Coach Stacy Facts

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I'll tell you what I WILL do. Tell you to go to hell and mind your own damn business tough guy.

CarlE,

You remind me of I think four people with that statement. Nice post!

[RRanger]

Some of you guys are amazing with your bashing. I'm almost ashamed to say I am a tiger. How many of you have ever set out to meet these men and find out what they are really like. Have you taken a look around you to see what "society" has become? These are 16-17-18 year old boys. Some of them having literally no upbringing and you expect a coach to change these kid's lives through football?
Let's face reality: life is not getting easier around here and no coach is going to come in here change this "new" generation.
I just wish some of you would invest as much passion and energy in something worthwhile instead of bashing.
Football is football, life is life.
Go spend some time volunteering at a homeless shelter;
spend a day in the cancer ward at a nearby hospital;
spend a day taking a handicapped to the mall
go spend $100 on Christmas presents for someone you don't know.
Maybe this will wake some of you up to the fact that there is more to life than who is our football coach and how great he is. Let's try to remember that whoever the coach is, he is still human and will make mistakes, just as each of us do each day.
Sorry to vent, but let's keep this in perspective.

what 's shepas have to do with any of this, he's gone and i'am glad of that

[Dingma608]

It was an executive session.

Thank you Seeker. That means they don't let birdys in the meetings.

I will retract the alligator statement but think it is irresponsible to spread information that only leads to rumors and speculation.

[OTC TIGER]

what 's shepas have to do with any of this, he's gone and i'am glad of that

It must be time for a nap...:sleepy:

[SECTION13PBTS]

This Carl E from someone were in florida has no business worrying about want is going on with the inner-circle of the program. You arent even here to support the kids in anyway for some of the comments you make.

[AllOhio]

If Bill Belicheck and his entire coaching staff were at Massillon for 10 years do you think a championship would be won? Or do they have a uhaul in their driveways after a few bad seasons...

[RRanger]

Woody, I don't believe 8 million times being told will actually sink in to some people's minds. I swear.

I found out something tonight, i admit when i'am wrong i guess we will be getting a knew coach. that's all iam saying for now

[man2man]

This Carl E from someone were in florida has no business worrying about want is going on with the inner-circle of the program. You arent even here to support the kids in anyway for some of the comments you make.


True. No one who was in that room ought to be sharing confidential information with anyone and I don't believe they did. You shouldn't either.

Let me just remind everyone that Tom Stacy is a man with a wife and family and to publicly speculate, lie and make up info that a "birdy" told you is juvenile at best and is disturbing at worst. I don't want that kind of stuff in my life so I won't sow it into these conversations.

[Obie Wan]

No one who was in that room ought to be sharing confidential information with anyone and I don't believe they did.
What is your evidence for this belief?

[Kamd50]

I found out something tonight, i admit when i'am wrong i guess we will be getting a knew coach. that's all iam saying for now

Thank goodness for that. Maybe we can stop all of this back and forth nonsense now:notlistening: and possibly have some intelligent conversation.

Not singling you out RR, this is intended for everyone.

[CATS44]

Anybody who has spent any time in Massillon and who has followed the football program knows one thing at least:

There are no secrets.

And with the communications explosion within the last decade...particularly the internet and cell phones....there are no secrets in Massillon that cant get to any part of the free world within minutes.

In spite of hanging chads and boughten Presidential elections, I think that Florida still qualifies as part of the free world.

:lol:

[TigerSupport]

Anybody who has spent any time in Massillon and who has followed the football program knows one thing at least:

There are no secrets.

And with the communications explosion within the last decade...particularly the internet and cell phones....there are no secrets in Massillon that cant get to any part of the free world within minutes.

In spite of hanging chads and boughten Presidential elections, I think that Florida still qualifies as part of the free world.

:lol:

Yeah no secrets - that's a good policy to have, cats.:rolleyes:

[CarlE]

This Carl E from someone were in florida has no business worrying about want is going on with the inner-circle of the program. You arent even here to support the kids in anyway for some of the comments you make.

Um, half-illiterate one. I'm actually IN the Inner Circle in some places. You MIGHT want to find out who you are talking about before you actually make asinine comments, OK? And don't talk to me about support for the "kids". You're also clueless on that one.

[Out-N-Up]

"no secrets"........thats not a policy, thats just the way it is.

[TigerSupport]

Um, half-illiterate one. I'm actually IN the Inner Circle in some places. You MIGHT want to find out who you are talking about before you actually make asinine comments, OK? And don't talk to me about support for the "kids". You're also clueless on that one.

It makes me feel really good about the state of Massillon football (or school district, for that matter) if YOU are in the inner circle.:sad2:

Just keep calling people names - that's really classy. To quote a line from Rudy, if you're in the inner circle, my opinion of Massillon just hit the $h**s

You're not in the inner circle - you may think you are, but you're not. If you were in the inner circle, you would be on the sides of myself, SuperBran, Sect13, LLRose, Man2Man, etc...because you would have a clue as to what was actually going on in the program.

Knowing a schoolboard member doesn't count, because they get all of THEIR information from here, and then it is recycled by you BACK on here, etc. etc. It's a vicious cycle!

[CarlE]

If you were in the inner circle, you would be on the sides of myself, SuperBran, Sect13, LLRose, Man2Man, etc...because you would have a clue as to what was actually going on in the program.



Oh my Lord I can't stop laughing. No offense to SuperBran who is a good guy but that list is freaking COMICAL. God, I can't stop LAUGHING!!

[man2man]

In spite of hanging chads and boughten Presidential elections,:lol:

"boughten" ? :help:

[CATS44]

Yes, boughten.

Look it up.

carle: Me thinks that that particular 'inner circle' isnt very inner.

But you already knew that...lol.

[SECTION13PBTS]

Let me ask you Carl E. Who is your sideliner player????? When was the last time you were at a booster club meeting??????? I am more involved with this program than probably 3/4 the people on here. So all you are getting is second hand info from someone on the outside looking in.(M.C.)?????? Please take you agenda for whatever it is worth and leave OUR KIDS ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[obie2000]

:iagree:



THANKS!!!!!!!!!

[TigerSupport]

Carl at least you didn't call me names this time

[OTC TIGER]

You're not in the inner circle - you may think you are, but you're not. If you were in the inner circle, you would be on the sides of myself, SuperBran, Sect13, LLRose, Man2Man, etc...because you would have a clue as to what was actually going on in the program.



:lol: :wtf:

[CarlE]

Let me ask you Carl E. Who is your sideliner player????? When was the last time you were at a booster club meeting??????? I am more involved with this program than probably 3/4 the people on here. So all you are getting is second hand info from someone on the outside looking in.(M.C.)?????? Please take you agenda for whatever it is worth and leave OUR KIDS ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. I don't have one.
2. About 20 years ago.
3. For the 1,346,087th time, my info isn't coming from MC. So, stop alluding to that, OK?
4. My only "agenda" is the betterment of the program. If that ruffles feathers of people like you that think because you spend $20/week on a kid for dinner that you are "entitled", so be it. I could care less about your personal agendas and living vicariously through the players. And quite honestly, I don't think I'm bothering "your kids". This really was a comical post. And my direct answers to your questions were to prove the irrelevance of them. I believe I made my case.

There, succinct answers and no name-calling. I hope you're satisfied.

[Banks]

Recruiting cases my @ss..case #1 (JS) was broke in the Inde in February of 1998...Under a current coach on the staff I might add..Rick was hired in May of 1998..so I guess Rick was on the phone at Poland knowing the job was his
and was recruiting 3 months prior...:doh:



The JS case was in Feb 1999 not 1998

[LLRose]

Four BOE members told him NO to an extension last night. He's gone within the next week.

This statement was posted one week ago last Tuesday 12-11-07.

[Banks]

This statement was posted one week ago last Tuesday 12-11-07.

The BOE are meeting with Tom one on one tonight.

[SECTION13PBTS]

1. I don't have one.
2. About 20 years ago.
3. For the 1,346,087th time, my info isn't coming from MC. So, stop alluding to that, OK?
4. My only "agenda" is the betterment of the program. If that ruffles feathers of people like you that think because you spend $20/week on a kid for dinner that you are "entitled", so be it. I could care less about your personal agendas and living vicariously through the players. And quite honestly, I don't think I'm bothering "your kids". This really was a comical post. And my direct answers to your questions were to prove the irrelevance of them. I believe I made my case.

There, succinct answers and no name-calling. I hope you're satisfied.

Just what is your betterment of the program.Sitting in Florida thinking you have all the answers? And the $20/a week its alot more than that.Its getting to know the player a having a personal relationship with them and their families and giving them a listening ear.I dont see anything there comical at all.All you know is what someone is telling you second hand.You so called boosters or supporters of the program act like it and quit this he said she said crap and support the kids.Its not about us its them.You got so kind of agenda or axe to grind take that up with the individual in question.Coaches door is always open.Not on a public forum.The team and coaches at every level need all our support no matter what.Thats what a true booster of the program is all about.Being away from the program like you are you should not judge what is really going on up here except for wat you hear second hand.Invollment is whats its really all about.

[CarlE]

I give up.

[SECTION13PBTS]

I give up.

You need to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CATS44]

And now we get to the gist of the problem.

Too many people that are 'involved' with the program want to RUN the program.

Which is exactly how we got to this point.

[mike_da_man13]

You need to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i know this is off topic but it seems to me that you where the one who lost the arguement...

[CarlE]

i know this is off topic but it seems to me that you where the one who lost the arguement...

Thank you for seeing that.

[Tiger54]

I give up.
You don't get it---"invollment" is what it is all about!!! This guy needs to talk to some of the players and their parents to know what it is all about! And there is a heck of a bigger problem going on with this program presently than "invollment!" How about even-handed treatment of the players? I could go on and on but it isn't worth it at this point. Long-time supporters of the program see it---open your eyes and don't be so blind. I'll bet that a new coach is going to need to do a lot of work to build this program back up. We are just wasting our time right now.

[SternRulz]

Anybody who has spent any time in Massillon and who has followed the football program knows one thing at least:

There are no secrets.

And with the communications explosion within the last decade...particularly the internet and cell phones....there are no secrets in Massillon that cant get to any part of the free world within minutes.

In spite of hanging chads and boughten Presidential elections, I think that Florida still qualifies as part of the free world.

:lol:

That may be true, but a lot of the so-called secrets are actually rumors, and by the time they get down the line it's like a bad game of "telephone" gone wrong.

[CarlE]

That may be true, but a lot of the so-called secrets are actually rumors, and by the time they get down the line it's like a bad game of "telephone" gone wrong.

Not this time.

[SternRulz]

Not this time.

No, I don't doubt that. I was talking more of things going on throughout the season.

[CarlE]

No, I don't doubt that. I was talking more of things going on throughout the season.

Oh, OK. Now I understand. You're right AGAIN. DANG, I'm getting tired of saying that!!

[LLRose]

This just in..........................Tom is still the coach!

Quote:
Originally Posted by massillon catholic View Post
Four BOE members told him NO to an extension last night. He's gone within the next week. (Posted by MC on 12.11.07)

[MSlater]

May the board think clearly enough to make the right decision. To come and coach in Massillon is brutal enough let alone all the coaches this town has (I'm speaking of fans who know it all myself included). As we sort through the facts realize this: as a born and bred Massillon Tiger I hope like everyone else here to win the SHIP, but if Massillon stumbles its bashing time until the next pinata steps in. Coach Stacy came in and took over a program that wasn't winning and turned it around but struggled a few times. What about the educational stand point. Get your grades up...etc... or else you don't play. If he goes because of the board then he goes...but if he stays then he stays. Either way he has my support. I feel personally the cycle of players changes and all we can do is wait our turn. We should all by know by now that this is the capitol of football but also politics. Even some professional coaches would have a difficult time here. I hope we can all see past the mess we put ourselves in.

Go Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[monte81]

You guys are debating and arguing over things WE cannot control! The BOE is going to do what they see fit for the program like they always do---good or bad.

However when that decision is made and Coach Stacy is or is not the HC---WE NEED SOME THINGS TO CHANGE!! Work ethic, attitudes, and dedication by the players and better coaching, discipline of players, and player personel decisions need a good look at as well by the staff. JMHO! Both sides didn't perform like TIGERS this year---not all but as a whole!

It is a give and take---players need to give more effort and take the butt kickings in the weight room and practice and the coaches need to be more firm and look out for the players on and off the field!

Also, Coach Stacy has stated that he is not our long term coach so we need to prepare and locate one for the good of Massillon!!

[CarlE]

Agreed. But I also believe, myself included, that whatever happens we as FANS need to change too. This thing got WAY too out of control but quite honestly if geniuses like man2nutjob and some of the others hadn't been on here fueling the fire it probably wouldn't have been nearly as bad. Anyway, my two cents.

[SternRulz]

Agreed. But I also believe, myself included, that whatever happens we as FANS need to change too. This thing got WAY too out of control but quite honestly if geniuses like man2nutjob and some of the others hadn't been on here fueling the fire it probably wouldn't have been nearly as bad. Anyway, my two cents.

I think you're perfect just the way you are CarlE. Don't change a thing.

:poke:

[CarlE]

I think you're perfect just the way you are CarlE. Don't change a thing.

:poke:

Yea. Oh to be in Massillon again!!!

[Banks]

Also, Coach Stacy has stated that he is not our long term coach so we need to prepare and locate one for the good of Massillon!!

When did he say that 3 years ago?
Things change from year to year.
Maybe just maybe he wants to stay now.

[monte81]

When did he say that 3 years ago?
Things change from year to year.
Maybe just maybe he wants to stay now.

When?? 3 weeks ago he stated his stance remained the same and he would look at college positions. I didn't say it Coach Stacy did---ask him if his stance has changed in a few weeks!! If he has changed his mind it is up to him to state that and maybe some fans might have a change in opinion! WE NEED LONG TERM STABILITY IN OUR PROGRAM!

[SuperBran]

WE NEED LONG TERM STABILITY IN OUR PROGRAM!

unfortunately that's probably never going to happen, as evidenced by the fact that the longest any coach has been here is 8 years.

[monte81]

unfortunately that's probably never going to happen, as evidenced by the fact that the longest any coach has been here is 8 years.

it needs to---most dominate teams in the modern playoff era have had long term dedicated coaches!

[CarlE]

When did he say that 3 years ago?
Things change from year to year.
Maybe just maybe he wants to stay now.

No, three weeks ago. How soon we forget.

[Banks]

When?? 3 weeks ago he stated his stance remained the same and he would look at college positions. I didn't say it Coach Stacy did---ask him if his stance has changed in a few weeks!! If he has changed his mind it is up to him to state that and maybe some fans might have a change in opinion! WE NEED LONG TERM STABILITY IN OUR PROGRAM!

Montie & CarlE
I agree about the long term but I honestly didn't know he made that statement just 3 weeks ago.

[CarlE]

Montie & CarlE
I agree about the long term but I honestly didn't know he made that statement just 3 weeks ago.

It was in the article in the Inde when he was stating about how hard it had been on him, and especially his family. That his ultimate goal was still to get to the college ranks.

Look, I'll defend Coach Stacy to the Nth degree on this one. He has never been anything but consistent in his position on this. Whether we agree with it or not. It is what he has said from day one.

[hitman]

unfortunately that's probably never going to happen, as evidenced by the fact that the longest any coach has been here is 8 years.


Your right it won't EVER happen b/c of some of the people and fans of Massillon, who think they know football, try to run out every coach that comes here and DOESN"T win a state championship. It's called reality folks! I am a Tiger fan but they are a long way from competing for a state championship with the enrollment numbers as compared to the Iggys and X's just to name a couple. And enough of this hiring "former" Tiger(s) as a head coach. Last I checked there were a few former Tigers on the current staff and they are all good coaches, why not try hiring the BEST canidate?????? To me there is too many former players on this forum who think they can "turn around" this program. Newsflash! You can't just walk into a high school program with relatively no experience and think that you can win. Ohio high school football is way too tough. This program is in not of need of being turned around. 2 years ago in the state finals, last year 2nd round playoffs, this year 6-4 with a above average but not great team. Until the program rearranges the schedule or joins a league, they are going to struggle against the bigger schools-Iggy, Mentor, St.Eds, Xavier's , Moeller's. The goal for every team is to win the state championship correct?? Well 6-4 in the Fed this year would of got you into the playoffs and then ANYTHING can happen once the playoffs start. Gettin into the playoffs is part of the goal so why not look into that route that would get your team in? Btw I agree 100% that the tigers do need a coach that WOULD be allowed longer tenure and not these 3-4 years and your out.

[Banks]

Wasn't Moeller's coach just fired?
How long was he at Moeller ?

[CarlE]

Last I checked there were a few former Tigers on the current staff and they are all good coaches, why not try hiring the BEST canidate??????

Agreed. By the way, when was the last time you think we actually DID that? And the time before?

[monte81]

Your right it won't EVER happen b/c of some of the people and fans of Massillon, who think they know football, try to run out every coach that comes here and DOESN"T win a state championship. It's called reality folks! I am a Tiger fan but they are a long way from competing for a state championship with the enrollment numbers as compared to the Iggys and X's just to name a couple. And enough of this hiring "former" Tiger(s) as a head coach. Last I checked there were a few former Tigers on the current staff and they are all good coaches, why not try hiring the BEST canidate?????? To me there is too many former players on this forum who think they can "turn around" this program. Newsflash! You can't just walk into a high school program with relatively no experience and think that you can win. Ohio high school football is way too tough. This program is in not of need of being turned around. 2 years ago in the state finals, last year 2nd round playoffs, this year 6-4 with a above average but not great team. Until the program rearranges the schedule or joins a league, they are going to struggle against the bigger schools-Iggy, Mentor, St.Eds, Xavier's , Moeller's. The goal for every team is to win the state championship correct?? Well 6-4 in the Fed this year would of got you into the playoffs and then ANYTHING can happen once the playoffs start. Gettin into the playoffs is part of the goal so why not look into that route that would get your team in? Btw I agree 100% that the tigers do need a coach that WOULD be allowed longer tenure and not these 3-4 years and your out.

WHo said they wanted to come in and be the HC to turn the program around? I know that a LEADER can demand discipline, play the best players, and have respect of the players! How many coaches or assts. know what goes on with the players after practice, anybody can teach x's and o's! You think all those 50+ year old assts. have the respect of the players knowing half are just patsies. Hard nosed young coaches for todays Massillon youth. You have to relat as well as have their respect!! I know former players who could have worked better with our oline, called better plays, made adjustments with defensive adjustments in the Mentor game, changed up the offensive sceme in the Solon and Normandy game to challenge their WEAK secondaries! Come on----the problem is 90% of paid assts. are teachers and really is not going to put in extra time after practice with the kids, contacting the 200+ Di and DI playoff teams for schollies. Alot of that stuff aint happening right now! I dont know but to me that blame is on our COACHING STAFF!!! We dont even build up the middle school programs like in the past------ it dont take 10-20 years of experience to change the flaws in the program---JUST HARD WORK and NO EXCUSES!!!! How many coaches even workout with the team anymore? Break down film during study halls with players, develop player profiles for colleges, etc,.... some people just dont get it but support the things completely wrong!

You have to able to get down and dirty with these kids, jump in butts often, and LOVE them like your own to win and be successful. On and off the firld I know these kids and that what it takes from the coach!!

[monte81]

Wasn't Moeller's coach just fired?
How long was he at Moeller ?

Apples to oranges dude! he was in a recruiting war with St. X---lose-lose situation for him right now! Just keep making excuses for everyone in the program from the BOE to the coaches to the players---EVERYONE needs a reality check in the program!

[crackerman]

Your right it won't EVER happen b/c of some of the people and fans of Massillon, who think they know football, try to run out every coach that comes here and DOESN"T win a state championship. It's called reality folks! I am a Tiger fan but they are a long way from competing for a state championship with the enrollment numbers as compared to the Iggys and X's just to name a couple. And enough of this hiring "former" Tiger(s) as a head coach. Last I checked there were a few former Tigers on the current staff and they are all good coaches, why not try hiring the BEST canidate?????? To me there is too many former players on this forum who think they can "turn around" this program. Newsflash! You can't just walk into a high school program with relatively no experience and think that you can win. Ohio high school football is way too tough. This program is in not of need of being turned around. 2 years ago in the state finals, last year 2nd round playoffs, this year 6-4 with a above average but not great team. Until the program rearranges the schedule or joins a league, they are going to struggle against the bigger schools-Iggy, Mentor, St.Eds, Xavier's , Moeller's. The goal for every team is to win the state championship correct?? Well 6-4 in the Fed this year would of got you into the playoffs and then ANYTHING can happen once the playoffs start. Gettin into the playoffs is part of the goal so why not look into that route that would get your team in? Btw I agree 100% that the tigers do need a coach that WOULD be allowed longer tenure and not these 3-4 years and your out.

Im sorry, but did you say "every coach who walks in here" and that you are a "Tiger Fan". Kinda weird that you have so many opinions but yet on another site you are a HUGE NC Hoover and Glenoak backer. You have made enough disrespectful comments towards Massillon. Leave Tiger issues to Tigers. Oh, and btw, dont say that you cant walk into a high school program with "relatively no expecrience and think you can win" (your exact words) because it happens all the time and happened this year in Ohio at many different schools....Do you need examples? If so... Colerain (1st Year Head Coach), GlenOak (1st Year Head Coach) and Lexington(2nd Year Head Coach) this year and Brush(4th year Head Coach, 2nd at Brush) last year. Need More examples? Take your agenda somewhere else.

[TigerCoach]

Your right it won't EVER happen b/c of some of the people and fans of Massillon, who think they know football, try to run out every coach that comes here and DOESN"T win a state championship. It's called reality folks! I am a Tiger fan but they are a long way from competing for a state championship with the enrollment numbers as compared to the Iggys and X's just to name a couple. And enough of this hiring "former" Tiger(s) as a head coach. Last I checked there were a few former Tigers on the current staff and they are all good coaches, why not try hiring the BEST canidate?????? To me there is too many former players on this forum who think they can "turn around" this program. Newsflash! You can't just walk into a high school program with relatively no experience and think that you can win. Ohio high school football is way too tough. This program is in not of need of being turned around. 2 years ago in the state finals, last year 2nd round playoffs, this year 6-4 with a above average but not great team. Until the program rearranges the schedule or joins a league, they are going to struggle against the bigger schools-Iggy, Mentor, St.Eds, Xavier's , Moeller's. The goal for every team is to win the state championship correct?? Well 6-4 in the Fed this year would of got you into the playoffs and then ANYTHING can happen once the playoffs start. Gettin into the playoffs is part of the goal so why not look into that route that would get your team in? Btw I agree 100% that the tigers do need a coach that WOULD be allowed longer tenure and not these 3-4 years and your out.

Questions:

1) Why would joining a league make the Tigers more competitive against Iggy, Mentor, Ed's and X?
2) If the Tigers were in the Fed last year, who would have beaten them to make them 6-4. Please don't say Hoover, Lake, Glenoak, Perry or Jackson, that's like saying Hawaii can beat a BCS team because they were 12-0 this year.
3) If the Tigers are a "long way from competing for the state championship", how far is it between your head and your ASS? (Answer: about 1 inch.) We lost to St.X by 7 points and a fluke punt return just 2 years ago.

[Banks]

Apples to oranges dude! he was in a recruiting war with St. X---lose-lose situation for him right now! Just keep making excuses for everyone in the program from the BOE to the coaches to the players---EVERYONE needs a reality check in the program!


Monte

I just asked a question I was not comparing it to anything! This is the bad part of the Internet what people read into things.

[hitman]

Questions:

1) Why would joining a league make the Tigers more competitive against Iggy, Mentor, Ed's and X?
2) If the Tigers were in the Fed last year, who would have beaten them to make them 6-4. Please don't say Hoover, Lake, Glenoak, Perry or Jackson, that's like saying Hawaii can beat a BCS team because they were 12-0 this year.
3) If the Tigers are a "long way from competing for the state championship", how far is it between your head and your ASS? (Answer: about 1 inch.) We lost to St.X by 7 points and a fluke punt return just 2 years ago.

1. Never said that it would make them better they can't beat them anyways
2. Hoover, Lake, Perry, Boardman and MAYBE GlenOak. Then again WHY wouldn't they beat Massillon???? Heck McKinley should of beat them.
3. Yea great job that was one hell of a ride that will be remembered for a life time or till it is acheived agaiin.

[hitman]

WHo said they wanted to come in and be the HC to turn the program around? I know that a LEADER can demand discipline, play the best players, and have respect of the players! How many coaches or assts. know what goes on with the players after practice, anybody can teach x's and o's! You think all those 50+ year old assts. have the respect of the players knowing half are just patsies. Hard nosed young coaches for todays Massillon youth. You have to relat as well as have their respect!! I know former players who could have worked better with our oline, called better plays, made adjustments with defensive adjustments in the Mentor game, changed up the offensive sceme in the Solon and Normandy game to challenge their WEAK secondaries! Come on----the problem is 90% of paid assts. are teachers and really is not going to put in extra time after practice with the kids, contacting the 200+ Di and DI playoff teams for schollies. Alot of that stuff aint happening right now! I dont know but to me that blame is on our COACHING STAFF!!! We dont even build up the middle school programs like in the past------ it dont take 10-20 years of experience to change the flaws in the program---JUST HARD WORK and NO EXCUSES!!!! How many coaches even workout with the team anymore? Break down film during study halls with players, develop player profiles for colleges, etc,.... some people just dont get it but support the things completely wrong!

You have to able to get down and dirty with these kids, jump in butts often, and LOVE them like your own to win and be successful. On and off the firld I know these kids and that what it takes from the coach!!


I do agree with the fact that younger coaches (not in their 50's and 60's)would relate more to the players no doubt about it!

[hitman]

Im sorry, but did you say "every coach who walks in here" and that you are a "Tiger Fan". Kinda weird that you have so many opinions but yet on another site you are a HUGE NC Hoover and Glenoak backer. You have made enough disrespectful comments towards Massillon. Leave Tiger issues to Tigers. Oh, and btw, dont say that you cant walk into a high school program with "relatively no expecrience and think you can win" (your exact words) because it happens all the time and happened this year in Ohio at many different schools....Do you need examples? If so... Colerain (1st Year Head Coach), GlenOak (1st Year Head Coach) and Lexington(2nd Year Head Coach) this year and Brush(4th year Head Coach, 2nd at Brush) last year. Need More examples? Take your agenda somewhere else.



Didn't know that you couldn't root for more than 1 team in the area? I missed that memo! The fact that my step-mother is a Washington graduate, ALLOWS mw to root for the Tigers. Yes, I am a Hoover fan, my son went there and played football and baseball there and I live in Plain BUT it doesn't stop me from cheering for massillon. I am not a die hard but I am tired of hearing all of these "coaches" on here explaining and telling everyone what is wrong and how to fix it. I don't think that Coach Stacy and his staff is that clueless of a staff after reading what some of these people are saying. As for saying that you can't walk into a school and be successful? I was talking about non-football people and not coaches, those coaches listed did/do one heck of a job.

[hitman]

Questions:

1) Why would joining a league make the Tigers more competitive against Iggy, Mentor, Ed's and X?
2) If the Tigers were in the Fed last year, who would have beaten them to make them 6-4. Please don't say Hoover, Lake, Glenoak, Perry or Jackson, that's like saying Hawaii can beat a BCS team because they were 12-0 this year.
3) If the Tigers are a "long way from competing for the state championship", how far is it between your head and your ASS? (Answer: about 1 inch.) We lost to St.X by 7 points and a fluke punt return just 2 years ago.

At least you would be in the PLAYOFFS probably EVERY YEAR if you were in the Fed and being in the PLAYOFFS would lead you to a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!

And why were you better than those fed teams listed above????

And yes Hawaii will beat Georgia who is a BCS team!

[crackerman]

One thing to remember....not everyone on here bashes coaching staffs. In fact a lot of people Support Stacy and/or any staff here and some are mumm on the situation all together.

Just my opinion but your response to TigerCoach I believe proves that your not a Tiger Fan or you wouldnt of taken what I truly feel was cheap shots at the program. Again, just my opinion.

[hitman]

Cheap shots? Its called reality! I don't see the horrible problem of joining a league like the Fed. Why is the Fed always talked down?

[hitman]

One thing to remember....not everyone on here bashes coaching staffs. In fact a lot of people Support Stacy and/or any staff here and some are mumm on the situation all together.

Just my opinion but your response to TigerCoach I believe proves that your not a Tiger Fan or you wouldnt of taken what I truly feel was cheap shots at the program. Again, just my opinion.


I am sorry than whats a "True Tiger Fan"?

[hitman]

One thing to remember....not everyone on here bashes coaching staffs. In fact a lot of people Support Stacy and/or any staff here and some are mumm on the situation all together.

Just my opinion but your response to TigerCoach I believe proves that your not a Tiger Fan or you wouldnt of taken what I truly feel was cheap shots at the program. Again, just my opinion.


Do you support Coach Stacy?

[Red50Go]

Cheap shots? Its called reality! I don't see the horrible problem of joining a league like the Fed. Why is the Fed always talked down?

I dont have a problem joining the Federal League. I have a problem w/ Fed Leauge wussies refusing to play us. We've applied twice have we not? I have a problem w/ Fed scums who talk down to US, tell US who to run out, tell US who to hire, how to run our program, and we buy it hook line & sinker - for nuthin! Well nuthin except a kinder, gentler, mediocre football team they think they can compete with.

[CarlE]

And yes Hawaii will beat Georgia who is a BCS team!

Once again I'll throw out a question that won't be answered.

What monetary value will you put on that statement, Einstein?

[crackerman]

Hitman, a couple of things:

1) I support what is best for the program. Stacy is the coach and until that changes otherwise, its a non-topic to me at this point.

2) You challenged me saying that you took cheap shots and you asked what is a "true" Tiger fan. Well according to your posts, your comments cover both. they were cheap shots AND a true Tiger fan would not say them.

You stated the following:
a) In response to TigerCoach asking you why joining a league would help the Tigers versus Iggie, Mentor, St. Ed's and X, you said "Never said it would make them better, they cant beat them anyways".
b) Then you went to say that 6 teams from the fed would of/could of/should of beaten the Tigers this past year.
c) You then made a comment about state title game versus X saying "yeah great job, that was a ride that will be remembered for a lifetime or until it is achieved again"

You really dont see those as cheap shots? You are the typical guy who gets on here to stir things up...and thats ok.....if your a Massillon guy. People on THIS site, dont want to hear from a Fed guy being negative or taking cheap shots...let alone a fan of a Fed team who's last couple of experiences versus the Tigers were over at halftime. FYI, I heard Billy R. just picked off another Hoover pass this week.

[Purple Hayes]

You think all those 50+ year old assts. have the respect of the players knowing half are just patsies. Hard nosed young coaches for todays Massillon youth.

Monte -

I do agree with much of your post however..do you think you'd call Steve Kovacs or Al Checca a "patsy"?

These guys (and Jack Rose) have the respect of their peers around the state and know their football. They aren't dumb. I know...I know guys that played for them and loved to play for them and RESPECTED them.

Or did I simply misread this?

I think one other thing that nobody on here addressed was that while everybody wants a coach to come in and invest his time at the lower levels,nobody has suggested a "formula", if you will, to determine how success is measured.

If the Varsity went 4-6 but the 7th and 8th graders were undefeated, would the fans consider this a success. Despite what people believe, when you are judged so much in the short-term, you manage your time and resources that way. Why invest in the 7th and 8th grade team when chances are you won't be around to reap the benefit?

[CATS44]

Success at the lower levels shouldnt be measured in Ws and Ls....but winning aint a bad thing...lol.

When kids get to HS and dont have proper technique, the system isnt in good shape.

When kids show up at the HS level and are ineligible, the system isnt in good shape.

When kids show up in HS with attitudes, the system isnt in good shape.

When you consistently end up with an overload of skill players in every class and a dearth of linemen, the system isnt in good shape.

When you consistently have turnover in coaches at every level, the system isnt in good shape.

When everybody from the head coach to the youngest volunteer seventh grade coach isnt on the same page, the system isnt in good shape.

[SuperBran]

When kids show up at the HS level and are ineligible, the system isnt in good shape.

i really hope you're not trying to blame the coaches for player ineligibility. if so, god forbid we actually put ANY blame on the parents for their kids underachieving in the classroom.

[Obie Wan]

i really hope you're not trying to blame the coaches for player ineligibility. if so, god forbid we actually put ANY blame on the parents for their kids underachieving in the classroom.
In the context of the football program, that's not at all unreasonable. The coaches don't have any responsibility for grades in general, but they do have a responsibility to make sure that the kids understand the importance of grades in relation to their participation in football. You can't make the kids get the grades, but it can be made very clear that kids who don't make the effort won't make the team.

It's all part of setting the standards and the level of commitment at an early age. By the time these kids make it to high school, they should know what is expected of them. Those who won't toe the line are best identified and dealt with early. Let me put it this way: it's far better to weed kids out in 8th grade than 12th.

[tiger51]

Wow...sometimes I read things and just have to wonder what type of person/reality that person is living in????

[SuperBran]

In the context of the football program, that's not at all unreasonable. The coaches don't have any responsibility for grades in general, but they do have a responsibility to make sure that the kids understand the importance of grades in relation to their participation in football.

so we just assume that since some kids are ineligible our coaches aren't speaking with them about the importance of grades?

the problem of ineligible kids isn't unique to massillon.

You can't make the kids get the grades, but it can be made very clear that kids who don't make the effort won't make the team.

again, this is based on the assumption that the coaches don't speak with the kids.

It's all part of setting the standards and the level of commitment at an early age. By the time these kids make it to high school, they should know what is expected of them. Those who won't toe the line are best identified and dealt with early. Let me put it this way: it's far better to weed kids out in 8th grade than 12th.

it all starts in the home. personally i don't think ANY kid should be ineligible. every kid should do well in the classroom. the problem is that there are many parents out there who take NO part in their kid's education. it's not just up to the football coaches to cure this problem. it's up to the families and the schools, who see these kids much more than the coaches do. if neither can get through to these kids, it would be foolish to think that the coaches should be able to.

the exisitence of ineligible kids is a failure of our school system as a whole. that includes EVERYONE.

didn't stacy specifically set up grade requirements or something similar?

[monte81]

Monte -

I do agree with much of your post however..do you think you'd call Steve Kovacs or Al Checca a "patsy"?

These guys (and Jack Rose) have the respect of their peers around the state and know their football. They aren't dumb. I know...I know guys that played for them and loved to play for them and RESPECTED them.

Or did I simply misread this?

I think one other thing that nobody on here addressed was that while everybody wants a coach to come in and invest his time at the lower levels,nobody has suggested a "formula", if you will, to determine how success is measured.

If the Varsity went 4-6 but the 7th and 8th graders were undefeated, would the fans consider this a success. Despite what people believe, when you are judged so much in the short-term, you manage your time and resources that way. Why invest in the 7th and 8th grade team when chances are you won't be around to reap the benefit?

I didn't say any coach in particular in my post! All I am saying is that young men need men in the program that they can relate and talk to about anything, someone that is going to push them over the top, grind them everyday until its complete, build them up to reach top potential, demand respect and LOVE them. That takes more than 2 hours on the practice field or a brief hello in the weight room or hallway! Now you get it!!! Like I said its more than X's and O's. How many boosters, supporters, coaches, etc,... are doing or going the extra mile for these kids--not financially but with positive time and energy to make a differance beyond the football field. Leaders lead 24 hours a day/7 days a week and I just feel that coaches if you take on that role then GO HARD OR GO HOME!!! A coach is a leader, parent, mentor, and role model to his players---you respect me more if you know I am in it for the good of the whole team!!! When the season is over who has their back then??

Our team is lacking respect, discipline, work ethic, and desire to be champions! I say that without a title myself but I have never played on a tiger team that quits, throws helmets, disrespects the team and community with NO REPROCUSSIONS from the LEADERSHIP on the staff!!! That all starts with Coach Stacy and filters down to everybody!! It starts with a coach giving full 100% time and effort into the program---and that takes more than a 3/4 year commitment that Coach Stacy is willing to give. If he has changed his mind and wants to remain the Tiger boss then I will support him 100% but some things still need corrected with the program as I highlighted above---PERIOD!!

I was a team leader as a MassillonTiger, Squad Leader and Insructor in the Army for 8 years, coach Pop Warner now(c-bus does not have junior high football), experienced highs and lows of life, made mistakes, and still am a LEADER! Some of us can bring positive to the program if given the chance! I have no desire to be the HC of the Massillon Tigers: 1. Because I only have HC experience at the 13 year old grade level here in Columbus(7th and 8th graders), and 2. because I am a defensive minded coach!! However, I do have some qaulities to be a great LIFELONG ASSISTANT FOR OUR PROGRAM because I am a leader, motivator, can evaluate talent and know defensive scemes and packages to win football games!!!! I would be fully dedicated to the job and the kids of the Massillon Tiger program.

[Tiger54]

WHo said they wanted to come in and be the HC to turn the program around? I know that a LEADER can demand discipline, play the best players, and have respect of the players! How many coaches or assts. know what goes on with the players after practice, anybody can teach x's and o's! You think all those 50+ year old assts. have the respect of the players knowing half are just patsies. Hard nosed young coaches for todays Massillon youth. You have to relat as well as have their respect!! I know former players who could have worked better with our oline, called better plays, made adjustments with defensive adjustments in the Mentor game, changed up the offensive sceme in the Solon and Normandy game to challenge their WEAK secondaries! Come on----the problem is 90% of paid assts. are teachers and really is not going to put in extra time after practice with the kids, contacting the 200+ Di and DI playoff teams for schollies. Alot of that stuff aint happening right now! I dont know but to me that blame is on our COACHING STAFF!!! We dont even build up the middle school programs like in the past------ it dont take 10-20 years of experience to change the flaws in the program---JUST HARD WORK and NO EXCUSES!!!! How many coaches even workout with the team anymore? Break down film during study halls with players, develop player profiles for colleges, etc,.... some people just dont get it but support the things completely wrong!

You have to able to get down and dirty with these kids, jump in butts often, and LOVE them like your own to win and be successful. On and off the firld I know these kids and that what it takes from the coach!!
What an absolutely wonderful post! SOME people on here want to accuse the Massillon fans of continually running the coaches out of town---if we had a coach like you are describing above, you wouldn't have anyone making that comment. How long has it been since we had a coach like that? You have to coach, discipline (EVEN-handedly), and love 'em. Is that an impossible request?

[Tiger54]

Monte -

I do agree with much of your post however..do you think you'd call Steve Kovacs or Al Checca a "patsy"?

These guys (and Jack Rose) have the respect of their peers around the state and know their football. They aren't dumb. I know...I know guys that played for them and loved to play for them and RESPECTED them.

Or did I simply misread this?

I think one other thing that nobody on here addressed was that while everybody wants a coach to come in and invest his time at the lower levels,nobody has suggested a "formula", if you will, to determine how success is measured.

If the Varsity went 4-6 but the 7th and 8th graders were undefeated, would the fans consider this a success. Despite what people believe, when you are judged so much in the short-term, you manage your time and resources that way. Why invest in the 7th and 8th grade team when chances are you won't be around to reap the benefit?
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I watched Kovacs and Checca on the sidelines. They are real coaches who do their jobs very well. And are teachers of the game. Could anyone ever complain about our defense. Kovacs has been fantastic with us and Checca is great too. I'd hate to see either of them leave us.

[Tiger54]

I didn't say any coach in particular in my post! All I am saying is that young men need men in the program that they can relate and talk to about anything, someone that is going to push them over the top, grind them everyday until its complete, build them up to reach top potential, demand respect and LOVE them. That takes more than 2 hours on the practice field or a brief hello in the weight room or hallway! Now you get it!!! Like I said its more than X's and O's. How many boosters, supporters, coaches, etc,... are doing or going the extra mile for these kids--not financially but with positive time and energy to make a differance beyond the football field. Leaders lead 24 hours a day/7 days a week and I just feel that coaches if you take on that role then GO HARD OR GO HOME!!! A coach is a leader, parent, mentor, and role model to his players---you respect me more if you know I am in it for the good of the whole team!!! When the season is over who has their back then??

Our team is lacking respect, discipline, work ethic, and desire to be champions! I say that without a title myself but I have never played on a tiger team that quits, throws helmets, disrespects the team and community with NO REPROCUSSIONS from the LEADERSHIP on the staff!!! That all starts with Coach Stacy and filters down to everybody!! It starts with a coach giving full 100% time and effort into the program---and that takes more than a 3/4 year commitment that Coach Stacy is willing to give. If he has changed his mind and wants to remain the Tiger boss then I will support him 100% but some things still need corrected with the program as I highlighted above---PERIOD!!

I was a team leader as a MassillonTiger, Squad Leader and Insructor in the Army for 8 years, coach Pop Warner now(c-bus does not have junior high football), experienced highs and lows of life, made mistakes, and still am a LEADER! Some of us can bring positive to the program if given the chance! I have no desire to be the HC of the Massillon Tigers: 1. Because I only have HC experience at the 13 year old grade level here in Columbus(7th and 8th graders), and 2. because I am a defensive minded coach!! However, I do have some qaulities to be a great LIFELONG ASSISTANT FOR OUR PROGRAM because I am a leader, motivator, can evaluate talent and know defensive scemes and packages to win football games!!!! I would be fully dedicated to the job and the kids of the Massillon Tiger program.
If Stacy has changed his mind about the 3-4 year statement, I would say it is only because he has NOT been offered another job. If we were to offer him another contract on that basis, we would be crazy because the first offer he would get, he would be out of here. And then, where would that leave the program. Just look at the timing of the departure of the previous band director. We were very fortunate to get a quality person like Mr Neel.

[SuperBran]

SOME people on here want to accuse the Massillon fans of continually running the coaches out of town

what are we doing to stacy?
what did we do to shepas?
what did we do to rose?
what did we do to maronto?
what did we do to currence?

accuse massillon of running coaches out.......or acknowledge that massillon runs coaches out?

You have to coach, discipline (EVEN-handedly), and love 'em. Is that an impossible request?

so who would youre vote go to?

[Banks]

If Stacy has changed his mind about the 3-4 year statement, I would say it is only because he has NOT been offered another job. If we were to offer him another contract on that basis, we would be crazy because the first offer he would get, he would be out of here. And then, where would that leave the program. Just look at the timing of the departure of the previous band director. We were very fortunate to get a quality person like Mr Neel.

One thing we need to stop then is letting coaches out of their contrats.

[OTC TIGER]

I I have a problem w/ Fed scums who talk down to US, tell US who to run out, tell US who to hire, how to run our program, and we buy it hook line & sinker - for nuthin! Well nuthin except a kinder, gentler, mediocre football team they think they can compete with.

Well said...What's worse is they have US convinced to take out their trash
..:huh:

[RRanger]

If it is a pre-requisite to knowing something about the sport then I would have to say NO he didnt play football.

hey, hot shoot know it all,you would not know a teacher if they bit you in the ass, GO TIGER'S

[CarlE]

hey, hot shoot know it all,you would not know a teacher if they bit you in the ass, GO TIGER'S

Now wasn't THAT intelligent. Nice one.

[Obie Wan]

so we just assume that since some kids are ineligible our coaches aren't speaking with them about the importance of grades?
I don't have to assume jack - because it's clear to anyone with a double-digit IQ that the importance of academics as a prerequisite for athletic participation is not being stressed. Eligibility need not be determined according to grading period - it could just as easily be done weekly. Kids will eventually get the message that they need to either hit the books or hit the bricks. There's no doubt you'll lose some promising athletes as a result, but I'd posit you'll end up with a better class of athletes -- and a lot fewer unpleasant surprises. Both the kids in the program and the program itself will benefit.

the problem of ineligible kids isn't unique to massillon.
Specious logic being used to refute an unmade assertion.

it all starts in the home.
You fancy yourself a lawyer - look up 'in loco parentis'.

Sure, it's true that a lot of deadbeat parents abdicate their responsibilities. That's also irrelevant to the issue of athletic eligibility. It's not about the kids not making the grades at the end of the quarter - it's about the kids slacking off during the quarter. It's about a telling and unmistakable symptom of lack of dedication and commitment.

It seems like you you want to rationalize this behavior. I don't - I want to correct it. And more importantly, I believe it can be corrected. Pity you have so little faith in these kids that you've quit on them already.

[SuperBran]

I don't have to assume jack - because it's clear to anyone with a double-digit IQ that the importance of academics as a prerequisite for athletic participation is not being stressed.

and it's clear to anyone with a double-digit IQ that just b/c a kid is ineligible it doesn't automatically mean that the coach doesn't stress academics. you're assuming that every kid who gets the talk will automatically take it to heart and get good grades. there are kids who simply don't care, no matter how many times you speak with them. i witnessed this when i was in high school, and i'm sure you have too.

You fancy yourself a lawyer - look up 'in loco parentis'.

Sure, it's true that a lot of deadbeat parents abdicate their responsibilities. That's also irrelevant to the issue of athletic eligibility. It's not about the kids not making the grades at the end of the quarter - it's about the kids slacking off during the quarter. It's about a telling and unmistakable symptom of lack of dedication and commitment.

i'm quite aware of the term. i also don't believe that this principle should be an excuse to remove blame from the parents. "in loco parentis" doesn't mean "take it easy b/c we'll do everything for you."

how is it irrelevant to the issue of athletic eligibility????? if parents would actually spend time and get involved with their kids and their school work, this problem wouldn't be so prevalent. if parents took an interest in what their kids are and are not doing each day when they are not in the classroom then this wouldn't be such a big issue.

It seems like you you want to rationalize this behavior. I don't - I want to correct it. And more importantly, I believe it can be corrected.

i believe it can be corrected as well, but the parents HAVE to be more involved. to put this burden solely on the teacher and coaches is asinine. my point is that it's absolutely ridiculous to make a coach a scapegoat for a kid being ineligible. EVERYONE has to step it up

Pity you have so little faith in these kids that you've quit on them already.

when have i said that i have little faith in these kids???

you seem to be saying that the school/coaches should be primarily responsible. i'm saying that the parents should be primarily responsible. if you take my argument to mean that i've given up on these kids, then how is your argument any better?

[Obie Wan]

you're assuming that every kid who gets the talk will automatically take it to heart and get good grades.
Right. That's exactly what I meant when I wrote this: "There's no doubt you'll lose some promising athletes as a result..." :wall:

In any event, you're missing the point - which is that coaches are certainly responsible for setting and adhering to standards of behavior and achievement as they relate to athletic participation. I don't recall ever saying that the coaches were responsible for making sure the kids meet those standards. That's not a particularly subtle distinction, but it seems to be lost on some.

[SuperBran]

Right. That's exactly what I meant when I wrote this: "There's no doubt you'll lose some promising athletes as a result..." :wall:

perhaps it's because you wrote:

"it's clear to anyone with a double-digit IQ that the importance of academics as a prerequisite for athletic participation is not being stressed."

how is it clear that it's not being stressed? simply b/c the fact that we have kids who are ineligible?

if you have firsthand knowledge that coaches aren't speaking to their players about the importance of good grades, then i agree that we have a problem with the system; however, i've heard nothing that proves that this is the case.

In any event, you're missing the point - which is that coaches are certainly responsible for setting and adhering to standards of behavior and achievement as they relate to athletic participation.

i understand that point and wholeheartedly agree.

I don't recall ever saying that the coaches were responsible for making sure the kids meet those standards. That's not a particularly subtle distinction, but it seems to be lost on some.

my point is how do we know that coaches aren't setting and ashering to standards of achievement? didn't stacy specifically set up a GPA requirement or something similar?

my point isn't that coaches shouldn't be involved. rather, i believe that everyone needs to be more involved, especially parents. i think it's great if the coaches set standards. i think it's better when parents work their butts off to meet those standards. perhaps if parents were more involved coaches wouldn't have to set standards b/c they'd always be met.

[CarlE]

Guys, I swear I don't think you are that far apart on this topic. It seems you are ALMOST saying the same thing, although I am TRULY enjoying the vocabulary lesson my feeble mind is getting today!!!! :tounge:

[harper93]

i believe when owens was here that he had weekly eligibility from all teachers reports sent to him for every varsity football player. guess that would be a good way too head off ineligibility!

[OTC TIGER]

It seems you are ALMOST saying the same thing, although I am TRULY enjoying the vocabulary lesson my feeble mind is getting today!!!! :tounge:

Oh Balderdash...:jestera:

[SuperBran]

Guys, I swear I don't think you are that far apart on this topic. It seems you are ALMOST saying the same thing, although I am TRULY enjoying the vocabulary lesson my feeble mind is getting today!!!! :tounge:

i think you're right, carl. i think we're just sitting on two different sides of the same rainbow.................but not in THAT way. LOL.

[Kamd50]

Admitting upfront that there are other issues concerning the team and/or players that I do not believe were handled in the appropriate manner, this is not one of them.

Having a kid in the program, I can honestly say that the importance of good grades has been stressed all along at the highschool. And, in fact, before they even got there. Coach Stacy does visit the kids at the middle school to specifically talk to the players about the importance of their grades and their behavior. And the middleschool coaches reitterate that to the kids during the season. That is a fact.

Further, his coaches were always checking up on the kids' grades all season. And, to my pleasant surprise, even now that football is over, they are still checking up on them and personally staying on them about keeping their grades up; including weekly study table. So this is one that I have to give Stacy credit for. And agree, that there are just some kids and parents alike, that do not care or think that this somehow doesn't apply to them.

[SuperBran]

Admitting upfront that there are other issues concerning the team and/or players that I do not believe were handled in the appropriate manner, this is not one of them.

Having a kid in the program, I can honestly say that the importance of good grades has been stressed all along at the highschool. And, in fact, before they even got there. Coach Stacy does visit the kids at the middle school to specifically talk to the players about the importance of their grades and their behavior. And the middleschool coaches reitterate that to the kids during the season. That is a fact.

Further, his coaches were always checking up on the kids' grades all season. And, to my pleasant surprise, even now that football is over, they are still checking up on them and personally staying on them about keeping their grades up; including weekly study table. So this is one that I have to give Stacy credit for. And agree, that there are just some kids and parents alike, that do not care or think that this somehow doesn't apply to them.


thanks for the information! i'm VERY glad to hear that our coaches are working hard to help our athlete students (i like that term better than "student athletes") recognize the importance of good grades.

[LLRose]

Admitting upfront that there are other issues concerning the team and/or players that I do not believe were handled in the appropriate manner, this is not one of them.

Having a kid in the program, I can honestly say that the importance of good grades has been stressed all along at the highschool. And, in fact, before they even got there. Coach Stacy does visit the kids at the middle school to specifically talk to the players about the importance of their grades and their behavior. And the middleschool coaches reitterate that to the kids during the season. That is a fact.

Further, his coaches were always checking up on the kids' grades all season. And, to my pleasant surprise, even now that football is over, they are still checking up on them and personally staying on them about keeping their grades up; including weekly study table. So this is one that I have to give Stacy credit for. And agree, that there are just some kids and parents alike, that do not care or think that this somehow doesn't apply to them.

I appreciate your comments and my post is NOT directed at you........

It is an absolute shame that you had to verify that Tom and his staff monitor academic progress.

Many on this site have painted Tom as some sort of idiot that doesn't know football, lets the players do what ever they want, doesn't care about the players as human beings and turns a blind eye to academic progress.

You know who you are. You're completely ignorant to what is going on.

This is yet another example of the cultural change that must occur for the Tiger program to get to the next level.

[Obie Wan]

This is yet another example of the cultural change that must occur for the Tiger program to get to the next level.
Did you notice the hiring process for the new Super? People on this site ain't the problem.

[TigerSupport]

You're absolutely right - there wasn't a hiring process.

[LLRose]

Did you notice the hiring process for the new Super? People on this site ain't the problem.

Off topic

[Obie Wan]

Off topic

Out of touch.

[monte81]

I appreciate your comments and my post is NOT directed at you........

It is an absolute shame that you had to verify that Tom and his staff monitor academic progress.

Many on this site have painted Tom as some sort of idiot that doesn't know football, lets the players do what ever they want, doesn't care about the players as human beings and turns a blind eye to academic progress.

You know who you are. You're completely ignorant to what is going on.

This is yet another example of the cultural change that must occur for the Tiger program to get to the next level.


WHAT??? I cannot say Coach Stacy knows nothing about football but he is definitely soft in the discpline of our football team. THAT IS A PROBLEM for many of us to except or take in without saying something! We can take a lose if it is done with pride and dignity as long as our staff puts our team in the best position to win football games! No helmet tossing, non shaking of opponents hands, smoking weed, no curfews or team regulations enforced, missing practice, school, and workouts, etc,... not to mention the fact that our coaches continue to play players out of position for no apparent reason!

Tell me LLRose---is this not the HC and assistants ultimate responsibility?

The team GPA's have been solid the past 3 years but could easily be masked by some steller academic performances a few. Each indiviual GPA should at least a 2.5 unless in a special needs classes. It is a privlege to play sports and some forget that aspect of HS sports.
Individual GPA guidelines should be for each player IMO)