South Stands removal

[Out-N-Up]

South stands gone! That's a good sign, that one almost didn't go as planned.

[Tigerslover96]

South stands gone! That's a good sign, that one almost didn't go as planned.

WHat are they going to do with the stands? Add them to the other endzone?

[gotigers1]

WHat are they going to do with the stands? Add them to the other endzone?

They are moving the stands to the Middle School field and the Eagles Sports Complex.

[Tigerslover96]

They are moving the stands to the Middle School field and the Eagles Sports Complex.

So we will have less seating now?

[tiger embalmer]

So we will have less seating now?

Just for next season. We only sell out one game a year anyways so it should not be a problem. That is unless we have a great season and have to welcome back all the band wagon fans.

[Kamd50]

They are moving the stands to the Middle School field and the Eagles Sports Complex.

A very good and much needed use of them:thumbsup:

[Out-N-Up]

Humm.....last I heard they would go to the other end, gonna have to check that one out.

[TigerVic]

Just for next season. We only sell out one game a year anyways so it should not be a problem. That is unless we have a great season and have to welcome back all the band wagon fans.

We do have Ignatius and McKinley in PBTS in '08. Should we move those games (or at least any overflow fans from Iggy or McK- or even bandwagon fans) to the middle school field?

[Obie Wan]

We do have Ignatius and McKinley in PBTS in '08. Should we move those games (or at least any overflow fans from Iggy or McK- or even bandwagon fans) to the middle school field?
No -- we should cancel the games. Remember, we should not be playing games in venues that can't accommodate the crowd.

[MTigers006]

Yeah Wan, but there wasn't a problem untill some genious einstein decided to tinker with something ( OUR Stadium) that wasn't broken to begin with. What are they gonna do for seating over there now. I thought they was just gonna take some out of the middle. Now they are taking the whole end out. I knew I ddin't like this idea.

[CarlE]

Yeah Wan, but there wasn't a problem untill some genious einstein decided to tinker with something ( OUR Stadium) that wasn't broken to begin with. What are they gonna do for seating over there now. I thought they was just gonna take some out of the middle. Now they are taking the whole end out. I knew I ddin't like this idea.

WHOA! Is MTigers006 on the "genius" and "einstein" train now?? Thatta boy, MTigers006. Go get 'em, big man!!

[Obie Wan]

WHOA! Is MTigers006 on the "genius" and "einstein" train now?? Thatta boy, MTigers006. Go get 'em, big man!!
Actually, he's on the "genious" train.

[CarlE]

Actually, he's on the "genious" train.

You're worse than me. I was actually going to let him get by with that one, but oh no not Wan!!! LOL.

[jayjay65]

Yeah Wan, but there wasn't a problem untill some genious einstein decided to tinker with something ( OUR Stadium) that wasn't broken to begin with. What are they gonna do for seating over there now. I thought they was just gonna take some out of the middle. Now they are taking the whole end out. I knew I ddin't like this idea.

MTigers006 - When you post an inflammatory response that questions the intelligence of others, you MAY want to consider spell checking your work. Especially since the forum program underlines misspelled words...

untill? genious? ddin't?

Jsut a thuoght... :doh:

[MTigers006]

:oops2:

Or check it over before you hit that little button that says "post reply".
Its what happens when you try to be a speed demon on the keyboard. LOL
Just borrowing a couple of words from CarlE's trademark vocabulary.:poke:

[MTigers006]

How are they going to replace these stands and where are they going to put the band now? Massillon has always stood alone. Now we are going to start copying off of colleges and other people? These people who thought of this locker room idea and the Fed "Yes" Men can go straight you know where. Starting with the BOE and Tim Ridgely. Dont need them, Dont want them. We Massillon fans need to begin a cleansing process and get rid of this filth once and for all. Whats next a bowl? A Horseshoe? A freaking DOME? Fed League?
Maybe Fred Blosser is doing the SMART thing by getting out and not so stupid after all.
Leave the stadium freaking ALONE and the program for that matter. Limit transfers, and get back to old fashioned Massillon Tiger Football and let the coach do his job then you wont need CRAP like this and the dirty politics that go with them.

People who are long time season ticket holders and telling me they are concidering NOT renewing their season tickets in the future and any if not all support of Massillon Athletics/ Dirty Politics.

[pup pounder]

How are they going to replace these stands and where are they going to put the band now? Massillon has always stood alone. Now we are going to start copying off of colleges and other people? These people who thought of this locker room idea and the Fed "Yes" Men can go straight you know where. Starting with the BOE and Tim Ridgely. Dont need them, Dont want them. We Massillon fans need to begin a cleansing process and get rid of this filth once and for all. Whats next a bowl? A Horseshoe? A freaking DOME? Fed League?
Maybe Fred Blosser is doing the SMART thing by getting out and not so stupid after all.
Leave the stadium freaking ALONE and the program for that matter. Limit transfers, and get back to old fashioned Massillon Tiger Football and let the coach do his job then you wont need CRAP like this and the dirty politics that go with them.

People who are long time season ticket holders and telling me they are concidering NOT renewing their season tickets in the future and any if not all support of Massillon Athletics/ Dirty Politics.

SCROOGE!@#$%^&*(??

[tiger51]

Dirty politics....HUMMMM...maybe I am out of the loop but what about getting a beautiful new locker room is "dirty"...I am just struggling to understand your statements....

[caseybaby]

What is dirty about all the projects as far as i know there are none of our tax dollars being spend all donated money from what i understand unless i am wrong

[caseybaby]

oops sorry for a couple typos and gramer

[Paul Brown]

oops sorry for a couple typos and gramer

GRAMMAR

Sorry, I thought I'd fill in for the spelling police on this thread :)

[SuperBran]

What are they gonna do for seating over there now.

people will just have to sit somewhere else. considering (a) we've averaged about 9k per home game the last three years, and (b) we rarely are at capacity, there shouldn't be too many problems.

the sun will rise. life will go on.

Yeah Wan, but there wasn't a problem untill some genious einstein decided to tinker with something ( OUR Stadium) that wasn't broken to begin with. I thought they was just gonna take some out of the middle. Now they are taking the whole end out. I knew I ddin't like this idea.

How are they going to replace these stands and where are they going to put the band now? Massillon has always stood alone. Now we are going to start copying off of colleges and other people? These people who thought of this locker room idea and the Fed "Yes" Men can go straight you know where. Starting with the BOE and Tim Ridgely. Dont need them, Dont want them. We Massillon fans need to begin a cleansing process and get rid of this filth once and for all. Whats next a bowl? A Horseshoe? A freaking DOME? Fed League?
Maybe Fred Blosser is doing the SMART thing by getting out and not so stupid after all.
Leave the stadium freaking ALONE and the program for that matter. Limit transfers, and get back to old fashioned Massillon Tiger Football and let the coach do his job then you wont need CRAP like this and the dirty politics that go with them.

People who are long time season ticket holders and telling me they are concidering NOT renewing their season tickets in the future and any if not all support of Massillon Athletics/ Dirty Politics.

i can't believe i'm actually hearing someone b$%#$ing about IMPROVEMENTS to our stadium!! you are all about drama, aren't you?

[TIGER27]

We haven't sold out forever anyway. Yeah I go to 99.9 percent of games home and away and no one ever sits in there anyway. Maybe put the band in the other end zone I don't know it would be good for cheers having the student section and band right next to each other. No one really sits in section six on the home side so if we put them in there it would move the scattered fans over. The one problem I've always had even since I was about 6 or 7 is people sitting on the visitors side just so they can sit on the 50. I don't like it never have and never will.

[RRanger]

Yeah Wan, but there wasn't a problem untill some genious einstein decided to tinker with something ( OUR Stadium) that wasn't broken to begin with. What are they gonna do for seating over there now. I thought they was just gonna take some out of the middle. Now they are taking the whole end out. I knew I ddin't like this idea.

the one end zone, some of it will go into the outher end zone, we are not going to lose that much. you people bitch about everything before you no anything about THING'S wait and find out first. GO TIGER'S

[Banks]

the one end zone, some of it will go into the outher end zone, we are not going to lose that much. you people bitch about everything before you no anything about THING'S wait and find out first. GO TIGER'S

Last I heard that plan has changed.

[gotigers1]

the one end zone, some of it will go into the outher end zone, we are not going to lose that much. you people bitch about everything before you no anything about THING'S wait and find out first. GO TIGER'S

That plan has changed, from what I've heard as well.

[Banks]

How are they going to replace these stands and where are they going to put the band now? Massillon has always stood alone. Now we are going to start copying off of colleges and other people? These people who thought of this locker room idea and the Fed "Yes" Men can go straight you know where. Starting with the BOE and Tim Ridgely. Dont need them, Dont want them. We Massillon fans need to begin a cleansing process and get rid of this filth once and for all. Whats next a bowl? A Horseshoe? A freaking DOME? Fed League?


All this is the doing of the team owner.
If he wants a DOME there will be a DOME.

BTW I am not sure I follow you on the BAND statement.

[Banks]

That plan has changed, from what I've heard as well.

Maybe they want the Feds to feel more at home in a smaller stadium. But all in all we are only losing 1800 seats that we don't fill anyways.

[hrmjenl]

:obiefanfire:

All I can really say is WOW............................

[Banks]

:obiefanfire:

All I can really say is WOW............................

It really isn't the end of the world
I look forward to the changes!
However I stated this before
The old locker room should not be used by the vistors and that is where I would have put the Paul Brown Museum.

[mike_da_man13]

We haven't sold out forever anyway. Yeah I go to 99.9 percent of games home and away and no one ever sits in there anyway. Maybe put the band in the other end zone I don't know it would be good for cheers having the student section and band right next to each other. No one really sits in section six on the home side so if we put them in there it would move the scattered fans over. The one problem I've always had even since I was about 6 or 7 is people sitting on the visitors side just so they can sit on the 50. I don't like it never have and never will.

My dad buys us season tix on the 50 on the other side i gotta say it beats sitting on the 10yd line on the home side. Why does it matter where our fans sit? That's about as stupid as complaining about free things.

[hrmjenl]

My comment was in reference to the other posts on this thread that are so incredibly negative!!

Personally I think the changes are AWESOME and will only enhance PBTS. Ok we lose app. 1800 seats, we HAVEN'T sold out consistently in a long time, it's still one of the largest high school stadiums around. Moving the band to the other end zone is a GOOD move in my opinion. The Middle School needs bleachers and now they will have them.

What does improving the stadium have to do with the Fed League?

[jayjay65]

Good one! Duly noted. It wasn't the grammar I was correcting but the inherent irony of the context of the post.

All this Massillon owner stuff is good comedy too. I love good conspiracy theories and you guys are working some good ones here!

Since a few 'geniouses' are throwing your comments in I'll share what I see from my vantage point.

It seems to me like the David family has close ties to and a sense of pride in the Massillon community. So they decided to pay for facilities and bring in new curriculum to the tune of $4 million, according to the newspapers. No tax dollars, no bake sale, their own money. The facilities, from what people are saying, will rival those of some colleges and the curriculum will open up many new doors to students of the school for career exploration opportunities. So...the list of postings in these forums regarding this includes:

- We're losing end zone seating
- Where will the band sit
- Who's gonna pay for maintaining these facilities?
- What are they doing with the existing locker rooms?
- Where is Obie?
- Why are they allowing Aultman to participate?
- That's not where I would put the Paul Brown museum
- Don't touch the damn stadium
- B!tch, complain, whine

Seriously folks, if that isn't good comedy I don't know what is! Then, to top it off, we have the goofball 'owner' comments. For giggles, let's attempt to move that theory forward shall we? What would be the sinister motive for the David's to do this project? World domination? Future political run for Mayor? To change our traditions and eat away at the fabric of Massillon as they are REALLY from Canton!!? Alas, we have it! So that they could influence the hiring of the new Superintendent who is a supposed friend of theirs! To borrow from the famous beer ads - BRILLIANT! So (scratching my head and pointing like Columbo) I'm supposed to believe that the David's paid $4 million for these projects in some sort of 'dirty politics' move so that they could influence the BOE and get a job for a buddy....THAT'S beautiful! Totally unbelievable and illogical but beautiful nonetheless.

Why not just give the buddy $2 mill and let him retire to Florida with his family? That would be more of win-win-win-win for everybody! The buddy could kick back in the sun, the David's would save $2 mill and not have to hear of this conspiracy theory B.S. and 'owner' talk for trying to do something good for the community and the kids of Massillon and the school wouldn't have to maintain these new facilities that take away 1,600 seats from the end zone and spoil all the traditions! Best of all, some of you clowns could live like it's still 1950 knowing that the band is sitting comfortably in the south end zone stands, the old locker rooms have duct tape keeping the water from leaking from the pipes. All the while wondering why a high school education isn't good enough to raise a family on, because after all...it was good enough in 1950 so it damn well should be good enough now!!

Merry Christmas!

[tigersrbest]

The band didn't sit in the end zone in 1950. They sat in Sec 2 in front of the students. When someone (?) tried to move them to the end zone it was derided as a communist plot (I'm serious) and they stayed in Sec 2.

The band's move to the end zone was a rather recent move.

Anyhow, even in 1950 (think communist plot), things could get pretty interesting!

[obiefan]

Most excellent post JayJay!

I know I had to explain to mt006 once before about the stands and the new locker room. Can't find it, but I did.

As much as I'd like to give him a break, another part of me wants to muzzle him until this project is finished so he can finally see what kind of awesomeness we will have!



Good one! Duly noted. It wasn't the grammar I was correcting but the inherent irony of the context of the post.

All this Massillon owner stuff is good comedy too. I love good conspiracy theories and you guys are working some good ones here!

Since a few 'geniouses' are throwing your comments in I'll share what I see from my vantage point.

It seems to me like the David family has close ties to and a sense of pride in the Massillon community. So they decided to pay for facilities and bring in new curriculum to the tune of $4 million, according to the newspapers. No tax dollars, no bake sale, their own money. The facilities, from what people are saying, will rival those of some colleges and the curriculum will open up many new doors to students of the school for career exploration opportunities. So...the list of postings in these forums regarding this includes:

- We're losing end zone seating
- Where will the band sit
- Who's gonna pay for maintaining these facilities?
- What are they doing with the existing locker rooms?
- Where is Obie?
- Why are they allowing Aultman to participate?
- That's not where I would put the Paul Brown museum
- Don't touch the damn stadium
- B!tch, complain, whine

Seriously folks, if that isn't good comedy I don't know what is! Then, to top it off, we have the goofball 'owner' comments. For giggles, let's attempt to move that theory forward shall we? What would be the sinister motive for the David's to do this project? World domination? Future political run for Mayor? To change our traditions and eat away at the fabric of Massillon as they are REALLY from Canton!!? Alas, we have it! So that they could influence the hiring of the new Superintendent who is a supposed friend of theirs! To borrow from the famous beer ads - BRILLIANT! So (scratching my head and pointing like Columbo) I'm supposed to believe that the David's paid $4 million for these projects in some sort of 'dirty politics' move so that they could influence the BOE and get a job for a buddy....THAT'S beautiful! Totally unbelievable and illogical but beautiful nonetheless.

Why not just give the buddy $2 mill and let him retire to Florida with his family? That would be more of win-win-win-win for everybody! The buddy could kick back in the sun, the David's would save $2 mill and not have to hear of this conspiracy theory B.S. and 'owner' talk for trying to do something good for the community and the kids of Massillon and the school wouldn't have to maintain these new facilities that take away 1,600 seats from the end zone and spoil all the traditions! Best of all, some of you clowns could live like it's still 1950 knowing that the band is sitting comfortably in the south end zone stands, the old locker rooms have duct tape keeping the water from leaking from the pipes. All the while wondering why a high school education isn't good enough to raise a family on, because after all...it was good enough in 1950 so it damn well should be good enough now!!

Merry Christmas!

[Kamd50]

the one end zone, some of it will go into the outher end zone, we are not going to lose that much. you people bitch about everything before you no anything about THING'S wait and find out first. GO TIGER'S


No kidding! It is downright disgusting sometimes to see all this constant petty whining complaining know-it-all bitching!

And just for the record, 006 and some others who like to say "we" don't need or "we" don't want.........this or that....PLEASE speak for yourself only! You are not speaking for a large majority of fans and alumni that choose to not respond to such madness per the amount of personal emails that I receive through MP from people who are members of MP but never post! I will assume that the David family, amongst others, are quite intelligent to realize that on their own and ignore the negative and ungrateful comments of a few.

And jayjay65, all I can say is GREAT post, there is nothing more to add:rockin

[Attack From Mars]

Good one! Duly noted. It wasn't the grammar I was correcting but the inherent irony of the context of the post.

All this Massillon owner stuff is good comedy too. I love good conspiracy theories and you guys are working some good ones here!

Since a few 'geniouses' are throwing your comments in I'll share what I see from my vantage point.

It seems to me like the David family has close ties to and a sense of pride in the Massillon community. So they decided to pay for facilities and bring in new curriculum to the tune of $4 million, according to the newspapers. No tax dollars, no bake sale, their own money. The facilities, from what people are saying, will rival those of some colleges and the curriculum will open up many new doors to students of the school for career exploration opportunities. So...the list of postings in these forums regarding this includes:

- We're losing end zone seating
- Where will the band sit
- Who's gonna pay for maintaining these facilities?
- What are they doing with the existing locker rooms?
- Where is Obie?
- Why are they allowing Aultman to participate?
- That's not where I would put the Paul Brown museum
- Don't touch the damn stadium
- B!tch, complain, whine

Seriously folks, if that isn't good comedy I don't know what is! Then, to top it off, we have the goofball 'owner' comments. For giggles, let's attempt to move that theory forward shall we? What would be the sinister motive for the David's to do this project? World domination? Future political run for Mayor? To change our traditions and eat away at the fabric of Massillon as they are REALLY from Canton!!? Alas, we have it! So that they could influence the hiring of the new Superintendent who is a supposed friend of theirs! To borrow from the famous beer ads - BRILLIANT! So (scratching my head and pointing like Columbo) I'm supposed to believe that the David's paid $4 million for these projects in some sort of 'dirty politics' move so that they could influence the BOE and get a job for a buddy....THAT'S beautiful! Totally unbelievable and illogical but beautiful nonetheless.

Why not just give the buddy $2 mill and let him retire to Florida with his family? That would be more of win-win-win-win for everybody! The buddy could kick back in the sun, the David's would save $2 mill and not have to hear of this conspiracy theory B.S. and 'owner' talk for trying to do something good for the community and the kids of Massillon and the school wouldn't have to maintain these new facilities that take away 1,600 seats from the end zone and spoil all the traditions! Best of all, some of you clowns could live like it's still 1950 knowing that the band is sitting comfortably in the south end zone stands, the old locker rooms have duct tape keeping the water from leaking from the pipes. All the while wondering why a high school education isn't good enough to raise a family on, because after all...it was good enough in 1950 so it damn well should be good enough now!!

Merry Christmas!

BRILLIANT! Great Post!

[SuperBran]

Good one! Duly noted. It wasn't the grammar I was correcting but the inherent irony of the context of the post.

All this Massillon owner stuff is good comedy too. I love good conspiracy theories and you guys are working some good ones here!

Since a few 'geniouses' are throwing your comments in I'll share what I see from my vantage point.

It seems to me like the David family has close ties to and a sense of pride in the Massillon community. So they decided to pay for facilities and bring in new curriculum to the tune of $4 million, according to the newspapers. No tax dollars, no bake sale, their own money. The facilities, from what people are saying, will rival those of some colleges and the curriculum will open up many new doors to students of the school for career exploration opportunities. So...the list of postings in these forums regarding this includes:

- We're losing end zone seating
- Where will the band sit
- Who's gonna pay for maintaining these facilities?
- What are they doing with the existing locker rooms?
- Where is Obie?
- Why are they allowing Aultman to participate?
- That's not where I would put the Paul Brown museum
- Don't touch the damn stadium
- B!tch, complain, whine

Seriously folks, if that isn't good comedy I don't know what is! Then, to top it off, we have the goofball 'owner' comments. For giggles, let's attempt to move that theory forward shall we? What would be the sinister motive for the David's to do this project? World domination? Future political run for Mayor? To change our traditions and eat away at the fabric of Massillon as they are REALLY from Canton!!? Alas, we have it! So that they could influence the hiring of the new Superintendent who is a supposed friend of theirs! To borrow from the famous beer ads - BRILLIANT! So (scratching my head and pointing like Columbo) I'm supposed to believe that the David's paid $4 million for these projects in some sort of 'dirty politics' move so that they could influence the BOE and get a job for a buddy....THAT'S beautiful! Totally unbelievable and illogical but beautiful nonetheless.

Why not just give the buddy $2 mill and let him retire to Florida with his family? That would be more of win-win-win-win for everybody! The buddy could kick back in the sun, the David's would save $2 mill and not have to hear of this conspiracy theory B.S. and 'owner' talk for trying to do something good for the community and the kids of Massillon and the school wouldn't have to maintain these new facilities that take away 1,600 seats from the end zone and spoil all the traditions! Best of all, some of you clowns could live like it's still 1950 knowing that the band is sitting comfortably in the south end zone stands, the old locker rooms have duct tape keeping the water from leaking from the pipes. All the while wondering why a high school education isn't good enough to raise a family on, because after all...it was good enough in 1950 so it damn well should be good enough now!!

Merry Christmas!

WOW! no truer words have ever been spoken.

[MTigers006]

Upkeep to the stadium is fine. What im saying is there was and is nothing wrong with the stadium. I mean we will always be playing McKinley at home so what happens if one year we dont have enough seats because of this? What about revenue into the school system/city? The last time the band was in Sec 2 with the students if I remember right they was getting things thrown at them and there was arguments.

What are these so called plans calling for now that they have CHANGED?

While we are at it lets put Orange Neon on the high school! :thumbsdown:

[1600TigerFan]

Hey MT006, maybe Carle can send you his copy of "who moved my cheese", because I think it may be a good book for you to read.

As a former player, I have no problems with moving the locker room arrangments and dont see where it detracts from our identity at all. Best of all this lockerroom will be "MASSILLON ONLY" which I think is the most important. Sometimes redefining your identity, and changing/creating new tradition is not a bad thing, and if moving the locker room changes things up a little so be it.

Does any former player have a problem with this ? Because to be honest I have a real problem with someone who didnt spend their summers and fall sweating, bleeding and training in that lockerroom complaining about it being moved.

[gotigers1]

Upkeep to the stadium is fine. What im saying is there was and is nothing wrong with the stadium. I mean we will always be playing McKinley at home so what happens if one year we dont have enough seats because of this? What about revenue into the school system/city? The last time the band was in Sec 2 with the students if I remember right they was getting things thrown at them and there was arguments.

What are these so called plans calling for now that they have CHANGED?

While we are at it lets put Orange Neon on the high school! :thumbsdown:


OMG, and people wonder why I don't post on here anymore.... I bet you feel that the band should still be wearing brass helments and the football team wearing the leather ones since that what they used in 1939?

Guess what, it's called progress! I think some of you guys need to read the book Who moved my Cheese.

[Kamd50]

OMG, and people wonder why I don't post on here anymore.... I bet you feel that the band should still be wearing brass helments and the football team wearing the leather ones since that what they used in 1939?

Guess what, it's called progress! I think some of you guys need to read the book Who moved my Cheese.

LOL ! I believe that this suggestion has been made in the past, and obviously, not heeded.:wall:

[SuperBran]

Upkeep to the stadium is fine. What im saying is there was and is nothing wrong with the stadium.

so if your current vehicle is fine and nothing is wrong with it, but i offered you a brand new lamborghini or ferrari, you'd pass it up b/c there simply isn't anything wrong with your kia?

I mean we will always be playing McKinley at home so what happens if one year we dont have enough seats because of this?

then we just won't sleep that night. then we'll wake up, realize the fine facility we're in, and move on.

dear god, i haven't seen this much resistance to chance since watching "rainman."

[MTiger]

OMG, and people wonder why I don't post on here anymore.... I bet you feel that the band should still be wearing brass helments and the football team wearing the leather ones since that what they used in 1939?

Guess what, it's called progress! I think some of you guys need to read the book Who moved my Cheese.

For the price of the book we could buy a length of chain and a padlock. That way he could strap himself to any project he feels is wrong or unworthy, and stop the change from happening.

SuperBran-

I'll take the Ferrari...F430 please. It's my understanding that to even get on the LIST for a new F430, you have to have purchased SIX... that's right... SIX Ferraris previously. It's essentially by invitation. No joke! And, based on THAT criteria, the list several years long. In other words, the entire planned production is already sold out to existing Ferrari customers. Hope you don't mind paying $70k+ over sticker for a slightly used one with about 1,000 miles on it!

[obie0130]

1600 tiger fan makes great points. as another former player, i also have no problem with the move of the locker room. most importantly since it will be massillon only as you stated.

gotigers1, you're right. it is about progress. we need to either move forward and improve or continue to spin our wheels and not separate ourselves from others.

i wonder if how many people complained about the construction of PBTS in the late 1930's. 006, would you have complained to Paul Brown about how out of tradition was for him to want to build a brand-new 19,000 seat stadium? after all, the tigers were playing at the palacial massillon field before that.

[CarlE]

Good one! Duly noted. It wasn't the grammar I was correcting but the inherent irony of the context of the post.

All this Massillon owner stuff is good comedy too. I love good conspiracy theories and you guys are working some good ones here!

Since a few 'geniouses' are throwing your comments in I'll share what I see from my vantage point.

It seems to me like the David family has close ties to and a sense of pride in the Massillon community. So they decided to pay for facilities and bring in new curriculum to the tune of $4 million, according to the newspapers. No tax dollars, no bake sale, their own money. The facilities, from what people are saying, will rival those of some colleges and the curriculum will open up many new doors to students of the school for career exploration opportunities. So...the list of postings in these forums regarding this includes:

- We're losing end zone seating
- Where will the band sit
- Who's gonna pay for maintaining these facilities?
- What are they doing with the existing locker rooms?
- Where is Obie?
- Why are they allowing Aultman to participate?
- That's not where I would put the Paul Brown museum
- Don't touch the damn stadium
- B!tch, complain, whine

Seriously folks, if that isn't good comedy I don't know what is! Then, to top it off, we have the goofball 'owner' comments. For giggles, let's attempt to move that theory forward shall we? What would be the sinister motive for the David's to do this project? World domination? Future political run for Mayor? To change our traditions and eat away at the fabric of Massillon as they are REALLY from Canton!!? Alas, we have it! So that they could influence the hiring of the new Superintendent who is a supposed friend of theirs! To borrow from the famous beer ads - BRILLIANT! So (scratching my head and pointing like Columbo) I'm supposed to believe that the David's paid $4 million for these projects in some sort of 'dirty politics' move so that they could influence the BOE and get a job for a buddy....THAT'S beautiful! Totally unbelievable and illogical but beautiful nonetheless.

Why not just give the buddy $2 mill and let him retire to Florida with his family? That would be more of win-win-win-win for everybody! The buddy could kick back in the sun, the David's would save $2 mill and not have to hear of this conspiracy theory B.S. and 'owner' talk for trying to do something good for the community and the kids of Massillon and the school wouldn't have to maintain these new facilities that take away 1,600 seats from the end zone and spoil all the traditions! Best of all, some of you clowns could live like it's still 1950 knowing that the band is sitting comfortably in the south end zone stands, the old locker rooms have duct tape keeping the water from leaking from the pipes. All the while wondering why a high school education isn't good enough to raise a family on, because after all...it was good enough in 1950 so it damn well should be good enough now!!

Merry Christmas!

Geez. I'm not the smartest guy on MP.com anymore!! GREAT, GREAT post jayjay65. I would LOVE to sit down and talk with you on my next trip home. SOMEBODY finally gets it.

MTigers006. Please, PLEASE just shut up. You are absolutely clueless and you're really making yourself out to be just plain, well.....ignorant. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY has agreed with one thing you've said on this thread. It's just plain STUPID. Lost revenue?? Son, do you look in the stands when you go to games? THEY'RE ONLY HALF FREAKING FULL. Now, go away from this thread. It's getting embarrassing.

[hrmjenl]

:thanx: My sentiments exactly!!

[tig62]

I truly understand that change for some is not an easy emotional matter, but this isn't change for changes' sake or for someone's personal agenda; this is for the long term betterment of the entire program. If one perceives this project in its' intended manner, it may not look so unsettling.

[massillon catholic]

I truly understand that change for some is not an easy emotional matter.

After this season I think several changes would be nice.

[MTigers006]

If it gets us State Titles you would never hear my complain about anything ever again. However some people that I have talked to about this in pubic are just as upset. Some are however just plain pi**ed off. I wouldn't expect any levies to be passing anytime soon either. Any BOE member who is supporting this crap needs to be reminded they are ELECTED by the public and can easily be voted out of thier BOE seat. This is the nice thing about being a registered voter myself. It is however us taxpayers who will pay for the electricity and upkeep of this new locker room. I however would like to borrow a phrase off of WWE's The Rock. They can take thier shiney new glass locker room add some fancy lights turn it sideways and stick it straight up thier candy a**es.
The stadium doesnt sell out because people would rather stay home at watch it on WHS-TV. God knows they might freeze to death. I do understand however some people are not physically able to get out and support thier hometown team.
A lady told me when or if we lose the state playoffs because our stadium isnt big enough it wont be so much fun and games will it?
After the Clear Water game earlier in the month the reporter asked the Asst. OHSAA Director what determines the factors of how a venue is chosen for playing the state playoffs and the two most important things was:
1. Hospitality, Restuarants, Hotels, Etc.
2. Seating Capacity, Must be at or near 20,000 not 15 or 14,000.

[The Butler]

2. Seating Capacity, Must be at or near 20,000 not 15 or 14,000.

According to the OSHAA math, that won't be a problem.

But your obsession of things historic or dead clearly is.

[FENTON 57]

Hey Carle, perhaps if so many people didn't move out of town we would have more people in the stands (hint hint)

Quit calling people ignorant and let the people who remain in town hash over things concerning the stadium.

[massillon catholic]

After the Clear Water game earlier in the month the reporter asked the Asst. OHSAA Director what determines the factors of how a venue is chosen .

Who in the hell is Clear Water?

[massillon catholic]

Hey Carle, perhaps if so many people didn't move out of town we would have more people in the stands (hint hint)

Quit calling people ignorant and let the people who remain in town hash over things concerning the stadium.


Would you move out of town to make more money and do better for your family? Or, would you just stay here and rust away like the steel factories? You cant blame tiger fans for moving if it is in their families best interest. That doesnt mean their love and passion for the tigers moved away, as well.

[obie 66]

Maybe if you geniuses attended the spring kick-off, you mmight have seen and heard about all the changes and the plans to recover seating if needed.

Do we really need it anymore, since we never fill it anymore?

You know we only seat 17,400 now. We used to seat over 25K at one time. But when they built the permanent endzones and gave up the track seats, we lost a ton of seating. :doh:

[SuperBran]

If it gets us State Titles you would never hear my complain about anything ever again. However some people that I have talked to about this in pubic are just as upset. Some are however just plain pi**ed off. I wouldn't expect any levies to be passing anytime soon either. Any BOE member who is supporting this crap needs to be reminded they are ELECTED by the public and can easily be voted out of thier BOE seat. This is the nice thing about being a registered voter myself. It is however us taxpayers who will pay for the electricity and upkeep of this new locker room. I however would like to borrow a phrase off of WWE's The Rock. They can take thier shiney new glass locker room add some fancy lights turn it sideways and stick it straight up thier candy a**es.
The stadium doesnt sell out because people would rather stay home at watch it on WHS-TV. God knows they might freeze to death. I do understand however some people are not physically able to get out and support thier hometown team.
A lady told me when or if we lose the state playoffs because our stadium isnt big enough it wont be so much fun and games will it?
After the Clear Water game earlier in the month the reporter asked the Asst. OHSAA Director what determines the factors of how a venue is chosen for playing the state playoffs and the two most important things was:
1. Hospitality, Restuarants, Hotels, Etc.
2. Seating Capacity, Must be at or near 20,000 not 15 or 14,000.

i've never met anyone in my life who was concerned with such stupid things as you have been. first it was longfellow/la, then it was building your knight rider replica, and now this crap. what's next? i can't believe you'd actually (and publically) complain about our facility being UPGRADED. how asinine is that? if you don't like it then don't go to the games.

if you honestly think that we're going to lose the playoffs for losing a small amount of seats, or for seating capacity in general, i have some magic beans i'd like to sell you.

now please stop all of this nonsense and either (a) get a girlfriend, or (b) start a hobby.

[jayjay65]

If it gets us State Titles you would never hear my complain about anything ever again. However some people that I have talked to about this in pubic are just as upset. Some are however just plain pi**ed off. I wouldn't expect any levies to be passing anytime soon either. Any BOE member who is supporting this crap needs to be reminded they are ELECTED by the public and can easily be voted out of thier BOE seat. This is the nice thing about being a registered voter myself. It is however us taxpayers who will pay for the electricity and upkeep of this new locker room. I however would like to borrow a phrase off of WWE's The Rock. They can take thier shiney new glass locker room add some fancy lights turn it sideways and stick it straight up thier candy a**es.
The stadium doesnt sell out because people would rather stay home at watch it on WHS-TV. God knows they might freeze to death. I do understand however some people are not physically able to get out and support thier hometown team.
A lady told me when or if we lose the state playoffs because our stadium isnt big enough it wont be so much fun and games will it?
After the Clear Water game earlier in the month the reporter asked the Asst. OHSAA Director what determines the factors of how a venue is chosen for playing the state playoffs and the two most important things was:
1. Hospitality, Restuarants, Hotels, Etc.
2. Seating Capacity, Must be at or near 20,000 not 15 or 14,000.

MTigers006 - I guess I'll chalk this up to 'we agree to disagree' on this topic. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, although I'm not exactly sure what it is SPECIFICALLY that people would be p*ssed about? Also your threats on future levies and BOE fallout is simply nonsensical. WHAT is so bad to warrant such threats? Your argument is that the loss of approximately 1,600 seats would be enough to lose the playoffs. (Surely OHSAA doesn't care where our band sits or where the team comes onto the field from - which are two of your other arguments). I would argue that the new facilities would be MORE attractive to OHSAA as the indoor facility, if the school would allow it, would make practicing before the game (but not outdoors on the stadium turf) possible and the new locker room would make a nice place for game officials to prepare for the game and for State Officials to entertain guests. What other location in Ohio could provide that? OSU stadium? THAT would look good, 5,000 people for a Div III game in a 90,000 seat stadium....LOTS of elbow room! If the playoffs are ultimately moved, it will be more for logistics reasons (i.e., Columbus) than for what Stark County could not offer via seating or amenities. I doubt that you buy this argument because it doesn't fit into your doom and gloom, the sky is falling stance. So be it. That is my opinion. Far be it for me to argue with someone who quotes The Rock...:wink: I am just thankful that I do not have to live a day in your world...it seems like a cold, dark, depressing place...

[FENTON 57]

Massillon Catholic: Last I checked I wasn't "rusting away"

Let's just say I don't like people bashing on MTigers006 by calling him ignorant...........Especially when someone that lives a long distance away hasn't even met MTigers like I have.

People like Carle are the reason a lot of people have tuned out of message boards...

But , continue to bash away......I can't keep up with your 2300 posts or Carles' 3800 posts...........I'm too busy "Rusting Away"

[CarlE]

Massillon Catholic: Last I checked I wasn't "rusting away"

Let's just say I don't like people bashing on MTigers006 by calling him ignorant...........Especially when someone that lives a long distance away hasn't even met MTigers like I have.

People like Carle are the reason a lot of people have tuned out of message boards...

But , continue to bash away......I can't keep up with your 2300 posts or Carles' 3800 posts...........I'm too busy "Rusting Away"

Um, Clarence. I apologize for leaving town and not staying in my palatial estate in Massillon much like you have up on 6th St. I'm sorrying for wanting to better my career and myself. I guess I'll have to live with it.

Now, I was trying to show Mr. Nostalgic that his PREMISE is just plain ignorant, or stupid. That doesn't matter if I'm in Massillon, Florida, or freaking France. IT'S STUPID. And by the way if you would like to read everybody else's post I think you'll see I have some support on this. BUT, if you would like to continue to defend this yahoo have right at it. That would tell me you aren't rusting away, you've already rusted. Now, have a good time walking the dog in "Longfellow Park". And thanks for playing.

[Paul Brown]

Um, Clarence. I apologize for leaving town and not staying in my palatial estate in Massillon much like you have up on 6th St. I'm sorrying for wanting to better my career and myself. I guess I'll have to live with it.

Hey, it's not Massillon's fault no one needs software guys.. get a real job! :tounge:

[MTigers006]

Would you move out of town to make more money and do better for your family? Or, would you just stay here and rust away like the steel factories? You cant blame tiger fans for moving if it is in their families best interest. That doesnt mean their love and passion for the tigers moved away, as well.
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Love, and Passion exactly Massilon Cathlic

Like I said people moving out of town or watching on WHS-TV is why not many people come anymore. My point if its NOT broke DONT fix it. The stadium layout has been the same for 69 years. Why change it now?

CarlE, A Yahoo is one who lives in Florida yet complains about one who lives in Massillon who actually cares about this town and what happens here as well as tradition, loyality, and pride in our stadium, our football team and our city.

Most of you as in the past if someone dont agree with something that a majority or you do support they are basically put down, ridiculed, called names, or pretty much basically a piece of crap. I can see why some people have left or dont post here anymore, but im not going anywhere and give people the glory.

We all have opinions and everyone is entitled to them so why put someone down or insult thier intelligence for thier's just because you dont agree with them.

Change is good I dont like change, Never did, never will. But sometimes change isn't always for the best. Would you guys feel the same way you do if they said they was gonna demolish and rebuild the entire thing? Like I said, whats next? A bowl? Horseshoe, or Dome? How about heated seats because some people cant take the cold? I am one who likes to embrace the historical past while moving forward. The changes that have been made at the stadium are excellent, but I think we are begining to get too carried away here. I asked before and I will ask again. What are these plans to replace what seating is being lost and where is the drawings? I however will not change my mind and I hope the people I talked to stick with thier threats of replacing who supported the changes in the south endzone at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium. Besides I think academics are more important than endzone remodeling or athletics period and when you look behind the smoke screen its all about athletics. In short more emphasis of academics to balance between academics and athletics.

If its not broke, Dont fix it. I can hear it now when your taxes go up or when an operating levy comes up to pay for the electrity to run these facilites and thier upkeep.

The one thing I love more other than god, family,and country is The Massillon Tigers. Please dont make me out to be the bad guy just because I do not endorse or support something that a majority of you guys do.

[TigerSupport]

Would you move out of town to make more money and do better for your family? Or, would you just stay here and rust away like the steel factories? You cant blame tiger fans for moving if it is in their families best interest. That doesnt mean their love and passion for the tigers moved away, as well.

You should ask yourself the same thing about Coach Stacy and his family.

WHOOOPS! Zzzzzzzzinger!

Talk about contradiction.

[TigerSupport]

Furthermore: If you love the Massillon Tigers more than God, that right there may be a large portion of your problem.

[massillon catholic]

Talk about contradiction.

Where's the contradiction?

[obie7661]

The one thing I love more than god, family,and country is The Massillon Tigers. Please dont make me out to be the bad guy just because I do not endorse or support something that a majority of you guys do.

Please, tell me the above quote is a typing error.

[Kamd50]

006 loves the Tigers MORE than God or Family?!! Wow! That right there says it all:stars:

By the way, put me down for 7 of those heated seats when they become available:thumbsup:

[austinsm11]

Please, tell me the above quote is a typing error.

Nope, but I can't wait for the excuses.

[massillon catholic]

006 loves the Tigers MORE than God or Family?!! Wow! That right there says it all:stars:

:


:thumbsdown:

[MTigers006]

7661, typing error as always. Or reading error depending how you look at it. It is supposed to be like god, family, and country comes first. Then the Tigers.

[obie7661]

7661, typing error as always. Or reading error depending how you look at it. It is supposed to be like god, family, and country comes first. Then the Tigers.

Thank you.

I wish you and yours a most joyous and blessed Christmas.

[MTigers006]

Thankyou Obie7661, Same to you and everyone on MP.com

Sorry for the confusion.

Merry Christmas

[CarlE]

Would you move out of town to make more money and do better for your family? Or, would you just stay here and rust away like the steel factories? You cant blame tiger fans for moving if it is in their families best interest. That doesnt mean their love and passion for the tigers moved away, as well.
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Love, and Passion exactly Massilon Cathlic

Like I said people moving out of town or watching on WHS-TV is why not many people come anymore. My point if its NOT broke DONT fix it. The stadium layout has been the same for 69 years. Why change it now?

CarlE, A Yahoo is one who lives in Florida yet complains about one who lives in Massillon who actually cares about this town and what happens here as well as tradition, loyality, and pride in our stadium, our football team and our city.

Most of you as in the past if someone dont agree with something that a majority or you do support they are basically put down, ridiculed, called names, or pretty much basically a piece of crap. I can see why some people have left or dont post here anymore, but im not going anywhere and give people the glory.

We all have opinions and everyone is entitled to them so why put someone down or insult thier intelligence for thier's just because you dont agree with them.

Change is good I dont like change, Never did, never will. But sometimes change isn't always for the best. Would you guys feel the same way you do if they said they was gonna demolish and rebuild the entire thing? Like I said, whats next? A bowl? Horseshoe, or Dome? How about heated seats because some people cant take the cold? I am one who likes to embrace the historical past while moving forward. The changes that have been made at the stadium are excellent, but I think we are begining to get too carried away here. I asked before and I will ask again. What are these plans to replace what seating is being lost and where is the drawings? I however will not change my mind and I hope the people I talked to stick with thier threats of replacing who supported the changes in the south endzone at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium. Besides I think academics are more important than endzone remodeling or athletics period and when you look behind the smoke screen its all about athletics. In short more emphasis of academics to balance between academics and athletics.

If its not broke, Dont fix it. I can hear it now when your taxes go up or when an operating levy comes up to pay for the electrity to run these facilites and thier upkeep.

The one thing I love more other than god, family,and country is The Massillon Tigers. Please dont make me out to be the bad guy just because I do not endorse or support something that a majority of you guys do.

God, how pathetic. OK, here goes to try and put some sense to this idiocy. First, the stadium has been the same for 69 years. That in itself would be a reason to change it. Do you think the freaking dynamics are the same as they were 69 years ago? How stupid. Second, and I know you won't relate to this but let me tell you the mentality of successful people. Instead of "if it isn't broke, don't fix it", they say "if it isn't broke, break it ANYWAY and make it better". Surely out of your realm of reasoning.

Next, you are the LAST person that should be talking about loyalty, pride to the city, and tradition. That letter you wrote to Hooters awhile back with about 165 spelling and grammatical errors certain was a prideful moment of you representing the city. Good GOD. And no you are NOT embracing the historical past while moving forward. Hell, if it were up to you we would still be at the old high school. Nice moving forward there, genius. And finally, for the 165th time we'll ask. WHAT SEATING NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND WHY? THE FREAKING STADIUM IS ONLY HALF FULL ANYWAY. I know. Perhaps you can bring up some of those bleachers from the Longfellow gym you stole and use those. That should just about do it.

Now, hopefully this is the end to this insane thread and your lunacy in continuing to try and defend this moronic position.

OK, this should be good. 6th St. NE Clarence should be coming in any time now to save the day. Right after the dog walk.

[MTigers006]

First I didnt get any of the bleachers at Longfellow and I didnt steal anything. I was let in with permisson from the powers that be. It helps to have friends in high places.

BTW, Merry Christmas to you as well CarlE.

[massillon catholic]

[I]


I am one who likes to embrace the historical past while moving forward. The changes that have been made at the stadium are excellent, but I think we are begining to get too carried away here. I asked before and I will ask again. What are these plans to replace what seating is being lost and where is the drawings?
.

Under your logic, the players should still be wearing leather helmets.

[massillon catholic]

First I didnt get any of the bleachers at Longfellow and I didnt steal anything. I was let in with permisson from the powers that be. It helps to have friends in high places.

.

The get-away driver is a guilty as the stick-up guys!

[CarlE]

It helps to have friends in high places.



The janitors at Longfellow? Nice.

[MTigers006]

Under your logic, the players should still be wearing leather helmets.
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No not exactly. Kind of like the reason you guys want the white helmets back.

A high ranking member of the BOE CarlE, Massillon Cathlic.

[CarlE]

Under your logic, the players should still be wearing leather helmets.
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No not exactly. Kind of like the reason you guys want the white helmets back.

A high ranking member of the BOE CarlE, Massillon Cathlic.

I hate to break this to you, my friend but there IS no "high-ranking" member of the BOE. Just look at the historical decisions made in the last three years. LOL.

Wanting white helmets back and totally OBSESSING over white helmets are two different scenarios, don't you think?

[Al.]

A high ranking member of the BOE CarlE, Massillon Cathlic.

Could be why a BOE family member's job is being eliminated :scratchchin:

[Banks]

Could be why a BOE family member's job is being eliminated :scratchchin:


Wonder if that will change now with a new Super coming in, he could just rehire him

[MTigers006]

The person in question isnt with the school system anymore anyways. He is one of those who took an early retirement package and thats all im gonna say about that. And the buidling has been gone for two years just about and I paid the tressurer for everything I took out of there. Just because the auction was over didnt mean you couldnt buy anything anymore.

[FENTON 57]

3814 posts and counting Carle.............

I'm going to enjoy Christmas with the familly tomorrow after I walk the dog (You do have a good memory!) Be carefull that beach sand doesn't get into your lap-top!

[CarlE]

3814 posts and counting Carle.............

I'm going to enjoy Christmas with the familly tomorrow after I walk the dog (You do have a good memory!) Be carefull that beach sand doesn't get into your lap-top!

Don't forget the 6800 posts that got removed when the site was revamped Clarence. I don't want you misrepresenting me!!

[CATS44]

Change merely for change's sake is worthless and costly. Change for the sake of progress is a necessity IF you really desire progress.

Too many folks on here mistake albatrosses for traditions. Maintaining a stadium with 22,500 seats is an expensive proposition, and a drain on resources when 22,500 seats are no longer needed. Yet, many fans wish we still had 22,500 seats just to say we have them.

What we needed were new locker rooms and generally updated training facilities. Part of the cost of those necessities was the loss of some unneeded seating.

Economics will dictate what happens to the stadium going forward. If additional seating is needed in the future due to bigger demand than we now have, additional seating will be added.

Its strange to me that many fans want seating we dont need and at the same time do not want to put together a permanent schedule that would go a long way towards filling the seats that arent now being filled.

Our average home attendance is now about 70% of what it was fifty years ago. 70% of 22,500 is 15,750. Without the temporary seating we used to use for McK games, the stadium capacity was around 19,000. 70% of 19,000 is 13,300.

Even without the south stands, the seating capacity will meet todays demand exactly the same as it did fifty years ago.

[CarlE]

Too logical Cats. He won't get it.

[massillon catholic]

I'd rather see a smaller stadium filled than a larger stadium half empty. Isn't this part of the logic used to keep the championship games at massillon versus Ohio State?

[npaflas]

I am a big Massillon fan and i think it is stuipid for them to take down the south end zone down. They need to leave it alone.

[Paul Brown]

Too logical Cats. He won't get it.

Hey, I thought you were anti-Fed.

[massillon catholic]

I'm amazed at the people complaining without even seeing the final product. Give it a chance!

[npaflas]

Why And What Are They Putting There.

[npaflas]

What happen to the good old day's when we held 22,500 people. And sold all the ticket's at the Mckinley game. And when i sat at the end zone for 10 years running back and forth to each end zone. When Massillon had the ball.

[CarlE]

What happen to the good old day's when we held 22,500 people. And sold all the ticket's at the Mckinley game. And when i sat at the end zone for 10 years running back and forth to each end zone. When Massillon had the ball.

Um, people moved away. The population dynamics of the city changed. The economy in NE Ohio went to hell. Sorry Nick and MTigers006, this is NOT 1980 anymore.

[Smitty]

... The economy in NE Ohio went to hell....

That phrase can be used to answer a lot of questions, Carl.

Thanks.

[DB135]

It's sad but it seems that all that's left is preserving the original structure as a tribute to past tradition while modernizing the rest of the stadium somewhat like Notre Dame did when they updated their stadium.

http://und.cstv.com/facilities/nd-stadium.html

Attendance wise other than the off year for the McKinley and Ignatius type games and possibly the Division II state championship the capacity is sufficient.

How many track seats did we lose and never noticed it.

[massillon catholic]

WIN and they will come!

[MTigers006]

MC for once I have to agree with you on the. WIN and they will come indeed. I know that is comming and that is why this is one of my concerns.

[FENTON 57]

I'm not complaining about the final product at all. I could care less about the south end zones.

What I do have a problem with is certain individuals resulting to name-calling when they don't agree with an opinion.

So what if MTigers006 doesn't want the south stands removed. Just disagree with him and move on. Calling him an idiot doesn't serve any purpose.

[CarlE]

I'm not complaining about the final product at all. I could care less about the south end zones.

What I do have a problem with is certain individuals resulting to name-calling when they don't agree with an opinion.

So what if MTigers006 doesn't want the south stands removed. Just disagree with him and move on. Calling him an idiot doesn't serve any purpose.

You're right. It sure won't get him to stop. And for the record I called his posts and IDEAS idiotic, and was very careful not to call him one. The bottom line is that no matter how many times you tell this guy something, and no matter how many times you validate that he's just plain wrong he continues down these whacked paths. Sorry, Clarence. You may have the patience for stuff like this. I don't.

[MTigers006]

I'd like to remind people this is Massillon though and its a High School. Not Ohio State and we dont need no freaking Horseshoe. As I said since people want to put politics in Massillon Football where they DONT belong I will be political and as a registered voter I will remember these people on election day. Someone told me in person the plans these people have planed. I will not name that person. Earlier I made the comment about embrasing history while moving forward. Some of you didnt agree with that post. History is what your identity is established from. If you lose your history, you lose your identity. These people and these ideas are viewed upon as a cancer. I am all for stadium improvements, remodeling and upkeep. But these drastic changes can not be tolerated. Im sure with a little work on the field and off we can fill the seats as the stadium is/was. They should finish the indoor practice facility, but put back the bleachers they removed.

[massillon catholic]

And for the record I called his posts and IDEAS idiotic, and was very careful not to call him one..


Trust me, Carl knows the rules on MP.