Trade Proposal

[TigerCoach]

If you're Phil Savage and the Chicago Bears call and offer their 2007 1st and 3rd round draft picks for Brady Quinn, what do you tell them?

[austinsm11]

Although I would say it would be a good trade for us, I don't know who the Browns would take at 12. They really need help to stop the run, and Dorsey and Ellis will be gone more than likely. I don't think there are any QBs that I would want that hight. Maybe James Laurinaitas if he is still there.

The Browns should probably see what help they could get in FA.


I would like to say that the better option would be to see what Derek Anderson could bring us and not trade Quinn unless Chicago would add something else to the deal.

[The Voice]

After watching the SF game on Sunday, I think Quinn is the real deal. Focus on the defense during the off season.

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[warren1st]

I think we need BOTH QBs in the violent world of the NFL.

[Homer]

If you're Phil Savage and the Chicago Bears call and offer their 2007 1st and 3rd round draft picks for Brady Quinn, what do you tell them?

HELL NO!

Despite current public opinion that Brady Quinn is our pro football savior we must acknowledge the reality that he is yet football season tested but I still wouldn't trade him. I believe Brady Quinn to be a solid player and if our quarterback situation could work out something like the 49'ers Joe Montana - Steve Young years then I'd be very happy. It appears though that many Browns fans want the Carson Palmer - Jon Kitna transition where Carson Palmer only sat out 1 year before becoming the starting QB in Cincinnati.


I think we should feel lucky that we have 2 good quarterbacks and at this time I don't want to trade either one of them. Lock them both up because if something happens like it always does in the NFL you don't want to be stuck with a quarterback with no experience or the hot potato quarterback that everyone passes around.


If and I mean IF... we trade either Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson we must trade Stud for Stud. I believe the perfect example is when Denver and Washington traded Clinton Portis and Champ Bailey. Two STUDS! Trading for draft picks is like trading for chances to win the lottery and we've been burned too many times all ready. Tell me Bill Parcells is drafting and I might reconsider. He is after all currently the best pro football talent evaluator out there.

[austinsm11]

If and I mean IF... we trade either Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson we must trade Stud for Stud. I believe the perfect example is when Denver and Washington traded Clinton Portis and Champ Bailey. Two STUDS! Trading for draft picks is like trading for chances to win the lottery and we've been burned too many times all ready. Tell me Bill Parcells is drafting and I might reconsider. He is after all the current the best pro football talent evaluator out there.

Problem is that neither of them is a stud at this point.

[Tiger2001]

I would trade anderson for a bucket of chicken from KFC.

[monte81]

Reevaluating B. Quinn I say YES but with hesitation! It all depends what Cleveland plans on doing with those picks. They need a rush LB to replace McGinnest and some Dline help but also would have to pick up a veteran QB to back up Anderson. The Db's are improving but a solid man to man corner would be helpful to Wright and I love Botten and Jones back there. Pool is the weak link so a solid replacement is also needed.

Quinn looked pretty solid briefly in the game on Sunday and Troy Smith played well for the Ravens.

Austinsm11---you are correct! If any deal is made with Chicago they have to give up briggs or Tommy Harris and a 3rd round pick. In the NFl teams cant afford to make DUMB trades like Moss and W. Welker for 4th round picks!!!!
Washington got the better deal out of the Portis/Baily trade in the long run--they are in the playoffs and portis is the engine running the train and only has had one season when he was not top 5-10 in rushing.

[Obie Wan]

I believe Brady Quinn to be a solid player and if our quarterback situation could work out something like the 49'ers Joe Montana - Steve Young years then I'd be very happy.
I guess you would. Trouble is, Anderson and Quinn together don't measure up to either Montana or Young.

I'd trade Quinn in the right deal, and that deal depends on the draft chart. There's a very real chance that you can get a better QB than Quinn in the first round. That all depends on the year and the pick. This year with the 14th pick? Maybe not. I don't think that Quinn projects to any better than an average NFL QB, but he's likely to be as good (or better) than anyone available at #14 this year. The Bears must think so too, or they wouldn't be proposing the trade. The trouble for the Browns is that Anderson is not the long-term answer. Trade Quinn this year, and you're a) stuck with Anderson for next year, and b) still faced with the problem of getting the QB of the future -- only now you have one less year in which to groom him.

It likely comes down to this: would you rather have Quinn, Henne, or Booty?

[austinsm11]

I guess you would. Trouble is, Anderson and Quinn together don't measure up to either Montana or Young.

I'd trade Quinn in the right deal, and that deal depends on the draft chart. There's a very real chance that you can get a better QB than Quinn in the first round. That all depends on the year and the pick. This year with the 14th pick? Maybe not. I don't think that Quinn projects to any better than an average NFL QB, but he's likely to be as good (or better) than anyone available at #14 this year. The Bears must think so too, or they wouldn't be proposing the trade. The trouble for the Browns is that Anderson is not the long-term answer. Trade Quinn this year, and you're a) stuck with Anderson for next year, and b) still faced with the problem of getting the QB of the future -- only now you have one less year in which to groom him.

It likely comes down to this: would you rather have Quinn, Henne, or Booty?

I agree with everything except the last statement. If the Browns trade Quinn to take a first round QB (and I don't think any QB in the draft this year is as good as Quinn), there is no way Henne or Booty go in the first round. The QBs who could go in the first round are Ryan, Brohm, and maybe Woodson.

Chicago would have to feel that Quinn is better than Brohm and Woodson (Ryan will probably be gone by then). I don't think they are and I really think that Chicago would have to make a better offer in this case.

If the Browns could improve their D with Chicago's pick and don't feel like a 2nd or third round QB is that much of a dropoff, then that would be an option and where Henne, Booty, or Brennan would come into play.

[Obie Wan]

I agree with everything except the last statement. If the Browns trade Quinn to take a first round QB (and I don't think any QB in the draft this year is as good as Quinn), there is no way Henne or Booty go in the first round.
My point was not that Henne and Booty are first-round picks; it was that Henne and Booty will likely be the best QB's available at #14 (the premise being that Ryan and Brohm would already be gone). And that's what it would boil down to -- trading Quinn for a another QB who is (at best) a 2nd round pick. Granted, the Browns wouldn't need to take a QB with the pick, but they would then need to address the position through a different approach (e.g. a trade).

[austinsm11]

It will be interesting if Baltimore takes a Qb in the first round since they have Troy Smith. I think Baltimore may wait to take a QB later and see how Smith develops.

I want the Browns to take the Rb from East Carolina.

[reofan82]

I would like to keep Brady Quinn, but besides chicago, the Dolphins might be looking to trade for a QB. Parcells will continue to clean house and will be looking for young players. The Dolphins have the first pick in the draft and need more than one player to turn things around. I am not sure they will trade as far down as the Browns will be, but I do not think the Dolphins will keep the pick. Also, I think the Falcons, Chiefs, and Rams might be teams interested in Quinn.

[monte81]

I would like to keep Brady Quinn, but besides chicago, the Dolphins might be looking to trade for a QB. Parcells will continue to clean house and will be looking for young players. The Dolphins have the first pick in the draft and need more than one player to turn things around. I am not sure they will trade as far down as the Browns will be, but I do not think the Dolphins will keep the pick. Also, I think the Falcons, Chiefs, and Rams might be teams interested in Quinn.

Parcels likes multiple draft picks and thats how he built all his teams. Trading down but I dont think Parcels will make a deal for Quinn but Cleveland could use the OLB Johnson(I think) from the Chiefs and a pick or 2

[LLRose]

2 QBs = 0 QBs. You always place the starter in a no win situation.

Anderson has the highest value he will ever have right now.

Trade him for a 1 and 3 as soon as pro personnel people realize his true identity

Scott Mitchell

I want someone else to own his next contract not the Browns.

[massillon catholic]

It will be interesting if Baltimore takes a Qb in the first round since they have Troy Smith. I think Baltimore may wait to take a QB later and see how Smith develops.

I want the Browns to take the Rb from East Carolina.


What about the RB from Central Fla? What year is he in?

[austinsm11]

2 QBs = 0 QBs. You always place the starter in a no win situation.

Anderson has the highest value he will ever have right now.

Trade him for a 1 and 3 as soon as pro personnel people realize his true identity

Scott Mitchell

I want someone else to own his next contract not the Browns.

You really think you will get a 1 and 3 for him?

[LLRose]

You really think you will get a 1 and 3 for him?

I believe there is a 50%/50% chance.

If I were the Vikings I could justify it. They desperately need a QB. Jackson is not the answer.

They have a good line, great back, young defense and a decent defense.

There is no qb in the draft I would take over Anderson with a rd round pick this year. Daft pick would have to sit, Anderson is ready to start now.

I hope we trade him now, I don't want people to figure out he is Scott Mitchell, a big armed, immobile, mediocre QB

[austinsm11]

I believe there is a 50%/50% chance.

If I were the Vikings I could justify it. They desperately need a QB. Jackson is not the answer.

They have a good line, great back, young defense and a decent defense.

There is no qb in the draft I would take over Anderson with a rd round pick this year. Daft pick would have to sit, Anderson is ready to start now.

I hope we trade him now, I don't want people to figure out he is Scott Mitchell, a big armed, immobile, mediocre QB

I completely agree that we trade him now. I'm just not so sure we get a first round pick for it. Maybe a 3rd and a 6th or something like that.

[TigerCoach]

I completely agree that we trade him now. I'm just not so sure we get a first round pick for it. Maybe a 3rd and a 6th or something like that.

Anderson is a Pro-Bowl alternate, that means he was determined to be the 3rd best QB in the AFC this year. I would think a lot of teams would want him if they could. Miami, Baltimore, Chicago, Minnesota, St. Louis, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Kansas City just to name a few.

For the record, I think they should keep both Anderson and Quinn. Anderson is a proven starter, and Quinn is still an unproven rookie, (regardless of what he did in pre-season against guys who didn't even make the roster.) In today's NFL, you need 2 quality QB's, the Browns have 1 with another maybe. Now, if Quinn explodes and wins the job, I can see them trading Anderson for other picks because they need so much more on defense. But, I still think they need 2 QB's to survive an NFL season.

[austinsm11]

Anderson is a Pro-Bowl alternate, that means he was determined to be the 3rd best QB in the AFC this year. I would think a lot of teams would want him if they could. Miami, Baltimore, Chicago, Minnesota, St. Louis, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Kansas City just to name a few.


I see what you are saying...but...do you really feel he is the 3rd best QB in the AFC??? Maybe this year, but not overall.

I agree that several teams would want him, but the question is at what price??

TC, I know you say to keep both....but what kind of draft pick would you expect for Anderson?

How long do you keep a QB making first round money on the bench?

[TigerCoach]

I think you can get a 1st round pick for Anderson. It's all based on potential. Heck, if Quinn was worth a 1st round pick, then Anderson sure is. Again, I want the Bowns to keep both, because Anderson is not getting first round money yet. But your right, if he does get a big contract it will be hard to keep both. That's why I am curious to see if the Browns can leverage the situation.

[massillon catholic]

Why would anybody want to trade a qb that led the browns to a 10-6 record to keep a rookie qb that is unproven? I dont understand the logic in this one.

[austinsm11]

Heck, if Quinn was worth a 1st round pick, then Anderson sure is. Again, I want the Bowns to keep both, because Anderson is not getting first round money yet. But your right, if he does get a big contract it will be hard to keep both. That's why I am curious to see if the Browns can leverage the situation.

How do we really know that Anderson is better than Quinn at this point? Anderson has been in the offense longer and has an overall better knowledge of the offense, especially with Quinn holding out.

MC...I guess the question is whether the Browns were 10-6 because of Anderson or in spite of Anderson. Although I am really happy with the 10-6 record and improvement of the team...I think Anderson really blew it against Cinci. It also makes me wonder if this is a team that really could have been 13-3 or 14-2 with the schedule they had. My other question, MC...Does one good year mean that Anderson is proven? Will he slide back similar to Phillip Rivers in his 2nd year?

On the other hand, you are correct in that we really don't know what Quinn can do in close game situations.

I am really excited about this team regardless of the direction chosen for the QB. Add a few defensive players and a running back and this could be a very good team.

(I find it kind of funny that the Browns put together a good o-line, like people have been begging for years, and they do this well.)

[Tiger2001]

But, I still think they need 2 QB's to survive an NFL season.


Why?! Why does everyone say that? Jim Sorgi and Matt Cassel SUCK! Those teams seem to be doing just fine.

[proud to be]

You really think you will get a 1 and 3 for him?

I think we'll find out if this will happen. Since he is a restricted FA, if someone offers him, and he signs, we get a 1 and a 3 from them if we don't match. If we franchise tag him, and make him one of the top 5 paid QB's in the league, (which that tag would require), we would get 2 #1's if someone else signed him.


That is how I understand it from what I heard on ESPN. If that is the case, we may be forced into a pretty sweet situation.

Let's say Miami signs him to an offer sheet, and we end up with their #1 and #3, that would be a no brainer in my opinion. Can you see Brady Quinn and Darren Mcfadden in the same backfield???

Miami will not likely do that, but they may choose to take a "proven" starter over a QB that will be holding a clipboard for 2 years, even if he's drafted #1.

If Miami doesn't, and someone else with a high pick does, I think we have to jump on it given the fact that we don't have a #1 pick this year.

[massillon catholic]

I think we'll find out if this will happen. Since he is a restricted FA, if someone offers him, and he signs, we get a 1 and a 3 from them if we don't match. If we franchise tag him, and make him one of the top 5 paid QB's in the league, (which that tag would require), we would get 2 #1's if someone else signed him.


That is how I understand it from what I heard on ESPN. If that is the case, we may be forced into a pretty sweet situation.

Let's say Miami signs him to an offer sheet, and we end up with their #1 and #3, that would be a no brainer in my opinion. Can you see Brady Quinn and Darren Mcfadden in the same backfield???

Miami will not likely do that, but they may choose to take a "proven" starter over a QB that will be holding a clipboard for 2 years, even if he's drafted #1.

If Miami doesn't, and someone else with a high pick does, I think we have to jump on it given the fact that we don't have a #1 pick this year.

What you say makes sense.

[austinsm11]

I think we'll find out if this will happen. Since he is a restricted FA, if someone offers him, and he signs, we get a 1 and a 3 from them if we don't match. If we franchise tag him, and make him one of the top 5 paid QB's in the league, (which that tag would require), we would get 2 #1's if someone else signed him.


That is how I understand it from what I heard on ESPN. If that is the case, we may be forced into a pretty sweet situation.

Let's say Miami signs him to an offer sheet, and we end up with their #1 and #3, that would be a no brainer in my opinion. Can you see Brady Quinn and Darren Mcfadden in the same backfield???

Miami will not likely do that, but they may choose to take a "proven" starter over a QB that will be holding a clipboard for 2 years, even if he's drafted #1.

If Miami doesn't, and someone else with a high pick does, I think we have to jump on it given the fact that we don't have a #1 pick this year.

I knew DA was a restricted FA, but I didn't know we could get those types of picks out of another team signing him to an offer sheet. If that is the case, jump on it!

[proud to be]

I knew DA was a restricted FA, but I didn't know we could get those types of picks out of another team signing him to an offer sheet. If that is the case, jump on it!

found the link below which details the draft pick compensation.

Click and page down to "fantasy analysis"

Whatever we do, we are in a good position, given the number of teams who don't have a QB worth a crap, in comparison to DA.

It may be in our best interest to trade him, but only if we can get an impact type player, or top 5-7 pick in return.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/405598