President's Speech

[austinsm11]

Just wondered what others thought of his speech. I watched half of it and turned if off. I thought it would be more of a tribute to those who died and instead it just seemed very political to me. All he seemed to do was try to justify why we were in Iraq.
What were your thoughts?

[DAWGH8R]

Stroke Job !!!!

[werperry]

i didn't think it was that politcal...at least not like rosa parks' or correta scott kings' funerals.

i mean for God's sake... W has his opinion (which i agree) on this war on terror. his view of the war on terror... has al queda, hamas, hezbollah, iraq, iran, syria - radical islam!! all as ONE enemy. if you don't agree with that...yea sure it's political :rolleyes:





my GOD is this petty bullshit bickering ever gonna stop. those assholes in washington better wake up...:doh:

[austinsm11]

My point was that I thought it should be a remembrance for such a tragic event. He seemed to keep going on and on about the troops in Iraq, which seems to be what has divided the country the most with the whole war on terror. Personally I didn't want to tune in to hear him trying to convince people that what he did was right. (I am not saying that I agree or disagree with the war in Iraq, just saying that I didn't feel like last night was the time for him to justify his reasoning.)

I guess I was just expecting something different.

[pnthrfan]

The President's Speech was great until after the first two minutes, and then, he used it as a way to justify his foreign policy. Instead of using it to unite the country....bring everyone together, and commemorate those whol lost their lives, he was trying AGAIN to seek support for a war in Iraq that he himself admitted had NOTHING to do with the attacks on September 11th.

I agree that al Queada, hamas, hezbollah, Iran , Syria and Iraq now....are all one enemy....Radical Islamists, what I don't agree with is how we are trying to stop these extremists. Fighting them the way we have been is getting us nowhere. We are not WINNING this war on terror. Iraq has fallen into a civil war. Everyday you hear how there have been 60- 70 bodies found along side the roads. Their bodies mutilated , or with signs of unbelievable torture. We are not liberating these people anymore, we can't even stop the sectarian violence that is happening day after day. We are supposed to be training these people to "stand up" so we can " stand down" . you tell me how that is possible when they are being shot in the head and tortured for just being alive??

In Afghanistan......attacks from the Taliban have escelated 100% in the past two months. They are getting stronger and their weapons are getting more advanced , but yet, all we hear about is how much progress we are making in Iraq. Please!!

[Kamd50]

I agree A11, also about the Taliban. I was watching a segment on one of the late news shows a couple of nights ago about how the Taliban has regrouped and gaining in strength:down:

[austinsm11]

The President's Speech was great until after the first two minutes, and then, he used it as a way to justify his foreign policy. Instead of using it to unite the country....bring everyone together, and commemorate those whol lost their lives, he was trying AGAIN to seek support for a war in Iraq that he himself admitted had NOTHING to do with the attacks on September 11th.


This is exactly what I was thinking. That's why I turned it off.

[Indiana95]

my GOD is this petty bullshit bickering ever gonna stop. those assholes in washington better wake up...:doh:

Isn't that why we are fighting? To have the freedom to bicker and question our leaders. Or is it "un-American" to disagree with the President's policies? Unconditionally following and agreeing with our country's leaders is irresponsible. Americans are smarter than earlier generations. A community who can think for themselves and see through the smoke is a challenging thing for leaders who want to indoctrinate a philosophy or policy to the people. It's not gonna work in America!

[werperry]

yea you're right... we have that freedom to bicker. but, when is it time to put the bickering aside and DO SOMETHING? as a country, we've been spinning our damn wheels for FIVE years. whether it's re-building the towers, our strategy in iraq, or the fundemental understanding of our enemy...we've been doing NOTHING BUT TALKING.

i'm tired of the talking...debating...when the hell are we.. as a country going to step up, take action ...and finish this????

throw out the PC bullcrap... and call a spade a spade. we are all americans...left, center and right. islamo-facists want the downfall of western values and want to rule the world. ...THEY WANT TO KILL US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE. so as AMERICANS...what are we waiting for? let's do something?

otherwise...we will spend the next five years LOSING our way of life. the virtues this country is founded on will either be eroded by more police action to keep us safe...OR...radical islam will take over.

[werperry]

Unconditionally following and agreeing with our country's leaders is irresponsible. Americans are smarter than earlier generations. A community who can think for themselves and see through the smoke is a challenging thing for leaders who want to indoctrinate a philosophy or policy to the people. It's not gonna work in America!

you need to read a history book. i'm not saying to follow blindly. i'm saying we need to ACT... the problem is right in front of us.

unfortunately, the problem I speak of is 'radical islam' ....i can only deduce that you believe the problem is our leaders.

[pnthrfan]

yea you're right... we have that freedom to bicker. but, when is it time to put the bickering aside and DO SOMETHING? as a country, we've been spinning our damn wheels for FIVE years. whether it's re-building the towers, our strategy in iraq, or the fundemental understanding of our enemy...we've been doing NOTHING BUT TALKING.

i'm tired of the talking...debating...when the hell are we.. as a country going to step up, take action ...and finish this????

throw out the PC bullcrap... and call a spade a spade. we are all americans...left, center and right. islamo-facists want the downfall of western values and want to rule the world. ...THEY WANT TO KILL US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE. so as AMERICANS...what are we waiting for? let's do something?

otherwise...we will spend the next five years LOSING our way of life. the virtues this country is founded on will either be eroded by more police action to keep us safe...OR...radical islam will take over.

Who's at fault when you say it's time to do something? Is it the American people's fault? I don't think so. It is our elected officials fault....including the President and all his men.

[Indiana95]

....i can only deduce that you believe the problem is our leaders. Bingo! I may have misinterpreted your suggestion to stop bickering as "be quiet and let the president do what he thinks is right." Sorry.

I agree we need to do something. Our elected leaders currently in charge of "doing something" have accomplished what? Our changing of leadership in Iraq has helped who? Iran is laughing and smiling as Iraq's new government continues to grow with US supported Shite leaders who will (if not already) become pawns for their neighbor and now close friend IRAN. I'm not sure what our next step is, as the mistakes have been made and our status in the world has eroded. I do know that our current leadership is not the group that will move us forward in the right direction.

[werperry]

Who's at fault when you say it's time to do something? Is it the American people's fault? I don't think so. It is our elected officials fault....including the President and all his men.

i'm not going 'round and 'round with you about 'the President and all his men'...because well, that's idiotic.

panthrfn...the easy answer is to place blame on the politicians

but...we have a braindead populous who would rather fill their head with american idol.... than understand the world around them. as a whole there is NO real understanding of the way our gov't works, current events ...or history....let alone putting all three together in context.

our politicians line their pockets and smile...as the people of this nation are blinded by a smile...a soundbite and a false promise.

take a look at voter turnout. sure during presidential election years...voter turnout hovers around 50% -- which is horrible...but...mid-term elections are around 35%!!! ...are you kidding me? VOTING is the way we keep politicians in check...if no one votes...then what?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

panthrfn... the United States is a government for the people, by the people...right? well, if that is truely the case... the PEOPLE is where the blame should be place. for the past 4-5 decades, we have let these damn politicians twist this country into the ground. (psst...here's a little secret... W wasn't president during ALL that time)

...and with this coming crisis... in my eyes... this problem is magnified.

:usflag:



to clarify my point before. i am talking about the american people ACTING. not the politicians... all they will do is talk. the people of this nation need to act!!!

[Kamd50]

2 of the best statements werperry has EVER posted!
"for the past 4-5 decades, we have let these damn politicians twist this country into the ground. " & "our politicians line their pockets and smile...as the people of this nation are blinded by a smile...a soundbite and a false promise. "

My hat's off to ya,werperry, for those last several excellent posts! In fact, excellent posts made by all. Even though we all may not agree on politics, we certainly seem to be coming to an agreement as a people as to the state of politics these days. And more importantly, the American people are becoming very impatient with being terrorized by these Islamic terrorists, and probably being the bunt of laughter worldwide. We are sick of being made to look like incompetent fools who are afraid to act decisively in dealing with these radical people. This anniversary of 9/11, in particularly, seems to really be bringing the whole issue front and center and reopening these old wounds over and over again without any significant progress to report is getting old and insulting.

[pnthrfan]

take a look at voter turnout. sure during presidential election years...voter turnout hovers around 50% -- which is horrible...but...mid-term elections are around 35%!!! ...are you kidding me? VOTING is the way we keep politicians in check...if no one votes...then what?

You are right. Since the day I turned 18, I have NEVER missed a vote. I do not understand how people can justify not voting. One thing is for sure....these very people that don't vote....don't have the right to bitch about how things are going . :unclesam: :usflag:

[GrowlingTiger87]

Who's at fault when you say it's time to do something? Is it the American people's fault? I don't think so. It is our elected officials fault....including the President and all his men.

They work for US though, so it IS up to us to do something. AND, things are more likely to get done right if WE take some matters into our own hands.

[GrowlingTiger87]

Oops, this point was basically already made, so sorry for the rerun of wer's post.

And,pnthfn, even though I disagree with HOW you vote, you do, and that's the important thing, AND you keep yourself informed from what I can tell. And you are also right: if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.

God Bless America!

[werperry]

:rock: whoa... i was expecting a good amount of backlash.

[marlow]

the people of this nation need to act!!!



What action do you suggest?

[werperry]

for starters get off your ass and contact your representative. bet your arse i have....

i'm tired of it.

organize groups around the idea of cleaning out washington. NOT around left or right... but, around the idea that our politician NEED to represent US....not special interest.... that includes companies AND political groups.

reform needs to start at the grassroot level.... and i'm not talking about joining the ACLU or any damn .org organization. ....the PEOPLE need to unite!

is the task daunting... yes. can it be done... yes. but, only with hard work and perserverance. our future depends on a much needed change.

[pnthrfan]

What action do you suggest?

I was wondering that myself marlow.

[werperry]

marlow... bottom line is it's up to the individual. be creative.

[GrowlingTiger87]

Agreed with wer. Don't rely on your Government to do everything for you. America is at its best when its people take the lead. The government is too damn lazy, and don't really care to do anything unless it benefits them.

It's easy to sit back and rely on others. I was always taught that if you want something done right, do it yourself. Get involved.

[pnthrfan]

Agreed with wer. Don't rely on your Government to do everything for you. America is at its best when its people take the lead. The government is too damn lazy, and don't really care to do anything unless it benefits them.

It's easy to sit back and rely on others. I was always taught that if you want something done right, do it yourself. Get involved.

Don't rely on your Government to do everything for you. America is at it's best when it's people take the lead?? Who is relying on the Government to do anything for us? If anything the Government is relying on us ...the taxpayers to fund everything....including this Quagmire in Iraq....among ALOT of other things. Without "US" ...they wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING.

You say get involved GrowlingTiger.....are you invoved...and if you are what are you doing?

[werperry]

Don't rely on your Government to do everything for you. America is at it's best when it's people take the lead?? Who is relying on the Government to do anything for us? If anything the Government is relying on us ...the taxpayers to fund everything....including this Quagmire in Iraq....among ALOT of other things. Without "US" ...they wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING.

You say get involved GrowlingTiger.....are you invoved...and if you are what are you doing?

and we were all just starting to sing....kum-by-ya... :doh: quit pointing fingers.

[werperry]

I was wondering that myself marlow.

excuses, excuses... :down:

let's see... i've stopped IN to my representative's office http://www.kirkforcongress.com/ ...and have had lengthy conversations with him on this subject. ...albeit...i take what he says with a grain a salt..well...because he is a politician. ...note: he knows my disdain for today's elected officials.

i'm thinking of otherways... for the love-of-God... quit asking ME for direction...figure it out on your own.

if you feel as i feel...that your vote doesn't seem to matter. do something. ANYTHING!!

[GrowlingTiger87]

Don't rely on your Government to do everything for you. America is at it's best when it's people take the lead?? Who is relying on the Government to do anything for us? If anything the Government is relying on us ...the taxpayers to fund everything....including this Quagmire in Iraq....among ALOT of other things. Without "US" ...they wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING.

You say get involved GrowlingTiger.....are you invoved...and if you are what are you doing?

I am constantly contacting my representatives and others to voice my displeasure about things that I don't agree with.

I write letters. I volunteer my time for causes/candidates (both local, state, and national) that I feel strongly about.

So, yes, I am involved. I wouldn't have made that statement if I wasn't. Stop being so defensive. Sit on your butt for all I care. Then, when my candidates get elected, issues I believe in get attention, you will be the one scratching your head asking yourself: 'What could I have done?'

Come on. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I only responded in kind.

[pnthrfan]

GrowlingTiger.....I want to apologize. I am very sorry for basically attacking you in my last post. You were very kind to me in an earlier post and I jumped down your throat. It was uncalled for and rude of me, and I am sorry. :doh2:

[GrowlingTiger87]

Apology accepted. We can all make a difference, regardless of our political views. That's what our forefathers would want: healthy debate that leads to results.

Again, thanks for the apology. It's all good.

[werperry]

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