Coach Stacy Facts

[man2man]

While most of this site is polluted with unfounded opinion, I thought some 100% plain facts (as opposed to preference, opinion, hearsay, sour grapes) might be a breath of fresh air:

In his FIRST 3 years:

- 26 wins
- 1 State championship runner-up (loss to perennial power St X)
- 1 state regional championship
- 5 playoff wins
- 3 wins vs. McKinley

In addition, he is respected by coaches and adminstrators throughout the state, as evidenced by his inclusion in various roundtables and meetings. He is also well-connected in the Ohio college circles which helps scholarship opportunities.

Hopefully the BOE will recognize the value of keeping a successful coach.

[Red50Go]

Hopefully the BOE will recognize the value of keeping a successful coach.

Yeah, me too! Not some guy who wants to leave - his words. For someone who likes to deal in facts, why dont you rephrase that to "hopefully the BOE will recognize the value of keeping a successful coach for 1 more year so he can continue his job search and still get paid."

[TigerDL71]

While most of this site is polluted with unfounded opinion, I thought some 100% plain facts (as opposed to preference, opinion, hearsay, sour grapes) might be a breath of fresh air:

In his FIRST 3 years:

- 26 wins
- 1 State championship runner-up (loss to perennial power St X)
- 1 state regional championship
- 5 playoff wins
- 3 wins vs. McKinley

In addition, he is respected by coaches and adminstrators throughout the state, as evidenced by his inclusion in various roundtables and meetings. He is also well-connected in the Ohio college circles which helps scholarship opportunities.

Hopefully the BOE will recognize the value of keeping a successful coach.

Those 3 years are his only 3 years, take the last 2 seasons and things are a different story.Its amazing how stats can be twisted in ones favor. For instance if you take Stacy's last 2 seasons you have a combined 13 wins and 1 playoff victory. For stats sakes lets say we take Stacy's 2 best years. His first two years here he had 20 wins, 5 playoff victories,1 regional title and state runner up where he lost to "perennial" power St. X.Compare that to coach Shepas best two seasons, 23 wins , 6 playoff victories, 2 Regional titles, lost to eventually state champs Iggy and top ten Nationally ranked and poll D1 poll champ Warren.The face is you can change stats to make people look great or horrible.Its the overall performance that counts and besides the stats don't lie, Stacy has gotten progressively worse and not better.

[cat]

M2M. Good Post. Coach deserves a few more years. People need to be patient. This was a bad year for several reasons but we cannot blame Coach Stacy for each issue. We are going to have years that are not productive. The days of being a yearly powerhouse are gone. If we all supported the program and the players 100% then maybe we could get back where Massillon has been, such as Steubenville. But we need stability with a good coach. Changing coach's every 3 years is not the answer. What if every job in the country changed every 3 years???

[TigerVic]

This was a bad year for several reasons but we cannot blame Coach Stacy for each issue.

No, but we can't say he is totally without blame on many of these issues- football and non-football. In fact, it's his JOB to take blame for many of those issues AND to work to correct them.

Obviously, the two most important issues (in order):

1. Lack of team unity and discipline.

2. Putting the team in the best position to win through off-season training and in-season practices, use of the talent we have and recognition of weaknesses, and good playcalling with respect to that and the opposition's strategy.

Whatever happened to "The buck stops here"?

Our "buck" has stopped here and is doing nothing but waiting to leave rather than actively and aggressively addressing the problems at hand.

[tigerfan21]

tigerdl71 what was shepas record his last two years at massillon...4-6???? and shepas coached longer at massillon than coach stacy.....give coach stacy as many years as shepas and then lets talk stats! at least coach stacy is yet to have a loosing record!

[TigerCoach]

In addition, he is respected by coaches and adminstrators throughout the state, as evidenced by his inclusion in various roundtables and meetings. He is also well-connected in the Ohio college circles which helps scholarship opportunities.



All true. The problem is, he doesn't have the respect of the players. That's the main reason he should resign immediately. The longer he waits, the more he is hurting the program.

[massillon catholic]

All true. The problem is, he doesn't have the respect of the players. That's the main reason he should resign immediately. The longer he waits, the more he is hurting the program.


Four BOE members told him NO to an extension last night. He's gone within the next week.

[massillon catholic]

at least coach stacy is yet to have a loosing record!

The key word being "yet". He should be thankful that the board will let him leave with a winning record.

[RRanger]

While most of this site is polluted with unfounded opinion, I thought some 100% plain facts (as opposed to preference, opinion, hearsay, sour grapes) might be a breath of fresh air:

In his FIRST 3 years:

- 26 wins
- 1 State championship runner-up (loss to perennial power St X)
- 1 state regional championship
- 5 playoff wins
- 3 wins vs. McKinley

In addition, he is respected by coaches and adminstrators throughout the state, as evidenced by his inclusion in various roundtables and meetings. He is also well-connected in the Ohio college circles which helps scholarship opportunities.

Hopefully the BOE will recognize the value of keeping a successful coach.
TOM STACY FIVE MORE YEAR'S

[cat]

What a joke. :thanx: As we continue to swirl down the drain. Folks It is going to be a LOOONNNGGGG time before Massillon football returns to glory with these board decisions.

[TigerDL71]

tigerdl71 what was shepas record his last two years at massillon...4-6???? and shepas coached longer at massillon than coach stacy.....give coach stacy as many years as shepas and then lets talk stats! at least coach stacy is yet to have a loosing record!

That is my whole point. Stats can be manipulated in a way to make someone look great or like a goat.

[Mass6]

Cat, M2M, RRanger, please explain to me why we want to keep a coach that is looking to move on, only wanted to be here 3-4 years, has admitted that it is taking a toll on his family, and wants to get back into college coaching? While you may like and respect him, I don't see how you can hope he stays when his true intentions are not for the best of the Massillon Tigers. That's who we're all supporting, the Massillon Tigers and the kids who will be coming up in the program. How dedicated are kids going to be to following their coach and his programs if they don't know if coach will be around in a year or two? That's the bottom line, we have to support the Massillon Tigers in the long and short term, not just the coach. Stop taking your liking for a coach above what is best for the kids.

[tig62]

He getting more credit for the 2005 season than he deserves, PERIOD! He has the mind set of an assistant college coach; that won't and did not work here. Some lessons have been learned(I hope), now it's time for both parties to part and move on.

[massillon catholic]

now it's time for both parties to part and move on.



BINGO!

[CATS44]

We are talking about a football program here. What happens at the varsity level is only part of a football program.

Ask yourself this question:

Taking everything into consideration, is the program in better shape now than it was in May 2005?

If your answer is Yes, then you should support the rehiring of Coach Stacy.

If your answer is no, then you should support the non renewal of Coach Stacy, and you should support an immediate public decision, so that we can move on quickly.

[Mass6]

We are talking about a football program here. What happens at the varsity level is only part of a football program.

Ask yourself this question:

Taking everything into consideration, is the program in better shape now than it was in May 2005?

If your answer is Yes, then you should support the rehiring of Coach Stacy.

If your answer is no, then you should support the non renewal of Coach Stacy, and you should support an immediate public decision, so that we can move on quickly.

Great Post!!!!!

[massillon catholic]

We are talking about a football program here. What happens at the varsity level is only part of a football program.

Ask yourself this question:

Taking everything into consideration, is the program in better shape now than it was in May 2005?

If your answer is Yes, then you should support the rehiring of Coach Stacy.

If your answer is no, then you should support the non renewal of Coach Stacy, and you should support an immediate public decision, so that we can move on quickly.


My answer is NO!

[Benchboss1]

While most of this site is polluted with unfounded opinion, I thought some 100% plain facts (as opposed to preference, opinion, hearsay, sour grapes) might be a breath of fresh air:

In his FIRST 3 years:

- 26 wins
- 1 State championship runner-up (loss to perennial power St X)
- 1 state regional championship
- 5 playoff wins
- 3 wins vs. McKinley

In addition, he is respected by coaches and adminstrators throughout the state, as evidenced by his inclusion in various roundtables and meetings. He is also well-connected in the Ohio college circles which helps scholarship opportunities.

Hopefully the BOE will recognize the value of keeping a successful coach.


How about some more "facts" about coach Stacy.

1. Less wins every year.

2. Less playoff victories every year.

3. Team discipline got worse each year.

4. Sideline decorum got worse each year.


Does this sound like a coach that we should renew?

[slider63]

My answer is yes, and I support an immediate decision. The board needs to make a decision asap. Either bring him back or let him go by the end of 2007 so the team can move on. Slider, out!!!

[SuperBran]

1. Less wins every year.

2. Less playoff victories every year.


to be fair, the same can be said about the last years of shepas' career, yet you wanted him to stay.

i'm definitely not trying to bash shepas, but it's the truth.

[massillon catholic]

to be fair, the same can be said about the last years of shepas' career, yet you wanted him to stay.

i'm definitely not trying to bash shepas, but it's the truth.

Everytime somebody makes a post about stacy that you dont agree with, you post something about shepas:wtf:

[OTC TIGER]

i'm definitely not trying to bash shepas.

O.K. :doh:

[SuperBran]

Everytime somebody makes a post about stacy that you dont agree with, you post something about shepas:wtf:

did i say that i disagree with what he said about stacy? absolutely not.

i'm just pointing out the hypocracy in some of the view expressed about stacy.

shepas supporters say that stacy's disgraced or program with two 6-4 records and no playoffs this year.....but they fail to recognize that shepas had about half of our program's losing seasons. he also had the longest losing streak in tiger coaching history.

they talk about off the field issues, but fail to remember the shepas' off field issues....or the two recruiting cases brought by the OHSAA against the program.

hello pot, have you met kettle?

[SuperBran]

O.K. :doh:

that's no bashing. it's a point. it's a FACT.

[massillon catholic]

did i say that i disagree with what he said about stacy? absolutely not.

i'm just pointing out the hypocracy in some of the view expressed about stacy.

shepas supporters say that stacy's disgraced or program with two 6-4 records and no playoffs this year.....but they fail to recognize that shepas had about half of our program's losing seasons. he also had the longest losing streak in tiger coaching history.

they talk about off the field issues, but fail to remember the shepas' off field issues....or the two recruiting cases brought by the OHSAA against the program.

hello pot, have you met kettle?

You were all for Shepas not being re-newed, why not the same for stacy?

[Red50Go]

SB, you gotta get off this Shepas thing. Thats history. And nothing like the current situation. More comparable to the Maranto or Rose nonrenewals if anything. Btw, I know you wont get this, but this past season was WAY more frustrating than ANY 4-6 season.

[SuperBran]

You were all for Shepas not being re-newed, why not the same for stacy?

true, i wasn't all for shepas being renewed. however, i never said whether i was or was not for stacy being renewed.

i think you misinterpret my arguments. i'm not saying that stay was perfect and deserved no criticism. i absolutely believe that he has earned the negative criticism. i also would like to see someone here who is in it for the long run. believe me, there are things that i criticize stacy for. my point is that he doesn't deserve ALL the blame for what's occurred.

i compare him to shepas b/c both coaches seemed to be treated differently. those who supported shepas seem to make excuses for most of his failures. should shepas be blamed for everything that wrong? as a coach he is ultimately responsible, but i would never say that he deserved all the blame. same with stacy. the same people who make excuses for shepas are giving stacy no such excuses. my guess is that their loyalties still remain, and there's no problem with that.

[SuperBran]

Me too, just dont think stacy is the man for the job. If he cant take the heat from this year could you imagine what it would be like next year if he had a bad season? He doesnt have the stomach for it and it sounds like his family cant handle the heat, either. Like somebody else mentioned, shepas had a brick thrown through his window by an ex-coach's wife and he kept pluggin away.

i agree with everything you've said. i just can't understand why we would hire someone who only wanted to be here for a few years. it takes more than a few years to build a foundation with your system.

the one thing that i did like about shepas was that he could take the heat.

[massillon catholic]

i agree with everything you've said.


AMAZING!

[Mass6]

Seeker, you better put this day in the log. SuperBran and Massillon Catholic agreed!!!!!!!!!!

[SuperBran]

AMAZING!

i'm definitely not without criticism. there are obvious problems that have been discussed ad nauseum on this site. i'm just stressing that everyone needs to take responsibility.......everyone needs to blame themselves and look within to right the ship......we can't just blame one person or we ignore other other problem areas; otherwise this program's going nowhere. it's up to the coaches, players, and fans to get us on the right track.




and i really, really want that title so my buddies from x and elder will shut their traps!

[Benchboss1]

to be fair, the same can be said about the last years of shepas' career, yet you wanted him to stay.

i'm definitely not trying to bash shepas, but it's the truth.

Did Shepas get worse EVERY year that he was here?:huh:

Stacy did.

[OTC TIGER]

.....but they fail to recognize that shepas had about half of our program's losing seasons. he also had the longest losing streak in tiger coaching history.

or the two recruiting cases brought by the OHSAA against the program.



Recruiting cases my @ss..case #1 (JS) was broke in the Inde in February of 1998...Under a current coach on the staff I might add..Rick was hired in May of 1998..so I guess Rick was on the phone at Poland knowing the job was his
and was recruiting 3 months prior...:doh:

Case #2 was brought on by the very people defending the program in case #1
actually willing to sacrafice Massillon Football for a vendetta...Understand this so you can move on in your Shep Bash fest

Your continued reference to the 4-6 seasons are looked at only skin deep..
do you realize that there were 7 sophs STARTING against a schedule with a
winning % of 70 in 03 also with NO transfers to speak of...2004 we had as many as 8 JRs and 2 sophs STARTING against a schedule with a winning % of 67.5 again with NO transfers...

If you can't understand why we went to State in 2005 your missing something
of course Stacy was some of the reason...give the guy his do..

Fast forward to 2007..Kids Stacy's had for 2 years to work with..Muliple transfers..yea I know maybe not the level of 05..I get that....However he had the ballyhooed 3 headed monster which had among it a preseason OSU recruit and army All American as well as the # 9 ranked Jr starting as well as a 2 year letter tailback as fast as any one in the county...and a schedule this year with a winning % of 55.5..and no playoffs

Most folks knew we would have a down couple of years in 03-04 Hence all the underclassmen...did 4-6 make me happy..No..but I Knew what we had on the field I also knew that shep was being railroaded at every turn..and THE
KIDS KNEW IT TO

Did any publications have us in the title game in 03-04
They had us in the game this year...WHY because we had the players to get us there in their estimation right or wrong

I have no problem with Stacy..he's a good Man..and decent coach
probably better suited for the college game...Let's move on

[Tigerborne]

I think losing Coach Stacy will be a big blow and he should stay on one more year.

I feel that this upcoming year will be a good year in which the Tigers make the playoffs and maybe beyond.

Let see: he (team) almost beat Mentor.

Was close to beating Solon.

Those two games were close.

Give him one more year and get off his back and you will see a good team on the field.

TO TIGERS - I am behind you coach.....

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE=Tigerborne;88429]

Let see: he (team) almost beat Mentor.

Was close to beating Solon.

Those two games were close.

QUOTE]


I don't know about Alaska, but here in Ohio you play the game to WIN!!!

[obie2000]

:ohplease:

Lets talk about something that, we(the group), can change. Hummm like bringing back some traditions that were here before, it worked with the fireworks! Instead of sitting back and criticizing everything with the current staff do something constructive with all this time and work WITH the staff to make all aspects of the system superior to all!

[1600TigerFan]

Here is yet another problem. IF you want a coach who is willing to hang his hat here for a long term you will not get a current big name coach. In order to get someone who wont "use" our program to move on to the next level you need to find someone who already loves the program and would consider it to be the best job in America. I hate to do this but I will....Coach Stu could have been a strength coach anywhere in this country and he was happy doing what he did best right here. Thats what we need in our next head coach (whenever it happens)....someone who wants to buy a home here, raise their kids here and create a legacy not a resume.

[massillon catholic]

Here is yet another problem. IF you want a coach who is willing to hang his hat here for a long term you will not get a current big name coach. .

:bs:

[WoodyHayes]

Physics dictate that if you are not standing still you are either progressing or regressing. Which direction do the facts support? Dont base it on opinions, but facts (records)
What are the state of the Massillon Jr High and pee wee leagues? Evaluation does not have to be opinions. lay the facts out on the table. I will say this, if I had just come out of a two hour meeting with my upper level management, chances are that they were not drooling over me for 2 hours.
What are facts and what are opinions? Pretty crystal clear to me.

[CATS44]

I dont want somebody else's 'big name' coach. I want our own.

He is out there somewhere...and if we put together a REAL selection committee made up of real football people, they will find him.

John Reed was not a big name coach until he became a big name coach. (Simplistic, but true)

The same with Reno, who was the freshman coach when he was hired to run the Big Red.

The three greatest coaches in Ohio States history were not big name coaches. In fact, media and some fans made fun of each of those selections. Some alumni were enraged.

The Boy Scout...Paul Brown. How could they hire a HS coach?
The Fat Man...Woody Hayes. How could they hire this guy over Paul Brown?
The Small School Coach...Jim Tressel. Youngstown STATE??? How could they hire a 1AA coach over Mason, Gruden, and Bellotti?

Hire a no name who is going to become a Big Name, and let him do it at MASSILLON.

[1600TigerFan]

I dont want somebody else's 'big name' coach. I want our own.

He is out there somewhere...and if we put together a REAL selection committee made up of real football people, they will find him.

John Reed was not a big name coach until he became a big name coach. (Simplistic, but true)

The same with Reno, who was the freshman coach when he was hired to run the Big Red.

The three greatest coaches in Ohio States history were not big name coaches. In fact, media and some fans made fun of each of those selections. Some alumni were enraged.

The Boy Scout...Paul Brown. How could they hire a HS coach?
The Fat Man...Woody Hayes. How could they hire this guy over Paul Brown?
The Small School Coach...Jim Tressel. Youngstown STATE??? How could they hire a 1AA coach over Mason, Gruden, and Bellotti?

Hire a no name who is going to become a Big Name, and let him do it at MASSILLON.

I'm pretty sure that was what I was saying.

[1600TigerFan]

:bs:

MC, you think we can get a "Big Name" coach here for the long haul ?

[SuperBran]

Did Shepas get worse EVERY year that he was here?:huh:

Stacy did.

stacy's first three years got worse every year. same with shepas' last three years. they both will be known for going out on low notes. comparing the two will be like debating which address is better, east hell or west hell.

[Benchboss1]

stacy's first three years got worse every year. same with shepas' last three years. they both will be known for going out on low notes. comparing the two will be like debating which address is better, east hell or west hell.


The point I was making though is that Stacy produced a worse record EVERY YEAR that he has been here. For all of your Shep bashing, you can't say that about him.

[SuperBran]

The point I was making though is that Stacy produced a worse record EVERY YEAR that he has been here. For all of your Shep bashing, you can't say that about him.

give stacy seven years then we'll have a better comparison, statistically. what i mean by that is that is it's much more probable to decline every year for three years than it is for seven.....just as it is more probable over two years than three.

again, you can bring up just as many bad points about shep as you can for stacy. both deserve their criticism, even though both had bright moments. neither will be talked about as massillon greats.

[Mass6]

I dont want somebody else's 'big name' coach. I want our own.

He is out there somewhere...and if we put together a REAL selection committee made up of real football people, they will find him.

John Reed was not a big name coach until he became a big name coach. (Simplistic, but true)

The same with Reno, who was the freshman coach when he was hired to run the Big Red.

The three greatest coaches in Ohio States history were not big name coaches. In fact, media and some fans made fun of each of those selections. Some alumni were enraged.

The Boy Scout...Paul Brown. How could they hire a HS coach?
The Fat Man...Woody Hayes. How could they hire this guy over Paul Brown?
The Small School Coach...Jim Tressel. Youngstown STATE??? How could they hire a 1AA coach over Mason, Gruden, and Bellotti?

Hire a no name who is going to become a Big Name, and let him do it at MASSILLON.

And there you have it!!! Great post Cats44!!! And for the guy who said to give him one more year, FOR WHAT??? He hasn't improved yet, and giving him another year puts us back another year from where we want to be. Get us a long term coach and let him bring the program back!

[SternRulz]

stacy's first three years got worse every year. same with shepas' last three years. they both will be known for going out on low notes. comparing the two will be like debating which address is better, east hell or west hell.

Well that's easy. The East side is the least side, and the West side is the best! Everybody knows that!

:dance:

[RRanger]

All true. The problem is, he doesn't have the respect of the players. That's the main reason he should resign immediately. The longer he waits, the more he is hurting the program.

what's hurting the program is a bunch of so called coach, that think they know it all, all year they don't do nothing but bitch. GOOD LUCK STACY FIVE MORE YEAR'S GO TIGERS

[massillon catholic]

what's hurting the program is a bunch of so called coach, that think they know it all, all year they don't do nothing but bitch. GOOD LUCK STACY FIVE MORE YEAR'S GO TIGERS


Massillon fans are probably the most knowledgable fans around. The they smell something wrong they are usually correct.

[Mass6]

what's hurting the program is a bunch of so called coach, that think they know it all, all year they don't do nothing but bitch. GOOD LUCK STACY FIVE MORE YEAR'S GO TIGERS

Hey Genius, STACY DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE FIVE MORE YEARS!!!!! He didn't want to be here 5 years to start. People like you kill me in the fact that you say all we do is b!tch, what are you doing??? Complaining that we want the same thing Stacy wants. He wanted to move on in 3-4 years, and we want him to move on. And Massillon Catholic is correct in saying we are some of the most knowledgable fans. Get your facts right before you post your wishes!!!

[Dingma608]

I hate to burst your bubble Mass6, but you and Massillon Catholic IMO are two of the least knowledgable posters on this site. You two and CarlE act like insiders when in fact you really don't know what you're talking about. Carl is in Florida for goodness sakes yet he always seems to have the inside track. I imagine he's getting it from you two. Don't you guys know that the players and parents of players read these posts? Try saying something positive about the Massillon program instead of spewing your bs all over this website. Wouldn't that be more productive instead of all the speculating you guys are doing? You DON'T know anything so stop pretending you do!

I hope that my first post on MP has not offended anyone. I dare say- no one that matters anyways.

[Mass6]

I hate to burst your bubble Mass6, but you and Massillon Catholic IMO are two of the least knowledgable posters on this site. You two and CarlE act like insiders when in fact you really don't know what you're talking about. Carl is in Florida for goodness sakes yet he always seems to have the inside track. I imagine he's getting it from you two. Don't you guys know that the players and parents of players read these posts? Try saying something positive about the Massillon program instead of spewing your bs all over this website. Wouldn't that be more productive instead of all the speculating you guys are doing? You DON'T know anything so stop pretending you do!

I hope that my first post on MP has not offended anyone. I dare say- no one that matters anyways.

Wow great post there buddy. I never said I had an inside track to anything, please quote me. As far as bashing goes, I haven't bashed one kid who works his butt off and loves just being a Tiger. CarlE is just a knowlegable poster and receives no info from me. I don't have an inside track, I just read the news and read Coaches direct quotes. I know people in the program, but would never post anything they tell me. Please show me how I am not knowlegable, I beg you.

[massillon catholic]

I hate to burst your bubble Mass6, but you and Massillon Catholic IMO are two of the least knowledgable posters on this site. You two and CarlE act like insiders when in fact you really don't know what you're talking about..


Wait and see who is right.

[Dingma608]

I probably shouldn't have lumped you in with the other 2 I mentioned Mass6. You seem to have an honest love for Massillon and our traditions. Isn't it presumptious to say that Massillon fans are some of the most knowledgable though? I think we could dispute that statement with some of the posts on this website.

I'm just extremely disappointed with the toxic remarks made by some of the members of this site. As I said before, the Tiger players are reading these posts. They respect their coaches and their program and are dedicated to their team. Let's just remember, it's not about the people on this website and their egos. It's about the kids out there playing the game. The vast number of people posting on this website have never played a sport.

I apologize if I offended you. I simply do not agree with you. I want Coach Stacy's contract renewed.

[OTC TIGER]

As I said before, the Tiger players are reading these posts. They respect their coaches and their program and are dedicated to their team.

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With all due respect...I'm not in agreement with the above statement..at least this past year.

[Mass6]

I probably shouldn't have lumped you in with the other 2 I mentioned Mass6. You seem to have an honest love for Massillon and our traditions. Isn't it presumptious to say that Massillon fans are some of the most knowledgable though? I think we could dispute that statement with some of the posts on this website.

I'm just extremely disappointed with the toxic remarks made by some of the members of this site. As I said before, the Tiger players are reading these posts. They respect their coaches and their program and are dedicated to their team. Let's just remember, it's not about the people on this website and their egos. It's about the kids out there playing the game. The vast number of people posting on this website have never played a sport.

I apologize if I offended you. I simply do not agree with you. I want Coach Stacy's contract renewed.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me at all, that is what threads are for: discussion. Not everyone is going to agree. You'll have to take your problems with Massillon Catholic and CarlE up on your own. Playing for Massillon and then moving on to play at MUC,my knowledge for the game is plentiful and do get agitated when you tell me I have no knowledge. I accept your apology, but if kids are reading these posts, they need to go do some darn homework and get ready for next year!!! Respecting your coaches and your team isn't shown when we slam our helmets after a loss, yell at each other on the sideline, and become ineligible before the biggest game for a Tiger! Those are facts, seen by my own eyes. That doesn't belong in Massillon, the kids are better then that and they know it. All they need is a leader to show them, and I don't think one is here. Feel free to argue my points, as that is what these threads are for. Please spread your knowledge and why you would like Coach Stacy to stay, I honestly would like to hear your comments.

[massillon catholic]

. The vast number of people posting on this website have never played a sport.

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Just curious, did stacy play a sport. I dont know the answer, but according to you, it seems that playing a sport is a criteria to knowing something about the sport.

[SECTION13PBTS]

You tell us if coach Stacy played any sports. You and that guy done in Florida Carl E have all the answers.

[Dingma608]

There are always going to be kids who are ineligible. Unless they take it upon themselves to strive to do better it will never change. Lots of reasons factor into that but you can hardly blame the coaching staff. Coach Stacy enforces study table but you can't force a kid to show up for class and turn in his homework if he really doesn't want to. That's a lack of dedication to the program and I agree- how are you not eligible for the biggest game of the season unless it really doesn't matter to you. Our 2008 team right now has the highest GPA in years if not ever. It's because the kids who are excelling really want to play football and do well beyond high school which is really what it's all about. Isn't the whole point to move from high school to college and if you have any talent- get your education paid for? Coach Stacy really stresses grades and I believe this is his priority. He is a teacher first.

I agree Coach Stacy "dropped the ball" this year in the discipline department.
Some mistakes were made early on and it got out of hand but you are going to have problem players on every team. He should've dealt with it from the beginning but I think certain situations were out of his control. He probably thought it would work itself out but it did not. Head cases and personality conflicts can really cripple a team. We had all of that going on this season. There were a handful of kids who didn't like each other. The coach can only develop an environment where the kids bond and become "teammates" or they don't. Unfortunately, I don't even think winning would've solved some of the problems this year. Kids are sometimes going to have temper tantrums also- look at what they see on TV every week-end. Every team has these problems. Why do you think we are any different? To blame Coach Stacy for all the problems on the team is unfair when you factor in all the extenuating circumstances such as parent meddling, armchair quarterbacks, and all the other people who think they know better than the coach giving him advice at every turn and telling him how things should be done. Lets face it- we really don't let our coaches run the team here. We pay him a huge amount of money to take alot of crap.

Coach Stacy is a good coach and good coaches are hard to come by. To run him out of town as some of the members of this website want to do is just wrong. If the board chooses not to renew his contract, I hope they are intelligent enough not to be influenced by some of the posts on the website.

[massillon catholic]

You tell us if coach Stacy played any sports. You and that guy done in Florida Carl E have all the answers.

If it is a pre-requisite to knowing something about the sport then I would have to say NO he didnt play football.

[massillon catholic]

He is a teacher first.
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He doesnt even have his teaching certifcate anymore.

[SECTION13PBTS]

Well to help you out, Coach Stacy played both football and baseball in high school.

[massillon catholic]

Well to help you out, Coach Stacy played both football and baseball in high school.

Thanks for the info, I didnt know that. Based on this, I guess he is the most qualified to lead the football and baseball program.

[SternRulz]

He doesnt even have his teaching certifcate anymore.

You don't have to have an active certificate to act and think like a teacher and know what's in the best interest of the kids.

:doh:

[massillon catholic]

Ypu don't have to have a active certificate to act and think like a teacher and know what's in the best interest of the kids.

:doh:


Then why do you suppose teachers are required to have them?

[SternRulz]

Then why do you suppose teachers are required to have them?

Now you're just being silly.

Notice the key word active in my post. I'm sure when his certificate expired he just didn't lose the teaching mentality.

[Mass6]

There are always going to be kids who are ineligible. Unless they take it upon themselves to strive to do better it will never change. Lots of reasons factor into that but you can hardly blame the coaching staff. Coach Stacy enforces study table but you can't force a kid to show up for class and turn in his homework if he really doesn't want to. That's a lack of dedication to the program and I agree- how are you not eligible for the biggest game of the season unless it really doesn't matter to you. Our 2008 team right now has the highest GPA in years if not ever. It's because the kids who are excelling really want to play football and do well beyond high school which is really what it's all about. Isn't the whole point to move from high school to college and if you have any talent- get your education paid for? Coach Stacy really stresses grades and I believe this is his priority. He is a teacher first.

I agree Coach Stacy "dropped the ball" this year in the discipline department.
Some mistakes were made early on and it got out of hand but you are going to have problem players on every team. He should've dealt with it from the beginning but I think certain situations were out of his control. He probably thought it would work itself out but it did not. Head cases and personality conflicts can really cripple a team. We had all of that going on this season. There were a handful of kids who didn't like each other. The coach can only develop an environment where the kids bond and become "teammates" or they don't. Unfortunately, I don't even think winning would've solved some of the problems this year. Kids are sometimes going to have temper tantrums also- look at what they see on TV every week-end. Every team has these problems. Why do you think we are any different? To blame Coach Stacy for all the problems on the team is unfair when you factor in all the extenuating circumstances such as parent meddling, armchair quarterbacks, and all the other people who think they know better than the coach giving him advice at every turn and telling him how things should be done. Lets face it- we really don't let our coaches run the team here. We pay him a huge amount of money to take alot of crap.

Coach Stacy is a good coach and good coaches are hard to come by. To run him out of town as some of the members of this website want to do is just wrong. If the board chooses not to renew his contract, I hope they are intelligent enough not to be influenced by some of the posts on the website.

Glad we see eye to eye on a few things. However, haveing headcases on your team IS the Head Coaches job to keep them grounded. I think both you and I know who the head cases were on this team, and the fact that they weren't delt with made the rest of the team suffer. We had PLENTY of talent to replace those players if the coach would have done the right thing, we would have been better off.

As far as our 2008 team, that is EXACTLY what everyone wants to hear. Keep up the good work. Study table should be manditory and it should be monitored. I don't mean a coach watching over them, I mean having a coach set aside to monitor those who are having issues or have had them in the past.

[massillon catholic]

I think both you and I know who the head cases were on this team, and the fact that they weren't delt with made the rest of the team suffer. We had PLENTY of talent to replace those players if the coach would have done the right thing, we would have been better off.

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BINGO!

[Dingma608]

I meant that he feels that grades are more important to a student than football or any other sport. Let's face it, most of these kids will never play sports beyond high school.

[massillon catholic]

I meant that he feels that grades are more important to a student than football or any other sport. Let's face it, most of these kids will never play sports beyond high school.


Thats fair enough. I thought that you meant he was " a teacher first" then a "coach". I understand now.

[CarlE]

You and that guy done in Florida Carl E have all the answers.

Hey, I that guy "done" in Florida. Where the hell have YOU been? Of COURSE I have all the answers, genius. That's why I'm ME. By the way, I was sneaking beer into Section 13 probably before you were born so chances are I probably DO know a little bit more than you!! LOL

[The Butler]

Hey, I that guy "done" in Florida. Where the hell have YOU been? Of COURSE I have all the answers, genius. That's why I'm ME. By the way, I was sneaking beer into Section 13 probably before you were born so chances are I probably DO know a little bit more than you!! LOL

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/images/smilies/worship1.gif

[Benchboss1]

I want Coach Stacy's contract renewed.


Would you please explain why you feel this way.

[Benchboss1]

give stacy seven years then we'll have a better comparison, statistically. what i mean by that is that is it's much more probable to decline every year for three years than it is for seven.....just as it is more probable over two years than three.

again, you can bring up just as many bad points about shep as you can for stacy. both deserve their criticism, even though both had bright moments. neither will be talked about as massillon greats.


Ok, let's be fair. Did Shep get worse each of his first three years like Stacy did? Now we are comparing apples to apples.

[SuperBran]

Ok, let's be fair. Did Shep get worse each of his first three years like Stacy did? Now we are comparing apples to apples.

i still think it's apples and oranges.

shepas started off with the worst record we had in over 30 years. he really had nowhere to go but up. even though his record improved the following year (but dipped the year after that), he didn't win a playoff game until his fourth year, losing playoff games in his second and third year that we should have won (much like the whitmer game of last year).......and IMO he played much easier schedules.

stacy's first year we made it to the finals. the only way that he'd eclipse that is to win the title. seeing as how we've never won a playoff championship, the odds of him (or any other coach we would have) doing that were pretty slim. therefore the only way to go was down, and we did.

IMO opinion this year we weren't as talented as we were last year. i think inexperience a the qb position really hurt us as we were a one dimensional team. therefore i can understand why we would duplicate last year's record.

HOWEVER, the strength in your argument really isn't in his progression through his first three years. the real strength in your argument is in our level of achievement the past two years. we should have gone deeper into the playoffs last year, and we should have made the playoffs this year (IMO). regardless of how we've progressed, the crucial point is that we underachieved, and everyone should be blamed for that.

the bottom line is that both had rough years in the start. both had problems. stacy's record slipped each year, and shepas had a losing season and two playoff losses that should have been wins. again, neither will be remembered as massillon greats.

i think you misinterpret my arguments. i'm really not saying that stacy is a great coach, or that he's the answer for massillon. what i'm trying to point out is that he's not TOTALLY responsible for what's gone on....although some people wish to believe that he's been the cause of everything that's gone wrong. although he's ultimately responsible, that doesn't mean he's totally at fault. why is that important to point out? becauase when we create a scapegoat we sometimes ignore other surrounding problems and don't look within (as players, fans, etc.) to right the wrongs.

was shepas ultimately responsible for the team? of course he was. but was he the cause of all the problems? absolutely not. my biggest criticism of shepas is that he couldn't win the big game. that was important to me because if we ever win a state title we're going to have to win a game we shouldn't. it's going to be extremely rare that we will have the most talented team in the state. very rarely in the past 20 or so years have we even come close. if we would have won just one game that we weren't favored in i would've had hope. unfortunately we didn't. at the same time, though, i realize and give him credit for the things he accomplished while at massillon.

as far as stacy is concerned, to be honest i didn't know that he only intended to be here 3-4 years until fairly recently. if i had known that at the beginning i would have wanted someone who had the desire to be here long term. i'd love to see someone here for 10+ years, but i'm not foolish enough to believe that it'll happen. we live in a town that is known for driving our coaches out. we have thousands of coaches on the sidelines each game. there's always something to complain about, and therefore i just don't us having someone here more than 6-8 years. when the coach with the longest tenure here is 11 years, it's just not reasonable to think we'll have someone here for more than a few years.

finally, stacy may have had some low points here, but he also accomplished some great things.

[Drbord]

I can't believe you guys post the same thing day after day, week after week and month after month. All of this world wide airing of our differences time after time can not be doing our program any good. The kids read this stuff and it can't be good for them. It's one thing to talk about this in small groups in private but to put it out here for the whole world to see is just plain wrong. You are entitled to your opinions but you are not entitled to destroy the team's pride and rob this town of it's dignity. You may be anonymous but what you say here has an impact and almost all of it is negative. This incessant need to spew this venom day after day only serves to divide.

This site is meant to support the program. All I see is you tearing it down from what this kid or that kid is or isn't doing, the strength program and the Coach. You should be ashamed. If this is what you call support then Massillon can do without it. Save this kind of stuff for the telephone or other private palces not on the world wide web. Don't tell me you are only telling the truth. You can't handle the truth.

[batiiger]

Some of you guys are amazing with your bashing. I'm almost ashamed to say I am a tiger. How many of you have ever set out to meet these men and find out what they are really like. Have you taken a look around you to see what "society" has become? These are 16-17-18 year old boys. Some of them having literally no upbringing and you expect a coach to change these kid's lives through football?
Let's face reality: life is not getting easier around here and no coach is going to come in here change this "new" generation.
I just wish some of you would invest as much passion and energy in something worthwhile instead of bashing.
Football is football, life is life.
Go spend some time volunteering at a homeless shelter;
spend a day in the cancer ward at a nearby hospital;
spend a day taking a handicapped to the mall
go spend $100 on Christmas presents for someone you don't know.
Maybe this will wake some of you up to the fact that there is more to life than who is our football coach and how great he is. Let's try to remember that whoever the coach is, he is still human and will make mistakes, just as each of us do each day.
Sorry to vent, but let's keep this in perspective.

[TigerSupport]

He doesnt even have his teaching certifcate anymore.

Man....do you know ANYTHING? He played football at a HS where his father was the principal. All you have to do is read his BIO. LoL sheesh man...as far as his certificate goes - I think I recall he needed to get that renewed this year - so again....another intelligent post from Massillon Catholic. Boy-o-boy....

[massillon catholic]

All you have to do is read his BIO. LoL sheesh man...as far as his certificate goes - I think I recall he needed to get that renewed this year - so again....another intelligent post from Massillon Catholic. Boy-o-boy....

1. George O'Leary said just read my Bio and you see where that got him.

2. His teaching certificate did need to get renewed this year and I say it did not.

[SternRulz]

Not really. My point is, the post said he is a teacher first. I want to know how, if he doesn't have a teaching certificate? Perhaps, he is teaching the kids to be street-smart from what he learned living in Canal Fulton.

You just keep going around in that circle. Let me know if you catch your tail.

:doh:

[SternRulz]

Hey, I that guy "done" in Florida. Where the hell have YOU been? Of COURSE I have all the answers, genius. That's why I'm ME. By the way, I was sneaking beer into Section 13 probably before you were born so chances are I probably DO know a little bit more than you!! LOL

That's it CarlE...brag about what an old fart you are.

:biggrin:

[Tiger54]

I dont want somebody else's 'big name' coach. I want our own.

He is out there somewhere...and if we put together a REAL selection committee made up of real football people, they will find him.

John Reed was not a big name coach until he became a big name coach. (Simplistic, but true)

The same with Reno, who was the freshman coach when he was hired to run the Big Red.

The three greatest coaches in Ohio States history were not big name coaches. In fact, media and some fans made fun of each of those selections. Some alumni were enraged.


The Boy Scout...Paul Brown. How could they hire a HS coach?
The Fat Man...Woody Hayes. How could they hire this guy over Paul Brown?
The Small School Coach...Jim Tressel. Youngstown STATE??? How could they hire a 1AA coach over Mason, Gruden, and Bellotti?

Hire a no name who is going to become a Big Name, and let him do it at MASSILLON.
What about coaches like Earle Bruce and Chuck Mather who were not exactly household names before they came to Massillon? And we ended up being wonderful for each other? What about Leo Strang? Many years afterward he bragged about his association with Tigertown.

[Tiger54]

what's hurting the program is a bunch of so called coach, that think they know it all, all year they don't do nothing but bitch. GOOD LUCK STACY FIVE MORE YEAR'S GO TIGERS
My Lord! Five more years of Stacy you would have no more Tiger football program and no one sitting in the stands---and a Dream project that would be a white elephant!

[SuperBran]

My Lord! Five more years of Stacy you would have no more Tiger football program and no one sitting in the stands---and a Dream project that would be a white elephant!

well, considering that average home attendance over a coach's career has dropped every year since owens, my guess is that in five more years it's going to drop even more no matter who the coach is......unless, of course, we win that title we've been dreaming about for 30+ years.

owens averaged just under 12,000 per home game.
rose averaged just above 11,100
shepas averaged just under 10,000
stacey averaged just over 9,000

[GR8ING]

I find it amazing that the only person who gets blamed for the discipline problem is Stacy.

You think it is his fault the players say they won;t play a certain position. How about lets blame the kids parents. That simply shows a lack of up-bringing and disrespect for adults.

If any of you on here are a parent who's child told the coaching staff they wouldn;t play a position and are now bashing Stacey, you folks better wake up and smell the coffee. You are the problem and it is probably is hereditary problem that will continue.

These parents who allow this to go on should be ashamed of themselves.

[SuperBran]

I find it amazing that the only person who gets blamed for the discipline problem is Stacy.

You think it is his fault the players say they won;t play a certain position. How about lets blame the kids parents. That simply shows a lack of up-bringing and disrespect for adults.

If any of you on here are a parent who's child told the coaching staff they wouldn;t play a position and are now bashing Stacey, you folks better wake up and smell the coffee. You are the problem and it is probably is hereditary problem that will continue.

These parents who allow this to go on should be ashamed of themselves.

i agree. EVERYONE needs to take responsibility.

those parents are like the parents who have kids that fail in the classroom and blame the teachers........yet spend absolutely no time working with their kids on their studies.

[TigerVic]

Are all HS teams so lacking in discipline? If not, what seems to work?

I'll bet somewhere in there is a no-nonsense head coach.

[man2man]

We are now debating if Coach Stacy played a sport? Unbelieveable.

That scraping sound you hear is Mass Catholic working the bottom of the barrell.

This thread has far surpassed its usefulness.

[CarlE]

We are now debating if Coach Stacy played a sport? Unbelieveable.

That scraping sound you hear is Mass Catholic working the bottom of the barrell.

This thread has far surpassed its usefulness.

Actually, I'm debating your premise that the decision of staying or leaving still lies with Coach Stacy when 4 out of 5 board members communicated they would not agree to a renewal. Anything your know-it-all, condescending crap attitude would like to rescind? This is your last shot before I open both barrels. (The correct spelling, by the way).

[Dingma608]

I don't think anything discussed in the BOE meeting the other night was made public CarlE so how do you come up with the 4 out of 5 statistic? Were you on a conference call in the meeting all the way from St Pete? If you're privy to all this information that has not been made public yet, I'd like to know how.

[CarlE]

I don't think anything discussed in the BOE meeting the other night was made public CarlE so how do you come up with the 4 out of 5 statistic? Were you on a conference call in the meeting all the way from St Pete? If you're privy to all this information that has not been made public yet, I'd like to know how.

A birdy told me. And I'm certainly not the ONLY one that heard this, believe me. Come on, guys do you HONESTLY believe that this wouldn't be know fairly quickly?

[RRanger]

I think losing Coach Stacy will be a big blow and he should stay on one more year.

I feel that this upcoming year will be a good year in which the Tigers make the playoffs and maybe beyond.

Let see: he (team) almost beat Mentor.

Was close to beating Solon.

Those two games were close.

Give him one more year and get off his back and you will see a good team on the field.

TO TIGERS - I am behind you coach.....

me too, but i would like three or even five year extension's

[fyrewood]

me too, but i would like three or even five year extension's


How many times do you have to be told that Coach Stacy has openly admitted that he DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE THAT LONG???? :wall:

[CarlE]

How many times do you have to be told that Coach Stacy has openly admitted that he DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE THAT LONG???? :wall:

Woody, I don't believe 8 million times being told will actually sink in to some people's minds. I swear.

[Dingma608]

A birdy told me. And I'm certainly not the ONLY one that heard this, believe me. Come on, guys do you HONESTLY believe that this wouldn't be know fairly quickly?

Those "birdy's" should not be representing our school system if they are going to reveal personal information discussed in a private meeting to people like you who are going to blab it all over the www. They should be voted out. Maybe we'll get lucky and you and MC will get eaten by an alligator while out on the golf course. Keep him down there for awhile will ya?

[LLRose]

I'll tell you what I WILL do. Tell you to go to hell and mind your own damn business tough guy.

I agree with Dingma regarding Tom's employment, however CarlE is a long time contributor on this site and should be shown more respect. After only 14 posts I recommend you stick to the topic.

That being said, if you simply would have omitted CarlE and only included MC your post would have been on the money.

[Tiger54]

Those "birdy's" should not be representing our school system if they are going to reveal personal information discussed in a private meeting to people like you who are going to blab it all over the www. They should be voted out. Maybe we'll get lucky and you and MC will get eaten by an alligator while out on the golf course. Keep him down there for awhile will ya?
Come on now. The birdy who told the story does not even have to be one of the board members. All it had to be was someone who was present at the meeting, right? At a Board meeting it isn't only the board members who are present so re-think your remark. Maybe you need to visit the alligators instead of telling someone else to do it.

[Seeker]

Come on now. The birdy who told the story does not even have to be one of the board members. All it had to be was someone who was present at the meeting, right? At a Board meeting it isn't only the board members who are present so re-think your remark. Maybe you need to visit the alligators instead of telling someone else to do it.

It was an executive session.

[CarlE]

I agree with Dingma regarding Tom's employment, however CarlE is a long time contributor on this site and should be shown more respect. After only 14 posts I recommend you stick to the topic.

That being said, if you simply would have omitted CarlE and only included MC your post would have been on the money.

Thanks, LLRose. Although I usually disagree with you, the fact his that you have always been diplomatic, at least with me.