Coach Stacy Facts

[Purple Hayes]

WHAT??? I cannot say Coach Stacy knows nothing about football but he is definitely soft in the discpline of our football team.

Monte81 - Just curious...In your opinion, who was the last Coach at Massillon to have discipline? Maronto?

I do agree with the majority of posts on here that the buck stops with the HC. However, how many people truly know what went on vs. how much is speculation? Should the coach be given a chance to learn from his mistakes (Thom McD sure made alot of them but eventually brought home a title). It'll be interesting to see what happens. From an outsider's perspective, I still think he has done a pretty good job in the 3 years he's been at Massillon.

I have to give credit to the coaches...they don't need the crap they endure and it'll be real hard to get the kind of guy you are looking for if coaches are continually being run off. Look no further than Brian Cross.

[monte81]

Monte81 - Just curious...In your opinion, who was the last Coach at Massillon to have discipline? Maronto?

I do agree with the majority of posts on here that the buck stops with the HC. However, how many people truly know what went on vs. how much is speculation? Should the coach be given a chance to learn from his mistakes (Thom McD sure made alot of them but eventually brought home a title). It'll be interesting to see what happens. From an outsider's perspective, I still think he has done a pretty good job in the 3 years he's been at Massillon.

I have to give credit to the coaches...they don't need the crap they endure and it'll be real hard to get the kind of guy you are looking for if coaches are continually being run off. Look no further than Brian Cross.

Maronto was a hard butt coach to play for--ALWAYS!! HE ran off alot of talent because of the hard conditioning and non exceptance of BS by any players! Owens was fair and was not afraid to suspend or kick a player off for team vilolations, dont know about Rose---I was playing Army then, Shepis was OK but fans and ADMIN hated him, and Stacy didn't clean up nothing from what he said would happen--instead the opposite happened!

The 2007 season should and could of been fixed with some swift and accurate discipline of players regardless of star status---everyone else falls in line. Regardless of what players, fans, boosters, etc,... behind the scenes or locker room say---ITS COACH STACY'S TEAM to keep together--his responsibility and noone elses!!! The transfers and everyone else should of been brought in and talked on day 1 to ensure everyone knew who was the boss! If you leave speculation as to who is running the show people will take advantage of the situation.
Hell--- Stacy could bring me in and I would handle all discipline, missed workouts, school, and practice, and all the college paperwork and NCAA clearinghouse stuff. I bet I could clean up the mess because most of the kids know me in some aspect and know what type of person I would be on the staff! I love them kids, motivate them, and tell them how it is---straight how it should be!! That would leave him to work on X's and O's while I played the goodguy/badguy!! I would have those kids playing like real hard nosed maniacs on the field and keep the discipline on line!

BTW---Cross aint being run off at McKinley, he wants to be in Columbus and the financial situation and dollars is a big part of his decision not football politics.

[Drbord]

Have you applied for a job Monte?

[Tiger54]

what are we doing to stacy?
what did we do to shepas?
what did we do to rose?
what did we do to maronto?
what did we do to currence?

accuse massillon of running coaches out.......or acknowledge that massillon runs coaches out?



so who would youre vote go to?
Well, the question is, what would have happened to the Tiger program if most of those coaches had stayed in Massillon? Would the program have gotten better or would it have continued to decline? I thought the kids were supposed to be the main focus of the decisions here. I notice that you did not include Owens on your list.

[SuperBran]

Well, the question is, what would have happened to the Tiger program if most of those coaches had stayed in Massillon? Would the program have gotten better or would it have continued to decline? I thought the kids were supposed to be the main focus of the decisions here. I notice that you did not include Owens on your list.

you said:

SOME people on here want to accuse the Massillon fans of continually running the coaches out of town

i provide evidence to show that it's not just accusations, but rather the truth. five out of the past six coaches, to be precise.

what would have happened if they had stayed? that's a good question that we'll never know. the point, however, is that they were run out of town.

of course i didn't include owens in my list. he was lucky enough to not be run out of town. if he would have stayed longer people would have found something to complain about. again, that doesn't detract from the fact that running coaches out of town is and has been an issue here. people aren't accusing the city so much as point out a fact.

[monte81]

Have you applied for a job Monte?

I am not a teacher so I am waiting for an administrative position to open up within the city. I have to find employment in Massillon before I can come home. I hate it in C-bus but I am working for a great company. I would love to move home and help out our program!!!! Whenever a job opens anywhere in Management I am taking it!
Money and pay is really not an issue right now but being home and happy is however. Saying that I am not working for free

[LLRose]

I am not a teacher so I am waiting for an administrative position to open up within the city. I have to find employment in Massillon before I can come home. I hate it in C-bus but I am working for a great company. I would love to move home and help out our program!!!! Whenever a job opens anywhere in Management I am taking it!
Money and pay is really not an issue right now but being home and happy is however. Saying that I am not working for free

How is your situation different than Tom's?

You have personal and professional aspirations that may find you leaving your current employer?

PS, from your previous posts on other topics, I think you'd be a wonderful addition to the school system. I just don't understand the standards you're using for measuring Tom's commitment.

[monte81]

How is your situation different than Tom's?

You have personal and professional aspirations that may find you leaving your current employer?

PS, from your previous posts on other topics, I think you'd be a wonderful addition to the school system. I just don't understand the standards you're using for measuring Tom's commitment.

I aint measuring Coach Stacy's commitment to the program. I have no problem with him leaving for bigger things at the next level. Fine with me--just dont leave our program messed up because you want out! If thats the case we should just let it go---NOW and search for our new coach!

My employer promotes shooting for the stars and would appauld me moving on to pursue other dreams. See, I have done it all--traveled around the world, served my country and RETIRED ALREADY, played ball in HS, college, and semi pro in Europe, etc,... my job now is to help people achieve happiness. Coaches I had helped me with my dreams and my ultimate dream is to give back and help others. If I had a position on the staff it is possible my boss would transfer me to Canton, Akron, etc,... so I could help Veterans and coach football. I do it now in Columbus but would rather be with the tigers. My boss knew when he hired me a few years ago that I was not going to be with the organization for life and I was a young ambitious dude with a plan!

However--I said I respect Coach Stacy for his honost interview back in 2005 and hope he gets everything he wishes out of his coaching career-----but Massillon needs a long term coach!!! If he wants it cool--if not then ok--good luck to him!

Coach Stacy--either way I still love you!!!!

[SuperBran]

Massillon needs a long term coach!!!

i keep hearing people say this, but what could possibly lead people to think that we'll actually find one? the average tenure here is less than 5 years, with the longest being 8! dreams are one thing, but reality is another.

people have said that we need a young, energetic coach who can relate to the players and the players will respect. didn't you actually say "Hard nosed young coaches for todays Massillon youth"??

that's great, but what are the chances of a young, successful coach staying with our program? those are the ones who get college offers that are usually too good to pass up. it seems to me that the only way we're going to get a long term coach is if we find someone who has no dreams of moving up, which is going to most likely be someone who's a little older. even then, with our recent history of driving coaches out, it's very likely that the coach would suffer the same fate.

i'd LOVE to have someone here for a long time, but our attitude definitely has to change for that to happen.

[CarlE]

I'm not sure we shouldn't hire a short-term, experienced, successful guy for 2-3 years with the understanding that he is going to mentor a younger coach that he will add to the staff to gain the experience in the long run to take over the program for the long-term. Just a thought. I can sure see the pluses AND minuses doing something like that.

[Purple Hayes]

I'm not sure we shouldn't hire a short-term, experienced, successful guy for 2-3 years with the understanding that he is going to mentor a younger coach that he will add to the staff to gain the experience in the long run to take over the program for the long-term. Just a thought. I can sure see the pluses AND minuses doing something like that.


CarlE -

Jackson tried to do that when they hired McD with Jason Hall as the heir apparent. McD was OK with it but Hall wasn't receptive.

Good concept but as you stated, there are some drawbacks.

[tig62]

IMHO, whoever is the next coach better to be able to deal with demographics that may not exist in his prior experiences. :suspect:

[Seeker]

We have had to delete and edit some posts on this thread.

PLease remember that we are not allowing discussion about possible replacements for our head coach.

Stacy is our coach today.

http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779

[massillon catholic]

Stacy is our coach today.

http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779


Key word. "today"

[SuperBran]

Key word. "today"

so when is he gone? last time you said he'd be gone in a week.

[Seeker]

Key word. "today"

Exactly.
That's my point.

[CATS44]

It is not written in stone that good young coaches will move on to college jobs. In fact, many of the best HS coaches want to stay at this level, choose a community, and keep their families settled. It is the attitude of some of the folks in this town, the ones who still live in the past and refuse to see the present and the future, that make this still a stepping stone job.

Reno was a good young coach who stayed in one place. So have Reed and Niswonger and Durbin. They have all stayed at the HS level, and the list goes on and on. McD, Currence, Cross, Whitting, Lutz, Glass...all could have coached in college, but all chose to stay at the HS level.

[CarlE]

CarlE -

Jackson tried to do that when they hired McD with Jason Hall as the heir apparent. McD was OK with it but Hall wasn't receptive.

Good concept but as you stated, there are some drawbacks.

I didn't know that. The important thing is that BOTH parties have to buy into the concept and both have to be in communication with the powers-that-be of their feelings and intentions. Drawbacks? For sure. Doable? Sure, with the right people in the right situation.

[massillon catholic]

I didn't know that. The important thing is that BOTH parties have to buy into the concept and both have to be in communication with the powers-that-be of their feelings and intentions. Drawbacks? For sure. Doable? Sure, with the right people in the right situation.

PH is correct Jackson did try that with Jason Hall and he told them to forget it. Hall is one of the best young coaches in Ohio.

[crackerman]

MC, You are correct about Hall a great young head coach. Yet another from the Larry Kehres Coaching tree from Mount Union. Hall was roommates with BJ Payne at Mount.

[massillon catholic]

MC, You are correct about Hall a great young head coach. Yet another from the Larry Kehres Coaching tree from Mount Union. Hall was roommates with BJ Payne at Mount.


I heard Payne had a lot of roomates. LOL

[CarlE]

I heard Payne had a lot of roomates. LOL

I'll bet. I mean, what do we REALLY know about this Payne character anyway??? LOL.

[giant lugey]

I am tired of all this cloak and dagger crap going on with the school board and Stacy. One thing for sure is that if Stacy wants to stay, and if the school board wants him to stay, then it would be a done deal. It is obvious that one side doesn't want the other. So the question is does Stacy want out or does the school board want out, or do they both want out.
One this is for sure, at least one side wants out.

[OTC TIGER]

So the question is does Stacy want out or does the school board want out, or do they both want out.


That's an easy question...

[TigerCoach]

MC, You are correct about Hall a great young head coach. Yet another from the Larry Kehres Coaching tree from Mount Union. Hall was roommates with BJ Payne at Mount.

I heard that the Domino's Pizza record for most deliveries in 1 year was recorded at this address.

[CarlE]

I heard that the Domino's Pizza record for most deliveries in 1 year was recorded at this address.

There is no doubt that it probably IS the record, TC. Too funny.

[monte81]

I'll bet. I mean, what do we REALLY know about this Payne character anyway??? LOL.


I know that BJ payne is great young motivator and coach!!! However, his eating habits are much to be desired and could use maybe the Jenny Craig plan because he is way to out of shape to use our famous "Stu crew Workouts" these days!!!LOL

One the real deal---BJ build Lex from pretenders to winners in 2 years!!

[giant lugey]

BJ is a Mount Union product as well as some of his assistants.
We all know that Mount knows how to win.
However, the difference between Lexington and Massillon are like night and day. Lexington is like a smaller version of Jackson.
You don't have the domestic issues and other off the field issues like you do at city schools like Massllon or Mckinley.

[Drbord]

Are you kidding me? Several of you posters make it sound like Masillon is some kind of ghetto school with no hope for these kids. Yes there have been changes to the make-up of kids in Massillon but that is due more to people moving to Jackson and Perry than to a loss in the moral character of the kids in Massillon. There is not a public school district in the US that doesn't have a bad side to it. Even your white bread suburban schools have drugs, violence, single parents and every other type of modern issue that plagues all of society. Look at real "city schools" like Chicago and LA. There is no comparison. The drop out rate at those schools is 75% or more. Now those are "city schools" Quit making excuses for our kids and quit degrading them. You may look down your noses at them (and you do) but they are the type of kids that I grew up with and they are fine by me. If you want them to do battle for you, you need to respect them. Maybe some of you need to look up the definition of "support". I'm not picking on you Giant Lugey, you just set me off. There are several other posters that have the same negative attitude about Massillon kids as you do. Wise up!

[giant lugey]

No one is degrading Massillon kids. Hell, I was born and raised in Massillon and graduated from Massillon. But if you think some of the domestic issues that kids face in our school district or Mckinley’s school district are the same as in Jackson or Hoover or Perry, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Why do you think the suburban schools are growing and we are moving toward DIV II.
It is not just me stating it. Cross stated it, Stacy stated it, Shepas stated it.
It is a fact, and as long as guys like you continue to ignore it, and pretend they don’t exists, then the problems can’t be dealt with.
As far as support or respect goes, I have been a season ticket holder for over 30 years and have rarely missed a game, home or away. So don’t challenge my Fan Hood.

[CarlE]

Are you kidding me? Several of you posters make it sound like Masillon is some kind of ghetto school with no hope for these kids. Yes there have been changes to the make-up of kids in Massillon but that is due more to people moving to Jackson and Perry than to a loss in the moral character of the kids in Massillon. There is not a public school district in the US that doesn't have a bad side to it. Even your white bread suburban schools have drugs, violence, single parents and every other type of modern issue that plagues all of society. Look at real "city schools" like Chicago and LA. There is no comparison. The drop out rate at those schools is 75% or more. Now those are "city schools" Quit making excuses for our kids and quit degrading them. You may look down your noses at them (and you do) but they are the type of kids that I grew up with and they are fine by me. If you want them to do battle for you, you need to respect them. Maybe some of you need to look up the definition of "support". I'm not picking on you Giant Lugey, you just set me off. There are several other posters that have the same negative attitude about Massillon kids as you do. Wise up!

This isn't about ALL the kids but if you believe for one minute what you posted above then you have obviously lived under a rock for the last six months. Oh, and get ready. The best, or worst as I see it, is yet to come.

[monte81]

No one is degrading Massillon kids. Hell, I was born and raised in Massillon and graduated from Massillon. But if you think some of the domestic issues that kids face in our school district or Mckinley’s school district are the same as in Jackson or Hoover or Perry, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Why do you think the suburban schools are growing and we are moving toward DIV II.
It is not just me stating it. Cross stated it, Stacy stated it, Shepas stated it.
It is a fact, and as long as guys like you continue to ignore it, and pretend they don’t exists, then the problems can’t be dealt with.
As far as support or respect goes, I have been a season ticket holder for over 30 years and have rarely missed a game, home or away. So don’t challenge my Fan Hood.

This is the reason why you need coaches who can relate to those kids! How many coaches lost a parent in grade school, a parent in prison,single parent homes, living with grandparents, or on their own, parents on drugs, lived in poverty, etc,... 95% of our coaching staff grew up middle class and cannot relate to these kids. Once we understand that we need assts. who can stand up, discipline, and demand respect then we stop the downslide---IMHO. We need to wake up and understand that when half of our starters are African American 95% of the coaching staff is white we have a problem with the racial make-up of the program.

Not all or majority of the players live this way but enough do that we need to HELP them out more than we do. How can you expect a player to respect you, practice 100%, and maintain in school, etc,... and EVERYTHING else they deal with is shity!

I have more influence over these kids than ANY COACH in the program---they call me in C-bus not the coach!

[Red50Go]

Lugey, there is some validity there but comparing Massillon to Canton or some stereotype "city school" is a BS copout. Once we as a community, BOE, & Administration quit making excuses and feeling sorry for ourselves we can start making, or DEMANDING, greater improvements.

Sure we're different from Jackson, probably Hoover, but Perry? How bout Plain? Please, dont sell that I am not buying. The biggest difference is they work harder, smarter, and do a better job period. THAT my friend is the problem "guys like you" pretend dont exist.

Btw, born & raised, class of 83, dad class of 57. I know the town & school pretty good too.

Another great post Monte.

[Drbord]

I crawled out from under my rock and watched the 6A Florida State Football championship game. It was won by Miami Northwestern (ranked #1 in the country). The shcool and the team's make-up is 95% African American and most of the kids qualify for the school lunch program which means they are from low income families. They domimnated the other team 41-0.

How do you explain this "city school" success? I'm sure their domestic issues are no better or worse than those in Massillon. Stop explaining our kids performance because of family backgrounds. Any kid, team or school can excell given the motivation, tools AND Support. If you don't think Massillon kids can acheive and you constantly put it into print on the world wide web you are contributing to their failure. Keep telling a kid they are no good and they believe it.

Massillon kids face the same type of issues that many kids all over the US face and many are successful inspite of that.

Lugey your Fan Hood is in tact. My point is, to all, that you don't help Massillon kids, here on MassillonProud.com at all, by putting that kind of stuff in print. BTW I agree with Monte. Most of the coaches for the above mentioned Florida team were African American.

[LLRose]

This is the reason why you need coaches who can relate to those kids! How many coaches lost a parent in grade school, a parent in prison,single parent homes, living with grandparents, or on their own, parents on drugs, lived in poverty, etc,... 95% of our coaching staff grew up middle class and cannot relate to these kids. Once we understand that we need assts. who can stand up, discipline, and demand respect then we stop the downslide---IMHO. We need to wake up and understand that when half of our starters are African American 95% of the coaching staff is white we have a problem with the racial make-up of the program.

Not all or majority of the players live this way but enough do that we need to HELP them out more than we do. How can you expect a player to respect you, practice 100%, and maintain in school, etc,... and EVERYTHING else they deal with is shity!

I have more influence over these kids than ANY COACH in the program---they call me in C-bus not the coach!

This is a very interesting post. Can you give some generic examples of issues kids turn to you for advice rather than speaking to the coach or his staff?

[massillon catholic]

We need to wake up and understand that when half of our starters are African American 95%

!

Monte: We have been thru this before. Please name one player on the team that was born in Africa? The entire team is comprised of Americans. Now, if you care about these kids as much as you say you do, then make the sacrifice and move up here. Contrary to popular belief there are jobs in Stark County and surrounding counties where you could find work. I believe that you are a college grad, plus a veteran. You would be able to find a job making what you make now and Im sure the cost of living is cheaper than Columbus.

[man2man]

I have more influence over these kids than ANY COACH in the program---they call me in C-bus not the coach!

1) This is pathetic and untrue.

2) IF this ever were to happen, the correct response is to steer these young people to communicate with their coaches and not you "coach" them.

Can't you see is this type of ego-driven drivel that eliminates you from serious consideration for the position you so seem to desire?

[austinsm11]

Somebody has a big head.

[monte81]

Monte: We have been thru this before. Please name one player on the team that was born in Africa? The entire team is comprised of Americans. Now, if you care about these kids as much as you say you do, then make the sacrifice and move up here. Contrary to popular belief there are jobs in Stark County and surrounding counties where you could find work. I believe that you are a college grad, plus a veteran. You would be able to find a job making what you make now and Im sure the cost of living is cheaper than Columbus.


I help these kids more than boosters, coaches, and posters from C-bus! Scarafice what? My kids, family-----Stacy or any other coach in our system wants 'real assts." to help these kids or players like Dorie Irvin, JT,, Pooder, etc,... wouldn't have to talk to me about things the coaches should be doing! I have said repeadedly that I would move home with a job----I have not found that job yet! You hire me and pay me a salary comparable to what I am making now and I would come home 2day! I lived in Stark County from 2000 to 2005 and couldn't find decent work from massillon to Akron. I found this job in a few months here in C-bus and i am eating real good and helping Massillon kids anyway! I am a business man and this is business--- Massillon city has my resume, Timken, malone College, etc,... give me some freaking employment leads dude! My youngest son wants me in Massillon anyway--he is trying to get his mother to let him live with my mother to play for the tigers his freshman year---right now in a year and a half he might be playing for GO or McKinley---YOU KNOW I DONT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN! I have a year to get home!! Jobs in Stark County paying what? $10-$12 an hour!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! Show me!!!
You are white, I am an African American because my ancestors are from Africa---get it! We are not "black" we are "African Americans" because black is not considered a race in America or anywhere in the world!

BTW---our African American players(or balck Americans for you) need someone to relate to and its not Coach Carpenter or anyone else currently on the staff!

Oh---one of the massillon boosters could give me a job starting in Jan/Feb and it would be set for a great return to Tigertown!!

[CarlE]

You are white, I am an African American because my ancestors are from Africa---get it! We are not "black" we are "African Americans" because black is not considered a race in America or anywhere in the world!



Wait a minute. I want to make sure I have this straight. Black is NOT a race, but white IS a race. Hmmm, I am REALLY confused now. So for the sake of argument and assuming that white "ain't no race either" I'm now assuming that I am a German Italian English Scottish Hungarian American? Damn, I am REALLY messed up now.

Monte, the point of this is that what you are trying to say is just silly to me, just like my analogy was to you.

[massillon catholic]

Wait a minute. I want to make sure I have this straight. Black is NOT a race, but white IS a race. Hmmm, I am REALLY confused now. So for the sake of argument and assuming that white "ain't no race either" I'm now assuming that I am a German Italian English Scottish Hungarian American? Damn, I am REALLY messed up now.

.

That must mean a bi-racial person is african-american caucasion.

[Drbord]

You are making something out of nothing. It's a name he wishes to use. Why try to make a major issue out of it. The point I believe he is trying to make is that maybe, just maybe, the kids in Massillon might respond a little better and make better choices if they had a role model they can identify with.

[CarlE]

You are making something out of nothing. It's a name he wishes to use. Why try to make a major issue out of it. The point I believe he is trying to make is that maybe, just maybe, the kids in Massillon might respond a little better and make better choices if they had a role model they can identify with.

I'm NOT making a major issue out of it. Monte is. Um, GoodOlBoys Monte graduated from high school quite a few years ago. Then went to college. Then served our country. I doubt he's the same person he was when he went to school with your brother. By the way, where is your brother these days? Since you're throwing stones perhaps we can compare.

[GoodOlBoys]

I'm NOT making a major issue out of it. Monte is. Um, GoodOlBoys Monte graduated from high school quite a few years ago. Then went to college. Then served our country. I doubt he's the same person he was when he went to school with your brother. By the way, where is your brother these days? Since you're throwing stones perhaps we can compare.

Carl

Point taken...wasn't up to date on all the information.

[massillon catholic]

the kids in Massillon might respond a little better and make better choices if they had a role model they can identify with.

Wouldnt that be their PARENTS???

[Drbord]

Wouldnt that be their PARENTS???

Of course it is their parents but you also need people in the community to help. Sometimes when some body other than their parents reinforces what the parents are saying it finally sinks in.

[monte81]

And just who would that role model be??? Monte???? LOL!!!!!!
My brother went to school with him....not quite role model material from what I heard.


Funny! Who is your brother? What did you or your brother accomplish after HS? Most HS students do dumb things but like they say---Where are they now!!!!!!

All the more reason why these kids respect and love me---I tell them the truth and keep real 100% of the time-- unlike most! I been through everything these kids are trying to do and more. I played HS, some college, served in the military, have a BA, and right now I am a employment counselor for Veterans! 1 retirement and working on another with many, many more things to accomplish in my life. Everyone of my mothers kids have degrees from great intitutions and live productive and GOD loving lives! Anyway what does whatever your brother says qualify as truth? i had maybe 5 friends in HS---all on the team(J. Stafford, J. Relford, Dunwiddie, etc,...) and we have have done pretty good for ourselves!

CarlE and MC--- you would be considered Caucasian and myself an African American. Bi-racial kids are bi-racial meaning of 2 differant races!

[monte81]

Of course it is their parents but you also need people in the community to help. Sometimes when some body other than their parents reinforces what the parents are saying it finally sinks in.

BINGO, You are right! and the best people to teach them is a person who can totally relate to them through life lessons. A middle class or upper class American can say what they would do and handle situations----- but forget that most of these kids have NEVER been taught how to do it and realize the person telling them as never experienced what they are trying to teach.

[massillon catholic]

CarlE and MC--- you would be considered Caucasian and myself an African American. Bi-racial kids are bi-racial meaning of 2 differant races!

This makes absolutely no-sense! Dont carl and I get to be from a country too just like you?

[monte81]

1) This is pathetic and untrue.

2) IF this ever were to happen, the correct response is to steer these young people to communicate with their coaches and not you "coach" them.

Can't you see is this type of ego-driven drivel that eliminates you from serious consideration for the position you so seem to desire?

First, I will continue to help kids in any way I can! I have not coached them at all.

If telling and mentoring them on decisions they make in the classroom, NCAA clearinghouse regulations, off the field decisions, etc,.... I will continue to help them as much i can. Most of you care about wins and losses---I care about them as individuals and helping become solid citizens beyond football. Something that most on here and in the program does not! When you guys wake up we will be a championship program AGAIN!

[monte81]

This makes absolutely no-sense! Dont carl and I get to be from a country too just like you?

if you wish---- be what you want-- It's America baby!

German American
Asian American
White American, etc,.... its cool with me! I get along with most all people anyway regardless of racial makeup!

Goodolboys----Where you at? No comeback?

[massillon catholic]

if you wish---- be what you want-- It's America baby!

German American
Asian American
White American, etc,.... its cool with me! I get along with most all people anyway regardless of racial makeup!

Thanks. I'm singing the Star-Spangled Banner as I type.

[Red50Go]

Kinda hard to follow this but I think we all agree we need a HC & coaches who can relate to players w/ our backgrounds and vice versa. So what are we agruing? That the current staff is doing just fine in that regard? I cant say for sure but from what I saw/read on & off the field the past couple years I gotta wonder, thats all. Something is wrong. I know I know...government, society, the parents, etc etc.

Btw I am white too but PLEASE dont lump me in w/ the Jews and Italians. JOKE! :) All this political correctness, lol. Grandparents were immigrants though.

[massillon catholic]

Btw I am white too but PLEASE dont lump me in w/ the Jews and Italians. JOKE! :) All this political correctness, lol. Grandparents were immigrants though.


Need to check with Monte to find out exactly what you are.

[Kamd50]

Carl

Point taken...wasn't up to date on all the information.

Which is why your original post got deleted. Please refrain from such personal attacks in the future meant for no other reason than to tarnish another poster's reputation.

[massillon catholic]

Which is why your original post got deleted.

Heck, I thought that I was the only poster that you deleted:thumbsup:

[CarlE]

[QUOTE=Kamd50;90415]Which is why your original post got deleted.QUOTE]

Heck, I thought that I was the only poster that you deleted:thumbsup:

Me too!! What's up with THAT??

[Kamd50]

Wouldnt that be their PARENTS???

As Drbord said, obviously that is the preferable situation. But, look, what so many of you guys fail to acknowledge that that simply is not the case in many homes in Massillon, black and white alike.

My daughter teaches at Franklin, without arguement the most economically disadvantaged school area in our district. A lot of these little children come to school innocently speaking of such things like their daddy is in jail or just got out of jail; or referring to their mother's latest live-in boyfriend as daddy until the next one comes along, because in their world that is what is normal to them. It is truely a heart breaking situation that many of these children live with day in and day out. Most of us cannot imagine what is going on right in our own back yard!! Yet they come to school looking to learn and looking for someone to look up to and to take a sincere interest in them and what they are capable of doing like any other young child does.

Unfortunatley, many of them just do not get it at home. When it comes time for them to join organized sports, some of them are already lacking discipline because of the lack of a father figure or grandfather figure, for that matter.
Now, I am not saying that it necessarily has to come from a black coach or assistants as far as the black children are concerned, but it sure wouldn't hurt anything either.

Having said that, as far as the racial make up of our teams is concerned, at least in the immediate and near immediate future goes,( for whatever reason), the majority of starters are white. Granted this may change, but as of this past season, there were not a whole lot of black athletes on our jr teams.

[Kamd50]

[QUOTE=Kamd50;90415]Which is why your original post got deleted.QUOTE]

Heck, I thought that I was the only poster that you deleted:thumbsup:

Maybe you shouldn't assume MC, you might be surpised:wink:

[monte81]

Kamd50,

You didn't have to delete nothing anyone posted about me. I have the guts, ethics, and morals not to hide anything that I ever did in my life. That is why when I talk to certain kids it written, talked about openly that is why my brother is where he is at today. 1, 2, 3, even 4 mistakes you make does not mean you cannot make it out here! However, it is what you learn from those mistakes that makes the person. McGuire's Make It happen----regardless of the situation!

MP posters Massillon has been doing it the old way for years--politics an BS! It's time to let the new young minds get us to the Championship and you guys enjoy the ride. Until then we keep the pride and tradition through facilities and boosters and keep coming up short!
Peace,
Monte McGuire

[Drbord]

As Drbord said, obviously that is the preferable situation. But, look, what so many of you guys fail to acknowledge that that simply is not the case in many homes in Massillon, black and white alike.

My daughter teaches at Franklin, without arguement the most economically disadvantaged school area in our district. A lot of these little children come to school innocently speaking of such things like their daddy is in jail or just got out of jail; or referring to their mother's latest live-in boyfriend as daddy until the next one comes along, because in their world that is what is normal to them. It is truely a heart breaking situation that many of these children live with day in and day out. Most of us cannot imagine what is going on right in our own back yard!! Yet they come to school looking to learn and looking for someone to look up to and to take a sincere interest in them and what they are capable of doing like any other young child does.

Unfortunatley, many of them just do not get it at home. When it comes time for them to join organized sports, some of them are already lacking discipline because of the lack of a father figure or grandfather figure, for that matter.
Now, I am not saying that it necessarily has to come from a black coach or assistants as far as the black children are concerned, but it sure wouldn't hurt anything either.

Having said that, as far as the racial make up of our teams is concerned, at least in the immediate and near immediate future goes,( for whatever reason), the majority of starters are white. Granted this may change, but as of this past season, there were not a whole lot of black athletes on our jr teams.

Kamd50, I agree with all of your post. What I have been trying to point out is this is not a Massilon only issue and it is much worse in other locations. Massillon is not a "city school" per se. There are family situations that are not good but it is everywhere. Other schools and towns over come these issues and have championship football teams and eventually good productive citizens. The fabric of our young people can be repaired but it takes the right people that care. What we don't need is people on this forum telling them they can't achieve greatness because of who or where their parents are.

[Kamd50]

Kamd50, I agree with all of your post. What I have been trying to point out is this is not a Massilon only issue and it is much worse in other locations. Massillon is not a "city school" per se. There are family situations that are not good but it is everywhere. Other schools and towns over come these issues and have championship football teams and eventually good productive citizens. The fabric of our young people can be repaired but it takes the right people that care. What we don't need is people on this forum telling them they can't achieve greatness because of who or where their parents are.

And I absolutely agree with you also. The surest way to defeat and deflate someone, especially our vulnerable youth, is by telling them they cannot achieve their goals becaue of their situation, background, or environment. That is nothing but a defeatist attitude and a road to disaster.

I also agree with your other post where you basically were saying that some posters appear to be painting our school and city as some big ghetto scene, which is not accurate either. We are far from it, but at the same time, it has to be acknowledged that there is a certain percentage of our children who are being raised in less than nurturning environments; emotionally and economically. And there is no denying that there is help needed and work to be done in order to help these children become what they are capable of becoming and moving onto college or tech school.

Which, by the way, you all, is exactly why the D.R.E.A.M project exists; to give hope and assistance in getting deserving kids there.

God bless those people for caring and giving back to their community! How many other wealthy alumni of MCS's has even begun to do for us what these wonderful people have?

[tigersrbest]

All of our students (Caucasian, African-American, whatever) need mentors who value education, support the classroom teachers, and stress the importance of continuing learning after high school graduation. Many students get this mentoring from their parents, but many do not. These students desperately need role models who have used success in school (including post-secondary education) as a stepping stone to success in life.

Monte, I think this is what you're talking about, and I think you and more young men like you could be vital components in a program to help our students realize that it is possible for them to use positive educational achievements as the foundation to becoming successful, contributing members of the community.

My daughter teaches "at risk" high school students in that large district to our east. Many, many of her students come from homes where serious drug and alcohol abuse are common, where one or both parents are in jail or mentally ill, where casual sex is the norm, where relatives get shot and die over the weekend. Not one of her students has anyone in his/her personal life who values education or has translated success in education to success in life. Did I mention that the majority of her students are Caucasian?

It doesn't matter how large our coaching staff is, we are doing our athletes a disservice if we don't have several coaches who can relate to and help with what is going on in the neighborhood. But, more than that, we need a program to provide mentors to ALL students who lack appropriate role models at home. Maybe the David Foundation and other local foundations would sponsor a Mentoring Program if someone in the local system wrote the grant applications. Maybe this is already part of the D.R.E.A.M. program. I hope so.

[massillon catholic]

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Did I mention that the majority of her students are Caucasian?

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Does that mean they are white?

[WoodyHayes]

To question what a guy did 15 or 20 years ago is ridiculous. Its almost funny. Anyone on here has done stupid things. Next time Carl and his best bud MC are drinking shots down in The "Pete" I would like to be a fly on that wall. Now there would be some priveleged information.

[proud to be]

Kamd50, I agree with all of your post. What I have been trying to point out is this is not a Massilon only issue and it is much worse in other locations. Massillon is not a "city school" per se. There are family situations that are not good but it is everywhere. Other schools and towns over come these issues and have championship football teams and eventually good productive citizens. The fabric of our young people can be repaired but it takes the right people that care. What we don't need is people on this forum telling them they can't achieve greatness because of who or where their parents are.

This post is kind of ironic in my opinion. I feel we had the person in place at MMS until he was run off by people with their own agenda. In the end, all they did was weaken the program from the foundation, and hurt the kids that the coach was trying to help. Anybody who thinks differently doesn't know, or has their own personal agenda, which they believe is more important than the program.

[Banks]

PS: I am sure it is no secret that Tom is one of the 60 who applied for the Green job.

[CATS44]

To make it perfectly clear that Stacy wants to be the coach at Massillon, all he has to do is announce that he will not accept any other job for the length of his extension.

Of course, he doesnt...and he wont.

[Tiger54]

PS: I am sure it is no secret that Tom is one of the 60 who applied for the Green job.
I figured he would do that. Gee, maybe he will also apply at McKinley. ha!

[massillon catholic]

PS: I am sure it is no secret that Tom is one of the 60 who applied for the Green job.


I said it whe AH applied for another job that would be considered at best a neutral move that he should have been fired. The same goes for Stacy. If he is seeking another job at DI high school, he should be immediately terminated.

[CarlE]

I said it whe AH applied for another job that would be considered at best a neutral move that he should have been fired. The same goes for Stacy. If he is seeking another job at DI high school, he should be immediately terminated.

Exactly. I don't want somebody here only because they couldn't get hired somewhere else. That is NOT indicative of what a coaching mentality should be at this program.

[TigerCoach]

My guess is that the BOE is doing him a favor and giving him until the end of January to announce his move. The national coaches convention is in New Orleans the week after the BCS game. This is where most of the interviewing, meetings, butt-kissing takes place for jobs. If he gets a college job, usually they don't find that out until after the bowls.

[LLRose]

I said it whe AH applied for another job that would be considered at best a neutral move that he should have been fired. The same goes for Stacy. If he is seeking another job at DI high school, he should be immediately terminated.

Another example of the culture change that must occur for the program to get to the next level.

Your logic is asinine. No one would ever apply for any coaching job due to the ramification of being fired by their current board of education.

What a great policy to attract and retain talent.

Think before you type.

[austinsm11]

Another example of the culture change that must occur for the program to get to the next level.

Your logic is asinine. No one would ever apply for any coaching job due to the ramification of being fired by their current board of education.

What a great policy to attract and retain talent.

Think before you type.

I think the difference is applying for a position that is a neutral move or even a step down. Why would Stacy apply to coach at Green? Why would we want to keep a coach who wants out so bad that he would make a neutral or step down move?

[LLRose]

I think the difference is applying for a position that is a neutral move or even a step down. Why would Stacy apply to coach at Green? Why would we want to keep a coach who wants out so bad that he would make a neutral or step down move?

I didn't read your comments into the original post.

"Apply for another job and you are immediately terminated."

#1. I haven't seen proof he applied at Green.

#2. If he did, he's covering himself professionally.

#3. Maybe he feels his current opportunity isn't worth the BS.

#4. Maybe the board feels it is time to START ALL OVER AGAIN.

I wish everyone had to personally live up to the professional standards they place on the head coach of the Massillon Tigers.

[austinsm11]

I didn't read your comments into the original post.

"Apply for another job and you are immediately terminated."

#1. I haven't seen proof he applied at Green.

#2. If he did, he's covering himself professionally.

#3. Maybe he feels his current opportunity isn't worth the BS.

#4. Maybe the board feels it is time to START ALL OVER AGAIN.

I wish everyone had to personally live up to the professional standards they place on the head coach of the Massillon Tigers.

1. Neither have I.

2. Which makes it sound like
A. He is chosing not to come back to Massillon or
B. He is not wanted back at Massillon
And
C. He doesn't have a college job lined up, which was his reason for moving on after 3-4 years.

3. That is fine, he can leave.

4. Wouldn't it be better to start over again now instead of a year later which would be the end of Stacy's 3-4 year window he stated to begin with?

[macguy]

OK...So the Rep stated that the issue of Coach Stacy's contract will be tabled till March. McK and other schools have openings now. I would like to see the BOE make a decision sooner than later on weather to renew his contract or not, instead of waiting (for whatever reason) and potentially missing out on good candidates that get picked up by other schools.

We need a decision on the matter soon to get down to the business of building a championship team. If Coach Stacy stays, we need to get moving on what we need to do. If he moves on, we need to get another system in place soon for obvious reasons.

[Banks]

I might be wrong but ( this is like splitting hairs ) you can't fire him he has a contract till July 30 or something like that , you can NO RENEW his contract which would I guess be the same as firing him but you can't force him out any sooner than the length of his contract.

You may remember Rick Shepas didn't leave while Stacey first came to town, he held on for about 45 days.

[Banks]

OK...So the Rep stated that the issue of Coach Stacy's contract will be tabled till March. McK and other schools have openings now. I would like to see the BOE make a decision sooner than later on weather to renew his contract or not, instead of waiting (for whatever reason) and potentially missing out on good candidates that get picked up by other schools.

We need a decision on the matter soon to get down to the business of building a championship team. If Coach Stacy stays, we need to get moving on what we need to do. If he moves on, we need to get another system in place soon for obvious reasons.

Believe me the board has their minds made up.
And a replacement in line.

[LLRose]

Believe me the board has their minds made up.
And a replacement in line.

I'm on board with your post. It is the only scenario that makes sense.

Please pm me the replacement you believe they have in place if you'd like.

[Tiger54]

I'm on board with your post. It is the only scenario that makes sense.

Please pm me the replacement you believe they have in place if you'd like.

Me too! When I read the Rep and the statement about MARCH, I thought, boy, that is pretty late and puts Massillon into a bind about replacement candidates. If you really know something, please PM me.

[monte81]

After the watching the Ted Ginn Sr. special the other day I am more convinced as ever that we need quality prople in our program who care about these kids on and off the field. We are not securing schollie deals like we should, discipline is lacking, mentoring is lacking, and community moral is low right now despite building new and great facilities. We need someone or something to give our program a boost and raise the bar! I aint even considering the back to back 6-4 seasons with loads of talent that we totally messed up the past 2 years.:weightlift:

[LLRose]

After the watching the Ted Ginn Sr. special the other day I am more convinced as ever that we need quality prople in our program who care about these kids on and off the field. We are not securing schollie deals like we should, discipline is lacking, mentoring is lacking, and community moral is low right now despite building new and great facilities. We need someone or something to give our program a boost and raise the bar! I aint even considering the back to back 6-4 seasons with loads of talent that we totally messed up the past 2 years.:weightlift:

If you play for Massillon and can't get a schollie, it's because your play on film didn't catch the eye of one of the over 100 schools that recruit NE Ohio and specifically Massillon High School. It has nothing to do with Tom not caring about his players as individuals, this has been successfully refuted numerous times on this site.

[SuperBran]

After the watching the Ted Ginn Sr. special

We need someone or something to give our program a boost and raise the bar! I aint even considering the back to back 6-4 seasons with loads of talent that we totally messed up the past 2 years.:weightlift:

it's interesting that these two statements were in the same post.

ginn is the absolute KING of underachieving on the field. look at all of the D1 talent he's had in the past but yet still couldn't get it done.

good at helping kids off the field? yep.
good coach? not really.

sorry, but (unfortunately) it's all about winning in this town. we criticize our current coach for not achieving as much as we should have with the talent we've had. from what i've heard shepas did a lot for his players, but was still pushed out. with the expectations we have, a guy like ginn would never make it. i don't care how many scholarships he would help his players achieve.............if he performed on the field like ginn has he'd be gone in a few years.

[monte81]

it's interesting that these two statements were in the same post.

ginn is the absolute KING of underachieving on the field. look at all of the D1 talent he's had in the past but yet still couldn't get it done.

good at helping kids off the field? yep.
good coach? not really.

sorry, but (unfortunately) it's all about winning in this town. we criticize our current coach for not achieving as much as we should have with the talent we've had. from what i've heard shepas did a lot for his players, but was still pushed out. with the expectations we have, a guy like ginn would never make it. i don't care how many scholarships he would help his players achieve.............if he performed on the field like ginn has he'd be gone in a few years.

That's the problem and you missed the whole point!! If we put more concern into the kids and their futures we might just be a better team in the long run. Ginn aint went 6-4 in back to back seasons at Glenville either. Enhance the lives of the kids and in return we have a better program! What is so hard to understand about that? No titles but has been to the playoffs what 5/6 times since taking over in 1999 and he is getting better every year. most of those so-called thugs are in college and living productive lives. Even a lawyer in the bunch of kids he has touched over the years!

Stability for our middle school players, help for our HS seniors at all levels of success after graduation, better quality student/athletes will bring in the W's!!

[massillon catholic]

After the watching the Ted Ginn Sr. special the other day I am more convinced as ever that we need quality prople in our program who care about these kids on and off the field.:

You arent suggesting that we go after Ginn Sr., are you? This guy has more talent than anybody and cant win. He looks like an absolute idiot with his CZ earring when he's on the sidelines. To his credit, he is a great recruiter.

[monte81]

If you play for Massillon and can't get a schollie, it's because your play on film didn't catch the eye of one of the over 100 schools that recruit NE Ohio and specifically Massillon High School. It has nothing to do with Tom not caring about his players as individuals, this has been successfully refuted numerous times on this site.

Now you know that just is not true! many players dont get schollies because they do not get endorsements from the HC or the HC does not sell them properly. It happens all the time in HS sports so why do you think we are an exception to the rules? We always can do more---at the Stark County recruiting day the past 2 years NOT ONE DI recruiter was in the building! Why? Not enough talent in Stark? Funny again!

Players that not half as good as some of our players are getting deals because the HC of that player is relentless and cares just alittle more about his players. Cincy Withrow doubled our DI, DII, JUCO offers with far less talent. Many other schools are doing the same such as Westerville South, GO, Dover, etc,.... with less talent! It is our coaches not getting it done!!!!

[monte81]

You arent suggesting that we go after Ginn Sr., are you? This guy has more talent than anybody and cant win. He looks like an absolute idiot with his CZ earring when he's on the sidelines. To his credit, he is a great recruiter.

Never said ANYTHING about us getting Ted Ginn Sr.---please read carefully before posting BS! I said after watching his special a few days ago we need a person who CARES FOR KIDS LIKE HE DOES!!! never said 1 thing about wanting him or his X's and O's skills on the sidelines did I? I want his passion and caring for the kids he displays 100% of the time win or lose! We dont have that from assistants or the HC and it shows on and off the field!

Oh---tell the hundreds of NFL players, college grads, lawyers, businessmen, etc,... that he has touched that he is not a winner!!! Winning has nothing to do with TD's----show some compassion and caring for players and that will follow as well!

That is why I continue to say MOST TIGER SUPPORTERS care more about winning than the players! That is a shame and maybe CARMA is in the way of the trophy!!!

[massillon catholic]

Never said ANYTHING about us getting Ted Ginn Sr.---please read carefully befroe posting BS! I said after watching his special a few days ago we need a person who CARES FOR KIDS LIKE HE DOES!!! never said 1 thing about wanting him or his X's and O's skills on the sidelines did I? I want his passion and caring for the kids he displays 100% of the time win or lose! We dont have that from assistants or the HC and it shows on and off the field!

Oh---tell the hundreds of NFL players, college grads, lawyers, businessmen, etc,... that he has touched that he is not a winner!!! Winning has nothing to do with TD's----show some compassion and caring for players and that will follow as well!

Ginn Sr. is a joke. How many white kids has he helped? They name streets after guys like this.... ONE WAY!

[SuperBran]

If we put more concern into the kids and their futures we might just be a better team in the long run.

the key word there is "might."

ginn has put a lot of effort into the future of his kids, but glenville isn't the program that it SHOULD be based on the talent they've had. they've underachieved.

the key to glenville's success isn't hasn't been in developing the players off the field. they key has been stud athletes who have come to the school to play football.

Ginn aint went 6-4 in back to back seasons at Glenville either.

and massillon "aint had" near the talent glenville has had over the past few years.

btw - if you are serious about helping out the future of our kids, why use language like "aint went"? that doesn't set a very good example.

Enhance the lives of the kids and in return we have a better program!

that's only a theory. again, ginn's success has been due to great athletes playing for glenville.

No titles but has been to the playoffs what 5/6 times since taking over in 1999 and he is getting better every year.

he SHOULD have a title with the talent he's brought in. again, our current coach gets drilled for not achieving as much as he should have with the level of talent we've had. ginn is famous for that. there's no way he'd escape the same criticism here.

most of those so-called thugs are in college and living productive lives.

who's calling them "thugs"?

[monte81]

Ginn Sr. is a joke. How many white kids has he helped? They name streets after guys like this.... ONE WAY!


You are pathetic dude! It is not about white or black! How many white kids live on 113th and St. Clair or attend Glenville? Thats all you can come up with in your dumb post! Come on dude, give the man respect and credit for standing up and helping out kids in need. That is whats wrong with Massillon--its not black or white its who needs help!!!

[SuperBran]

That is why I continue to say MOST TIGER SUPPORTERS care more about winning than the players! That is a shame and maybe CARMA is in the way of the trophy!!!

oh course there are MANY people who care about winning than anything else. if our players were excelling in the classroom and setting a great example, stacy would still be on the hot seat.

[monte81]

the key word there is "might."

ginn has put a lot of effort into the future of his kids, but glenville isn't the program that it SHOULD be based on the talent they've had. they've underachieved.

the key to glenville's success isn't hasn't been in developing the players off the field. they key has been stud athletes who have come to the school to play football.



and massillon "aint had" near the talent glenville has had over the past few years.

btw - if you are serious about helping out the future of our kids, why use language like "aint went"? that doesn't set a very good example.



that's only a theory. again, ginn's success has been due to great athletes playing for glenville.

[QUOTE=monte81;90758]No titles but has been to the playoffs what 5/6 times since taking over in 1999 and he is getting better every year.

he SHOULD have a title with the talent he's brought in. again, our current coach gets drilled for not achieving as much as he should have with the level of talent we've had. ginn is famous for that. there's no way he'd escape the same criticism here.



who's calling them "thugs"?


Underachieved? being on the team, graduating, and attending college is what it is about---not championships! The rate we are headed Glenville will win one before we do!
Most of the kids on the team would not even play if not for Ginn! Anything to not give credit to a man who changes lives DAILY! it's not about wins---Massillon should have a few titles as well!
What example to you send to the kids? What do you do for them? Anyone can critque grammer and spelling when they can not win an argument. Ginn has won more games than Stacy as a HC and put kids in school.

[monte81]

oh course there are MANY people who care about winning than anything else. if our players were excelling in the classroom and setting a great example, stacy would still be on the hot seat.

He still is underachieving with our current talent level and letting the kids run the program. He should be on the hot seat for the past 2 seasons with the talent we have had on the team. No discipline, bad playcalling, stupid personel decisions, etc,... it is in order!!

[massillon catholic]

Since you acknowledge that ginn cant coach, maybe we should get him a job as a career counselor. Sorry, Monte but I cant stand this guy and he gets away with everything at glenville.

[SuperBran]

Underachieved? being on the team, graduating, and attending college is what it is about---not championships!


really? kamd stated how closely stacy and his coaches monitor and stress academics. should we keep him since he's doing well in that regard? it's all about winning in this town, and you should know that.


The rate we are headed Glenville will win one before we do!

i thought it wasn't about titles?


Most of the kids on the team would not even play if not for Ginn!

of course. if he wouldn't have recruited them, they'd be at different schools (cough, o'neal, cough).

Anything to not give credit to a man who changes lives DAILY!

i give him credit for changing lives..........just not as a football coach.

it's not about wins

i think a few of our ex-coaches would disagree.

Anyone can critque grammer and spelling when they can not win an argument.

LOL. ummm, i think my criticism is part of the argument. you're saying how we should help these kids to become better students, people, etc...........yet you say things like "aint went."

i'm not arguing with the fact that we need to concentrate more on these kids off the field. i'm simply pointing out that our program is all about wins. you can't argue with that fact. bring ginn himself to our program and he wouldn't last more than a few years. the bottom line is wins. that's the truth, and you can't argue with that. we can bring in a guy who does wonders with the kids academically, but if he doesn't win games he won't be around very long.

Ginn has won more games than Stacy as a HC and put kids in school.

so you assume that stacy has not contributed at all to helping kids find schools?

wow, ginn has won more games than stacy as a HC. you forget to mention that stacy hasn't had anywhere near the talent ginn has year in and year out during his career as a HC.

[SuperBran]

Since you acknowledge that ginn cant coach, maybe we should get him a job as a career counselor.

exactly. ginn has had teams loaded with D1 talent but has yet to win a title............in fact, he's yet to GO to the finals.

dear god, we might as well hire priest to coach the team.

[Red50Go]

C'mon guys, give a little credit where its due. I for one am VERY happy to see a inner city school (real inner city, not Massillon inner city) compete w/ the likes of Iggy & Eds & Benny etc. Sure they get raw talent, transfers, etc, but really, who could, or would even want to deal w/ all that? And some of you guys complain about our family backgrounds and socio/economics.

And speaking of Bennedictine. Did you hear the great Auggie Bossou just passed away? A truly great man. He helped hundreds, prolly thousands of disadantaged but noone calls him a fake.

Bottom line, he bled blue & white. Ginn bleeds tarblooder red. Reno bleeds Stueby red. Now who wants to bleed orange & black for US???

[monte81]

We also have had many talented teams and blew it. Ginn has been at Glenville since 1999!

Red50go, you are totally correct in your post!

Superbran, it is not about titles to me but to some of you it is all that matters. I said Ginn would maybe win one before the tigers because his kids know he cares for them. Kids first, wins second!!

changing lives is more important than being a good football coach!

A few grammer and spelling mistakes cannot change who I am as a person!

The point is that you can win games and change kids at the same time. our coaches sometimes forget about that in our system.

never said Stacy does nothing but I know he can do more if he wishes. A coach that goes all out for his kids will never have to question if they will do the same for him in return! Things need to change in tigertown all the way around if we want a winning team and productive student/athletes. When we as a community change our priorities about football we will win championships.

If we find a coach with passion for kids, X's and O's and not afraid to put in some OT to secure schollies---that is the right person. However we have not found that coach YET in 37 years of the playoff era--oh, once in Currance but he was ousted. that new era coach is out here but the old regime in our program will not see through the BS and make it happen.

BTW---- if Ginn Sr. was a fake why when jr. went to OSU he could of walked away! He cares about the kids and community!

[massillon catholic]

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I said Ginn would maybe win one before the tigers because his kids know he cares for them. Kids first, wins second!!

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You have no credibility left. He cant win with tons of talent and the best athletes recruited from the inner-city of Cleveland how in the world is he going to win at Massillon? Because his kids knows he cares for them?? You have said on here that you want a coach that has coached black players or afro-americans as you call them. What about a coach that doesnt coach white players? what's the difference.