]

How in the world did Michigan compromise their morals.

Guys, get a grip. Sure it's nasty but that's the way of big time college football,

I think we got a heck of a coach who eventually should and will put the fear of God back into tOSU football program.

No disrespect Warren, but I seem to remember you being very unhappy at the beginning of this. You didn't get the coach you wanted, but how quickly you change your tune, and spout the "Company Line".

It is what it is.... if the guy's got no integrity, putting on the Urine and Blue doesn't make him a great man...

JMHO

[warren1st]

WV was the dream job for RR. How would you feel if Les Miles had come home to his dream job. Then a few years later he left for USC for more money?




WVU is NOT on the same tier as Michigan. Sorry, but it's true.

UM did about everything humanly possible to get Les Miles. He spurned Michigan. What do you want them to do?

If he had come to UM and later left for USC, I'd say to heck with him and get on with my life.

[warren1st]

No disrespect Warren, but I seem to remember you being very unhappy at the beginning of this. You didn't get the coach you wanted, but how quickly you change your tune, and spout the "Company Line".

It is what it is.... if the guy's got no integrity, putting on the Urine and Blue doesn't make him a great man...

JMHO

Sure, I wanted Miles badly. But, for whatever reason it wasn't meant to be.

I didn't think RR was available and he is 10 years younger.

[austinsm11]

WVU is NOT on the same tier as Michigan. Sorry, but it's true.

UM did about everything humanly possible to get Les Miles. He spurned Michigan. What do you want them to do?

If he had come to UM and later left for USC, I'd say to heck with him and get on with my life.

I never said that WV was on the same tier (and Michigan isn't the same tier it used to be either)....but it was his "dream job" just as Michigan was the dream job for Miles.

I think you would hear alot from Michigan fans if the same thing happened and Miles left for USC....much more than saying the heck with him and moving on.


Speaking of "moving on"....how long did it take many Michigan fans to move on about the fact that Miles wouldn't be coming home.

[warren1st]

Austin- Someday the truth will come out as to WHY Miles did not become the UM coach. I'm going to see Lloyd Carr tonight and if the opportunity is "right", I'm going to ask him.

Michigan's not what they used to be? The last losing season was 1967. A year ago they were 11-2 I believe.

Let me also say that you folks are hearing only the WVU side of the story. As they say, there are two sides to every story.

Also, his football programs have always been squeaky clean as has Michigan's.

[Kamd50]

Ex-W.Va. coach says fallout over departure is 'ridiculous'
http://www.mlive.com/sportsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/sports-27/1200599137120520.xml&storylist=michigansports

[austinsm11]

Austin- Someday the truth will come out as to WHY Miles did not become the UM coach. I'm going to see Lloyd Carr tonight and if the opportunity is "right", I'm going to ask him.

Michigan's not what they used to be? The last losing season was 1967. A year ago they were 11-2 I believe.

Let me also say that you folks are hearing only the WVU side of the story. As they say, there are two sides to every story.

Also, his football programs have always been squeaky clean as has Michigan's.

I agree that there is much more to the Miles situation than we know about. I would be careful about asking Carr since he doesn't seem to like Miles.

Although Michigan is still a great program, I think most will agree that it isn't what it used to be. If it was, why did several coaches turn the job down?

I'm not sure what having a losing season 40 years ago has to do with it. They finally won a bowl game after how many years. Over the last 10 years they have averaged just over 3 losses per year. Hopefully RR can get them turned around, but I know that I wouldn't be satisfied with that statistic.

[austinsm11]

Marv Robon of Maumee, Ohio, one of Rodriguez's attorneys, said when Rodriguez took over for the retired Lloyd Carr at Michigan, "there was not one piece of paper" in his new office.

That is really believable.

[CarlE]

Austin- Someday the truth will come out as to WHY Miles did not become the UM coach. I'm going to see Lloyd Carr tonight and if the opportunity is "right", I'm going to ask him.



Does this sound ANYTHING like another similar scenario on here?? (man2idiot and Coach Stacy).

Sorry Warren1st, I just could NOT resist that one. And I certainly apologize for putting you in the same category as num-nuts.

[austinsm11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3205142

Former West Virginia offensive coordinator Calvin Magee has launched another salvo in the controversy that has followed coach Rich Rodriguez's departure to Michigan.
According to Mike Brown, Magee's agent, in a story published Sunday in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, a WVU administrator told Magee that he would not be a candidate to replace Rodriguez and pointed to Magee's black skin as explanation.
Brown -- who is also Rodriguez's agent -- told ESPN.com that the administrator "is in a position to know it's true."


Magee also told Post-Gazette staff writer Chuck Finder that West Virginia athletic director Ed Pastilong, after receiving an inquiry from the Black Coaches Association about minority candidates for the head coaching position, told Magee on Dec. 21 that an interview "wouldn't mean much." Magee said that he replied that he had no interest in "a meaningless interview."
Pastilong disputed Magee's version of events to the Post-Gazette. Pastilong said that when he discussed the job with Magee, Pastilong believed that Magee already had decided to move to Michigan with Rodriguez. He had reason to believe it -- when Michigan named Rodriguez as its coach on Dec. 18, Magee traveled with Rodriguez to Ann Arbor and was introduced by him at the news conference.
But Magee, said Brown, went to Ann Arbor because of the comment from the unnamed administrator telling him he had no chance to replace Rodriguez.

[warren1st]

Does this sound ANYTHING like another similar scenario on here?? (man2idiot and Coach Stacy).

Sorry Warren1st, I just could NOT resist that one. And I certainly apologize for putting you in the same category as num-nuts.

CarlE - you know I wouldn't really ask him that!!:wink:

Btw, he looks 15 years younger. The pressure is trememdous on these coaches.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

West Virginia fans are classless, two-faced, deceiving, know-it-alls. The gall of them to mistreat Mr. Rodriguez the way they are right now is classless. And then to threaten him and his family...on top of that...it's ridiculous.

Michigan fans never do this kind of thing to anyone. And West Virginia isn't nowhere on Michigan's level! Demeaning, arrogant, mean, nasty morons.........

[austinsm11]

http://forums.bucknuts.com/showthread.php?t=17887

In talking the other day to one of the coaches at Josh Jenkins' high school, he said when Rich Rodriguez was at West Virginia he indicated to the coaches at Jenkins' school that they should not let coaches from other schools in to see Jenkins. As the coach at Parkersburg put it, Rodriguez wanted us to lock the doors to coaches outside WVU. The Parkersburg coach of course said that would not have been fair to Jenkins.

[warren1st]

http://forums.bucknuts.com/showthread.php?t=17887

Wow, from Bucknuts. It must be the absolute gospel!!

There has never been a hint of impropriety on RR's recruiting or program. Lord, what the Buckeyes won't do to besmirch a Michigan guy!!!!:furious:

[austinsm11]

Austin- Someday the truth will come out as to WHY Miles did not become the UM coach.

I have read a couple places (rumors at this point) where Miles could be in some trouble for recruiting violations and that is why Michigan backed off. It will be interesting if this story develops.

[austinsm11]

There has never been a hint of impropriety on RR's recruiting or program.

Really? So contacting a prized recruit first about going to Michigan before his boss or anyone else seems ethical to you?

[austinsm11]

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/annarbornews/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1200671331161910.xml&coll=2

What he still doesn't seem to get, though, is that the main reason he's being smeared is because he behaved so poorly on his way out as West Virginia football coach.
Michigan fans want to overlook that. They want to circle the wagons around their guy, even though he's a guy they hardly know.
If you're inclined to do that, if you believe Rodriguez is in the right, and deserves the benefit of the doubt, ask yourself how you'd feel if the tables were turned.

[monte81]

Really? So contacting a prized recruit first about going to Michigan before his boss or anyone else seems ethical to you?

Not defending RR but his job is to bring in the best possible talent to UM and win football games and graduate his players. RR contacting Pryor informing him that he was taking the job is how it works. Dantonio took his recruits from UC to MSU and noone said a word about it last off season. Ultimately it is the players choice to attend a school! Pryor was not going to WVU if Pat White was staying anyway.

tressel told Pryor that he would implement the spread offense for him if he goes to OSU! Wouldn't you consider that dumping on the QB recruits and players already on the roster?

Every coach plays recruiting games and either coach (JT or RR)broke NCAA rules by doing what they did.

[austinsm11]

Not defending RR but his job is to bring in the best possible talent to UM and win football games and graduate his players. RR contacting Pryor informing him that he was taking the job is how it works. Dantonio took his recruits from UC to MSU and noone said a word about it last off season. Ultimately it is the players choice to attend a school! Pryor was not going to WVU if Pat White was staying anyway.

tressel told Pryor that he would implement the spread offense for him if he goes to OSU! Wouldn't you consider that dumping on the QB recruits and players already on the roster?

Every coach plays recruiting games and either coach (JT or RR)broke NCAA rules by doing what they did.

You are completely missing the point. Pryor following RR to Michigan is not the issue. He must like him as a coach to change schools. That is fine.

It is completely fine for RR to contact Pryor to tell him that he is switching schools...The problem is that he called Pryor while technically still employed by WV. The problem is that RR doesn't have the balls to resign in person and sends a graduate assistant to do this...all after contacting Pryor.

[warren1st]

You are completely missing the point. Pryor following RR to Michigan is not the issue. He must like him as a coach to change schools. That is fine.

It is completely fine for RR to contact Pryor to tell him that he is switching schools...The problem is that he called Pryor while technically still employed by WV. The problem is that RR doesn't have the balls to resign in person and sends a graduate assistant to do this...all after contacting Pryor.

You do NOT know that to be true. You are going on what posters say from WVU, OSU and, yes, there are Michigan writers who despise UM (like Drew Sharp of the Free Press and Jim Carty of the AA News.)

Let's be fair and wait 'til the dust settles. OK?

[SuperBran]

You do NOT know that to be true. You are going on what posters say from WVU, OSU and, yes, there are Michigan writers who despise UM (like Drew Sharp of the Free Press and Jim Carty of the AA News.)

Let's be fair and wait 'til the dust settles. OK?

so let me get this straight.........you want to wait until the dust settles b/c no one really knows what's going on. that's fair enough to me. however, if that's the case, then anyone accusing RR of wrongdoing has just as much right to make statements based on their speculation as you do when you say "There has never been a hint of impropriety on RR's recruiting or program."

if you want to attack their comments and say that they really don't know what is or is not true, that's fine. but don't go around making statements such as the one quoted above when you're clueless as to what's going on as well. you're speculating just as much as they are.

[warren1st]

so let me get this straight.........you want to wait until the dust settles b/c no one really knows what's going on. that's fair enough to me. however, if that's the case, then anyone accusing RR of wrongdoing has just as much right to make statements based on their speculation as you do when you say "There has never been a hint of impropriety on RR's recruiting or program."

if you want to attack their comments and say that they really don't know what is or is not true, that's fine. but don't go around making statements such as the one quoted above when you're clueless as to what's going on as well. you're speculating just as much as they are.

I really don't appreciate being called clueless,buddy. His record speaks for itself. It does NOT need a pundit or poster to stick up for it.

You show me ANYTHING that smacks of nefarious recruiting or anything else! If it was there, UM would NOT have hired him.

Again, his record speaks for itself.

[SuperBran]

I really don't appreciate being called clueless,buddy.

good for you. the truth, however, is that you have no clue what's going on behind the scenes. whether you like it or not, you truly are clueless, just as everyone else outside of the situation (including myself) is. that's simply the truth, not an attack.


His record speaks for itself. It does NOT need a pundit or poster to stick up for it.

then why are you sticking up for it?

You show me ANYTHING that smacks of nefarious recruiting or anything else!

you show me where i said that he's guilty of anything. you said that we should wait for the dust to settle until coming to judgment. if that's what you want, then perhaps you should take your own advice and refrain from defending him until we know what went on.

If it was there, UM would NOT have hired him.

a lot of these allegations involve things that happended AFTER michigan hired him.


for a guy that's clean, he sure does have a lot of controversy.

[monte81]

You are completely missing the point. Pryor following RR to Michigan is not the issue. He must like him as a coach to change schools. That is fine.

It is completely fine for RR to contact Pryor to tell him that he is switching schools...The problem is that he called Pryor while technically still employed by WV. The problem is that RR doesn't have the balls to resign in person and sends a graduate assistant to do this...all after contacting Pryor.

How he left WVU is not the issue either. Pryor is the best player in the COuntry and thebest spread QB to come out since Vince Young and RR was not supposed to contact him? He made the decision to leave WVU and he called his recruits to let them know of the situation. WVU has the right to be upset with RR for the way he left but not about Pryor and OSU is threatened by Pryor suiting up for UM! Everyone is throwing stones around and bashing one another----that is the recruiting game!!

[SuperBran]

OSU is threatened by Pryor suiting up for UM!

i wouldn't say that osu is threatened. one man can't make that much of a difference. he needs a surrounding cast (much like young did) and by the time he gets it, he'll one year away from going pro.

personally, though, i don't see pryor going to EITHER osu or michigan. this kid loves the attention, and i have a feeling that he's going to pull a huge surprise. afterall, that's what he really wants. he's leading people on.

[austinsm11]

How he left WVU is not the issue either. Pryor is the best player in the COuntry and thebest spread QB to come out since Vince Young and RR was not supposed to contact him? He made the decision to leave WVU and he called his recruits to let them know of the situation. WVU has the right to be upset with RR for the way he left but not about Pryor and OSU is threatened by Pryor suiting up for UM! Everyone is throwing stones around and bashing one another----that is the recruiting game!!

Again...still missing the point. PLEASE show me where I said that RR couldn't contact Pryor. My point is that perhaps he could have done it AFTER he had resigned from WV.

Dated Dec. 17:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/highschool/football/s_543141.html

Pryor received a phone call yesterday morning from Rodriguez informing him of the coaching change. So RR contacts Pryor at some point on Dec. 16.


RR claims he felt that he had resigned when he made the announcement to his players, even though he hadn't told his boss to that point. Now, the question is what date was his resignation effective? Some claim that the original resignation date given was Jan. 3

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?p=2806920

a loophole the coach might have created by making his resignation effective Jan. 3, 2008.
By selecting a termination date that comes after the Jan. 2 Fiesta Bowl, in which West Virginia plays Oklahoma, the university officials have an interesting choice. They must either allow Rodriguez to coach the Mountaineers in the bowl game -- despite him saying he doesn't expect to do so -- or fire him. If the school fires Rodriguez, that could be construed as a breach of contract that could let him out of the $4 million buyout clause.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/SPORTS06/71218088/0/SPORTS06
MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — Rich Rodriguez’s resignation as West Virginia University’s football coach has been moved up from Jan. 3 to midnight Tuesday, a WVU football spokesman said.
Mike Montoro confirmed the change late Tuesday but said he did not know the reason.


So in some articles RR "claims" he thought he had resigned Dec.16 when he told his players. Then why was his resignation originally effective Jan. 3 and then changed to Tuesday, Dec. 18?????? Why wouldn't he have said in his resignation letter that it was effective immediately?

Pretty slick there RR. At any rate, RR was still the WV coach on Dec. 16 when Pryor was contacted...even by admission of the effective date of resignation.

[monte81]

i wouldn't say that osu is threatened. one man can't make that much of a difference. he needs a surrounding cast (much like young did) and by the time he gets it, he'll one year away from going pro.

personally, though, i don't see pryor going to EITHER osu or michigan. this kid loves the attention, and i have a feeling that he's going to pull a huge surprise. afterall, that's what he really wants. he's leading people on.

OSU is threatened and UM also needs him really bad right now! The kid is also talking Oregon but I doubt he goes that far to sit behind Dixon---his ACL will fine! I had complete ACL recon Nov. 30 2007 and I already am able to run alittle bit with an OSU physical therapist!

UM will be right up there at the top of the BigTen with Wisc and OSU! RR is making progress quickly with his recruiting class from sources! Manningham and Arrington leaving early will hurt but they will be solid! The biggest transition is UM going to the 3-3-5 defense! I dont know if that can stop Big Ten power running teams consistanty. Penn State might be Pryors sleeper team or FLorida because Tebow is gone after next year but Florida already has a stud QB recruit in the system to have a 2 headed QB system again in 2008. Signing date is 2/6---less than a month away!

[warren1st]

good for you. the truth, however, is that you have no clue what's going on behind the scenes. whether you like it or not, you truly are clueless, just as everyone else outside of the situation (including myself) is. that's simply the truth, not an attack.




then why are you sticking up for it?



you show me where i said that he's guilty of anything. you said that we should wait for the dust to settle until coming to judgment. if that's what you want, then perhaps you should take your own advice and refrain from defending him until we know what went on.



a lot of these allegations involve things that happended AFTER michigan hired him.


for a guy that's clean, he sure does have a lot of controversy.

Do you have a clue between FACTS (RR's coaching career) and SPECULATION? Apparently not.

[SuperBran]

Do you have a clue between FACTS (RR's coaching career) and SPECULATION? Apparently not.

please don't insult my intelligence or i'll return the favor.

where have i confused fact with speculation? in fact, if you actually read, you would see that i specifically and clearly stated that no one knows what is going on. therefore, everything is speculation at this point.

for someone to say he's guilty is SPECULATION.

for someone to say he's innocent of all these allegations is SPECULATION.

if you're entitled to defend the guy b/c you believe that he's innocent, others have the right to say what they want if they believe he's guilty. if you don't like it, too bad. go cry elsewhere.

you told austinsm to wait to the dust settles before ripping on RR for all of this speculation..........yet you're defending the guy even though you have no idea what the truth is. sounds very hypocritical to me. your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's opinion. again, perhaps you should take your own advice and wait until eveything comes out.

[austinsm11]

You do NOT know that to be true. You are going on what posters say from WVU, OSU and, yes, there are Michigan writers who despise UM (like Drew Sharp of the Free Press and Jim Carty of the AA News.)


So you are saying that a grad assistant didn't hand in the resignation for RR?

When do you say that RR resigned?

When was Pryor contacted?

[SuperBran]

UM will be right up there at the top of the BigTen with Wisc and OSU!

only b/c the big ten is down. that's the way it is every year, though.

regardless of how the new recruits are shaping up, michigan is losing way too much to make noise next year. they're losing all of their starting skill players on offense. their defense better be great next year.

[SuperBran]

So you are saying that a grad assistant didn't hand in the resignation for RR?

of course not! RR is a saint!

he's just a misunderstood guy who is getting screwed.

LOL.

[austinsm11]

RR's contract is 2.5 million for 6 years. He was making 1.8 million at WV. So after he pays the $4 million back to WV, he will make about $200,000 more over 6 years or about $33,000 more per year.

[SuperBran]

RR's contract is 2.5 million for 6 years. He was making 1.8 million at WV. So after he pays the $4 million back to WV, he will make about $200,000 more over 6 years or about $33,000 more per year.

http://gen14.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

[austinsm11]

OSU is threatened and UM also needs him really bad right now! The kid is also talking Oregon but I doubt he goes that far to sit behind Dixon---his ACL will fine! I had complete ACL recon Nov. 30 2007 and I already am able to run alittle bit with an OSU physical therapist!

UM will be right up there at the top of the BigTen with Wisc and OSU! RR is making progress quickly with his recruiting class from sources! Manningham and Arrington leaving early will hurt but they will be solid! The biggest transition is UM going to the 3-3-5 defense! I dont know if that can stop Big Ten power running teams consistanty. Penn State might be Pryors sleeper team or FLorida because Tebow is gone after next year but Florida already has a stud QB recruit in the system to have a 2 headed QB system again in 2008. Signing date is 2/6---less than a month away!

I didn't know Dennis Dixon was coming back.

Losing TP will hurt Michigan much more than OSU. OSU still has Henton.

Michigan is losing alot, as well as learning a new offense and defense...so I really look for them to struggle next year.

[warren1st]

Monte - I think OSU fans are about dirtying their pants that their run over UM is over. I find it rather amusing.

[SuperBran]

Monte - I think OSU fans are about dirtying their pants that their run over UM is over. I find it rather amusing.

not quite as amusing as hearing a michigan fan telling the world that osu's run is over when osu returns 18 starters and michigan loses everything.

we're dirtying our pants laughing so hard at such ridiculous predictions.

[warren1st]

Not next year but..............look out............after that!!:rockon:

[massillon catholic]

Not next year but..............look out............after that!!:rockon:


No Chance.

[austinsm11]

Not next year but..............look out............after that!!:rockon:

Then by your own admission, I guess the OSU run is not over.


BTW, according to Pryor, RR contacted him around 10 AM Sunday morning....before he announced to his team that he would be leaving.

[warren1st]

I didn't know Dennis Dixon was coming back.

Losing TP will hurt Michigan much more than OSU. OSU still has Henton.

Michigan is losing alot, as well as learning a new offense and defense...so I really look for them to struggle next year.

Henton? Maybe:wink:

Stop a minute and think about a year ago and how things changed so drastically. OSU had lost Ginn, Gonzalez, Smith and Pittman. Down year coming up. UM has Jake Long, Henne and Hart back. Henne and Hart hurt most of season. OSU defense is basically outstanding. Beanie Wells has great year.

My point is BOTH Ohio State and Michigan have outstanding TALENT and they really just re-load. UM has not produced the last few years, other than '06, like they should have with the talent on hand. Now, Manningham, Arrington, Henne, Long, and Mallet are all gone.

Is the cupboard bare? Hardly. I think that is the point you guys are missing. Michigan always has talent.

Further, I remember when Bo came to Michigan. Bucks win NC in '68. The 1969 OSU team is considered greatest of all time in college football. Bo gets rid of the "country club" setting at Michigan; loses many players; some hate his guts. "Those who stay will be champions!!" Bo loses 2 of first 4 games. OSU steamrolls over everybody; compared to Minnesota Vikings of NFL.

Saturday, November 22, 1969 Ohio comes to bury Michigan.

Final score: UM 24
OSU 12.

Greatest game I have ever seen.

So, don't blow off Michigan as really hurting, no talent, etc. If the get TP, by the end of the season...................very interesting things could happen.

If they don't get TP, RR will come up with somebody. Maybe not for '08 but'09 and beyond for sure.

Yes, the rivalry is back. No more Cooper years; no more Carr years (the last 5-6.) Take it to the bank.

[austinsm11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3213927

In his latest letter, sent to athletic director Ed Pastilong, Rodriguez restates his displeasure with how slowly WVU was responding to additional demands he made in December 2006, when he passed up a $12 million deal at Alabama. They included allowing him to have his own Web site, an issue that raised possible legal concerns for the university.

Rodriguez ultimately signed the new contract with WVU on Aug. 24, 2007.


So...you don't like how things are going in 2006. Why would you sign a new contract then in Aug. 2007 then if these concerns made you that unhappy? Or at least make sure the contract addressed your concerns.

BTW, what is the buyout at Michigan?

[warren1st]

You know, Austin, I've determined one thing for certain: you are hung up on Michigan Football. Dang, we must have done something right all these years.:blush:

[austinsm11]

You're right.....you caught me. :doh2:



What he still doesn't seem to get, though, is that the main reason he's being smeared is because he behaved so poorly on his way out as West Virginia football coach.
Michigan fans want to overlook that. They want to circle the wagons around their guy, even though he's a guy they hardly know.
If you're inclined to do that, if you believe Rodriguez is in the right, and deserves the benefit of the doubt, ask yourself how you'd feel if the tables were turned.



Also seems you would fit in this category pretty well.

[warren1st]

It does. Most naysayers are either WVU or OSU fans and, frankly, I think there is a lot of piling on. Sure I back him.

Personally, I wish the buyout, whatever the amount is, would get paid and Michigan football can move on.

[austinsm11]

It does. Most naysayers are either WVU or OSU fans and, frankly, I think there is a lot of piling on. Sure I back him.

Personally, I wish the buyout, whatever the amount is, would get paid and Michigan football can move on.

Which makes you wonder why he won't just pay it and move on.

[SuperBran]

Henton? Maybe:wink:

Stop a minute and think about a year ago and how things changed so drastically. OSU had lost Ginn, Gonzalez, Smith and Pittman. Down year coming up. UM has Jake Long, Henne and Hart back. Henne and Hart hurt most of season. OSU defense is basically outstanding. Beanie Wells has great year.

i think there's a difference between osu last year and michigan this year. although osu lost most of their offensive production, like michigan has, osu had a qb coming back who had about 15 years (LOL) of time in the system learning the system. they also had a rb coming back who was actually better than the guy they had before. osu also had guys coming back who had a fair amount of playing time. michigan will have grady back, as well as some other guys who had some playing time, but i think osu was in a much better position this year in terms of filling in for those who left. osu also had a better defense coming back as well, although michigan's strength will be in their defense.

the other HUGE factor for michigan is the fact that they are losing good leaders. that's really hard to replace.

[warren1st]

Which makes you wonder why he won't just pay it and move on.

Maybe it's because he doesn't have $4 mil to pull out of his pocket. I don't know many people who do!

[warren1st]

i think there's a difference between osu last year and michigan this year. although osu lost most of their offensive production, like michigan has, osu had a qb coming back who had about 15 years (LOL) of time in the system learning the system. they also had a rb coming back who was actually better than the guy they had before. osu also had guys coming back who had a fair amount of playing time. michigan will have grady back, as well as some other guys who had some playing time, but i think osu was in a much better position this year in terms of filling in for those who left. osu also had a better defense coming back as well, although michigan's strength will be in their defense.

the other HUGE factor for michigan is the fact that they are losing good leaders. that's really hard to replace.

I agree plus OSU had NEOhio St. to play (YSU, KSU and Akron!):grinning:

[austinsm11]

Maybe it's because he doesn't have $4 mil to pull out of his pocket. I don't know many people who do!

The 4 million is not due all at once. It was due in installments and he didn't make the first one.
Maybe he didn't realize he is only making about $30,000 more per year.

If he can't pay, then maybe:
A. Don't sign a contract with such a large buyout.
B. Don't quit 4 months after signing a new contract.
C. Make sure your new job is giving you a bigger raise or paying the buyout.


Wonder what the Michigan fans would be saying if RR left and didn't pay THEIR 4 million?

[Tigerfan1979]

I agree plus OSU had NEOhio St. to play (YSU, KSU and Akron!):grinning:Don't forget the mighty Wolverines had Appalachian St.to play.:laughing:

[Benchboss1]

Appalachian State would have beaten all three of the patsies OSU played this season!!

[TigerNick]

Hey everyone check this out about Michigans new Head Coach Rich Rodriguez. Wow, Could be big time trouble brewing in paradise already.
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Quite A Character
January 21, 2008 · By Gary Benz
For all those Ohio State fans still lamenting head coach Jim Tressel's second straight loss in the national championship game, I have two words for you: Rich Rodriguez.

Rodriguez has barely been head coach of the Michigan Wolverines for a month yet in that short period of time he's created enough adversity for himself that the Michigan administration might as well fly a red flag permanently. And with each passing day, Buckeye fans discover a new reason to appreciate what they have in Tressel as the contrast between him and Rodriguez couldn't be starker. As Tressel might say and probably has, adversity doesn't build character it reveals it.

The first indication of the kind of person the Wolverines got with their third choice was the fact that Rodriguez didn't have the guts to deliver his resignation personally. He wrote it out and had his graduate assistant deliver it to West Virginia University athletic director Ed Pastilong. Good message that ought to grace the entrance of the Michigan weight room: "When the going gets tough, get a graduate student to do your work." If that's the kind of toughness and courage that Rodriguez will bring to the Michigan program, it won't be long before its fans are screaming for Lloyd Carr to come out of retirement.

Rodriguez's cowardly resignation may be partially explainable, however, by the next sign of his questionable values. Before either Mountaineers administration or players knew of the resignation, Rodriguez was on the telephone with highly-prized recruit Terrelle Pryor of Pennsylvania to tell him that he was leaving for Michigan. Now word is trickling out that Rodriguez didn't just call Pryor, he may have also called two other recruits while still technically employed by West Virginia. The West Virginia administration has gathered Rodriguez's cell phone records and is still investigating.

Rodriguez at present is denying the timeline although Pryor's statement at the time, as reported by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, certainly indicates otherwise. But the fact Rodriguez put himself in this position peels away still another layer of what's turning out to be a quickly rotting onion. One would think, for example, that Rodriguez might be more concerned about the reaction his leaving might have on the players he had already personally recruited and coached for several years at West Virginia. Instead, he seemed much more interested at that moment with trying to lure Pryor to Michigan, almost as if his hiring there had depended on it. Hmm.

More insidious, though, as reported by the West Virginia Gazette-Mail, is that Rodriguez's call to Pryor may also have simultaneously prevented West Virginia from making a call to a recruit who had publicly announced that the Mountaineers were high on his list of possible choices. At the time of the call, there was a so-called quiet period with respect to recruits in effect under the NCAA's rules, meaning that coaches could only contact a potential recruit once a week. Since Rodriguez was still technically in the employ of West Virginia at the time, that prevented anyone else from the West Virginia program from contacting Pryor for the rest of the week. One wonders whether Rodriguez, on behalf of the Michigan program, called Pryor again that same week after he officially became Michigan's coach. Hmm.

If Pryor ends up in Michigan, the Wolverines athletic director, William C. Martin, should probably expect a friendly call from an NCAA investigator. As Desi said to Lucy, there will be some splaining to do.

As it turns out, the calls to recruits is turning out to be the least of the issues. Underlying this whole mess is the little matter of the $4 million that Rodriguez is trying to deprive West Virginia for ditching the program just one season into a multi-year extension he had signed last August. Rodriguez, through his lawyers, has rattled enough sabers to make it pretty clear that the administration shouldn't expect a check anytime soon, so much so that West Virginia filed a pre-emptive lawsuit to ensure it would be able to collect.

The $4 million is owed under what is referred to as a liquidated damages provision in Rodriguez's contract. In simple terms, when a person breaches a contract, he will owe the other party damages or money in an amount that would make that person whole as if the breach had never occurred. The nature of some contracts makes it difficult to measure the amount of the damage. This is particularly true with coaching contracts because a coach of a successful program that quits while under contract can devastate his former program. There is potential lost revenue from season tickets and loges, lost recruits, lost booster and advertising income and the like, all of which is very difficult to calculate. Consequently, the parties often will add a liquidated damages provision to basically define up front the monetary damage that they believe the school will incur if the coach leaves. Courts will generally enforce a liquidated damages clause unless they believe it is a penalty in disguise. That is because courts will not typically impose a penalty, in addition to damages, against a party for breaching a contract.

This is the rub in the Rodriguez case. Through intermediaries Rodriguez has made it known that he believes that West Virginia breached its contract first and thus the liquidated damages provision doesn't apply. When that argument doesn't work, and it probably won't, his lawyers will turn to their best argument, that the $4 million doesn't represent damages but instead is a penalty because of the amount. This, too, will be an uphill battle given the unique circumstances of this case: a popular relatively long-term coach who has brought a program twice to the brink of the national championship game. It's fair to say that West Virginia will suffer financially and for awhile. Whatever one thinks of Rodriguez's successor at West Virginia, one thing is clear he has a lot to rebuild in the wake of this mess.

Rodriguez didn't help himself by taking a shredder to all of his files, the latest questionable act of his that West Virginia is now investigating. Whether the files were official files of a state university and hence public records is a legal matter still to be sorted out. If they were, Rodriguez may have some legal trouble to boot. But even if they were not, they clearly had some value to the program and will be difficult to re-create, meaning that Rodriguez unwittingly enhanced the cause of his former school in its quest to enforce the $4 million liquidated damages clause by causing damage that's difficult to calculate. Moreover, yet to be answered is whether Rodriguez's little Enron incident was done out of simple spite or to hide some unflattering truths about the program he ran. Hmm.


With the controversy intensifying each day, you would think that Rodriguez and his new employers would try to make it go away. Instead, Rodriguez has fanned the flames by laughingly claiming to the Toledo Blade that he can't understand why he's being smeared by the West Virginia administration. After all, he says, he's tried to take the high road. If Rodriguez defines the high road by his conduct, from how he hid his interview from his employers, to how he then denied it took place, to how he then delivered his resignation, to how he then called a recruit before telling his own players, to how he then shredded his files, then the bar truly has been lowered to new depths in college athletics.

Fortunately, that's not quite the case. Though Ohio State, like virtually every program, has had its share of athletes in trouble, no one has yet to question the ethics of Tressel. The national media may complain about the Buckeyes playing the lower-division Youngstown State, but what they miss is Tressel using that game as a way of repaying a debt of gratitude he feels he owed to the school and the program that gave him a chance. Right now, Rodriguez won't even pay the debt he actually owes to West Virginia.

I suppose there are coaches who have had worse starts to their new jobs than Rodriguez, George O'Leary at Notre Dame comes to mind, but not many. If he's going to overcome these self-inflicted wounds, Rodriguez better hope that recruits and their parents do not put much stock in the questionable backgrounds of the coaches they let into their living rooms.

The success Tressel continues to have in recruiting each year says otherwise. But if Rodriguez is banking on parental indifference to cover his sins, then the good news for Buckeyes fans is that their team should continue to enjoy the competitive advantage they currently hold over the Wolverines for at least as long as Tressel remains in Columbu

[warren1st]

The 4 million is not due all at once. It was due in installments and he didn't make the first one.
Maybe he didn't realize he is only making about $30,000 more per year.

If he can't pay, then maybe:
A. Don't sign a contract with such a large buyout.
B. Don't quit 4 months after signing a new contract.
C. Make sure your new job is giving you a bigger raise or paying the buyout.


Wonder what the Michigan fans would be saying if RR left and didn't pay THEIR 4 million?

I give up. You're intent on only listening to the anti-Rodriguez SIDES of the stories. I bet you believe OSU is as pure as the freshly-driven snow!

Does the guy really bother you that much or are you driven by your angst toward Michigan?

[austinsm11]

I give up. You're intent on only listening to the anti-Rodriguez SIDES of the stories. I bet you believe OSU is as pure as the freshly-driven snow!

Does the guy really bother you that much or are you driven by your angst toward Michigan?

Wrong.


You seem to only believe RR. How are we so different then?

Do you honestly think that RR has done no wrong? You still haven't commented on stories about RR contacting Pryor Sunday morning (Pryor is quoted as saying this in two sources I have found) which would have been before RR's afternoon meeting with his players. How would you feel if RR left Michigan withoug paying his $4 million?

BTW, I'm not convinced that RR shredded university documents. They may have been his own. What I do find amusing is the fact that RR says that ALL of the coaches had copies of the info that was suppossedly missing. What school are MOST of those coaches at now?????

[austinsm11]

I give up. You're intent on only listening to the anti-Rodriguez SIDES of the stories.

And You're intent on only listening to the warm fuzzy stories about how great RR is and how terrible WV is.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

West Virginia fans are the most classless fans witnessed for how they have treated the 44-year-old father of two along with his wife and family.

Here's hoping WVU goes nowhere near a BCS bowl or anywhere else for that matter after their mistreatment of Rodriguez.

Taking the Mills Lane approach to how they mistreated Rodriguez: That is no class. That's bullship! (intended to misspell it...kind of like a movie edit.)

GO WOLVERINES! Best fans in the Big Ten and the nation!! Winningest tradition!!! 863 wins, 42 Big Ten titles, 11 national championships!!!

[austinsm11]

West Virginia fans are the most classless fans witnessed for how they have treated the 44-year-old father of two along with his wife and family.

Here's hoping WVU goes nowhere near a BCS bowl or anywhere else for that matter after their mistreatment of Rodriguez.

Taking the Mills Lane approach to how they mistreated Rodriguez: That is no class. That's bullship! (intended to misspell it...kind of like a movie edit.)

GO WOLVERINES! Best fans in the Big Ten and the nation!! Winningest tradition!!! 863 wins, 42 Big Ten titles, 11 national championships!!!

Every school has classless fans, including Michigan and Ohio State. What the few "fans" of WV did to RR was completely wrong.

RR is no angel, however. His lies are hilarious and the fact that michigan is stuck with this guy is funny. The boosters better be getting a collection together to pay the $4 million so this will go away.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

austinsm11,

WVU fans have come down with that "Angry Jayne" illness. Michigan doesn't have classless fans. Ohio State fans on the other hand...judgment deferred till later.

WVU fans mistreated Rodriguez...threatened his family...his loving wife and two children. Anyone who can do that should be ashamed of themselves. They will get theirs...and I feel bad for Bill Stewart because the same way they treated Rodriguez, they are going to treat him the same way.

WVU fans need to get over it. It's done, it's over. Just move on!

[austinsm11]

Michigan doesn't have classless fans.

You do know how silly you look with these types of post, right?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

austinsm11,

You can't even speak of one incident where Michigan fans have shown a total lack of class!

[warren1st]

His lies are hilarious and the fact that michigan is stuck with this guy is funny.


Aahhh! The truth comes out.....................

[warren1st]

And You're intent on only listening to the warm fuzzy stories about how great RR is and how terrible WV is.

I have NEVER said WVU fans are terrible. If so, show me. I don't blame them for being upset that they lost a coach who finally put them on the football map.

I just think the treatment of RR by the "powers that be" and SOME Ohio St fans is deplorable; it bothers me far more about OSU fans than those jilted by RR. It's a sad state of affairs that there is so much hatred generated by Ohio St fans about scUM. See, I spent most of my life when people respected their fellow human beings even if they were athletic, political or otherwise rivals.

[austinsm11]

I have NEVER said WVU fans are terrible. If so, show me. I don't blame them for being upset that they lost a coach who finally put them on the football map.

I just think the treatment of RR by the "powers that be" and SOME Ohio St fans is deplorable; it bothers me far more about OSU fans than those jilted by RR. It's a sad state of affairs that there is so much hatred generated by Ohio St fans about scUM. See, I spent most of my life when people respected their fellow human beings even if they were athletic, political or otherwise rivals.

Did I say that you said WV fans were terrible? If so, show ME where. You quote me and can't even get what I said correct.

Basically what I said was that you seem to be backing everything RR says as accurate and truthful while not even looking into it. You seem to think that whatever RR says about WV must be the truth but whatever WV says about RR is not true. And no, you did not say this, but one can tell from your comments and reactions. Anything bad about RR is just speculation. Has WV done some things wrong or inappropriate? Yes (I mentioned the shredding incident). Has RR? Yes.

Remember this?
There has never been a hint of impropriety on RR's recruiting or program.
No? What about calling Pryor BEFORE resigning or telling his players?


Michigan better really hope this "bombshell" that Mike Brown has is really big against WV, otherwise their coach will be in for a long legal battle which he will lose.

[austinsm11]

austinsm11,

You can't even speak of one incident where Michigan fans have shown a total lack of class!

So you are saying that of the 100,000 fans that attend Michigan games as well as all of the fans watching at their homes or in the sports bars, there is not one classless Michigan fan?

Care to bet?

[CarlE]

So you are saying that of the 100,000 fans that attend Michigan games as well as all of the fans watching at their homes or in the sports bars, there is not one classless Michigan fan?

Care to bet?

Please don't head down this path with him. This is ridiculous to even argue over.

[Kamd50]

Please don't head down this path with him. This is ridiculous to even argue over.

No kidding! Add to that old and boring as all get out!

Keno, please for the love of God, just be reasonable and realize that there are classless people in every segway of life. Period! No area is exempt, whethter that be in religions, politics, school districts, teachers, coaches, and yes even fanbases. Just admit it and bury this one for the sake of us ALL :cry:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

Michigan is about to get Terrelle Pryor. And that's not too far off. Too bad WVU isn't on his list...losers.

And when Michigan gets Pryor...Michigan will win at best three games over OSU (provided he doesn't go to the NFL draft after his junior year).

Ok...time to tone the fires down. Trashed has been West Virginia fans long enough and will be left alone. But that won't stop Michigan from ending a four-year losing streak to the Bucks......Admission made that every fan base has their share of classless fans but they don't drown out the ones who have an exemplary behavior ratio compared to others (for you Kamd50 regarding your post)

[warren1st]

And You're intent on only listening to the warm fuzzy stories about how great RR is and how terrible WV is.
Hmmmm. THAT'S what I was referring to.

Btw, how do any of us know what is truth and what is fiction. In my career in business and also my community activities, I was involved in many announcements, etc. that made the paper. More times than not what was written was wrong.

Give it time. If RR is this horrible, bad guy you make him out to be, he won't last long at Michigan.

To me, it's all about $$$$. Follow the money. I do wish WVU would get paid so RR can concentrate on football as well as UM fans and friends.

I do find it funny OSU fans' great interest in the Michigan's coach.
Could it be the Bucks are a little concerned that they are going to have a tougher time in THE GAME? Btw, Tress and his staff went down to see that terrible RR to find out how to run the spread when it was apparent Troy Smith was going to become the QB. Gosh, those Buckeyes will deal with just about anyone, huh?

[SuperBran]

Appalachian State would have beaten all three of the patsies OSU played this season!!

yeah, but they would not have beaten osu.

[austinsm11]

Still seemed to avoid my question. Do you think it is inaccurate what people have said about RR contacting early Sunday morning before he had resigned?



I realize that sources can be wrong, but TP was quoted several places saying that he was contacted Sunday morning.


Any comments on the Magee racism issue either? You do know who his agent is, don't you?



And you are saying that the paper is wrong more than 50% of the time???
You and Keno sure have some interesting statistics.

[Obie Wan]

And you are saying that the paper is wrong more than 50% of the time??? You and Keno sure have some interesting statistics.
That's probably based on an analysis of Keno's columns.

[warren1st]

Still seemed to avoid my question. Do you think it is inaccurate what people have said about RR contacting early Sunday morning before he had resigned?



I realize that sources can be wrong, but TP was quoted several places saying that he was contacted Sunday morning.


Any comments on the Magee racism issue either? You do know who his agent is, don't you?



And you are saying that the paper is wrong more than 50% of the time???
You and Keno sure have some interesting statistics.

Look, I could bring up issues about OSU. I don't. Why? Because I'm not sure because I wasn't there and I respect them.

I don't know whether he called TP first or not and neither do you. You're beating a dead horse or are you trying to put the screws to Michigan recruiting TP?

Magee? I apparently don't follow Michigan Football as closely as you. What's the story about racism?

Man, do you ever give it a rest or do you go to bed at night cursing the Maize and Blue. Remember it's only football; not life nor death! Frankly, I'm sick of rehashing things with you. Let's let things play out and, in time, the truth always prevails. The University of Michigan is one of the greatest universities in the world and has a very proud and rich heritage and tradition. They are NOT going to sit idly by if they have made a big mistake in a hire. If RR is guilty of all you say, they will properly correct the situation. If RR is wrong, I will tell you so. In this great country of ours, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty unless possibly you happen to be the Michigan Football Coach and certain OSU fans are discussing you.

Again, give it a rest. If you can't, please get on Bucknuts or the OZone or others and rant and spew with your fellow scUM haters.

I will not reply to anymore of your posts on this matter. Thanks and good evening.

[austinsm11]

Look, I could bring up issues about OSU. I don't. Why? Because I'm not sure because I wasn't there and I respect them.

I don't know whether he called TP first or not and neither do you. You're beating a dead horse or are you trying to put the screws to Michigan recruiting TP?

Magee? I apparently don't follow Michigan Football as closely as you. What's the story about racism?

Man, do you ever give it a rest or do you go to bed at night cursing the Maize and Blue. Remember it's only football; not life nor death! Frankly, I'm sick of rehashing things with you. Let's let things play out and, in time, the truth always prevails. The University of Michigan is one of the greatest universities in the world and has a very proud and rich heritage and tradition. They are NOT going to sit idly by if they have made a big mistake in a hire. If RR is guilty of all you say, they will properly correct the situation. If RR is wrong, I will tell you so. In this great country of ours, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty unless possibly you happen to be the Michigan Football Coach and certain OSU fans are discussing you.

Again, give it a rest. If you can't, please get on Bucknuts or the OZone or others and rant and spew with your fellow scUM haters.

I will not reply to anymore of your posts on this matter. Thanks and good evening.

Give it a rest??? You said SEVERAL posts ago that RR didn't need defending...so why do you continue to do it. If you don't like what is posted on this thread, DON'T READ IT.

You complain about me being against RR and imply that he hasn't done anything wrong. You weren't there and don't know either. He very well could have done wrong. Then you come up with a silly stat about the papers being wrong over half the time.


Do I know for sure that TP was contacted Sunday morning? No. Do I think he was? Of course. Could the sources be incorrect? Sure....but don't you think that RR would have been all over them? Plus there are several sources about this, including a pro-michigan source.

I have nothing against Michigan. Sure, I like them to lose being an Ohio State fan. But how easily you forget who was one of the only posters on here to stick up for Michigan two years ago about being in the title game against Ohio State. I thought that they were the 2nd best team behind Ohio State. I was wrong about both teams and admitted it.

My issue is with RR, not Michigan. I have a feeling that Michigan fans and admins. are really not happy with this whole mess. Perhaps if you are so eager for this to go away you could contribute to the buyout.(I wonder how much interest has accumulated? I also wonder why RR wouldn't put that money in an escrow account or something to show that he has the money to pay if he is indeed the one in the wrong.)


As far as Magee...He is claiming that an administrator at WV pointed at his skin and told him that he would never be the coach at WV and that it was a racist comment. I have never heard anyone claim that someone pointed at their skin. I have heard people claim that somone pointed at them.
It is unclear at this point when this comment was made and Magee won't name any names. Considering that Magee was with RR at his press conference in Michigan, I would be willing to bet that this was the reason intended for Magee to not be considered the coach. Both RR and Magee also have the same agent.
If Magee was so upset with the racism at WV, then why stay to coach in the bowl game?


Most of what is 100% true and what is not will eventually come out. What is sad is that you can't/won't even admit that RR made some poor decisions in this whole process.

[austinsm11]

BTW, it is obvious that RR will not admit these things.

Several sources talk about the Sunday call to TP. Several talk about him not having the balls to turn in his letter of resignation in person, sending a grad assistant to do it. Several sources talk about the 3 letters of resignation that RR turned in even though he also says he thought he had resigned when he told his players.

How many sources do there have to be before you feel the accusations are true? What kind of sources do they have to be?


Congrats though. Not only do you have a coach that appears very dishonest, but also an assistant who could throw the race card at any time.

[austinsm11]

It does. Most naysayers are either WVU or OSU fans and, frankly, I think there is a lot of piling on. Sure I back him.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/

Looks like as of now that more side with WV (63% to 37%)

Of course SI probably only asked people from OSU and WV to take the poll.
:lol:

[CarlE]

You really find out the character of a person when situations aren't completing rosy or there is some adversity. Rodriguez seems to be a man of low morals and scruples, and quite honestly a downright LIAR. Good luck with THIS guy, Warren1st. Seems the exact opposite of Coach Carr that you were so fond of.

[austinsm11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3220161

So on Saturday night, at WesBanco Arena in Wheeling, the Nailers are playing host to the Charlotte Checkers, as well as an industrial-sized paper shredder. Fans who bring in a newspaper article or picture of the reviled coach to be shredded will receive a discount off tickets.
Any fan wearing WVU apparel at the game will get $2 lopped off the ticket price.

Ohio State fans, natural enemies of Michigan, get to share the love on this one -- anyone wearing Buckeyes paraphernalia also gets a discount on tickets.






Here is the best part:
In addition, any fan wearing University of Michigan apparel "will be charged double in order to help Rodriguez pay his $4 million buyout to WVU," according to the Nailers' news release announcing the promotion.

[marlow]

The fat is in the fire.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3226229