Berry says he doesn’t owe an apology to Perry’s Frease

[obie7661]

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=23148&r=2&Category=1

“...If it was any other person on the Central Catholic team that would’ve hit him, it wouldn’t have been a big deal,” said Berry. “It wouldn’t have been blown out of proportion and have been in the papers for a year. (Kenny Frease) needs to suck it up. It’s basketball. He’s soft. I’m telling you, he’s soft....”

[giant lugey]

This kid has alot of growing up to do.

[austinsm11]

Very classy. :wall:

[Indiana95]

It appears that he may finally learn a lesson when he pulls this BS in the Army. Hopefully he comes back from that experience with a little humility and a sense of personal responsibility.

[CarlE]

His parents must be so proud of his trash classless ass. Oh wait. That's where he GOT it.

[The Voice]

Lets not be TOO quick to hang this kid.. There are alot of perceptions about him. He is not rich, he comes from the navarre area. He lives with His father, (I think) and the dad hasn't been healthy. To my understanding he has always been a 'tough' kid that just doesn't take any crap!. I think that some of the conrtibuting factors did play a role in this event. His attitude did not reflect the typical Central philosophy; and I think that if it were the same injury with two different players, it would not have received the media attention that it did. That being said; Berry ain't no Angel; but I think the real long term damage here was done by the media and the Perry police chief who pretty much played judge and jury with this kid in front of the camera.

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[CarlE]

Lets not be TOO quick to hang this kid.. There are alot of perceptions about him. He is not rich, he comes from the navarre area. He lives with His father, (I think) and the dad hasn't been healthy. To my understanding he has always been a 'tough' kid that just doesn't take any crap!. I think that some of the conrtibuting factors did play a role in this event. His attitude did not reflect the typical Central philosophy; and I think that if it were the same injury with two different players, it would not have received the media attention that it did. That being said; Berry ain't no Angel; but I think the real long term damage here was done by the media and the Perry police chief who pretty much played judge and jury with this kid in front of the camera.

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No, the longterm damage was done when he refused to take responsibility for his actions or even apologize. MONTHS later. And then another shoving match to get kicked off the team? Sorry, Voice this is nothing but classless trash to me.

[Paul Brown]

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=23148&r=2&Category=1

“He’s soft. I’m telling you, he’s soft....”


HAHA

[TigerCoach]

There is nothing that can convince me that this wasn't a malicious, dirty act. I was at Perry High the next night and watched it on tape 50 times in slow motion. Just the fact that this kid can't apologize almost a year later tells me that he's guilty as charged!

[monte81]

There is nothing that can convince me that this wasn't a malicious, dirty act. I was at Perry High the next night and watched it on tape 50 times in slow motion. Just the fact that this kid can't apologize almost a year later tells me that he's guilty as charged!

I also watched the video and a hard foul TC is a hard foul!! That is things that happen in competitive sports. I feel that it was a good hard foul and not done on purpose to injure Frease.

In the city Championship in LA/Longfellow we were up 1 with about 30 seconds in the game. My cousin Kevin Pettis stole the ball(LA) and was streaking for the winning layup---I ran down court and knocked him into the wall hurting his ankle. He missed the next 3 games---he made the free throws and they won the game. I would do it again tofay being a competitive person that I am. We laugh about the play these days---but everyone in the neighborhood knows that "I REFUSE TO LOSE"!

[TigerCoach]

Monte,

Kenny Frease was holding the ball a good 18" above his head and Berry hit him right in the eye. His excuse was that he was "swatting at the ball" and trying to knock it loose. That's BS! If he was trying to knock the ball loose, he would have hit him in the arm.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

You are so all over Berry. Trash, classless...I've heard worse. Frease will be fine...I saw him against Lake and he looked good in a 71-61 win over the Blue Streaks.

Right now, there isn't a more forceful dunker than Frease himself...you should see the conviction in his eyes whenever he dunks. It's a very intimidating presence.

[austinsm11]

Even if it was an accident, which I doubt it was, why wouldn't you apologize when you could have ended someone's career?

[Indiana95]

Even if it was an accident, which I doubt it was, why wouldn't you apologize when you could have ended someone's career?

Exactly! The answer is because he is a typical cocky ass kid who thinks he's tough. I don't know about anyone else, but when I "accidently" bump into someone, much less hurt them unintentionally, I feel pretty bad and will exclaim my apologies until they accept and still feel bad if they do. Berry refusing to apologize to this day proves the point that he is a piece of trash who meant to hurt the kid and will get his in time. It always works out that way. Thank goodness for karma.:thumbsup:

[CarlE]

Right on. Frease will end up with a college scholarship and a great career. Berry will end up mowing Frease's lawn someday. THEN let's see if he apologizes!! LOL.

[Paul Brown]

Right on. Frease will end up with a college scholarship and a great career. Berry will end up mowing Frease's lawn someday. THEN let's see if he apologizes!! LOL.

I doubt any kid that joined the United States military will end up mowing anyones lawn.

[CarlE]

I doubt any kid that joined the United States military will end up mowing anyones lawn.

Yeah, with his attitude he has a REAL good chance of making it through, don't you think?

[Paul Brown]

Yeah, with his attitude he has a REAL good chance of making it through, don't you think?

I have friends who were much worse than him who had their lives turned around by the military. He'll be fine.

[CarlE]

I have friends who were much worse than him who had their lives turned around by the military. He'll be fine.

Good. I hope he gets the hell kicked out of him for good measure.

[Paul Brown]

Good. I hope he gets the hell kicked out of him for good measure.

I'm sure he's had the hell kicked outta him before. I'm pretty sure that's not going to help .

[massillon catholic]

Monte,

Kenny Frease was holding the ball a good 18" above his head and Berry hit him right in the eye. .

Frease 7', Berry 6' maybe. Add 18" to Frease and you are close to nine feet. I'm not defending Berry nor have I seen the tape, but it seems reasonable to me that he could have hit him in the eye trying to get the ball. With that being said, Berry is one tough guy and if he wanted to take out Frease, he could very easily. The problem is, when someone is as tough as he is and he is tough, if he hurts someone it is automaically considered to be intentional. The bottom line is only Berry knows whether it was intentional.

[monte81]

Monte,

Kenny Frease was holding the ball a good 18" above his head and Berry hit him right in the eye. His excuse was that he was "swatting at the ball" and trying to knock it loose. That's BS! If he was trying to knock the ball loose, he would have hit him in the arm.


From the tape I saw it was not even that hard of a foul and in my opinion he was swatting at the ball--he jumped up to swat the ball and it he hit him. however, nothing wrong with apoligizing or not apoligizing because its all part of the game.

last year Kobe Bryant hit a player(s) in the face with his arm being fouled on the way down from shooting. He was suspeneded for the incident and it was BS as well. Players need to be more physical and Frease will get fouled alot harder than that with Xavier's schedule! He better toughen up---I see much smaller players handling him in the paint and a 7 foot and 260+ that should NEVER happen especially in HS bball

[Al.]

I doubt any kid that joined the United States military will end up mowing anyones lawn.

Maybe his drill sergeant :scratchchin:

[Benchboss1]

The one part of the story that I agree with is when Berry called Frease soft. He is like a freaking marshmallow!!

[fyrewood]

From seeing Frease play, I'd agree with that.

[monte81]

I doubt any kid that joined the United States military will end up mowing anyones lawn.

LOL!! You must not have ever served in the military!!! Soldiers when not in a war zone often due details(duties) that have lawn care involved, mopping and buffing floors, moving furniture, etc,.... combined with the military tactical training. If you worked for me in the Army----if not the best soldier in my squad you would get many duties not combat or military related. How do you think the military bases are so clean? When you are a private you get BS details just because its about discipline, work ethic, and TEAM!! The worst duty Berry may get is shit burning detail if he ever gets deployed to the Middle East----no modern bathrooms in the war zones and desert! The object of the game is to be the best at jyour job and make rank so you can be a boss---I made E-5/Sgt in 2 years(fast track) and still worked my butt off because I loved my troops!

Oh---alot of landscaping companies are owned by Veterans!

[Paul Brown]

LOL!! You must not have ever served in the military!!! Soldiers when not in a war zone often due details(duties) that have lawn care involved, mopping and buffing floors, moving furniture, etc,.... combined with the military tactical training. If you worked for me in the Army----if not the best soldier in my squad you would get many duties not combat or military related. How do you think the military bases are so clean? When you are a private you get BS details just because its about discipline, work ethic, and TEAM!! The worst duty Berry may get is shit burning detail if he ever gets deployed to the Middle East----no modern bathrooms in the war zones and desert! The object of the game is to be the best at jyour job and make rank so you can be a boss---I made E-5/Sgt in 2 years(fast track) and still worked my butt off because I loved my troops!

Oh---alot of landscaping companies are owned by Veterans!

I meant post-commitment.

[TigerCoach]

Frease 7', Berry 6' maybe. Add 18" to Frease and you are close to nine feet. I'm not defending Berry nor have I seen the tape, but it seems reasonable to me that he could have hit him in the eye trying to get the ball. With that being said, Berry is one tough guy and if he wanted to take out Frease, he could very easily. The problem is, when someone is as tough as he is and he is tough, if he hurts someone it is automaically considered to be intentional. The bottom line is only Berry knows whether it was intentional.

Frease was holding the ball up above his outstretched arms. 7' plus another 2' of arm length. Berry is 6' and his arms are shorter, thus I generalized about 18" difference. Besides, if you haven't seen the tape, how can you have an opinion? Geez, I thought spending some time with Carle would have made you at least a little smarter?

[CarlE]

Frease 7', Berry 6' maybe. Add 18" to Frease and you are close to nine feet. I'm not defending Berry nor have I seen the tape, but it seems reasonable to me that he could have hit him in the eye trying to get the ball. With that being said, Berry is one tough guy and if he wanted to take out Frease, he could very easily. The problem is, when someone is as tough as he is and he is tough, if he hurts someone it is automaically considered to be intentional. The bottom line is only Berry knows whether it was intentional.

Intentional or not, don't you think that just due to the fact he was injured so bad that there should have been an apology? Sorry, MC I don't get the attitude of this one.

[massillon catholic]

Frease was holding the ball up above his outstretched arms. 7' plus another 2' of arm length. Berry is 6' and his arms are shorter, thus I generalized about 18" difference. Besides, if you haven't seen the tape, how can you have an opinion? Geez, I thought spending some time with Carle would have made you at least a little smarter?


Carl taught me to be open-minded, therefore my statement that it could have been "reasonable" that he was trying to get the ball. Besides, I was too busy beating Carl in golf than to listen to him too much.

[casey]

CarleE's post was "right on" IMO. I thought the same thing last night, prior to Carl's posting. If one does something (even if it is unintentional) that hurts another person, the humane response would be to apologize. Most of us do it all of the time--if we bump into someone at the grocery store, at a game, etc. By making a big deal of refusing to apologize, it highlights the incident, and to be honest, I'll bet that most people have already forgotten most of the details about it.

[CarlE]

Carl taught me to be open-minded, therefore my statement that it could have been "reasonable" that he was trying to get the ball. Besides, I was too busy beating Carl in golf than to listen to him too much.

OUCH. And as much as I would like to have some type of a rhetorical response to this the fact of the matter is, and get ready folks: I am SPEECHLESS.

[NCViking]

I personally dont see the point in Berry apologizing for something that was an accident. Basketball at times can be a rough sport, believe me I know because I was a post player. Kenny Frease is 7 ft. tall and should be able to fend off little pip squeaks like Berry. Rob Toth,the Perry Police Chief, and the Frease family blew this entire thing way out of reality just to further more tarnish this young mans reputation. The game tape was studied many times and they found that it wasnt intentional.Isn't the entire philosophy of the American legal system "Innocent until proven guilty". Last time I checked Corey Berry was not proven guilty of any charges.....

[CarlE]

I personally dont see the point in Berry apologizing for something that was an accident. Basketball at times can be a rough sport, believe me I know because I was a post player. Kenny Frease is 7 ft. tall and should be able to fend off little pip squeaks like Berry. Rob Toth,the Perry Police Chief, and the Frease family blew this entire thing way out of reality just to further more tarnish this young mans reputation. The game tape was studied many times and they found that it wasnt intentional.Isn't the entire philosophy of the American legal system "Innocent until proven guilty". Last time I checked Corey Berry was not proven guilty of any charges.....

So I bump into somebody in the grocery store and knock them on their asses. I doubt I'm going to get charged with a crime so I won't apologize, OK? Apples and oranges. Blew it out of proportion? The poor kid had bones broken in his nose for God's sake. Further tarnish this young man's reputation? The trash-ass thug is doing a good enough job of that himself. This has NOTHING to do with the American legal system. This is about civility in and of itself. Something this amoeba knows NOTHING about.

[massillon catholic]

OUCH. I am SPEECHLESS.


UNBELIEVABLE:thumbsup:

[mike_da_man13]

I personally dont see the point in Berry apologizing for something that was an accident. Basketball at times can be a rough sport, believe me I know because I was a post player. Kenny Frease is 7 ft. tall and should be able to fend off little pip squeaks like Berry. Rob Toth,the Perry Police Chief, and the Frease family blew this entire thing way out of reality just to further more tarnish this young mans reputation. The game tape was studied many times and they found that it wasnt intentional.Isn't the entire philosophy of the American legal system "Innocent until proven guilty". Last time I checked Corey Berry was not proven guilty of any charges.....

i agree one hundred percent. I also played in the post and in practice i have had my share of black eyes and nose dislocations. suck it up thats basketball.

[CarlE]

You guys are TOTALLY missing the point. It's not about basketball, or how rough it is underneath. It's about the callousness and the crassness of someone who hurt somebody, accidental or not, and refuses to even acknowledge the fact that an apology might be the civil thing to do. Does that make sense?

[TigerCoach]

I understand that things happen in contact sports, you don't need to tell me that. My point is that IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. He freaking clocked him in the face. The referee who was there is no longer in the Federal League because of it and how he failed to handle it.

[massillon catholic]

I understand that things happen in contact sports, you don't need to tell me that. My point is that IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. He freaking clocked him in the face. The referee who was there is no longer in the Federal League because of it and how he failed to handle it.

You've seen the video, so we have to, at least, considered your position as being the most informed here. Was the ref donald walker? lol

[TigerCoach]

You've seen the video, so we have to, at least, considered your position as being the most informed here. Was the ref donald walker? lol

No, it was not Don Walker. He deserves to get smacked, and I've told him that several times. He officiates basketball also and I remind him every time I see him of the travesty he created a few years back.

I was in Rob Toth's office the next night and we watched it 30-35 times in slow motion, fast motion, frame-by-frame, etc..He flagrantly punched him. It may not be criminal, but it was very flagrant.

[casey]

CarleE is "right on" again, in my opinion. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are as far as everiyday life or athletics. It does matter if one has a conscience and realizes that they might have injured another person's body or psyche even if it is unintentional. Apologizing for an unintentional injury would be the way we would have handled it "back in the day"; perhaps times have changed.

[werperry]

carle is spot on once again.

...At this point in time... It's not a question of whether or not his intent was malicious. The debate is whether or not the KID should show remorse. For God's sake...He BROKE a bone in someone's eye! Intentional or NOT...you would think ANYONE with a shred of decency would show sympathy!?!


But, going back to the play. For those of you defending his actions... I believe I remember that D-bag dancing around like a WWE wrestler after he realized Kenny was hurt. AGAIN...intentional or not...you would like to think a HUMAN BEING would show remorse or concern over another injured player? Look...I'm as competitive as anyone else...and I WILL take your head off in competition. BUT, that is where it ends. That's where is SHOULD end.



I am a fully believer in karma...and what goes around, comes around. I hope the kid grows up...and learns humility...quickly...or he'll have a rough time in the service.

[Seeker]

Am I the only one remembering BG boldly walking across the field at the Iggy game to apologize to the kid he took out?

[smorgusborgus]

Scenario... if he apologizes (an admission of his wrongdoing) could he be setting himself up for a civil suit..? Paying medical bills, etc? Unfortunately, in this day, it is not so much a stretch. Think about it..

[massillon catholic]

I was in Rob Toth's office the next night and we watched it 30-35 times in slow motion, fast motion, frame-by-frame, etc..He flagrantly punched him. It may not be criminal, but it was very flagrant.


Im a neighbor of Toth, friends with both him and his wife and he says the same thing that you say. However, I know Rob gets intense and sometimes gets a little carried away. But, in this case, I believe, that you believe what you saw was an intentional act.

[Indiana95]

i agree one hundred percent. I also played in the post and in practice i have had my share of black eyes and nose dislocations. suck it up thats basketball.

And did the guys who gave you those black eyes and nose dislocations look down on you, calling you "soft" and walk away? Or did they apologize with a "my bad" or "you OK?" That's the difference here. No apologies means intent..

[Paul Brown]

Besides, I was too busy beating Carl in golf than to listen to him too much.

So you'll let MC kick your ass in golf but you're too scared to play me?

[monte81]

Am I the only one remembering BG boldly walking across the field at the Iggy game to apologize to the kid he took out?


Believe this---BG didn't apoligize for the hit he apoligized for standing over him celebrating with Darion not knowing the kid was out for the season.
Berry didn't celebrate and chest bump his teammates---BG is an animal and will play defense as well next season!

[CarlE]

Berry didn't celebrate and chest bump his teammates

You're right. The scum-trash just went dancing around the floor celebrating. Nice. Monte, get real and quit sticking up for this. It's pure trash. Remorse? Look it up in the dictionary.

[CarlE]

So you'll let MC kick your ass in golf but you're too scared to play me?

You're not allowed on our course. LOL.

[Paul Brown]

You're not allowed on our course. LOL.

So your course Crystal Lake? I noticed the sign said "no good golfers allowed".

[CarlE]

So your course Crystal Lake? I noticed the sign said "no good golfers allowed".

Teasing, bro. You come down here, we'll tee it up. Anytime. And yes, you'll probably kick my ass but that's pretty much the norm these days since I don't get to play very much!!! You just somehow get to I-75 and head south. I'll take it from there!! Or get the Mapquest directions from MassillonCatholic.

[monte81]

You're right. The scum-trash just went dancing around the floor celebrating. Nice. Monte, get real and quit sticking up for this. It's pure trash. Remorse? Look it up in the dictionary.

Frease needs to "man up" and play basketball. if he played harder no 6 foot player would touch is face carle because he would be above the rim.

BG did't apoligize to Parris and Berry shouldn't apoligize to Frease. That whats wrong with sports today---everybody wants to a big crybaby instead of just kicking @ss!
I have never apoligized for anything that happened in a game--play to win--ALWAYS! If players go around saying sorry every 5 seconds of the game you would lose every night.

it's cool Carle---- differance of opinion--- I live hard, played harder, and probably die with 10 at my funeral but I DONT CARE!!!

[austinsm11]

Frease needs to "man up" and play basketball. if he played harder no 6 foot player would touch is face carle because he would be above the rim.

BG did't apoligize to Parris and Berry shouldn't apoligize to Frease. That whats wrong with sports today---everybody wants to a big crybaby instead of just kicking @ss!
I have never apoligized for anything that happened in a game--play to win--ALWAYS! If players go around saying sorry every 5 seconds of the game you would lose every night.

it's cool Carle---- differance of opinion--- I live hard, played harder, and probably die with 10 at my funeral but I DONT CARE!!!

A 6 foot player can't hit a 7 foot player in the face if he would "man up"??? Are you kidding? That is just stupid.

Getting punched in the face has NOTHING to do with being soft. Maybe Frease is, but who cares. Wether accidental or on purpose, Berry should "man up" and apologize.

Someone almost ends another kids career, whether accidental or not, and can't be a MAN and apologize?

[austinsm11]

I guess this guy isn't a man, just a crybaby:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2285361

Pittsburgh Steelers defensive lineman Kimo von Oelhoffen spent half his NFL career playing in Cincinnati and still has great affection for the Bengals and the town.

No wonder he doesn't want to spend the next nine months being the city's most disliked man.

Von Oelhoffen's unintentionally firm tug on quarterback Carson Palmer's left knee during the Bengals' second play of the game Sunday put Palmer out with a serious injury and affected the course of the Steelers' 31-17 victory.

Afterward, von Oelhoffen apologized to Palmer, his family and the Bengals' fans, saying no player ever wants to hurt another.

"Yeah, I hate to see that happen to any player," von Oelhoffen said. "I don't think anybody on this team would intentionally do something like that."

[Paul Brown]

Teasing, bro. You come down here, we'll tee it up. Anytime. And yes, you'll probably kick my ass but that's pretty much the norm these days since I don't get to play very much!!! You just somehow get to I-75 and head south. I'll take it from there!! Or get the Mapquest directions from MassillonCatholic.

I'll probably be in West Palm sometime in the spring to visit a friend of mine. Perhaps then.

And Crystal Lake really does have a sign that says "no good golfers allowed" that wasn't just a smartass comment.

[CarlE]

I'll probably be in West Palm sometime in the spring to visit a friend of mine. Perhaps then.

And Crystal Lake really does have a sign that says "no good golfers allowed" that wasn't just a smartass comment.

I've never heard of Crystal Lake.

[monte81]

A 6 foot player can't hit a 7 foot player in the face if he would "man up"??? Are you kidding? That is just stupid.

Getting punched in the face has NOTHING to do with being soft. Maybe Frease is, but who cares. Wether accidental or on purpose, Berry should "man up" and apologize.

Someone almost ends another kids career, whether accidental or not, and can't be a MAN and apologize?

Stupid? Hell yeah Frease should man up and continue his career--if he thinks that is the worse that will happen in years of bball then he should hang up the Nikes bro!! He didn't punch him in the face with a closed fist--he slapped at the ball---PERIOD!! I tore my ACL playing bball coming down from a dunk and the opposing player undercut me----I did't cry, whine, or want an apology---its basketball! I went to surgery, came back 9 nine months later and lead my team to the championship the next year---MAN UP!

if Berry doesn't want to apoligize so what---move on! Who are you to tell him what he should and should not do!

The C. Palmer hit was illegal---that's the differance in the situation!!!

[austinsm11]

The C. Palmer hit was illegal---that's the differance in the situation!!!

So hitting someone in the face with an opened or closed hand is legal?

[austinsm11]

if Berry doesn't want to apoligize so what---move on! Who are you to tell him what he should and should not do!



I'm not telling Berry what to do. He is showing how classless he is to begin with. I wouldn't expect an apology either, but if I was the one who injured someone bad enough to keep them out for several games I would apologize whether it was done on purpose or not.

Put yourself in the situation, you swat at the ball and hit Frease... A very good player with tons of potential may never play basketball again. Even if it wasn't on purpose, you wouldn't go to make sure he was ok at least after the game? You wouldn't feel bad that he hurt this player and he may miss the season or worse not even play again?

BTW, Berry has show how much of "man" he is in the past for beating people up. He gets suspended from school for a fight and kicked of the team and now the poor guy has been turned off from basketball. That sounds like the true crybaby.

[monte81]

I'm not telling Berry what to do. He is showing how classless he is to begin with. I wouldn't expect an apology either, but if I was the one who injured someone bad enough to keep them out for several games I would apologize whether it was done on purpose or not.

Put yourself in the situation, you swat at the ball and hit Frease... A very good player with tons of potential may never play basketball again. Even if it wasn't on purpose, you wouldn't go to make sure he was ok at least after the game? You wouldn't feel bad that he hurt this player and he may miss the season or worse not even play again?

BTW, Berry has show how much of "man" he is in the past for beating people up. He gets suspended from school for a fight and kicked of the team and now the poor guy has been turned off from basketball. That sounds like the true crybaby.

He missed a few games---so what! Thats part of sports! man up!

The open hand was used to go after the ball not his face it was an accident and no apology needed in sports! You never want to see an opponent get hurt but its part of the game---PERIOD! Like I said, that is what is wrong with our kids today. We always want someone to feal sorry for them, give them something, etc,.... he's playing bball, got a schollie to Xavier, and a chance to get to the NBA---he should be worrying about this season--not last year!

[austinsm11]

He missed a few games---so what! Thats part of sports! man up!

The open hand was used to go after the ball not his face it was an accident and no apology needed in sports! You never want to see an opponent get hurt but its part of the game---PERIOD! Like I said, that is what is wrong with our kids today. We always want someone to feal sorry for them, give them something, etc,.... he's playing bball, got a schollie to Xavier, and a chance to get to the NBA---he should be worrying about this season--not last year!

You implied that what he did was legal. Is it?

No apology needed in sports? What about the hockey guy who took out the other player with his stick? So you have a problem with Kimo apologizing? How about this:

"You watch it happen, my thoughts and prayers go out to Carson," Roethlisberger said. "You could see Kimo was stumbling going down. He's not that kind of player. Carson's a great player. Any time you lose a great player like him, it's devastating."

I guess Big Ben isn't a man.


You are right that Frease should move on. It is obvious that Berry will never be half the man he is.

I guess that shows what kind of a "man" some people are. Caring about another human being that shows enthusium and heart for the same sport you play is not "manly."

[monte81]

You implied that what he did was legal. Is it?

No apology needed in sports? What about the hockey guy who took out the other player with his stick? So you have a problem with Kimo apologizing? How about this:

I guess Big Ben isn't a man.


You are right that Frease should move on. It is obvious that Berry will never be half the man he is.

I guess that shows what kind of a "man" some people are. Caring about another human being that shows enthusium and heart for the same sport you play is not "manly."

No argument---we disagree on the aplogy aspect of what happened! Cool with me. being a man has nothing to do with saying Im sorry--- its what you do after that is what matters. Berry will make an manly scacrifice joining the Army-- that is becoming a man to me! he will continue to grow as a man in the military! I hope we dont expect him to apoligize everytime he shots his rifle, throw a granade, or fire a rocket launcher in Iraq.

I hope that"man" comment was not directed at me---- I am 100% man--ALWAYS!

[CarlE]

Like I said, that is what is wrong with our kids today. We always want someone to feal sorry for them, give them something, etc,....


BULLSHIT, Monte. I had 12 year olds throwing pitches to get batters off the plate last year so believe me I'm not feeling sorry for ANYBODY. What I AM doing is showing some freaking civility for the situation. You guys are not.

[Paul Brown]

I've never heard of Crystal Lake.

It's a par 3 course that I pass everyday on my way to work. I've never went there b/c it says no good golfers allowed.

[massillon catholic]

Like I said, that is what is wrong with our kids today. We always want someone to feal sorry for them, give them something, etc!

And, where do you think this line of thinking comes from?

[CarlE]

It's a par 3 course that I pass everyday on my way to work. I've never went there b/c it says no good golfers allowed.

Yes, yes PB. We are getting the jist of your posts. We KNOW why you've never gone there!!! LOL.

[Paul Brown]

Yes, yes PB. We are getting the jist of your posts. We KNOW why you've never gone there!!! LOL.

LOL im just being dumb.

[monte81]

And, where do you think this line of thinking comes from?

Frease got it from his parents with the proposed lawsuit against berry last year! Teaching him that he can run and let someone else fight for him instead of finishing the mission! The Berry/Frease situation is dead and Frease has some big fish to fry and Berry as well!

[werperry]

What I AM doing is showing some freaking civility for the situation. You guys are not.


A-FRIGGIN-MEN Carle...some of the responses are absolutlely ridiculous. This "man-up" mantra that is being spewed is complete macho bullshit.

[Paul Brown]

werperry needs to seriously man up.

[massillon catholic]

A-FRIGGIN-MEN Carle...some of the responses are absolutlely ridiculous. This "man-up" mantra that is being spewed is complete macho bullshit.


Lighten up, Francis!

[werperry]

Berry didn't celebrate and chest bump his teammates

:wtf: ...are you talking about. Watch the long version of the video. Berry stolled, danced and pumped his fists around that gym like he was the baddest man on the planet.

It's sad the sh*t you're posting.

[werperry]

Lighten up, Francis!

you (and PB) just made the list buddy...

:jestera:

[massillon catholic]

you (and PB) just made the list buddy...

:jestera:

Would that be your Christmas list?

[monte81]

:wtf: ...are you talking about. Watch the long version of the video. Berry stolled, danced and pumped his fists around that gym like he was the baddest man on the planet.

It's sad the sh*t you're posting.

Tell Frease to forget it and play basketball! best advice I have given all day!LOL

You miss the whole point that it was a year ago---MOVE FORWARD and excel now!

[werperry]

perhaps NEXT Christmas...

[massillon catholic]

Tell Frease to forget it and play basketball! best advice I have given all day!LOL

You miss the whole point that it was a year ago---MOVE FORWARD and excel now!


It is "old" news

[werperry]

Tell Frease to forget it and play basketball! best advice I have given all day!LOL

You miss the whole point that it was a year ago---MOVE FORWARD and excel now!

I believe I made a similar point. What's done is done...so, I don't necessarily disagree with you there.

But, Frease didn't re-ignite the flames asking for an apology... Did he? A reporter was asking him questions regarding the incident, and a question regarding an apology. No where did it mention "Kenny wants an apology"

I believe it was Berry who contacted the Inde (in reference to the 2007 Top Ten List)...and further inflaming an OLD situation by saying that Frease is soft..."I'm telling you he's soft"


whatever...it's done. both go their seperate ways...and live life.

[massillon catholic]

whatever...it's done. both go their seperate ways...and live life.

EXACTLY!! Its over.

[Kamd50]

I have to say, Monte, that more often than not, I completely agree with you. But, when you comment that "saying your sorry has nothing to do with being a man", I have to completely disagree with you.

I have always felt that it speaks volumes of a person's character to be able to say that they are sorry. Further, that it be done upfront, not after being prodded or advised to do so by others. Not, necessarily for hitting the other player on purpose, but for the result of his actions, intentional or not. It's just something that should come naturally , especially in the name of good sportsmanship. Doesn't that even matter anymore?

Personally,I have got to go with TC's opinion on the call, being that #1. he is a ref himself, #2. he's reviewed the film countless times, and #3. he is an honorable man with no ulterior motives.

Berry has only himself to blame as far as the tarnishment of his own reputation is concerned. Heck, the above mentioned incidents are only the ones that have been publicized. He NEEDS the military in order to straighten himself out, imho.

[Perry74]

I think 99% of us would have gone over to Frease after this happened to see if he was OK and to help out any way we could. We also would have apologized. End of story.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Frease has moved on and is playing like a monster possessed. What happened is over and I think everyone needs to move on.

[dataintsmiff]

being a man has nothing to do with saying Im sorry--- its what you do after that is what matters.

Man are you sadly mistaken or maybe just really misguided. I hope you don't truly believe that....if you do, I feel really sorry for you!

[monte81]

Like I said, Berry owes Frease NOTHING! If you think that in the world we live in---you are misguided! I never stated what I would do! I broke a players coller bone in a game, cheered win I hit him, and felt bad afterwards but never gave a formal apology! It is part of the game---not saying I wouldn't but didn't at the time.

People over estimate a "word" becuase most of the time it is just a gesture of convienience anyway!

Frease move on and good luck at Xaiver and all future goals!!!

I stick to my 1st post on the subject that the play was an accident and it is over!

[austinsm11]

Like I said, Berry owes Frease NOTHING! If you think that in the world we live in---you are misguided!

Very sad.

Might want to think who is misguided when you feel that seriously hurting someone and you don't owe them an apology, regardless of whether it was an accident or not.

[monte81]

Very sad.

Might want to think who is misguided when you feel that seriously hurting someone and you don't owe them an apology, regardless of whether it was an accident or not.

You again!
He doesn't owe him NOTHING, now if he if he does good for him but if not--OH WELL!

Good gesture but not needed if he(Berry) wishes not to give it!

[austinsm11]

I realize that we don't always have the opportunity to apologize for an injury during a sporting event. I was under the impression that the Inde is the one who brought all of this up...and not Frease. I think Frease has moved on.

Let's put it this way Monte, if the paper came up to you after you broke the guy's collar bone, would you apologize? I would hope so.

Berry could have simply said that what happened was an accident and that he was sorry to see someone get injured during the game. Instead he calls him soft? Very classy.

[monte81]

I realize that we don't always have the opportunity to apologize for an injury during a sporting event. I was under the impression that the Inde is the one who brought all of this up...and not Frease. I think Frease has moved on.

Let's put it this way Monte, if the paper came up to you after you broke the guy's collar bone, would you apologize? I would hope so.

Berry could have simply said that what happened was an accident and that he was sorry to see someone get injured during the game. Instead he calls him soft? Very classy.

Never said Berry was right in saying Frease was soft--- but if the shoe fits, I guess! It is Berry's choice to apoligize and if not---no harm done! it is all part of the game, the injury was an accident going for the ball---maybe if everyone didn't jump on the kid for the play things might have been differant but EVERYONE put him on a cross for the incident and I would get ticked off as well! back off the kid and let him serve our COuntry!

I would say I didn't mean to hurt the dude but it was a clean hit!! He was quoted in the paper as saying he wanted to play against me again someday and skake my hand for a great game! He went on to star at Central State at QB for 4 years.

[Red50Go]

Uh oh. The PC police are out again. Better say sorry whenever you hurt someone. You can show class though. Like Gamble did w/ that Parris kid. But "sorry"??? What is that? You try to play physical, and try to hurt people. Injuries are sometimes an unfortunate byproduct. You know it going in. Might be the 1st but wont be the last.

As far as the play in question, at worst it was reckless, but not on purpose. The old-timers brag all the time about "message plays." Part of the game. Water under the bridge now anyway.

[monte81]

Uh oh. The PC police are out again. Better say sorry whenever you hurt someone. You can show class though. Like Gamble did w/ that Parris kid. But "sorry"??? What is that? You try to play physical, and try to hurt people. Injuries are sometimes an unfortunate byproduct. You know it going in. Might be the 1st but wont be the last.

As far as the play in question, at worst it was reckless, but not on purpose. The old-timers brag all the time about "message plays." Part of the game. Water under the bridge now anyway.


Exactly! GO HARD OR GO HOME!!! If I was a HS coach I want players on my team who are reckless at times and will go all out for the team. I never want to see a player injured but it happens and you move on or go cry!

[werperry]

Good gesture but not needed if he(Berry) wishes not to give it!

...and I would agree to a certain extent... but, a year later that D-bag is STILL running his mouth in the paper calling Frease soft.


:thumbsdown:

[werperry]

Let's put it this way Monte, if the paper came up to you after you broke the guy's collar bone, would you apologize? I would hope so.

Berry could have simply said that what happened was an accident and that he was sorry to see someone get injured during the game. Instead he calls him soft? Very classy.

Exactly.

Monte...if a reporter asked you a year later how you felt about breaking that kid's collar bone.... how would you respond?

I would bet my left-nut you'd sound a bit remorseful...maybe not a full apology... but, i GUARANTEE you would NOT be calling the guy out for being soft. "I'M TELLING YOU...HE'S SOFT".

[werperry]

Uh oh. The PC police are out again.

:rolleyes: This isn't a debate on whether Berry should wish Frease "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays"...

[massillon catholic]

You again!
He doesn't owe him NOTHING


Monte: What college did you attend? The correct word would be ANYTHING!

[dataintsmiff]

And you have no clue as well

[monte81]

Monte: What college did you attend? The correct word would be ANYTHING!


Whatever MC I guees you are the spell and grammer police as well!!!LOL Nothing or Anything it doesn't matter. berry syas no apology needed and Frease could be a 1st round pick in a few years. Concentrate on the new adventures of life!

BTW--- I attended UC briefly and I have a BA from Malone College!

[monte81]

Exactly.

Monte...if a reporter asked you a year later how you felt about breaking that kid's collar bone.... how would you respond?

I would bet my left-nut you'd sound a bit remorseful...maybe not a full apology... but, i GUARANTEE you would NOT be calling the guy out for being soft. "I'M TELLING YOU...HE'S SOFT".


I would of said I felt bad about his injury but i played to bring pain even in practice. I am not defending Berry but just pointing out that he owes no apology but should just drop it and move forward. The soft statement was not needed!

[SuperBran]

monte,

if this happened to one of your family members and their career was in jeopardy, i think you'd feel differently about some moron running around saying the guy was soft.