Coach Stacy Facts

[hrmjenl]

Had we made the finals this year I believe people would STILL have an issue with the lack of discipline. I know I would.

[Red50Go]

i'm hung up on this b/c it relates to our future coach. everyone has expressed a desire to have a long-term coach. i'm just trying to guage what standard is going to be applied, b/c that will directly impact the chances of having someone her long term.

The basic standards are pretty much unchanged. Beat Mckinley, making playoffs & success in the playoffs. Ultimately a state title w/in 4-5 years, or close to it, or people start getting antsy. (Understatement of the year so far, lol).

But I think what is finally starting to change is the realization of how much more is needed beyond talent alone. Long term stability - a coach who wants to be here and wants to stay. Even if he changes his mind and leaves at least thats what we're looking for now, which is 180 degree change. The hoped for results being: 1. Improved discipline, top to bottom. 2. Player Development. We cant overemphasize the need to instill the work effort, player development, fundamentals and execution at the earliest levels of our feeder system. It is these areas that draw Stacy's sharpest critics. As you pointed out before, is maybe why it seems Shep and/or Rose did have worse records that were more palatable, in a given season.

[massillon catholic]

We have no banned fans !


Thank you.

[SuperBran]

But I think what is finally starting to change is the realization of how much more is needed beyond talent alone. Long term stability - a coach who wants to be here and wants to stay. Even if he changes his mind and leaves at least thats what we're looking for now, which is 180 degree change. The hoped for results being: 1. Improved discipline, top to bottom. 2. Player Development. We cant overemphasize the need to instill the work effort, player development, fundamentals and execution at the earliest levels of our feeder system. It is these areas that draw Stacy's sharpest critics. As you pointed out before, is maybe why it seems Shep and/or Rose did have worse records that were more palatable, in a given season.


i agree completely.

[massillon catholic]

But I think what is finally starting to change is the realization of how much more is needed beyond talent alone. Long term stability - a coach who wants to be here and wants to stay. Even if he changes his mind and leaves at least thats what we're looking for now, which is 180 degree change. The hoped for results being: 1. Improved discipline, top to bottom. 2. Player Development. We cant overemphasize the need to instill the work effort, player development, fundamentals and execution at the earliest levels of our feeder system. It is these areas that draw Stacy's sharpest critics. As you pointed out before, is maybe why it seems Shep and/or Rose did have worse records that were more palatable, in a given season.

For Massillon to compete year in and year out we need a coach that stays long term, just as you say. We also need a coach that works the feeder system, just as you say. Massillon has talent and I get sick of people saying that we dont. Stacy's criticism's are because he failed to discipline and failed to develop. Two things that stick in my head are Owens comment that Stacy was the best QB coach in the country and the fact that stacy was here before, just as Rose before he was head coach. Stacy didnt develop one QB and had over two years to do it. I just cant get past that fact and his lack of discipline was unbelievable.
Fortunately he will soon be old news.

[SuperBran]

Stacy didnt develop one QB and had over two years to do it. I just cant get past that fact and his lack of discipline was unbelievable.

so just b/c he failed to make this year's qb a star means that he's no good? i think you forget that our qb this year was third string last year and threw one pass in his entire career before this year. was he even on the varsity roster in 2005???

should we forget the work he did with huth, washington, frye, hurst, mossides, etc.?

i agree with everything else you said in your last post, but i think stacy has shown that he can do well with qbs. i just think that not every kid can be turned into a great player. coaches aren't miracle workers and sometimes there are limits to how well a kid can progress.

[Red50Go]

Imo MC has been a little too harsh, and I agree w/ the last 2 posts. But given what has transpired, even commented on publically by the coach, part of me does have to wonder how much was done in the offseason to get kids ready. Frankly, it was hard to gauge the qb's when they hardly had a prayer back there to begin w/.

[massillon catholic]

i think you forget that our qb this year was third string last year and threw one pass in his entire career before this year. was he even on the varsity roster in 2005???

should we forget the work he did with huth, washington, frye, hurst, mossides, etc.?

i agree with everything else you said in your last post, but i think stacy has shown that he can do well with qbs. i just think that not every kid can be turned into a great player. coaches aren't miracle workers and sometimes there are limits to how well a kid can progress.

Huth was a good QB as a sophmore, two years before Stacy ever got to Massillon. Although, I may be wrong, I dont think Stacy was on the staff Mossides Sr. year. I'm sure someone with this knowledge will let us know. The point I'm making is that we had other kids who could have been QB's and stacy didnt try to make them a QB.

[Banks]

I dont think Stacy was on the staff Mossides Sr. year. I'm sure someone with this knowledge will let us know. The point I'm making is that we had other kids who could have been QB's and stacy didnt try to make them a QB.


Good question, I do know that Nick and Stacy are close so there must have been some ineraction between the 2 could be just Nicks junior year.

[Banks]

Thinking back I think Nick was the qb on Owens last season ( 1991 ) and we all know Stacy wasn't here for that .

[massillon catholic]

Thinking back I think Nick was the qb on Owens last season ( 1991 ) and we all know Stacy wasn't here for that .

Thats right.

[SuperBran]

Huth was a good QB as a sophmore, two years before Stacy ever got to Massillon.

stacy took over when huth was a junior (one year later), and had two years with huth. i'm sure stacy help him on his way to passing for 2000 yards in his first varsity year as a starter. also, stacy coached lee hurst, who was the first tiger to throw for 2000 yards (and he did it running the run and boot).

Although, I may be wrong, I dont think Stacy was on the staff Mossides Sr. year.

owens credited stacy for developing mossides. he might have worked with him privately, but i do know that owens did give stacy credit.

The point I'm making is that we had other kids who could have been QB's and stacy didnt try to make them a QB.

out of curiosity, who are they? i wasn't aware that we had other kids who could play the position.

[massillon catholic]

owens credited stacy for developing mossides. he might have worked with him privately, but i do know that owens did give stacy credit.

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I'm tired of hearing what Owens said.

[SuperBran]

I'm tired of hearing what Owens said.

you're the one who asked about mossides.

[massillon catholic]

you're the one who asked about mossides.


No, you said "should we forget what he did with huth, washington, frye, hurst and mossides" I said, I didnt think stacy coached mossides his Sr. year. Then you said " owens gave stacy credit for developing him" Why not give Shepas credit for developing Huth? Certainly you cant expect us to believe that stacy deveopled him in two months, do you?

[Banks]

Why not give Shepas credit for developing Huth? Certainly you cant expect us to believe that stacy deveopled him in two months, do you?

Should we give Shepas credit for developing Gamble as a tailback ? Oh never mind he had him at different position.

[massillon catholic]

Should we give Shepas credit for developing Gamble as a tailback ? Oh never mind he had him at different position.

He sure did WR, exactly where he is playing in College. Yoder FB in high school, recruited as an offensive lineman in college.

[SuperBran]

No, you said "should we forget what he did with huth, washington, frye, hurst and mossides" I said, I didnt think stacy coached mossides his Sr. year. Then you said " owens gave stacy credit for developing him"

yes, i brought up what owens said as proof of stacy's work with mossides.


Why not give Shepas credit for developing Huth?

did shepas work with huth individually to help him develop as a qb? if so then i'll give him some credit. otherwise i'll give that portion of credit to his position coach.

Certainly you cant expect us to believe that stacy deveopled him in two months, do you?

he worked with him through the season as well......and through the year after that.

you certainly can't expect everyone to believe that stacy played NO part in his development.

[massillon catholic]

yes, i brought up what owens said as proof of stacy's work with mossides.


did shepas work with huth individually to help him develop as a qb? if so then i'll give him some credit. otherwise i'll give that portion of credit to his position coach.

he worked with him through the season as well......and through the year after that.

you certainly can't expect everyone to believe that stacy played NO part in his development.

1. I wouldn't take Owens word as Gospel.

2. Who was Shepas QB position coach? I dont remember.

3. I believe that stacy played a part in how huth performed. However he developed as a freshman and sophomore.

4. I think you are giving stacy too much credit for mossides. In all fairness, he really wasnt that good and he had two great backs behind him and one of the best O-Lines Massillon has had in years.

[SuperBran]

1. I wouldn't take Owens word as Gospel.

i'd take the word of a head coach who was there over to word of anyone one here who really doesn't know the truth.

that's the problem with this site.........too much speculation. people criticized stacy by saying that we need a head coach who stresses academics. the problem was that the people making the statements had no clue how much emphasis stacy put on academics. it was kamd who shut everyone up by telling everyone how dedicated the coaches have been.

the truth is that no one besides guys like huth, hurst, etc. really know how much of an impact he's had. to just assume that he's had no impact whatsoever is just ridiculous. if no one knows for sure what he did for huth, for example, why assume he did nothing?

and just b/c stacy didn't make our qb a star this year doens't mean he's not a good qb coach. let me bring up charlie weis again since he's known by many as a great qb coach. he's had evan sharpley for three years now. sharpley stunk this year. since he wasn't able to make sharpley into a great qb after three years, does that make weis a bad qb coach?

2. Who was Shepas QB position coach? I dont remember.

that i'm not sure of.

3. I believe that stacy played a part in how huth performed. However he developed as a freshman and sophomore.

he may have started developing as a freshman and sophmore, but who's to say that stacy didn't add significantly to his development? i'm sure guys like moore, crable and jordan were pretty developed football players as freshmen and sophomores, but that's not to say that shepas and his staff didn't take them to the next level.

4. I think you are giving stacy too much credit for mossides. In all fairness, he really wasnt that good and he had two great backs behind him and one of the best O-Lines Massillon has had in years.

mossides was a pretty solid qb. he had very good fundamentals and had a head for the game. he didn't have prototypical size and arm strength, and the run and boot was not a great system to throw out of, but he ran it well. mossides didn't have to be a star qb to show that stacy taught him well.

[macguy]

4. I think you are giving stacy too much credit for mossides. In all fairness, he really wasnt that good and he had two great backs behind him and one of the best O-Lines Massillon has had in years.


MC, let me start with this. I respect your opinion because we are all entitled to our own opinions. But...what do you use for your measuring stick to determine whether someone is good or not?? Did you play against that person that you are judging? Are you comparing them to former QB's? Yardage? Won/loss records?? Or more importantly, heart and determination? You sound like a longtime fan so think back to the Moeller game at Galbreath(sp) Field in '91. (Yeah, I know, that was a long time ago.) Remember that Nick sprained his knee? He came back with a brace the rest of the season and still ran the run-and-boot without hesitation.

In all fairness, and IMHO, you cannot put the blame or credit to one coach, in the high school ranks, for the development of a player. There are so many coaches that they are connected with in the JR High levels and up that either give them a great foundation or not. I don't credit my success to just one coach. I give it to Coaches If, Daniels, Daniels (Tim), Studer (Joe and Steve), Mauro, Owens, Vrotsos, Wells, and Ridgley. I respected these guys and still do to this day. They were my leaders and when we went into battle, and it was an honor to have them in charge.

Now, back in the day I didn't know Coach Stacy that well (I wasn't a QB). But I can tell you that after speaking with him a few times before this season, I respect him also. I hope that he stays with us for a few more years. Everybody makes mistakes and I believe that he has learned from these. We all make mistakes. When we were kids did we listen to our parents all the time? NO! We had to burn our hands before we realized that our parents were right about the stove being hot. So put me in the column as a Tom Stacy backer. I was just as frustrated this season as alot of fans, but I can see the big picture and hope that he is part of our future success. We have some potentially great teams coming in the next 2-3 years.

Know this...I wish that a decision would be made on the contract soon. Renew or non-renew, I don't care. Either way we need to get down to business and start preparing for next year. I will support the coach (whoever it is) until he shows me a reason not to.

MC, no disrespect :thumbsup:, I just felt a nerve tingling and had to defend a friend. Unfortunately everything else that I was thinking came out with it.

Go TIGERS! Let's get the weight room rockin' and show our opponents what it feels like to play 4 quarters in PBTS!
:tig:

[man2man]

It would be in the best interest of the program, school and community to renew Coach Stacy's contract. Anything else right now is a step backward.

Losing the Super and Stacy only weakens the program.

[CarlE]

Losing the Super and Stacy only weakens the program.

How so?

[monte81]

Come on now---comparing Nick Moesedies to Huth is carzy. Nick was not even the best QB on the team. Mike Danzy was but was only a soph. The Moeller game we lost 20-14(Moe might of had 28) and Travis had 150+ and both TD's! Noone else but Travis and the oline showed up to play that game.

Huth was small but had great heart and desire to be a tiger. The way he battled was crazy and he should not be compared to a player who handed the ball off 375 times in 1 season!

Owens to Stacy---Coach Owens opens up the offense and rarely ran between the tackles and ran alot of misdirection plays to utilize talent. I thought Stacy would use his speed more the last couple of years. I look at the lack of using---Pooder, Shegg, Daily, etc,... more in the offense in 06 and the same thing with JT, Massey, KJ, etc,... in 07! You have to play to the strengths of your team and we have not done that quite effectively in recent years.

[SuperBran]

Nick was not even the best QB on the team. Mike Danzy was but was only a soph.

please. danzy wasn't ready to lead the offense. danzy might have turned out to be the better qb, but during the 91 season mossides earned his spot.

The Moeller game we lost 20-14(Moe might of had 28) and Travis had 150+ and both TD's! Noone else but Travis and the oline showed up to play that game.

okay, then how about the iggy game in the playoffs? mossides passed for two tds (53 yards and 42 yards)...........not even travis had a td that game.

mossides may not have been all-state, but he ran the offense well. he was like krenzel during osu's championship season.......he didn't stand in the spotlight, but didn't make a lot of mistakes.

Huth was small but had great heart and desire to be a tiger. The way he battled was crazy and he should not be compared to a player who handed the ball off 375 times in 1 season!

if huth would have started in 91, he would have handed off 375 times as well. you can't make such a comment when mossides played with two of the best running backs in our history.

[Red50Go]

SuperBran, I liked Mossidis too but who knows. If you are going to run 99% of the time and everyone knows it why not use a qb who can run too? Its a legit point that I've heard many times. Iggy totally keyed on 2 guys. Yes it opened up those 2 memorable pass plays but they were open because they were so unexpected. All he did was lob the ball up.

This year we used Clark as our "running qb". He was nowhere near the runner JT is. If you want your qb to run (or be a threat to) why not put your best runner in there? We figured that out too late. I would have also used Pooder more at Qb last year too. I LOVED Huth but reality is reality and the offense hit a wall, mostly cuz of the line, and losing Porrini. As I watched all the title games the last couple years, I noticed a common theme among the great teams - their qb's ran.

[monte81]

Superbran,, handing the ball off almost 400 or more times you could use my 13 year old to run that offense. We also had talented WR's that we couldn't get the ball like Mark Stafford(DI player) Nick was a good kid and I grew up with him at the B& G Club but Mike was ready---all he had to do was hand it to the horses!

Travis had 100+ against Iggy and was the only player to do such in the season. If we would of gave the ball to Travis on the 3 yard line we would have a championship right now! No way we lose with a 19-7 advantage but we called a differant play!:wall: Red50go, Pooder would of made a differance in the title game at QB in 05! Huth could not avoid the rush and was not mobile enough to beat St. X! Coach Huffman stated that after the game that we needed abit more running but Huth was definitely not the blame for the loss. pooder had 1 carry on a option with KJ in the Perry scrimmage for 35 yards and NOTHING else all year. FUNNY but we want to win Championships!!! We had a HS version of White/Slaton but didn't use it---dumb coaching! BG and Pooder laughed at the thought of teams trying stopping them but our coaches did that for the opponents.

[massillon catholic]

It would be in the best interest of the program, school and community to renew Coach Stacy's contract.

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The decision has already been made and stacy is fully aware that he is NOT coming back. His coaching abilities are so much in question that it looks like he wont even get the Green job.

[massillon catholic]

MC, let me start with this. I respect your opinion because we are all entitled to our own opinions. But...what do you use for your measuring stick to determine whether someone is good or not?? Did you play against that person that you are judging? Are you comparing them to former QB's? Yardage? Won/loss records?? Or more importantly, heart and determination? You sound like a longtime fan so think back to the Moeller game at Galbreath(sp) Field in '91. (Yeah, I know, that was a long time ago.) Remember that Nick sprained his knee? He came back with a brace the rest of the season and still ran the run-and-boot without hesitation.

In all fairness, and IMHO, you cannot put the blame or credit to one coach, in the high school ranks, for the development of a player. There are so many coaches that they are connected with in the JR High levels and up that either give them a great foundation or not. I don't credit my success to just one coach. I give it to Coaches If, Daniels, Daniels (Tim), Studer (Joe and Steve), Mauro, Owens, Vrotsos, Wells, and Ridgley. I respected these guys and still do to this day. They were my leaders and when we went into battle, and it was an honor to have them in charge.

Now, back in the day I didn't know Coach Stacy that well (I wasn't a QB). But I can tell you that after speaking with him a few times before this season, I respect him also. I hope that he stays with us for a few more years. Everybody makes mistakes and I believe that he has learned from these. We all make mistakes. When we were kids did we listen to our parents all the time? NO! We had to burn our hands before we realized that our parents were right about the stove being hot. So put me in the column as a Tom Stacy backer. I was just as frustrated this season as alot of fans, but I can see the big picture and hope that he is part of our future success. We have some potentially great teams coming in the next 2-3 years.

Know this...I wish that a decision would be made on the contract soon. Renew or non-renew, I don't care. Either way we need to get down to business and start preparing for next year. I will support the coach (whoever it is) until he shows me a reason not to.

MC, no disrespect :thumbsup:, I just felt a nerve tingling and had to defend a friend. Unfortunately everything else that I was thinking came out with it.

Go TIGERS! Let's get the weight room rockin' and show our opponents what it feels like to play 4 quarters in PBTS!
:tig:

I like Nick too. Too often you guys think when I question a persons talent or coaching ability that, that is an attack on him as a person. That's not true! My point is, stacy is not as good at developing QB's as owens said. I agree with Monte that danzy was better. To my knowledge, stacy has never developed a high school qb that went on to qb in college and he had two college qb's that flopped in the pro's. If stacy is so good why in the world do you think owens was so quick to recommend him for a high school job? And, now thats he's going to be out of a job, why isn't owens beatin down his door to get him back?

[macguy]

I like Nick too. Too often you guys think when I question a persons talent or coaching ability that, that is an attack on him as a person. That's not true! My point is, stacy is not as good at developing QB's as owens said. I agree with Monte that danzy was better. To my knowledge, stacy has never developed a high school qb that went on to qb in college and he had two college qb's that flopped in the pro's. If stacy is so good why in the world do you think owens was so quick to recommend him for a high school job? And, now thats he's going to be out of a job, why isn't owens beatin down his door to get him back?


Understood. But I ask again. What is your measuring stick for a good qb? I blocked for Nick (and Travis and Falando) and my brother blocked for Mike D. We could both go round about which qb was better at passing, running, handing off, etc. Point is, he was dedicated to his qb and I to mine.

Yes, Danzy was a heck of a scrambler. Nick was a technician. They each had their good points.

I don't know if Stacy had any qb's go to college, can't answer that one.

If Owens hesitated to endorse Stacy, that would make people question the sincereness of the endorsement. A swift no is better than a wavering yes. Maybe his staff is full and he has no room for him. I don't know the situation at Ashland. I could only speculate at Owen's actions.

[Ms V]

I like Nick too. Too often you guys think when I question a persons talent or coaching ability that, that is an attack on him as a person. That's not true! My point is, stacy is not as good at developing QB's as owens said. I agree with Monte that danzy was better. To my knowledge, stacy has never developed a high school qb that went on to qb in college and he had two college qb's that flopped in the pro's. If stacy is so good why in the world do you think owens was so quick to recommend him for a high school job? And, now thats he's going to be out of a job, why isn't owens beatin down his door to get him back?

Something to think about. I wish that something would get done and soon.
I am ready for some football now.

[Banks]

What is everyones hurry ?

[SuperBran]

in college and he had two college qb's that flopped in the pro's.

were they not good college players?

frye's career rating is slightly lower than leinart's, although attempting about 100 more passes. vince young's career passer rating is 69. i guess norm chow sucks too.

to judge how well a qb coach does with a qb, you have to look at where they start and where they end.

If stacy is so good why in the world do you think owens was so quick to recommend him for a high school job?

the same reason why employers give letters of recommendations to great employees who have been loyal and want to move on to something different.

And, now thats he's going to be out of a job, why isn't owens beatin down his door to get him back?

well, since owens doesn't have the insiders that you have, i'm sure he really doesn't know what's going on right now. also, how ridiculous would owens be to can his current qb coach to bring stacy back. owens is loyal.

[SuperBran]

Pooder would of made a differance in the title game at QB in 05! Huth could not avoid the rush and was not mobile enough to beat St. X! Coach Huffman stated that after the game that we needed abit more running but Huth was definitely not the blame for the loss. pooder had 1 carry on a option with KJ in the Perry scrimmage for 35 yards and NOTHING else all year. FUNNY but we want to win Championships!!! We had a HS version of White/Slaton but didn't use it---dumb coaching! BG and Pooder laughed at the thought of teams trying stopping them but our coaches did that for the opponents.

please don't even suggest that huth wasn't the right qb in 05, b/c then you'd lose all credibility whatsoever. huth was a huge part of that season, throwing for 18 tds and over 2,000 yards.

[monte81]

please don't even suggest that huth wasn't the right qb in 05, b/c then you'd lose all credibility whatsoever. huth was a huge part of that season, throwing for 18 tds and over 2,000 yards.

You quoted half of what I said about Huth and the QB situation in 05/06. Never said that Hufh was not an excellant QB---i said that in the original post! However, Pooder was and is a great athlete that was underused at QB, RB, and WR for 2 years! You cannot sit here and tell me that DI college football playerswere not good enough to play on offense for Stacy. Pooder would of been a great change of pace for direct snap, option, and the pass for a change up.

[crackerman]

Understood. But I ask again. What is your measuring stick for a good qb? I blocked for Nick (and Travis and Falando) and my brother blocked for Mike D. We could both go round about which qb was better at passing, running, handing off, etc. Point is, he was dedicated to his qb and I to mine.

Yes, Danzy was a heck of a scrambler. Nick was a technician. They each had their good points.

I don't know if Stacy had any qb's go to college, can't answer that one.

If Owens hesitated to endorse Stacy, that would make people question the sincereness of the endorsement. A swift no is better than a wavering yes. Maybe his staff is full and he has no room for him. I don't know the situation at Ashland. I could only speculate at Owen's actions.


This conversation in my book isnt fair. You are comparing 2 qb's that in my opinion are not just totally different ability wise, the talent level surrounding them isnt even fair. Danzy was the focal point of the offense and wasnt surrounded by Travis, Falando and Stafford. Also, with all due respect to your brother....your offensive line might of been the best in Tiger history. So If I had to give a nod, I would have to give it to Danzy, based upon those key things. No disrespect to anyone here at all, I thought Nick was a solid HS QB, but Mikey D was not surrounded by major td weapons.

[monte81]

This conversation in my book isnt fair. You are comparing 2 qb's that in my opinion are not just totally different ability wise, the talent level surrounding them isnt even fair. Danzy was the focal point of the offense and wasnt surrounded by Travis, Falando and Stafford. Also, with all due respect to your brother....your offensive line might of been the best in Tiger history. So If I had to give a nod, I would have to give it to Danzy, based upon those key things. No disrespect to anyone here at all, I thought Nick was a solid HS QB, but Mikey D was not surrounded by major td weapons.

Crackerman-----macguy was part of the oline in 1991 and his brother blocked for Mike D in 1992/93. I thought you were getting us mixed up because of the screen name! I was an air assault trooper by 1992 when Mike D played.

best QB I seen play in my time was Brian Dewitz--- sweet in the pocket, strong arm, and elusive. Best backfield in a LONG LONG time at all 3 positions
Dewitz, Spielman, and Craig Johnson---all big ten recruits!

[massillon catholic]

were they not good college players?

frye's career rating is slightly lower than leinart's, although attempting about 100 more passes. vince young's career passer rating is 69. i guess norm chow sucks too.





the same reason why employers give letters of recommendations to great employees who have been loyal and want to move on to something different.


also, how ridiculous would owens be to can his current qb coach to bring stacy back. owens is loyal.

1. Please dont tell me that you are comparing USC's schedule to that of the Akron Zips.

2. Letter of recommendations are a joke. That's like asking a renter for references and he brings one from his current land-lord. Do you think he's going to say he doesnt pay the rent on time? Hell no, he wants him out of there so he'll say he was the best tenant ever.

3. How could owens turn down the "best" qb coach in the country? If owens is so loyal, as you say, why isnt he helping his buddy find a job?

[chap]

Some good points MC.

[massillon catholic]

Something to think about. I wish that something would get done and soon.
I am ready for some football now.

Its done. They are just trying to save him some embarrassment by allowing him to find a job first then resigning. I suppose that is the politically correct thing to do. However, not me, I'm more concerned about the program and bringing in the best coach. Time is of the essence. It should be made public that he's not coming back since its already been told to him in private.

[Banks]

I'm more concerned about the program and bringing in the best coach. Time is of the essence. It should be made public that he's not coming back since its already been told to him in private.


Why ?

[SuperBran]

1. Please dont tell me that you are comparing USC's schedule to that of the Akron Zips.

where did i compare the two? i compared college ability with pro ability. leinart was a great college qb, but so far is an average pro qb. young lit it up in college but has struggled a little. both were great college qbs who have been less than expected to date. my point chow isn't a bad qb coach simply b/c leinart and young where great college qbs who have yet to develop in the pros as expected. i simply pointed out that the "bust" frye has a qb rating in the same neighborhood. if you take away from stacy b/c frye's a 'bust' then let's take away from chow as well since his boys haven't developed as much as they should have.

2. Letter of recommendations are a joke. That's like asking a renter for references and he brings one from his current land-lord. Do you think he's going to say he doesnt pay the rent on time? Hell no, he wants him out of there so he'll say he was the best tenant ever.

first, where did i say that letters of recommendation always have merit? you're assuming too much. i merely gave you a possible explanation for why owens gave stacy a good recommendation. similar sitations occur in the real world everyday. you ignore the fact that hat people don't just give glowing recommendations to people they want to get rid of.

you can assume that owens just wanted stacy out, if you want; however, why would owens keep stacy with him so long if he was no good? he brought him to massillon, akron, and ashland.

3. How could owens turn down the "best" qb coach in the country? If owens is so loyal, as you say, why isnt he helping his buddy find a job?

more speculation and assumption on your part. do you know owens personally? if not, then how do you know what he is or isn't doing for stacy. don't tell me he's not helping him when you have no clue whatsoever.

furthermore, it could be a situation where stacy simply doesn't want to rejoin owens on his staff. you have no clue when it comes to this situation, and neither do i or anyone else........so why speculate? when you have knowledge of what's going on, then get back to me.

[SuperBran]

Pooder would of been a great change of pace for direct snap, option, and the pass for a change up.

yeah, but you always dance with the one who brought ya.

[man2man]

He has not been told that in private. That is not true.

[Obie Wan]

Why ?

Because the longer this goes on, the more time people have to inject themselves into the process behind the scenes, and the more likely it is that we'll end up with a coach who has been hand-picked by a small group for reasons of self-gratification rather than the betterment of the program.

Or maybe that's the reason for the delay?

[macguy]

This conversation in my book isnt fair. You are comparing 2 qb's that in my opinion are not just totally different ability wise, the talent level surrounding them isnt even fair. Danzy was the focal point of the offense and wasnt surrounded by Travis, Falando and Stafford. Also, with all due respect to your brother....your offensive line might of been the best in Tiger history. So If I had to give a nod, I would have to give it to Danzy, based upon those key things. No disrespect to anyone here at all, I thought Nick was a solid HS QB, but Mikey D was not surrounded by major td weapons.

Thanks Crackerman. I thought that we were good, but not the best ever. It was almost as if that offense was made for us and our individual talents. Just the right personnel at the right time.

You're right, Danzy was not surrounded by the talent that Nick was. I do think that an Owens offense was a finesse-physical team versus a Rose offense being more muscle-physical. Not sure if that makes sense, but it sounds good in my head.

[reofan82]

The "small group" you may be referring to is the same group who picked a new Superintendent without posting the position or bothering to look at other potential candidates. It is my guess, this group does have the next coach picked, but will need to do the dog and pony show to satisfy the community. If Coach Stacy were going to be here next year, the board would have already made that public. In Ohio, school boards have until March 30th of each year to offer new contracts or non-renew Administrators who have contracts set to expire. Besides a coaching contract, I am sure Coach Stacy has an Administrative contract as well. There is nothing to stop a school board from announcing or acting on a renewal of an administrative contract before March 30th. It is not uncommon for a board who intends not to renew an administrative contract, to wait until the very last minute to act so an administrator has a chance to find another job. Dont' be surprised if this is the case. If this turns out to be the case, you can bet someone is lined up to come in after a brief "search".

[macguy]

Crackerman-----macguy was part of the oline in 1991 and his brother blocked for Mike D in 1992/93. I thought you were getting us mixed up because of the screen name! I was an air assault trooper by 1992 when Mike D played.

best QB I seen play in my time was Brian Dewitz--- sweet in the pocket, strong arm, and elusive. Best backfield in a LONG LONG time at all 3 positions
Dewitz, Spielman, and Craig Johnson---all big ten recruits!

Monte81, I always liked to watch Dewitz play. Seemed to be the total package. An all-star backfield like that is such a rare thing, anywhere!

[macguy]

The "small group" you may be referring to is the same group who picked a new Superintendent without posting the position or bothering to look at other potential candidates. It is my guess, this group does have the next coach picked, but will need to do the dog and pony show to satisfy the community. If Coach Stacy were going to be here next year, the board would have already made that public. In Ohio, school boards have until March 30th of each year to offer new contracts or non-renew Administrators who have contracts set to expire. Besides a coaching contract, I am sure Coach Stacy has an Administrative contract as well. There is nothing to stop a school board from announcing or acting on a renewal of an administrative contract before March 30th. It is not uncommon for a board who intends not to renew an administrative contract, to wait until the very last minute to act so an administrator has a chance to find another job. Dont' be surprised if this is the case. If this turns out to be the case, you can bet someone is lined up to come in after a brief "search".

Interesting...
If this is the case, I shudder to think about how far behind the curve we are in conditioning and adjusting to a new regime.

[LLRose]

Interesting...
If this is the case, I shudder to think about how far behind the curve we are in conditioning and adjusting to a new regime.

In the old days you didn't need a coach to get a tiger in the weight room to prepare himself for the next season. Individual pride to be the best and not wanting to let your teammates and community down, used to drive this program.

This is another example of the cultural change that must occur to get the Tiger program to the next level.

[man2man]

The attendance at the "voluntary" workouts last off season were horrible.

Stacy is somewhat limited as to how much he can influence off-season workouts. The OHSAA has set firm limits on any coach's contact with or organization of team events during different times of the year.

Thanks in part to Coach Stacy, Massillon is repairing its reputation with the OHSAA. Let's not assume he can drive around a bus and force kids into the weight room.

[crackerman]

The attendance at the "voluntary" workouts last off season were horrible.

Stacy is somewhat limited as to how much he can influence off-season workouts. The OHSAA has set firm limits on any coach's contact with or organization of team events during different times of the year.

Thanks in part to Coach Stacy, Massillon is repairing its reputation with the OHSAA. Let's not assume he can drive around a bus and force kids into the weight room.


The only thing set by OHSAA is that coaches cannot have contact wiht the players for 30 days after the season. That is it.OHSAA says that you cant make off-season workouts mandatory....however OHSAA doesnt make it mandatory that everyone plays or who starts.

[monte81]

yeah, but you always dance with the one who brought ya.

We did---we rode BG for 2 years and teams started to figure it out in 06 without Robinson to back there with him. I love Bobby and everyone know they split time at Qb on run/pass/option situations up until the QB genius arrived in town. We have not utilized our talents in situations to win the big games because of player decisions made by the staff. Why? it's been like that with alot of teams in our storied history! We did the same thing with JT 2 years running and many others who could make a differance because of the "best players play defense rule" which is horse poop!!

[monte81]

The only thing set by OHSAA is that coaches cannot have contact wiht the players for 30 days after the season. That is it.OHSAA says that you cant make off-season workouts mandatory....however OHSAA doesnt make it mandatory that everyone plays or who starts.

Bingo---- you dont participate you dont play! It does not have to be written but well known throughout the team talk!

man2man----is it not Stacy's job to put out a product that is with the standards of the program? YOU SIT KIDS WHO DONT PRACTICE OR WORKOUT-PERIOD-:wall:

[Tiger54]

Bingo---- you dont participate you dont play! It does not have to be written but well known throughout the team talk!

man2man----is it not Stacy's job to put out a product that is with the standards of the program? YOU SIT KIDS WHO DONT PRACTICE OR WORKOUT-PERIOD-:wall:
Duh. . . . that shouldn't be too hard to figure, is it, Monte? Why go to the newspaper and cry that you can't get the kids into the workroom?? Which he did for two years. You just tell them, you don't work out in the summer, you don't play in the fall.

[massillon catholic]

Duh. . . . that shouldn't be too hard to figure, is it, Monte? Why go to the newspaper and cry that you can't get the kids into the workroom?? Which he did for two years. You just tell them, you don't work out in the summer, you don't play in the fall.


Heck, stacy couldnt even make players play certain positions. How in the world would anyone expect him to make them go to workouts?

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=man2man;91625]

Thanks in part to Coach Stacy, Massillon is repairing its reputation with the OHSAA. QUOTE]

Repairing are reputation...LOL...It wouldn't matter if the late Paul Brown or
Joe Paterno were coaching Massillon...they hate us...Except at the gate during playoffs

[monte81]

Duh. . . . that shouldn't be too hard to figure, is it, Monte? Why go to the newspaper and cry that you can't get the kids into the workroom?? Which he did for two years. You just tell them, you don't work out in the summer, you don't play in the fall.


I know I wouldn't tell the entire football nation that i had trouble motivating 14-18 year old kids! I would let out a can of whoop @ss on the entire team. NO PRACTICE/WORKOUTS=BENCH!!!

LLRose---you are definitely correct. The Monday following the last game you were either wrestling or basketball practice after school and weight training during your workout period! if you didn't play sports your requirements were to complete your sheet every week and other team training during that time---no excuses! Every player had a designed workout sheet each week for Coach Stu and Ty to sign off saying you completed your required lifts. The depth chart(in the coaches office) was something that always changed during the off season for those reasons----SLACKERS!!!

[Purple Hayes]

Monte81, I always liked to watch Dewitz play. Seemed to be the total package. An all-star backfield like that is such a rare thing, anywhere!

And all 3 were transfers...LOL.

I do agree that was a great backfield. Interesting how there weren't "chemistry" issues, at least to my knowledge. My favorite memory was Craig Johnson's reverse-field run for a TD against Barberton. He must have run 100 yards to gain 30.

[monte81]

And all 3 were transfers...LOL.

I do agree that was a great backfield. Interesting how there weren't "chemistry" issues, at least to my knowledge. My favorite memory was Craig Johnson's reverse-field run for a TD against Barberton. He must have run 100 yards to gain 30.

Craig was probably top 5 backs I have seen in my lifetime at Massillon. My brother has some major records, Falando was a bull, Bone was sweet as well, Jason Stafford was the fastest but Jerome Myricks was the one with the smooth and effortless strides with sneaky power. I put him and Travis 1A and 1B!! I was to young to watch WIllie Spencer Sr. or Tom Hanion play but my mother said they are right there! History of the program Mauger and Art Hastings are also legend!

[SuperBran]

Jason Stafford was the fastest

stafford was faster than johnson?

doesn't johnson still hold the stark county 100 meter record? i think he ran a 10.4.

[monte81]

stafford was faster than johnson?

doesn't johnson still hold the stark county 100 meter record? i think he ran a 10.4.

Craig ran a 10.6 100 meters as a senior which was tied by Shawn Crable as a senior. Jason Stafford ran a 10.9 100 meters against Alliance as a freshman but didn't run track in HS because he was a workout warrior in the gym building the team from within! Jason also ran a 4.3 electrical 40 yard dash while at YSU. Ask some of retired legendary assistants of the program---Jason Stafford was lightening fast and once he hit the seem--it was over. Funny the second fastest guy in the school was 6'3" 253 lb. CJ HARRIS---hard to believe its true.

Shut, Mark Stafford was the fastest on the 1991 team if I recall

[LLRose]

Heck, stacy couldnt even make players play certain positions. How in the world would anyone expect him to make them go to workouts?

Your comments about players not playing certain positions was refuted in a different thread off of an interview from Bucknuts.com and the fact some of the greatest RBs in Ohio High School Football history didn't play both ways. Brandon Saine, Robert Smith and Carlos Snow to name a few.

YOU may believe he (transfer) should have played both ways, however you have no proof the coaching staff wanted him to play defense and he refused. If you have proof please provide it.

[Red50Go]

Your comments about players not playing certain positions was refuted in a different thread off of an interview from Bucknuts.com and the fact some of the greatest RBs in Ohio High School Football history didn't play both ways. Brandon Saine, Robert Smith and Carlos Snow to name a few.

YOU may believe he (transfer) should have played both ways, however you have no proof the coaching staff wanted him to play defense and he refused. If you have proof please provide it.

Those other guys weren't returning all-state LB's. The list of blue chippers who DO go both ways is alot longer.

Besides this whole "refused to play D" claim is just in defense of Stacy by his supporters, not a condemnation by his critics. No one, except maybe YOU, believes that was a good decision. You cant have it both ways. Neither was keeping JT out of the backfield.

[monte81]

Those other guys weren't returning all-state LB's. The list of blue chippers who DO go both ways is alot longer.

Besides this whole "refused to play D" claim is just in defense of Stacy by his supporters, not a condemnation by his critics. No one, except maybe YOU, believes that was a good decision. You cant have it both ways. Neither was keeping JT out of the backfield.


Agree! DT manhandled EVERY DI five star LB at the Nike camp in PA this past summer! I just knew he would be like an animal all season roaming the middle!

You have to play your stars on both sides of the ball! We did it with BG, Daily, and select players but others with equal talent CANNOT!! Funny to me everytime someone brings it up! Most of our great players went both ways! Shut, Willie Spencer played QB and FS, Jerome Myricks, Spielman, etc,... 2 way players all game! Even players that were not on the level as platoon players play both ways!

LLRose---Saine=best player in Ohio last year? I think I would give that to Eugene Clifford! The kid played QB, RB, WR, and every snap of the season on defense!

[man2man]

YOU may believe he (transfer) should have played both ways, however you have no proof the coaching staff wanted him to play defense and he refused. If you have proof please provide it.

You are right again, but no proof will be provided. First of all, it's not true and no proof exists. Secondly, facts and truth are not an essential requirement to coach bash in Massillon. It's another one of our "traditions".

Posts such as Monte's prove that many people have no idea what kinds of people and potentially ugly and legal situations can flare up at any moment. And it's not just the kids - it's the parents of these kids who make life miserable for coaches, teachers, administrators, etc. if they choose to do so.

Doesn't anyone recall recent history and the Shepas experience? Look at what happened this season at Tallmadge. What were once traditional and successful ways of motivating young people are now looked at differently.

One parent with a lawyer by their side screaming "You ain't gonna do my kid that way" sends shivers down an administration's spine. The admins then instruct the coaches and teachers on what would be "the best way to handle the situation", i.e. how do we put this away quietly and avoid negative press?

[Red50Go]

Thats hilarious. You're going to tell Monte he has no idea what its like in his own program, or his own neighborhoods.

Bottom line DT didn't play lb. A 5'8" sophmore did, and admirably I will say. You tell us oh wise one.

[monte81]

You are right again, but no proof will be provided. First of all, it's not true and no proof exists. Secondly, facts and truth are not an essential requirement to coach bash in Massillon. It's another one of our "traditions".

Posts such as Monte's prove that many people have no idea what kinds of people and potentially ugly and legal situations can flare up at any moment. And it's not just the kids - it's the parents of these kids who make life miserable for coaches, teachers, administrators, etc. if they choose to do so.

Doesn't anyone recall recent history and the Shepas experience? Look at what happened this season at Tallmadge. What were once traditional and successful ways of motivating young people are now looked at differently.

One parent with a lawyer by their side screaming "You ain't gonna do my kid that way" sends shivers down an administration's spine. The admins then instruct the coaches and teachers on what would be "the best way to handle the situation", i.e. how do we put this away quietly and avoid negative press?

Tallmadge??? hazing, conduct of players, etc,.... had nothing to do with my previous post! however our staff has had problems controlling discipline of the team as well!! We are talking about playing the best players WITHOUT the politics to win football games! We do not do that and have not done that for years. What eam wins with 2nd string players starting because they do want players to be fatigued? What coach at MASSILLON had problems getting kids to go to workouts?

I dont care what Johnnys parents say! I dont care what the ADMIN think or anyone else who thinks they know something! Every year we do not utilize all of our talents to win football games.

Funny----who has 2nd unit players on the punt team in a Championship game???? Or call run up the middle 20 times in 1 game for ZERO yards and blames the RB?

[LLRose]

Besides this whole "refused to play D" claim is just in defense of Stacy by his supporters, not a condemnation by his critics. No one, except maybe YOU, believes that was a good decision. You cant have it both ways. Neither was keeping JT out of the backfield.

Not playing an alleged 5 star Blue Chip Recruit both ways is a very common practice instituted by coaches in high school football as previously demonstrated. You may not agree with the strategy, however it has been implemented by top coaches in the past. I personally believe D1 players should play both ways, it is second guessing to bash the coach for implementing a strategy used in the past with other alleged 5 star RBs in the past.

[giant lugey]

I can think of a few 5 star players who were a nemesis to us who played both ways...Mike Doss, Anthony Gonzales, Mario Manningham........

[Kamd50]

Here's a thought, regardless of how everything else played out, maybe the coaches, teachers, and admins. wouldn't have such a hard time dealing with some of these kids if they were raised properly by their parents and taught to respect and obey authority figures. Instead, they are taught they are somehow privileged because of their talent or skills and have the right to try and dictate what they will and will not do; in school as well as in sports. And some of these parents go way overboard with thinking their kid is better than everyone else's and need to learn how to just keep their mouths shut sometimes.

[TigerCoach]

Here's a thought, regardless of how everything else played out, maybe the coaches, teachers, and admins. wouldn't have such a hard time dealing with some of these kids if they were raised properly by their parents and taught to respect and obey authority figures. Instead, they are taught they are somehow privileged because of their talent or skills and have the right to try and dictate what they will and will not do; in school as well as in sports. And some of these parents go way overboard with thinking their kid is better than everyone else's and need to learn how to just keep their mouths shut sometimes.

Amen, but it's not just limited to parents. How about the boosters & fans in town who, if they were politicians, would be considered extreme radicals?:oops:

[Red50Go]

LLRose, results speak for themselves. We dont get to the Title Game in 05 w/ Gamble & Dailey on the bench, and we dont get a new coach next year w/ DT & JT on the field.

[monte81]

Here's a thought, regardless of how everything else played out, maybe the coaches, teachers, and admins. wouldn't have such a hard time dealing with some of these kids if they were raised properly by their parents and taught to respect and obey authority figures. Instead, they are taught they are somehow privileged because of their talent or skills and have the right to try and dictate what they will and will not do; in school as well as in sports. And some of these parents go way overboard with thinking their kid is better than everyone else's and need to learn how to just keep their mouths shut sometimes.

True but what about the fallen kids who have parents not readily avaliable because of several reasons--drugs, death, broken homes, etc,... we have to accomadate those kids in the program and work them as well!

What about the kids who should be playing but sit the bench---everyone who is close to program or played in the program knows that players SIT because of outside influences! That is definitely not far to the kids either.The kids with the best talents, work ethic, and discipline should play--PERIOD but that does not always happen in tigertown!

That is why coaches are mentors, leaders, teachers,etc,... and are supposed to care just abit more than than the average citizen--IMO!

My brother quit the team in 1989 because our staff refused to allow him to play RB! Right decision? Sometimes the coach doesn't know everything!! Travis was told he was not good enough and his best position was WR-----HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[LLRose]

Here's a thought, regardless of how everything else played out, maybe the coaches, teachers, and admins. wouldn't have such a hard time dealing with some of these kids if they were raised properly by their parents and taught to respect and obey authority figures. Instead, they are taught they are somehow privileged because of their talent or skills and have the right to try and dictate what they will and will not do; in school as well as in sports. And some of these parents go way overboard with thinking their kid is better than everyone else's and need to learn how to just keep their mouths shut sometimes.

This is a positive example of the cultural change that must occur for the Tiger program to get to the next level.

[monte81]

This is a positive example of the cultural change that must occur for the Tiger program to get to the next level.


You need more than X's and O's coaches to accomplish that mission! The same scenerios are happening in alot of programs.

I am in development stages to come up with a program to change that situation for kids I care about in Stark County. I hope to finish my plan and present it to some influential people in the community within a few months.

[Kamd50]

Amen, but it's not just limited to parents. How about the boosters & fans in town who, if they were politicians, would be considered extreme radicals?:oops:

I agree completely with that as well. Imagine for a moment that the coach, whoever he may be, and his staff, were actually allowed complete reign over HIS team and be allowed to do HIS job without any interference whatsoever from the fans, parents, boosters, and admins. ; who would only be there in a supportive capacity in cheering on the kids and reinforcing the rules.

Yea, I know...... :rolleyes:

[LLRose]

You need more than X's and O's coaches to accomplish that mission! The same scenerios are happening in alot of programs.

I am in development stages to come up with a program to change that situation for kids I care about in Stark County. I hope to finish my plan and present it to some influential people in the community within a few months.

I wish you the best with your program.

I may not agree with many of your comments, however I do not question your commitment to the program.

[macguy]

I agree completely with that as well. Imagine for a moment that the coach, whoever he may be, and his staff, were actually allowed complete reign over HIS team and be allowed to do HIS job without any interference whatsoever from the fans, parents, boosters, and admins. ; who would only be there in a supportive capacity in cheering on the kids and reinforcing the rules.

Yea, I know...... :rolleyes:

Kinda like the basketball team. How many championships have we had? How often do we change coaches? Looks to me like we come closer to this scenario here than in football.

[Kamd50]

True but what about the fallen kids who have parents not readily avaliable because of several reasons--drugs, death, broken homes, etc,... we have to accomadate those kids in the program and work them as well!

What about the kids who should be playing but sit the bench---everyone who is close to program or played in the program knows that players SIT because of outside influences! That is definitely not far to the kids either.The kids with the best talents, work ethic, and discipline should play--PERIOD but that does not always happen in tigertown!!

This is a different issue than to what I was speaking of. My post is in reference to those kids and parents who want and insist on special treatment of their sons specifically due to the talent they feel their kid posseses alone.

Sometimes a parent may actually be dooming a kid to sit the bench because of their well intentioned mouth-running to the coach, also. We all know that regardless of what kind of a person you are, any coach has to have a certain amount of ego to be involved in that kind of role. And how many coaches like or appreciate outsiders, especially a parent or relative trying to tell them where their kid should be played? I'd say, not many, if any at all. No coach likes being told how he should be running his show.

Of course I agree with your idea that things should be made fair for all members of the team. And further that they should be dealt with according to their talent, desire, attitude towards the team and academics.
You say that that doesn't always happen in TigerTown, Monte, but I dare say, that is probably true of just about anywhere, highschool and otherwise.

[monte81]

This is a different issue than to what I was speaking of. My post is in reference to those kids and parents who want and insist on special treatment of their sons specifically due to the talent they feel their kid posseses alone.

Sometimes a parent may actually be dooming a kid to sit the bench because of their well intentioned mouth-running to the coach, also. We all know that regardless of what kind of a person you are, any coach has to have a certain amount of ego to be involved in that kind of role. And how many coaches like or appreciate outsiders, especially a parent or relative trying to tell them where their kid should be played? I'd say, not many, if any at all. No coach likes being told how he should be running his show.

Of course I agree with your idea that things should be made fair for all members of the team. And further that they should be dealt with according to their talent, desire, attitude towards the team and academics.
You say that that doesn't always happen in TigerTown, Monte, but I dare say, that is probably true of just about anywhere, highschool and otherwise.

I got you!
However---no room for politics when you want to win championships!

[Seeker]

This is the last chance to keep this thread open.

We have been clear on our editorial policy on this matter.

Until there is something officially announced, we are not hosting coach replacement discussions: http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779 (http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779)

If this thread strays that direction again, we will have to lock it down.

Thanks for your cooperation.

:deal:

[massillon catholic]

This is the last chance to keep this thread open.

We have been clear on our editorial policy on this matter.

Until there is something officially announced, we are not hosting coach replacement discussions: http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779 (http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779)

If this thread strays that direction again, we will have to lock it down.

Thanks for your cooperation.

:deal:

Here we go again.:furious:

[Tiger77]

It seems there are no more "facts" to be learned about Coach Stacy. Hopefully we can all wish him well-whatever happens.

[massillon catholic]

There are facts, but the gestapo wont let us post about them.

[Seeker]

There are facts, but the gestapo wont let us post about them.

Bulltacos.

Give an example of a "fact" about the coach or his job performance this year that we have not allowed to be posted on this thread.

We have not allowed discussions about specific candidates to be a "new" coach.

Also, please stop calling the moderators names.
We don't call you names, and we delete all the posts (which are many) where others are calling you names.

Can't we all try to be a bit more respectful of each other this year?

:vconst:

[massillon catholic]

.
We don't call you names, and we delete all the posts (which are many) where others are calling you names.



:vconst:

Posters are actually calling me names? I'm appalled!

[Kamd50]

It seems there are no more "facts" to be learned about Coach Stacy. Hopefully we can all wish him well-whatever happens.

I totally agree. And to further comment on Seeker's comment about all of us trying to be a little more respectful this year; why not try and show some class for a change and represent Massillon and it's fans in a positive light for a change? I think we have had and unfortunately will have enough negativity and ugliness to go around and then some.

And contrary to what some may still think, they really don't know everything or who's to blame for everything that went wrong this past season either.

Peace!

[LLRose]

please pm me any updates.
There are facts, but the gestapo wont let us post about them.

[Mass6]

Anyone think that BGSU QB Coaching vacancy is being looked into by someone????

[massillon catholic]

Anyone think that BGSU QB Coaching vacancy is being looked into by someone????

Its a done deal!

[Mass6]

That's what I was thinking too, but wanted to see what others think.

[Mass6]

And trust me, I know that I'm not the first one to see this or think of this, just didn't see it posted here.

[man2man]

Thanks for all the interest in and support of Coach Stacy as this thread nears 15,000 views and 500 replies. Awesome!

[Marie]

Thanks for all the interest in and support of Coach Stacy as this thread nears 15,000 views and 500 replies. Awesome!

There's been lots of interest and not much support.:wall:

[man2man]

To mark the 5ooth post on this phenomenal thread, I want to say that here we are on Sunday evening, January 20th. Although predicted otherwise by Mass Cath and others, Tom Stacy is still the coach of the Tigers.

Wasn't he first rumored to be "gone, done deal" in December?

Anyway, I will say he is pursuing other options and, should nothing better work out, he will return as coach of our Tigers. Obviously, no one else has given you correct information.

I wish only the best for Tom, his family and his Tiger family at large. You would be wise to keep him.

[CarlE]

Anyway, I will say he is pursuing other options and, should nothing better work out, he will return as coach of our Tigers. Obviously, no one else has given you correct information.



So when all this finally does come out, I want to make sure I CLEARLY understand your post. Are you telling everyone on here with your 500th post that this will be HIS decision? God, how delusional are you, boy?

[massillon catholic]

To mark the 5ooth post on this phenomenal thread, I want to say that here we are on Sunday evening, January 20th. Although predicted otherwise by Mass Cath and others, Tom Stacy is still the coach of the Tigers.

Wasn't he first rumored to be "gone, done deal" in December?

Anyway, I will say he is pursuing other options and, should nothing better work out, he will return as coach of our Tigers. Obviously, no one else has given you correct information.

I wish only the best for Tom, his family and his Tiger family at large. You would be wise to keep him.


Let me put it in its simpliest terms for you. Under NO cirmcumstances will stacy be coaching Massillon next year. It has nothing to do with whether he finds another job or not. HE WILL NOT BE BACK! Massillon Catholic will be coaching the Tigers before stacy ever does again.

[CarlE]

Let me put it in its simpliest terms for you. Under NO cirmcumstances will stacy be coaching Massillon next year. It has nothing to do with whether he finds another job or not. HE WILL NOT BE BACK! Massillon Catholic will be coaching the Tigers before stacy ever does again.

In other words, it's not his decision. I like now that the end is near, and even man2man knows it, that he's now trying to spin this in a different direction. Nice try, boy. Too bad that it's so transparent that a freaking three-year old can see through it. Just PROMISE us you will be long gone when Coach Stacy heads to wherever it is that he is heading. PLEASE promise us that. I've never met somebody more clueless that tried to position himself as such "in the know" as your loser ass. Good riddance, and real soon.

[Big W 36]

Carl E,
The beer man from section#13 will always be missed by the loyal fans who still have those seats. We don't have the roof over are heads to keep us dry and warm.

Just one other comment, This isn't the only stadium in N.E. Ohio you were sneaking beer into [up north] got caught.:laughing: