Coach Stacy Facts

[Obie Wan]

Veering back dangerously close to the original topic: does anyone here remember that Stacy applied for the McKinley job in 2003?

[massillon catholic]

Veering back dangerously close to the original topic: does anyone here remember that Stacy applied for the McKinley job in 2003?


Didnt even get an interview as I recall.

[monte81]

You have no credibility left. He cant win with tons of talent and the best athletes recruited from the inner-city of Cleveland how in the world is he going to win at Massillon? Because his kids knows he cares for them?? You have said on here that you want a coach that has coached black players or afro-americans as you call them. What about a coach that doesnt coach white players? what's the difference.

You do not read!!! NEVER said I wanted, wished for or thought Ginn Sr. is the best suited coach for the Massillon Tigers!!! PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!! I said I wanted a coach who had the passion that he does to the job----PERIOD!! I watched the special on Ch.10 and was amazed how many lives a coach touched in Cleveland by coaching football and track and wished we had a coach that cares as much as he does!!!!

Race only becomes a factor when the HC and assistants are not in touch with cultural reality and situations----our kids need african americans in our program they can relate to as well!!! never said white or black HC but some quallity assts. in the program---Coach Huffman knew how to do it pretty well and coach Ifentedies, Wells, Whitfield, etc,... we have fewer and fewer of those coaches every year!

I never stated I wanted a black coach or a white coach EITHER!!! I want the best coach who cares about our kids on and off the field. IF we had a coach that cares, studies the game, and secures schollies---is what I said I wanted.

[massillon catholic]

[B]

our kids need african americans in our program they can relate to as well!!!

I never stated I wanted a black coach or a white coach EITHER!!! .

#1 Who are the "OUR" kids that you are referring too?

#2 If "OUR" kids need afro-americans in the program, how can you then say "I never stated I wanted a black coach or a white coach"? Isnt an afro-american coach, black?

[monte81]

#1 Who are the "OUR" kids that you are referring too?

#2 If "OUR" kids need afro-americans in the program, how can you then say "I never stated I wanted a black coach or a white coach"? Isnt an afro-american coach, black?

I never stated I wanted a black or white HC!!!! In fact my vote if our HC position opens would be BJ Payne( a white guy) but he sees no color but orange and black uniforms-----its a differance!
We need variety of coaches in our program to deal with white and black kids. I feel that our black assts. do not do enough for our kids off the field and the same for the whites coaches. All our players need role models they can relate to everyday and we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSES COACHES----PERIOD IN OUR PROGRAM!!!

I don't want to see any black kids dogged out or not taken care of just as well as I don't want any white kids not taken care of! The white side of our staff is represented but the black side of our staff is lacking--IMO! Things in that department has never been right throughout history!

[monte81]

We always hire token coaches and assts. that do not get the job done. Coaches NEVER do enough to take care of players
Involvement in players lives on and off the field is essential----1/4 of the time does not cut it!
We never play the best 11 players
We need diversity in our coaching staff
the best coaches are not always teachers

The old way has not worked in 37 years but we continue to do it that way and fail! Let the new school coaches bring the fire back to the program!!

[Tiger54]

I never stated I wanted a black or white HC!!!! In fact my vote if our HC position opens would be BJ Payne( a white guy) but he sees no color but orange and black uniforms-----its a differance!
We need variety of coaches in our program to deal with white and black kids. I feel that our black assts. do not do enough for our kids off the field and the same for the whites coaches. All our players need role models they can relate to everyday and we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSES COACHES----PERIOD IN OUR PROGRAM!!!

I don't want to see any black kids dogged out or not taken care of just as well as I don't want any white kids not taken care of! The white side of our staff is represented but the black side of our staff is lacking--IMO! Things in that department has never been right throughout history!
From what I hear tell, this coach didn't do a heck of a lot for our present kids, regardless of their color. How many of our kids are being announced as scholarship winners---and how much did this coach do in that regard?? I worry that when there is a changeover, which will undoubtedly happen, will we THEN learn that there wasn't a whole lot of effort expended in any regard by this coach. As Monte says, we need a HC who will care for our kids---whether it is on the field, off the field, in the classroom. . .

[massillon catholic]

I never stated I wanted a black or white HC!!!! In fact my vote if our HC position opens would be BJ Payne( a white guy) but he sees no color but orange and black uniforms-----its a differance!
We need variety of coaches in our program to deal with white and black kids. I feel that our black assts. do not do enough for our kids off the field and the same for the whites coaches. All our players need role models they can relate to everyday and we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSES COACHES----PERIOD IN OUR PROGRAM!!!

I don't want to see any black kids dogged out or not taken care of just as well as I don't want any white kids not taken care of! The white side of our staff is represented but the black side of our staff is lacking--IMO! Things in that department has never been right throughout history!


I think that your positions are promoting division not unity. When we start saying we need so many black asst coaches or so many white asst coaches then we are no longer bringing in a coach because he can coach but rather because he is white or black. Unless, you are suggesting that some black players are so out of control that it takes a black coach to handle them, players such as DT and GJ. Otherwise, maybe your efforts should be directed to the homes of the players you seem to represent. Isnt that where the problem really lies?

[monte81]

I think that your positions are promoting division not unity. When we start saying we need so many black asst coaches or so many white asst coaches then we are no longer bringing in a coach because he can coach but rather because he is white or black. Unless, you are suggesting that some black players are so out of control that it takes a black coach to handle them, players such as DT and GJ. Otherwise, maybe your efforts should be directed to the homes of the players you seem to represent. Isnt that where the problem really lies?

if a parent is bad that does not make the kid bad, if a parent is in prison that does not doom the kid to prison. We want these same kids to perform on the field but turn our heads to the real needs they have in life.

Division not unity??? Division is seperating team and individual punishment, placing blame on the kids for calling bad plays, not working for them because you have no job security,etc,...We need a coach that will stick up for the kids that are right, jump on the kids that are wrong, and treat everyone with the same respect they want in return. We need culteral awareness, discipline, and better off the field management. A coach is supposed to be a coach, mentor, and father figure in a kids life---ALL DAY not just until the McKinley game is over!

You mentioned players by name but I will not but we had white players smoking weed, stealing, etc,... as well!! many players white and black need role models and our current staff has not done a good job in that department. Why have assts. just wearing polos on Fridays that do nothing the other 250 days out of the year? Whats the assts.responsibilities during the off season, after practice, etc,...? how many coaches workout in the weightroom but Coach Hack and Ty?? how many care like Coach Palma? NOT MANY and those are the one's not performing to the standards needed to win and build productive lives. Black kids need black role models----I don't expect you to understand because noone in Massillon has gotten it yet! Players will run over you if they dont respect you---that is what happened the last 2 years--its not about control but relating to each individual situation.

Tiger54---you are correct! Some things are not getting done in our program that ALWAYS happened in the past----coaches fault AGAIN because he is the boss! Why do we except mediocre jobs when it comes to our kids??

[macguy]

The white side of our staff is represented but the black side of our staff is lacking--IMO!

This is more than just your opinion...it is a fact.
But I do not think that we need to hire a person in any position based solely on race. I realize that this happens in the real world, but unfortunately I am not in charge (yet) to change it.
A good leader doesn't need to be exactly like the people that are following him to positively impact them. Think of a teacher (Mrs Robb for example), a drill instructor, a motivational speaker. I didn't even have Mrs Robb as a teacher, but she knew who I was and asked about me from time to time after I graduated. By the way, I am white/caucasion/anglo-saxon/german-american/whatever.
Monte, you stated previously that you find jobs for vets. To them you are a leader and I imagine that you work just as hard for all races that need your help. Keep up the good work for our vets and thank you for your service.:usflag:

[RRanger]

well, considering that average home attendance over a coach's career has dropped every year since owens, my guess is that in five more years it's going to drop even more no matter who the coach is......unless, of course, we win that title we've been dreaming about for 30+ years.

owens averaged just under 12,000 per home game.
rose averaged just above 11,100
shepas averaged just under 10,000
stacey averaged just over 9,000

we don't have the people,here any more,they died off, or moved away, but we will bounce back,starting this year GO TIGER'S

[monte81]

This is more than just your opinion...it is a fact.
But I do not think that we need to hire a person in any position based solely on race. I realize that this happens in the real world, but unfortunately I am not in charge (yet) to change it.
A good leader doesn't need to be exactly like the people that are following him to positively impact them. Think of a teacher (Mrs Robb for example), a drill instructor, a motivational speaker. I didn't even have Mrs Robb as a teacher, but she knew who I was and asked about me from time to time after I graduated. By the way, I am white/caucasion/anglo-saxon/german-american/whatever.
Monte, you stated previously that you find jobs for vets. To them you are a leader and I imagine that you work just as hard for all races that need your help. Keep up the good work for our vets and thank you for your service.:usflag:

Coach Huffman was the same way, Wells, Whitfield, etc,.. like I stated earlier in the thread! It has to be people who really care about people and the kids in the program. We have a few but not many anymore and some diversity is needed in the system for sure.

When I trained soldiers all I saw was ARMY green but it seems to get twisted in the system we have with our football program!

Where are the deals for Dorie Irvin?? Not good enough? This is the kind of BS i am talking about!! We do not do enough for these kids who worked hard for the program.

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE=monte81;90785] Black kids need black role models--QUOTE]

As long as you continue with this line of reasoning you are going to lose those people that can help. If you think a black kid needs a black role-model to make it, then dont bitch when the white guy isnt there. I helped many black kids when Rose was the coach, thankfully they didnt think I needed to be black to help them.

[massillon catholic]

Where are the deals for Dorie Irvin?? Not good enough? This is the kind of BS i am talking about!! We do not do enough for these kids who worked hard for the program.


Why dont you start a "recruiting service" for kids and make it a non-profit organization. Then give yourself a salary from the non-profit. You can move to Massillon, make more money than you do now and help the kids. I think we got it all solved.

[Tiger54]

if a parent is bad that does not make the kid bad, if a parent is in prison that does not doom the kid to prison. We want these same kids to perform on the field but turn our heads to the real needs they have in life.

Division not unity??? Division is seperating team and individual punishment, placing blame on the kids for calling bad plays, not working for them because you have no job security,etc,...We need a coach that will stick up for the kids that are right, jump on the kids that are wrong, and treat everyone with the same respect they want in return. We need culteral awareness, discipline, and better off the field management. A coach is supposed to be a coach, mentor, and father figure in a kids life---ALL DAY not just until the McKinley game is over!

You mentioned players by name but I will not but we had white players smoking weed, stealing, etc,... as well!! many players white and black need role models and our current staff has not done a good job in that department. Why have assts. just wearing polos on Fridays that do nothing the other 250 days out of the year? Whats the assts.responsibilities during the off season, after practice, etc,...? how many coaches workout in the weightroom but Coach Hack and Ty?? how many care like Coach Palma? NOT MANY and those are the one's not performing to the standards needed to win and build productive lives. Black kids need black role models----I don't expect you to understand because noone in Massillon has gotten it yet! Players will run over you if they dont respect you---that is what happened the last 2 years--its not about control but relating to each individual situation.

Tiger54---you are correct! Some things are not getting done in our program that ALWAYS happened in the past----coaches fault AGAIN because he is the boss! Why do we except mediocre jobs when it comes to our kids??
WOW! Everything you say is true, Monte. We need to get this turned around. There were many negative things that you could say about Shepas but in some respects he cared much more about the kids than what you see going on now.

[monte81]

Why dont you start a "recruiting service" for kids and make it a non-profit organization. Then give yourself a salary from the non-profit. You can move to Massillon, make more money than you do now and help the kids. I think we got it all solved.


I have been writing a proposol with my ADMIN to see if could work. Thing is you cannot just work with one school population it would have to be open to every student athlete in the Country. You want to help out with this project?

[massillon catholic]

I have been writing a proposol with my ADMIN to see if could work. Thing is you cannot just work with one school population it would have to be open to every student athlete in the Country. You want to help out with this project?

If you recall, I brought this up to you last spring. It is something that I would look into. My interest would be in the kids that may get over-looked, not the blue-chip recruits.

[monte81]

[QUOTE=monte81;90785] Black kids need black role models--QUOTE]

As long as you continue with this line of reasoning you are going to lose those people that can help. If you think a black kid needs a black role-model to make it, then dont bitch when the white guy isnt there. I helped many black kids when Rose was the coach, thankfully they didnt think I needed to be black to help them.

MC you miss the entire point of teaching and molding kids! its not about money--its the time you put in with them. Anyone can help anyone but a black kid can relate to a black man better that walked in his shoes. I have been where these kids are trying to go, done the BS they are doing now, etc,... I give it to them straight like it should be, workout with them, study with them---EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO MAKE IT, no strings attached.

Role models are role models but it helps alot when they know it is not talk but for real! With me they know its real talk 24/7!

[monte81]

If you recall, I brought this up to you last spring. It is something that I would look into. My interest would be in the kids that may get over-looked, not the blue-chip recruits.


I will contact you tomorrow if you are serious about this. man I want to come home and help these kids. I have a coaching database and blue chips dont need help I am talking about the Hildreths, Irvins,, etc,... that can play on the Diaa, DII levels that get screwed in the recruiting process. PM me your phone number and I will call you in the morning!

I was told my brother was not DI material but he lettered as a true Freshman at UT!! I worked on that deal with Coach Hedden for a few months

[Red50Go]

I dont know how anyone can say Massillon does not need racial diversity on the staff. Thats common sense. We do seem to usually have that for the most part but we just need the right guys I guess. Guys who bleed orange, can motivate, and LOVE Massillon - the program, school, and community.

I know its been rehashed over & over but I think living here is a prerequisite. If not you cant covince me of the sentence before. The HC & some key assistants need to be a phone call & 2 minutes away, 24/7. It seems like we (and many posters on this site) keep asking for less, as if that will attract more candidates or something, make them happier, etc. But I think we need to be asking for ALOT more and weeding out the guys who aint into it 110%.

[massillon catholic]

I dont know how anyone can say Massillon does not need racial diversity on the staff. Thats common sense. We do seem to usually have that for the most part but we just need the right guys I guess. Guys who bleed orange, can motivate, and LOVE Massillon - the program, school, and community.

I know its been rehashed over & over but I think living here is a prerequisite. If not you cant covince me of the sentence before. The HC & some key assistants need to be a phone call & 2 minutes away, 24/7. It seems like we (and many posters on this site) keep asking for less, as if that will attract more candidates or something, make them happier, etc. But I think we need to be asking for ALOT more and weeding out the guys who aint into it 110%.

I agree the HC must live in Massillon. Of the last three HC only Shepas lived in Massillon and he got a brick threw his window. But, he took it in stride.

[Seeker]

I agree the HC must live in Massillon. Of the last three HC only Shepas lived in Massillon and he got a brick threw his window. But, he took it in stride.

I believe it should be "he had a brick thrown through his window."

Carry on.

[Red50Go]

I agree the HC must live in Massillon. Of the last three HC only Shepas lived in Massillon and he got a brick threw his window. But, he took it in stride.

Just one? Think if he lived in Perry or Canton. :help2:

Btw, did they ever catch anyone? I always (conveniently) assumed it was Perry myself because it was during the Scott fiasco. Not to mention we were going undefeated at the time.

[massillon catholic]

I believe it should be "he had a brick thrown through his window."

Carry on.

I attended the same school monte did and they didnt teach me nothin.

[massillon catholic]

Just one? Think if he lived in Perry or Canton. :help2:

Btw, did they ever catch anyone? I always (conveniently) assumed it was Perry myself because it was during the Scott fiasco. Not to mention we were going undefeated at the time.

Ex-asst coach's wife. Wont mention the name, its over.

[Banks]

Just one? Think if he lived in Perry or Canton. :help2:

Btw, did they ever catch anyone? I always (conveniently) assumed it was Perry myself because it was during the Scott fiasco. Not to mention we were going undefeated at the time.

It was a ex - coaches wife !

[Kamd50]

With all due respect, do you guys REALLY think that this kind of talk is going to encourage coaches to apply or help them in convincing their wives and families that they should move into Massillon?:rock:

[CarlE]

With all due respect, do you guys REALLY think that this kind of talk is going to encourage coaches to apply or help them in convincing their wives and families that they should move into Massillon?:rock:

Like it's a SECRET?? Come now.

[massillon catholic]

With all due respect, do you guys REALLY think that this kind of talk is going to encourage coaches to apply or help them in convincing their wives and families that they should move into Massillon?:rock:

If they are reading a website to determine whether to apply or not, I dont really think we want them. The new coach must have thick skin, not be scared away by anonymous posters on a website.

[Smitty]

.... The new coach must have thick skin, not be scared away by anonymous posters on a website.

The stories of the Massillon coach's front lawn being filled with "FOR SALE" signs after a loss have been legend for years.


Yet there are coaches that apply for this job.:no1:

[man2man]

Here's a fact - it's January 4th and Stacy is still the coach.

If his leaving is such a done deal, why hasn't it been announced so both sides can move forward?

[giant lugey]

I think both Stacy and the BOE are doing the Massillon community a disservice by dragging their feet.

[Tiger54]

I think both Stacy and the BOE are doing the Massillon community a disservice by dragging their feet.
Well, until and unless Stacy submits a letter of resignation, what can the BOE do? Nothing.

[Kamd50]

Like it's a SECRET?? Come now.

Let's just assume that other coaches from other areas, cities, may apply. And let's assume that read this website and see where bricks are thrown through a coach's window. Not exactly the kind of thing that would encourage someone to live in our town. Especially if we assume that the guy would have his family's interest at heart. To which, we certainly wouldn't want the kind of person that didn't give a damn about his family's welfare, would we?

And yes, in my wildest dreams, I can actually imagine someone from out of town not knowing every bit of unfortunate bad publicity that Massillon has experienced over the years.

[massillon catholic]

Here's a fact - it's January 4th and Stacy is still the coach.



Here's a fact- He'll be gone!

[CarlE]

And yes, in my wildest dreams, I can actually imagine someone from out of town not knowing every bit of unfortunate bad publicity that Massillon has experienced over the years.



Then YOU my dear are quite naieve'. Massillon's antics towards their coaches is well known at least state-wide and somewhat nationally. In fact, if you read yappi, where the majority of posters are from southern Ohio we get villified for our fans and the antics of such fans. And if I was applying for a job here, I would PROBABLY do a little better research than an "unofficial" web-site with people that post hiding behind screen names. Then I would KNOW what happens here. You know, like former coaches, administrators, etc. Just my opinion.

[massillon catholic]

Let's just assume that other coaches from other areas, cities, may apply. And let's assume that read this website and see where bricks are thrown through a coach's window. Not exactly the kind of thing that would encourage someone to live in our town. Especially if we assume that the guy would have his family's interest at heart. To which, we certainly wouldn't want the kind of person that didn't give a damn about his family's welfare, would we?

And yes, in my wildest dreams, I can actually imagine someone from out of town not knowing every bit of unfortunate bad publicity that Massillon has experienced over the years.


I'd much rather have a coach know what to expect than some sap like we have now that cant take the heat.

[Kamd50]

Then YOU my dear are quite naieve'. Massillon's antics towards their coaches is well known at least state-wide and somewhat nationally. In fact, if you read yappi, where the majority of posters are from southern Ohio we get villified for our fans and the antics of such fans. And if I was applying for a job here, I would PROBABLY do a little better research than an "unofficial" web-site with people that post hiding behind screen names. Then I would KNOW what happens here. You know, like former coaches, administrators, etc. Just my opinion.

No, Carle, I am not "naieve' " or naive, lol! While what you say may be so, it doesn't mean that everyone everywhere is aware of all of the unpleasant incidents that have occured. And posting them really serves no positive purpose as far as attracting or encouraging future residency, imo.

If you were a businessman who was trying to make a sale, would you deliberately point out all of the negatives about the product or sale? Same thing. I also think that it is unfair to characterize this one time situation as antics by Massillon fans; especially if it was a coach's wife as others have claimed. Just my opinion.

[massillon catholic]

If you were a businessman who was trying to make a sale, would you deliberately point out all of the negatives about the product or sale? .

To be honest, I would buy from a salesman who pointed out potential defects or negatives just because he was honest and I knew that I could trust that person. I'd much rather have that than someone hiding something from me and only to find out later that he knew about it and intentionally withheld the info.

[Kamd50]

That might be so IF the "defects" were something that existed in the present. As of this time, I do not believe that Coach Stacy or his family has experienced any of these negatives, ie. brick throwing, signs, etc. I am merely trying to point out that one bad past incident can end up being highly exaggerated and overreacted to and can only serve to shed a bad light. Surely you can understand that, can't you?

[CarlE]

That might be so IF the "defects" were something that existed in the present. As of this time, I do not believe that Coach Stacy or his family has experienced any of these negatives, ie. brick throwing, signs, etc. I am merely trying to point out that one bad past incident can end up being highly exaggerated and overreacted to and can only serve to shed a bad light. Surely you can understand that, can't you?


What do you think he meant then by the statement a few weeks ago about this job, and situation being hard on his family? I would say it was more than one bad incident.

[Tiger77]

What do you think he meant then by the statement a few weeks ago about this job, and situation being hard on his family? I would say it was more than one bad incident.

Actually, Coach Stacy did explain that comment on a local radio program and at a Booster Club meeting. He never said anything happened to his family. He meant that his wife was having a hard time cause she was worrying about him. It was apparently misinterpreted by the reporter (imagine that) and has been bandied about all over this website. He reiterated that Massillon fans have been nothing but kind to him and his family during his tenure here. There have been no incidents. Heard it with my own ears as I actually live in Massillon and attend many Tiger functions.

[CarlE]

Actually, Coach Stacy did explain that comment on a local radio program and at a Booster Club meeting. He never said anything happened to his family. He meant that his wife was having a hard time cause she was worrying about him. It was apparently misinterpreted by the reporter (imagine that) and has been bandied about all over this website. He reiterated that Massillon fans have been nothing but kind to him and his family during his tenure here. There have been no incidents. Heard it with my own ears as I actually live in Massillon and attend many Tiger functions.

I stand corrected.

[Kamd50]

What do you think he meant then by the statement a few weeks ago about this job, and situation being hard on his family? I would say it was more than one bad incident.

My husband recently spoke personally with Coach Stacy about that statement that was made public in the newspaper and said that what he said was completely taken out of context and misinterpreted/rephrased and did not say or mean that.

[CarlE]

My husband recently spoke personally with Coach Stacy about that statement that was made public in the newspaper and said that what he said was completely taken out of context and misinterpreted/rephrased and did not say or mean that.

See my post above.

[massillon catholic]

Sure! He is saying that now, because he cant find a job elsewhere and needs the Massillon job.

[Kamd50]

See my post above.

Duley noted. Must have been typing before that was posted.

MC, that is not why he is saying that. Give Stacy a little more credit as a gentleman for at least having some class, which is something that can't be said for everyone.

[massillon catholic]

Duley noted. Must have been typing before that was posted.

MC, that is not why he is saying that. Give Stacy a little more credit as a gentleman for at least having some class, which is something that can't be said for everyone.

I havent seen anything publicly that says he was misquoted. Only stacy supporters on here are saying it. For the record, I have never questioned Stacy as a person or a gentleman. Only that he did a terrible job of coaching this year.

[Kamd50]

Actually, Coach Stacy did explain that comment on a local radio program and at a Booster Club meeting. He never said anything happened to his family. He meant that his wife was having a hard time cause she was worrying about him. It was apparently misinterpreted by the reporter (imagine that) and has been bandied about all over this website. He reiterated that Massillon fans have been nothing but kind to him and his family during his tenure here. There have been no incidents. Heard it with my own ears as I actually live in Massillon and attend many Tiger functions.

I would say that this qualifies for "publicly" disputing that article. Any other time, most, including you MC, wouldn't find this hard to believe when speaking of the Independent.

It has nothing to do with being a supporter, but rather with common decency and respect for the truth.

[massillon catholic]

I would say that this qualifies for "publicly" disputing that article. Any other time, most, including you MC, wouldn't find this hard to believe when speaking of the Independent.

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I dont pick up the "local" radio station where I live and the hapless Independent does cover the booster club meetings. My only point is, I'd like to see it in print, where I saw it before. If the inde is mis-quoting him then he should quit talking to them. Im sure TP would love to have exclusive's of stacy.

[Kamd50]

wow, at least I can respect the fact that Carle has enough class to post and admit if and when, that he stands corrected.

[massillon catholic]

wow, at least I can respect the fact that Carle has enough class to post and admit if and when, that he stands corrected.

I dont think he really meant it.

[giant lugey]

We have a coach that has taken us to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years.
We have been to the state title game under this coach
We have beaten McKinley 3 out of 4 times.
We have a state of the art indoor facility being built
We have alot talent returning
We have a coach who is respected in the Stark County football community
We have a coach who hasn’t brought the OHSAA into our house to investigate us

I am not saying Stacy is the best coach around, but we sure have had worse.
Why can’t we all just get along?

[CarlE]

We have a coach who took us to the playoffs with Rick Shepas' team and finished 6-4 with loaded teams.
See previous comment.
McKinley sucks and it took overtime this year to beat a PUTRID 3-7 Bulldog team.
We have a coach who has nothing to do with the facility being built.
We had a lot of talent this year. Didn't seem to matter.
By who? The Fed? Then AH's plan has worked to perfection. Along with the Fed's new trash guy.
Stay tuned. In a short while you'll wish to God it WAS the OHSAA coming into our house to investigate us.

I'm getting along. And I have NOTHING against the coach. I just couldn't let that post go uncontested. Sorry.

[massillon catholic]

We have a coach who took us to the playoffs with Rick Shepas' team and finished 6-4 with loaded teams.
See previous comment.
McKinley sucks and it took overtime this year to beat a PUTRID 3-7 Bulldog team.
We have a coach who has nothing to do with the facility being built.
We had a lot of talent this year. Didn't seem to matter.
By who? The Fed? Then AH's plan has worked to perfection. Along with the Fed's new trash guy.
Stay tuned. In a short while you'll wish to God it WAS the OHSAA coming into our house to investigate us.

I'm getting along. And I have NOTHING against the coach. I just couldn't let that post go uncontested. Sorry.

Couldnt agree more, Carl. Stacy has done absolutely NOTHING with the talent he has had. I'm tired of hearing that he went to the championship game. Listen to ESPN and you'll hear daily that the Cowboys are winning with Parcells team. The true test of how good a coach Phillips is will be in 2-3 years. Same thing with Stacy. Won with Shepas team that the majority had been playing since sophomore's. Couldnt do a damn thing his teams. The guy cant coach, PERIOD. Nice guy's dont win CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

[giant lugey]

Shepas had alot of talent as well, and what did he win. He took this program to a new low, and we gave him 7 years.

[CarlE]

Shepas had alot of talent as well, and what did he win. He took this program to a new low, and we gave him 7 years.

At least he WANTED seven years if that makes any sense. And I would offer up that he certainly wasn't the ONLY one on that ship taking it to a new low. See: idiotic administration at the time co-piloting the ship.

[Seeker]

Shepas had alot of talent as well, and what did he win. He took this program to a new low, and we gave him 7 years.

OK, now somebody bring up Moronto, and throw in a Currence comment.

Don't disappoint us.

:pimp:

[CarlE]

OK, now somebody bring up Moronto, and throw in a Currence comment.

Don't disappoint us.

:pimp:

Don't worry. I'm SURE it's on the way, Seeker!!:pimp:

[giant lugey]

He'll have a long way to go to catch Shepas

“I don’t joke about football”
“Our fans should throw stones at opponent busses”
“Our kids need to watch more NFL games”
The OHSAA investigation, lawsuit & probation
Criminal charges against players out of state football camps
Lawsuit for the head shaving incident
Three 4-6 records
Lost to Perry in playoffs. A team we beat 35-14 in reg season
No respect from anyone in Stark County or the State.

[SternRulz]

...Nice guy's dont win CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

Tressel Did.

:)

[OTC TIGER]

Hey Giant Lugey...Shep is coaching at the college level and has improved each year he's been there...all the while his successor has regressed every year and will be lucky and fortunate to return to collegiate level..

[Seeker]

For those of you, like me, who like statistics and other useless facts:

This thread now holds the all-time record since the crash a couple of years ago.

Over 9600 views since December 11.
Average - so far - 384 views per day.

It is also now 5th in total number of posts in any thread since the crash.

Why do I bring this up?

I dunno, I just think it says something about we Massillon fans.

The thread is titled "Coach Stacy Facts".
With 364 posts, one would think that there were no more facts left to disclose.

Oh well, carry on.

:pimp:

[proud to be]

Couldnt agree more, Carl. Stacy has done absolutely NOTHING with the talent he has had. I'm tired of hearing that he went to the championship game. Listen to ESPN and you'll hear daily that the Cowboys are winning with Parcells team. The true test of how good a coach Phillips is will be in 2-3 years. Same thing with Stacy. Won with Shepas team that the majority had been playing since sophomore's. Couldnt do a damn thing his teams. The guy cant coach, PERIOD. Nice guy's dont win CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!


I don't disagree with you but this comment is pure stupidity. Ok let me get this straight.....
Phillips is winning with Parcells team and Romo and Owens are twice as effective than when Parcells was there. Parcells himself said that on ESPN, and even gave the credit to Phillips for the increased production, stating that Phillips was able to reach Owens where he was not. Go ahead and continue to spew your "PRO SHEEPASS" garbage, but at least use an arguement that makes freaking sense!!!

I agree that Stacy could have (should have) done more with the talent that he had, but your continued SHEEPASS promotion is irrelevant. The fact is Stacy went to the State Title game, and the fact is he has underachieved since. His future should stand on those 2 facts.

Rick is gone, and he IS NOT RELEVANT IN ANY WAY HERE ANYMORE....... no matter how much you want him to be....... get over it already!!!

[SuperBran]

Hey Giant Lugey...Shep is coaching at the college level and has improved each year he's been there...all the while his successor has regressed every year and will be lucky and fortunate to return to collegiate level..

apples to oranges.

shepas regressed at the end of his years here, yet was lucky and fortunate to find a college job after two back to back losing seasons.

[giant lugey]

OK..Shep has improved at DIV 3 Waynesburg College. BTW. His first season there was 4-6 just like his first season here was 4-6. He had some success after that there, just like he had some success after that here. He finished here with two 4-6 records. We'll see how he finishes there.
He's been there 3 years...has he made the playoffs?

[Benchboss1]

apples to oranges.

shepas regressed at the end of his years here, yet was lucky and fortunate to find a college job after two back to back losing seasons.


What does it say then that Stacy has been unable to find a collegiate job when Shep did it even after finishing 4-6 for two years?

[CarlE]

What does it say then that Stacy has been unable to find a collegiate job when Shep did it even after finishing 4-6 for two years?

Bad timing? Seriously, the comparisons REALLY get old after awhile. The fact is, the general consensus is that neither one satisfied the general population of fans in Massillon. I suspect there were underlying reasons and we CERTAINLY know there was an administration that did everything they could to undermine Shepas' regime. There are people I'm sure that have done the same here. I find the irony that the only comparisons ever done are on Coach Shepas and Coach Stacy. I'm going to start a new thread; "Coach Seaman Facts" and see how long it takes for the Earle Bruce comparisons to begin!!! Ha Ha. What a way to end a Friday.

[OTC TIGER]

apples to oranges.

shepas regressed at the end of his years here, yet was lucky and fortunate to find a college job after two back to back losing seasons.


apples to oranges is correct...Rick had no support from the administration and
very little talent at the end of years here....Tom had vocal support from the
admin / Super and more than ample talent in his 3 years

Funny how 2 losing seasons and Rick lands a college job having never coached at that level prior...his successor came from the college ranks and
produced 3 winning seasons at Massillon and he's hoping to get back to that level...

[Dingma608]

For those of you, like me, who like statistics and other useless facts:

This thread now holds the all-time record since the crash a couple of years ago.

Over 9600 views since December 11.
Average - so far - 384 views per day.

It is also now 5th in total number of posts in any thread since the crash.

Why do I bring this up?

I dunno, I just think it says something about we Massillon fans.

The thread is titled "Coach Stacy Facts".
With 364 posts, one would think that there were no more facts left to disclose.

Oh well, carry on.

:pimp:
What do you think it says about Massillon Fans?

[BigTime]

If you squint at the main forum page and hum the thread title looks like Coach Stacy Farts...maybe folks are curious as to wether the thread stinks or not.

[proud to be]

If you squint at the main forum page and hum the thread title looks like Coach Stacy Farts...maybe folks are curious as to wether the thread stinks or not.

OK, OK...... I admit it........... I actually did this.... (I'm so ashamed)

Funny stuff, but my question is.......... How did you find that out???


LOL

[Kamd50]

If you squint at the main forum page and hum the thread title looks like Coach Stacy Farts...maybe folks are curious as to wether the thread stinks or not.

LOL, witty one there, Big Time!

[Seeker]

If you squint at the main forum page and hum the thread title looks like Coach Stacy Farts...maybe folks are curious as to wether the thread stinks or not.

Funny you should say that.

I noticed it also, and in fact I changed it to "Farts" a couple of weeks ago.

One of the other mods must not have thought it was funny, because it got changed back to "Facts".

[BigTime]

OK, OK...... I admit it........... I actually did this.... (I'm so ashamed)

Funny stuff, but my question is.......... How did you find that out???


LOL

I have a stigmatism that I can never seem to get fully corrected and that’s what it looked like to me at first, that plus knowing that all TTT treads seemingly turn pungent I thought the connection logical.

[SuperBran]

apples to oranges is correct...Rick had no support from the administration and
very little talent at the end of years here....Tom had vocal support from the
admin / Super and more than ample talent in his 3 years

so shepas is the only coach who's ever experienced less than ideal talent? since 1910 we've had seven losing seasons. guess who has three of those?

i guess we had very little talent when we lost to perry in the first round. same goes for marion harding. please.

btw - the apples to oranges comment was directed at comparing high school coaching success with college coaching success.

Funny how 2 losing seasons and Rick lands a college job having never coached at that level prior...his successor came from the college ranks and
produced 3 winning seasons at Massillon and he's hoping to get back to that level...

i'm sure that (1) agressive job searching and (2) GREAT timing led to shepas' college gig. if not that, then they pulled names out of a hat.

what's truly odd is how a guy who produced losing seasons nearly half the time he was here and failed to beat ANY favored opponent could secure a college head coaching position. stacy proved he could win the big game. shepas proved he couldn't.

i agree with carl - neither were/are the answer for our program.

[SuperBran]

What does it say then that Stacy has been unable to find a collegiate job when Shep did it even after finishing 4-6 for two years?

see above.

carl hit it on the head.............good timing. shepas really wanted out and there happened to be a job available.


actually, i think that the school wanted to put the quick kick into their playbook and figured it would be best to hire the master.

[proud to be]

Originally posted by Superbran
actually, i think that the school wanted to put the quick kick into their playbook and figured it would be best to hire the master.


Superbran...... I know we've had our differences, BUT

That is FUNNY!!!!!

Gotta give credit where credit is due!!

[Red50Go]

No one here is going to change anyones opinion.

Hey combine the 2 then you'd have a great coach. Stacy is/was better to work with and more polished but he should have kept ALOT of what Shep put in. Shep will have the better career when its all said and done imho.

Carle had a good idea. How bout Currence vs Owens, Rose vs Maronto, Shep vs. Ditka, etc. We could do this all day.

[Marie]

Funny you should say that.

I noticed it also, and in fact I changed it to "Farts" a couple of weeks ago.

One of the other mods must not have thought it was funny, because it got changed back to "Facts".

I saw that and then the next time I looked it was changed back to facts. Thanks for letting me know I wasn't seeing things not there.

[CATS44]

I see a lot of opinions, but few facts...lol.

Here is a fact that has possible ramifications in Massillon...

The AFCA convention starts in two days.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=SuperBran;91091]

i guess we had very little talent when we lost to perry in the first round. same goes for marion harding. please.
QUOTE]

You obviously were sleeping during the Marion harding playoff game..
Talent had nothing to do with that loss

[mmauthor]

I think it was the efforts of Al Hennon that led to Shepas getting the job at Waynesburg.

[WreckerMan]

:weightlift: Absolutely not, Al Hennon claimed to have called Waynesburg, but he did not. He had no influence with that college either positive or negative. This is a fact.

[Seeker]

What do you think it says about Massillon Fans?

I confess that I don't have an answer for this question.
I just know it has to indicate something.

Obviously, we are obsessed...

[SuperBran]

[QUOTE]

You obviously were sleeping during the Marion harding playoff game..
Talent had nothing to do with that loss

and you obviously don't appreciate the fact that we were beaten by marion friggin harding. and people say the losses to solon and whitmer were bad.

talent had nothing to do with that game, unfortunately, b/c if it did we'd have won that game big. based on the talent we had, that game shouldn't have been close.

[SuperBran]

Hey combine the 2 then you'd have a great coach.

i definitely will agree with that.

Shep will have the better career when its all said and done imho.

i think shepas will do much better as a college coach than he ever could as a hs coach. he seems to have found his calling.

Shep vs. Ditka, etc.

is that mini ditka or full sized ditka?

[Seeker]

Side Notes:

This is now our first thread to break 10,000 views.
Its averaging 402 views per day.

It seems to have a life of its own.

It is also now number 4 in total number of posts.

:grinning:

[Al.]

[QUOTE]
You obviously were sleeping during the Marion harding playoff game..
Talent had nothing to do with that loss

MC will certainly confirm that :jestera:

[DAWGH8R]

Hopefully , someone gave him a NEW JOB for his birthday !!:jestera:

[CATS44]

In re the first Marion Harding game:

The game wouldnt have been close if it wasnt for eleven holding calls...ELEVEN. But dont let the facts get in the way...lol.

And take note that just about the only person that kept himself (and the team) in control after that fiasco was Rick Shepas. You can compare that to the actions of our team after the Whitmer loss.

[chap]

In re the first Marion Harding game:

The game wouldnt have been close if it wasnt for eleven holding calls...ELEVEN. But dont let the facts get in the way...lol.

And take note that just about the only person that kept himself (and the team) in control after that fiasco was Rick Shepas. You can compare that to the actions of our team after the Whitmer loss.
I remember both games quite well! Also what happened when the games ended quite well!

[SuperBran]

The game wouldnt have been close if it wasnt for eleven holding calls...ELEVEN. But dont let the facts get in the way...lol.


two of those holding penalties were called on the tigers during a drive that resulted in a massillon TOUCHDOWN. one holding penalty was on a kickoff return near the end of the game which had no bearing on the outcome of the game......it was the penalty on zwick's run later on that drive that did it. so don't act like every one of those holding penalties killed us.

massillon simply didn't take advantage of some opportunities, which shepas himself acknowledged.

but you can ignore those facts if you want.

And take note that just about the only person that kept himself (and the team) in control after that fiasco was Rick Shepas. You can compare that to the actions of our team after the Whitmer loss.

if only he had that control during preseason camps.

[CarlE]

two of those holding penalties were called on the tigers during a drive that resulted in a massillon TOUCHDOWN. one holding penalty was on a kickoff return near the end of the game which had no bearing on the outcome of the game......it was the penalty on zwick's run later on that drive that did it. so don't act like every one of those holding penalties killed us.

massillon simply didn't take advantage of some opportunities, which shepas himself acknowledged.

but you can ignore those facts if you want.



if only he had that control during preseason camps.

At least he had control during the games. At least he had control when his players were supposed to show up for workouts. PLEASE don't try to compare this past season's fiasco to anything CLOSE to Rick's era. It doesn't hold water, Superbran. Not even close, buddy.

[SECTION13PBTS]

Massillon Catholic Had A Pretty Good Looking Holding Called On Him After The Marion Harding Game!!!!!!!!!!

[mmauthor]

Is Massillon Catholic the banned fan?

[DAWGH8R]

We have no banned fans !

[SuperBran]

At least he had control during the games. At least he had control when his players were supposed to show up for workouts. PLEASE don't try to compare this past season's fiasco to anything CLOSE to Rick's era. It doesn't hold water, Superbran. Not even close, buddy.

i'm definitely not comparing this season's attitude with any other season's. i agree that there was a lack of control and discipline. i just get tired of shepas supporters ripping on stacy when shepas was far from perfect. the sad thing is that if we made the finals this past year, no one would be talking about the lack of discipline.

again, neither shepas nor stacy were the answer for our program. i just find it ridiculous that each have had different standards applied.

[Red50Go]

I just find it ridiculous that each have had different standards applied.

Maybe in your mind. ALOT of people would still take Stacy over Shep. It goes both ways. Why do you get so hung up this? Regardless of the past, either you think Stacy does a good job or not. Heck some guys aren't even over Currence yet.

[SuperBran]

Maybe in your mind. ALOT of people would still take Stacy over Shep. It goes both ways. Why do you get so hung up this? Regardless of the past, either you think Stacy does a good job or not. Heck some guys aren't even over Currence yet.

i'm hung up on this b/c it relates to our future coach. everyone has expressed a desire to have a long-term coach. i'm just trying to guage what standard is going to be applied, b/c that will directly impact the chances of having someone her long term.