Job as Tiger Coach a Second Choice

[CATS44]

This is exactly why Coach Stacy should be asked to resign ASAP.

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=22741&r=0&Category=2

"He admitted afterwards that he still maintained the stance he took when he was hired, that he was still interested in returning to college football – he coached at the University of Akron and Ashland University with former Tiger coach Lee Owens prior to coming to Massillon. However, he also reaffirmed a desire to be the Tiger coach should no such collegiate opportunity present itself."

The Massillon job is his fall back position. Just what we dont need.

Lets find a real coach that WANTS to be the coach of the Massillon Tigers.

If I was on the BOE, Id have suggested that we non renew him on the spot. His stance is an insult.

[Benchboss1]

I totally agree Cats. That is total BS. If this BOE supports this kind of thinking, then our program is at an all time low!!:cry:

[SuperBran]

I totally agree Cats. That is total BS. If this BOE supports this kind of thinking, then our program is at an all time low!!:cry:


IF the boe supports this thinking? try DID and HAS supported this thinking. they knew his plans from the start. he specifically said that he wanted to be here 3-4 years then return to the collegiate ranks. that was no secret. now that he's reiterating the same position i'm not sure what the shock is to everyone. when he said that he wanted to be here 3-4 years, that pretty much meant that he'd be entertaining and considering college offers after that time......which also meant that after the time had passed the boe would either have to let him go or allow him to stay if he didn't receive any offers.

the point of my post is that i just don't see why this is so shocking. perhaps i'm just too tired and missed something. if we knew about this back then, then why are people caught off guard now?

[Obie Wan]

As unaccustomed as I am to being the voice of reason in any discussion, I will try.

1. No one should take affront at Stacy's continued stance that he wants to return to the college ranks. He said that from the beginning, and he has not wavered. He was up front and honest about it.
2. No one need ask for his resignation, as he is not under contract for next year. It need only be decided (soon and without undue fanfare or public spectacle) that he will not return next year. That decision can be made without his input or involvement.
3. We are already 3 years into Stacy's "3 to 4" year commitment. If we take him at his word (and there is no point in casting doubts on his integrity), he is (at most) one year removed from departure. This means that he is not, and will not be, a part of Massillon's long-term growth and prosperity.

Tom Stacy is a good and decent man. But being a good and decent man is simply not enough when filling a position that also requires dedication, commitment, and passion. If you believe that future starts now, every day that Stacy remains on the job is a day that we remain mired in the past.

A slow death benefits neither the condemned nor the executioner. It is time for the BOE to stand up for all of Massillon and bring this to an end. It is time to turn the page.

It is time to find the next coach of the Massillon Tigers.

[man2man]

The above post is indeed fair, especially considering the source. However, some facts remain:

1) As of today, Stacy is still under contract to MSC and is overseeing the football program.

2) As of today, he is the #1 choice to remain as head coach.

3) As of today, Blosser is still in position and carries significant influence. In fact, he has been asked to remain in an advisory/consultant role, including about the football program. He is clearly in favor of retaining Stacy.

4) Threads such as these in which those with little knowledge and no power try to dictate policy are largely exercises in ego delusion.

[massillon catholic]

This is exactly why Coach Stacy should be asked to resign ASAP.

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=22741&r=0&Category=2

However, he also reaffirmed a desire to be the Tiger coach should no such collegiate opportunity present itself."

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He should have been fired on the spot!:wtf: Sure, he'd like to be the tiger coach if it meant him not being unemployed. This bum has shown his true colors. BOE, FIRE HIM!!!

[Tiger54]

IF the boe supports this thinking? try DID and HAS supported this thinking. they knew his plans from the start. he specifically said that he wanted to be here 3-4 years then return to the collegiate ranks. that was no secret. now that he's reiterating the same position i'm not sure what the shock is to everyone. when he said that he wanted to be here 3-4 years, that pretty much meant that he'd be entertaining and considering college offers after that time......which also meant that after the time had passed the boe would either have to let him go or allow him to stay if he didn't receive any offers.

the point of my post is that i just don't see why this is so shocking. perhaps i'm just too tired and missed something. if we knew about this back then, then why are people caught off guard now?
Maybe the great number of people thought that we would have a wonderful 3-4 years. It has been anything but that. It is time for this man to go for many, many reasons, the greatest of which is that he does not and never did have the interest of the Massillon Tigers and the community at heart. We deserve better!

[Red50Go]

He dont need to be fired. Just not renewed. Who or why would you renew someone looking for another job? Especially as boldly as that! My gosh. Superbran, maybe I am sleepy too, please explain that one. And yes, he was upfront about a 3 year contract, and the BOE was as WRONG to hire him them as they would be today. Agree or Disagree?

Does it surprise anyone why our feeder system, player development, and discipline has declined? What investement could he possibly have in any of it? Is this why we need a full-time AD? Cuz Stacy is so busy? All he does is coach this years varsity and ZERO else. Not a good bang for our (taxpayers) buck if you ask me.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

You guys are talking about the one person who took Massillon to their peak in 2005 and need to ease up. I have a deal of respect for Stacy and his forceful approach to the game.

He led with force...and won with force. Massillon played forceful football under the 48-year-old leader (who will be 49 January 4th). And now everyone wants to crucify the 2005 Ohio Division I coach of the year.

I don't believe what I'm seeing. I'm one more negative post about Stacy away from putting a gun to my head after seeing some of the posts on here :puke: .

[SuperBran]

As unaccustomed as I am to being the voice of reason in any discussion, I will try.

1. No one should take affront at Stacy's continued stance that he wants to return to the college ranks. He said that from the beginning, and he has not wavered. He was up front and honest about it.
2. No one need ask for his resignation, as he is not under contract for next year. It need only be decided (soon and without undue fanfare or public spectacle) that he will not return next year. That decision can be made without his input or involvement.
3. We are already 3 years into Stacy's "3 to 4" year commitment. If we take him at his word (and there is no point in casting doubts on his integrity), he is (at most) one year removed from departure. This means that he is not, and will not be, a part of Massillon's long-term growth and prosperity.

Tom Stacy is a good and decent man. But being a good and decent man is simply not enough when filling a position that also requires dedication, commitment, and passion. If you believe that future starts now, every day that Stacy remains on the job is a day that we remain mired in the past.

A slow death benefits neither the condemned nor the executioner. It is time for the BOE to stand up for all of Massillon and bring this to an end. It is time to turn the page.

It is time to find the next coach of the Massillon Tigers.

great post.

Maybe the great number of people thought that we would have a wonderful 3-4 years. It has been anything but that. It is time for this man to go for many, many reasons, the greatest of which is that he does not and never did have the interest of the Massillon Tigers and the community at heart. We deserve better!

i understand the feelings many have for stacy right now, but i just don't understand why his statement is such a shock right now. like i said, at the very beginning he said that he wanted to move to the collegiate level in 3-4 years, and now he's just reiterating that same position. if this was the first time that he mentioned it then i could understand why it's such a shock; however, we've known his plan all along.

i agree with obie wan and red50go that there's no need to fire him when all you have to do is no re-sign him for next year.

[man2man]

You guys are talking about the one person who took Massillon to their peak in 2005 and need to ease up. I have a deal of respect for Stacy and his forceful approach to the game.

He led with force...and won with force. Massillon played forceful football under the 48-year-old leader (who will be 49 January 4th). And now everyone wants to crucify the 2005 Ohio Division I coach of the year.

I don't believe what I'm seeing. I'm one more negative post about Stacy away from putting a gun to my head after seeing some of the posts on here :puke: .

:thanx:

Reasonable people understand that there is a difference between preference issues (subjective likes and dislikes) and performace issues. 26 wins, 1 state championship runner-up, 1 regional championship, 3 wins against McKinley - all in his first 3 years. But that's not good enough for some?

[slider63]

The last coach that Massillon had take a team to the championship game was run out of town by the BOE and now you people want them to make that mistake again with the most recent coach to take us there. By the way the BOE members who were responsible for coach Currence's railroading were voted out at the first opportunity. Coach Stacy is also the only coach in our history to beat Iggy so this guy can coach. I for one hope that coach Stacy and the BOE get together asap and agree on what they are going to do so we can move on one way or the other. Slider, out!!!

[Tiger54]

The last coach that Massillon had take a team to the championship game was run out of town by the BOE and now you people want them to make that mistake again with the most recent coach to take us there. By the way the BOE members who were responsible for coach Currence's railroading were voted out at the first opportunity. Coach Stacy is also the only coach in our history to beat Iggy so this guy can coach. I for one hope that coach Stacy and the BOE get together asap and agree on what they are going to do so we can move on one way or the other. Slider, out!!!
Well, as a couple of posters on here have stated, the Tiger team became a different team after we lost Coach Huffman who did a great deal on the offensive side. So Coach Stacy was not totally responsible, obviously, for what happened during the 2005 season. The last two seasons have certainly indicated that. Do we want to go in the same direction as we did during the last two years---I think that most people would shout a resounding NO on that. We lost at least a couple of games during the past season completely due to the coaching---and the sideline behavior was unacceptable, also due to coaching.

[Red50Go]

The last coach that Massillon had take a team to the championship game was run out of town by the BOE and now you people want them to make that mistake again with the most recent coach to take us there. By the way the BOE members who were responsible for coach Currence's railroading were voted out at the first opportunity. Coach Stacy is also the only coach in our history to beat Iggy so this guy can coach. I for one hope that coach Stacy and the BOE get together asap and agree on what they are going to do so we can move on one way or the other. Slider, out!!!

I would not be opposed to Stacy renewing if he was committed to staying, in the long run, and developing a program from the bottom up. But he isn't. Currence was. Maybe the guy CAN coach, but w/out that committment, to the feeder system, developing from the bottom up, ie running similar offense & defense, structure (discipline), etc, you get what we got, I dont care how good you are. If this was Stacy's dream job and burning desire I think we would be a much stronger program, but you cant put a square peg in a round hole.

[SuperBran]

So Coach Stacy was not totally responsible, obviously, for what happened during the 2005 season.

so he's not totally responsible for the wins, but totally responsible for the losses?

We lost at least a couple of games during the past season completely due to the coaching

to be fair, EVERY coach loses games they shouldn't. it happens to even the best coaches.

[SuperBran]

I would not be opposed to Stacy renewing if he was committed to staying, in the long run, and developing a program from the bottom up. But he isn't. Currence was. Maybe the guy CAN coach, but w/out that committment, to the feeder system, developing from the bottom up, ie running similar offense & defense, structure (discipline), etc, you get what we got, I dont care how good you are. If this was Stacy's dream job and burning desire I think we would be a much stronger program, but you cant put a square peg in a round hole.

great post, and i agree. i think the worst part is that we're basically waiting for him to leave and then we'll have to start over.

on the one hand it's nice that he's been a straight shooter and has made his intentions known. we can now plan ahead and there's nothing in the dark. instead of having him suddenly leave and catch everyone off guard, we'll know what's going on and can plan accordingly. on the other hand, we do need a commitment to building the program instead of playing coaching musical chairs.

[cat]

ANSWER THIS? What coach in the past 30 years has taken this Massillon coach's position without the intent of moving on to a college position? This place is a stepping stone and we need long-term stability. Coach Shepas had the same goal.

[Red50Go]

ANSWER THIS? What coach in the past 30 years has taken this Massillon coach's position without the intent of moving on to a college position? This place is a stepping stone and we need long-term stability. Coach Shepas had the same goal.

None. Maybe Currence? But agreed. We need to change our hiring philosophy. CATS44 had a good post why we like these 3-5 year guys. It guarentees certain "boosters" (meddlers) will always get to run our program.

[TigerLily]

We have Coach Stacy saying who from the get-go said that he only planned on being here 3-4 years. Wants to go back to college coaching. He also has said that that this job is taking a tremendous toll on his family (something he should have thought about way sooner since he was here before). And I know this is a non-issue, but he did say he would move to Massillon (we still have the newspaper article quoting that) and did not feel the need to commit that far. And the other problems that have been discussed on here. He has had accomplishments, but we have to start weighing good and bad and start thinking what’s good for Massillon long-term.

We have Fred Blosser who is resigning after 2 years on a 3-year contract. He says because of family reasons.

Now does it sound like either one of these gentlemen really have the long-term interest of Massillon football and schools at heart?

And, why would Blosser have such power in the decision to keep the current coach or on hiring a new one? He has only been here two years and is jumping ship. I just don’t understand this one -- maybe someone else out there can explain it.

This is what we have here. A coach who really wants to go, but needs a job until he can maybe find his college job. A superintendent, who does not want to fulfill his obligation to the school system, but still wants his say in our future on who our coach should be.

And, I’m not being negative here -- actually positive. Coach wants to go to a college and that’s fine. Mr. Blosser wants to be with his family and that’s fine. We want to have a coach to stay and build and win. We want a superintendent to stay and build and win.
The sooner we start -- the better.

I hope everyone gets what they want for Christmas.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=Red50Go;88283] If this was Stacy's dream job and burning desire I think we would be a much stronger program,QUOTE]

This IMO, is the statement of this post and many others...This is not Tom's
dream job...which is O.K. but we must find that guy...I believe Jim Tressel's dream job was OSU..he has a passion to coach there and has no desire to jump to the NFL..also does anybody think that Michigan would hire anybody that would say I have a desire to coach in the NFL in 3-4 years..

Program is a key word here as well...it is the by-product of what you see on
Friday night

[Marie]

We have Coach Stacy saying who from the get-go said that he only planned on being here 3-4 years. Wants to go back to college coaching. He also has said that that this job is taking a tremendous toll on his family (something he should have thought about way sooner since he was here before). And I know this is a non-issue, but he did say he would move to Massillon (we still have the newspaper article quoting that) and did not feel the need to commit that far. And the other problems that have been discussed on here. He has had accomplishments, but we have to start weighing good and bad and start thinking what’s good for Massillon long-term.

We have Fred Blosser who is resigning after 2 years on a 3-year contract. He says because of family reasons.

Now does it sound like either one of these gentlemen really have the long-term interest of Massillon football and schools at heart?

And, why would Blosser have such power in the decision to keep the current coach or on hiring a new one? He has only been here two years and is jumping ship. I just don’t understand this one -- maybe someone else out there can explain it.

This is what we have here. A coach who really wants to go, but needs a job until he can maybe find his college job. A superintendent, who does not want to fulfill his obligation to the school system, but still wants his say in our future on who our coach should be.

And, I’m not being negative here -- actually positive. Coach wants to go to a college and that’s fine. Mr. Blosser wants to be with his family and that’s fine. We want to have a coach to stay and build and win. We want a superintendent to stay and build and win.
The sooner we start -- the better.

I hope everyone gets what they want for Christmas.

Agree! Agree! Agree!

[SuperBran]

[QUOTE]This is not Tom's
dream job...which is O.K. but we must find that guy.

it would be great to have someone who's dream job is to coach at massillon; HOWEVER, it's easier said than done. in today's game you just don't see coaches staying a long time. good coaches are offered better jobs, which are usually too good to pass up.

[SternRulz]

IF the boe supports this thinking? try DID and HAS supported this thinking. they knew his plans from the start. he specifically said that he wanted to be here 3-4 years then return to the collegiate ranks. that was no secret. now that he's reiterating the same position i'm not sure what the shock is to everyone. when he said that he wanted to be here 3-4 years, that pretty much meant that he'd be entertaining and considering college offers after that time......which also meant that after the time had passed the boe would either have to let him go or allow him to stay if he didn't receive any offers.

the point of my post is that i just don't see why this is so shocking. perhaps i'm just too tired and missed something. if we knew about this back then, then why are people caught off guard now?

The shock to me is that he's dumb enough to say it, actually.

[massillon catholic]

The shock to me is that he's dumb enough to say it, actually.


He was dumb enough to keep running up the middle. Did you expect anything differant now?

[SternRulz]

Not trying to stir anything up...just a question.

His statement from the beginning was he only wanted to be here a few years and then move on, right? How many posters that are screaming about this now, found it to be a problem from the beginning? Were you still P.O.d about it when they were in the title game, or didn't you care then?

[RRanger]

The above post is indeed fair, especially considering the source. However, some facts remain:

1) As of today, Stacy is still under contract to MSC and is overseeing the football program.

2) As of today, he is the #1 choice to remain as head coach.

3) As of today, Blosser is still in position and carries significant influence. In fact, he has been asked to remain in an advisory/consultant role, including about the football program. He is clearly in favor of retaining Stacy.

4) Threads such as these in which those with little knowledge and no power try to dictate policy are largely exercises in ego delusion.

I agree

[Seeker]

We are not discussing potential replacements.

http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779

[Striker300]

He is not the first Tiger coach to have higher aspirations. Actually I can only find reference to 3 who did not move on to college jobs. Augie Morningstar, who stayed on at WHS, Elwood Kammer, who also stayed at WHS as a teacher and basketball coach, and Chuck Shuff, who retired to pursue personal endeavors. Paul Brown himself said the only job he wanted more was at OSU, which is a direct quote from massillontigers.com in the Massillon history section.

[SternRulz]

Devil's Advocate...

It's been mentioned that the Massillon Head coaching job may be a dream job to some. If those people (no names) are currently in other positions, how is that different than Stacy having his "dream job" aspirations? Are those people waiting to get called to Massillon someday like Stacy is to the college ranks? If they would leave their current position to come to Massillon, how is it different than what Stacy wants to do?

[Mass6]

Because this is MassillonProud. We are selfish in the aspect that we only care about those who dream and want to be at Massillon. Not many of us care more about a coaches aspirations elsewhere, unless it is to Massillon.

[macguy]

Devil's Advocate...

It's been mentioned that the Massillon Head coaching job may be a dream job to some. If those people (no names) are currently in other positions, how is that different than Stacy having his "dream job" aspirations? Are those people waiting to get called to Massillon someday like Stacy is to the college ranks? If they would leave their current position to come to Massillon, how is it different than what Stacy wants to do?

:iagree:

[SuperBran]

Because this is MassillonProud. We are selfish in the aspect that we only care about those who dream and want to be at Massillon. Not many of us care more about a coaches aspirations elsewhere, unless it is to Massillon.

and how many coaches are we going to find who only dream about massillon and wouldn't even consider moving up and/or taking a better job? good luck finding that guy.

the reality is that no matter who we have as a coach, there's no guarantee they'll be here for a long time, ESPECIALLY if they are YOUNG successful coaches. nowadays successful coaches get offers that are hard to refuse.

[Striker300]

And Mass6 I suppose the quote by Paul Brown made him non-loyal to Massillon? When he was coaching here and said the only job he wanted more was at OSU? Just because you want something else does not mean you will not give your all to the program you work for now. If you wanted a better job would you work less hard? I don't think so!

[Mass6]

And Mass6 I suppose the quote by Paul Brown made him non-loyal to Massillon? When he was coaching here and said the only job he wanted more was at OSU? Just because you want something else does not mean you will not give your all to the program you work for now. If you wanted a better job would you work less hard? I don't think so!

Who said anything about loyalty?? All I did was answer Sternz question about people not caring about what Stacy's "dream job" is. I just stated that people care more about what Massillon wants and not what Coach Stacy wants. I didn't say anyone doesn't deserve to have their dream job or work less hard. Read what I wrote about why people care more for the good of Massillon than the good of Coach Stacy. Not that people don't care for Coach Stacy, just that they care more about Massillon.

[Mass6]

and how many coaches are we going to find who only dream about massillon and wouldn't even consider moving up and/or taking a better job? good luck finding that guy.

the reality is that no matter who we have as a coach, there's no guarantee they'll be here for a long time, ESPECIALLY if they are YOUNG successful coaches. nowadays successful coaches get offers that are hard to refuse.

Never said we were going to find them or if they wouldn't eventually want to move up, just that we should care more about those who want to be here as opposed to Sternz question about Coach Stacy's dreams.

[SternRulz]

The irony is that one guy does it (leaves current job for his dream job) and his name is mud. Another guy does it and he's great. Hmmmmmm.

I guess the only difference is the guy named Mud would be leaving Massillon, and Mr. Wonderful would be coming to Massillon.

:rock:

Just generalizations, BTW.

[Striker300]

Mass6, you are correct, I indeed misunderstood your post, and am sorry for that. Other posts in this thread have suggested the feeling of not putting his all into it, but not yours. Again very sorry.

[Mass6]

Mass6, you are correct, I indeed misunderstood your post, and am sorry for that. Other posts in this thread have suggested the feeling of not putting his all into it, but not yours. Again very sorry.

Not a problem at all. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.

[Mass6]

The irony is that one guy does it (leaves current job for his dream job) and his name is mud. Another guy does it and he's great. Hmmmmmm.

:rock:

Depends on who you pull for. I will not venture away from my loyalty to Massillon, so with that said I don't care as much about Coach's dream job, as I do a person who's dream is to coach Massillon.

[aspTIGER]

i don't think there is any talk about stacy leaving for a "dream job", is there? it's just talk about leaving for any college job. that is a very big distinction. he also left a college job to come here, so no doubt his "dream" was to turn this position into a top assistant position at a major school or head coach of smaller program. are those even options for him at this point? is coaching at findlay really his dream job?? lets not confuse what he is considering with paul browns dream of being the head coach at OSU. doesn't sound like stacy is actually shooting for the moon to consider leaving here.

[SuperBran]

i don't think there is any talk about stacy leaving for a "dream job", is there? it's just talk about leaving for any college job. that is a very big distinction. he also left a college job to come here, so no doubt his "dream" was to turn this position into a top assistant position at a major school or head coach of smaller program. are those even options for him at this point? is coaching at findlay really his dream job?? lets not confuse what he is considering with paul browns dream of being the head coach at OSU. doesn't sound like stacy is actually shooting for the moon to consider leaving here.

perhaps stacy's "dream" is to be a college head football coach. perhaps it's to be one at a major program and therefore he's hoping to catch on as an assistant at a top program.

a "dream" job is not always a job at a specific place.

[SternRulz]

i don't think there is any talk about stacy leaving for a "dream job", is there? it's just talk about leaving for any college job. that is a very big distinction. he also left a college job to come here, so no doubt his "dream" was to turn this position into a top assistant position at a major school or head coach of smaller program. are those even options for him at this point? is coaching at findlay really his dream job?? lets not confuse what he is considering with paul browns dream of being the head coach at OSU. doesn't sound like stacy is actually shooting for the moon to consider leaving here.

Okay...fair enough...let's use the term "greater aspirations" rather than dream job then.

[Mass6]

i don't think there is any talk about stacy leaving for a "dream job", is there? it's just talk about leaving for any college job. that is a very big distinction. he also left a college job to come here, so no doubt his "dream" was to turn this position into a top assistant position at a major school or head coach of smaller program. are those even options for him at this point? is coaching at findlay really his dream job?? lets not confuse what he is considering with paul browns dream of being the head coach at OSU. doesn't sound like stacy is actually shooting for the moon to consider leaving here.

The "dream job" for Stacy was a hypothetical question posed by Stern Rulz. Just for discussion, not stating fact. We are just commenting on the hypothetical question that was posed. Please read all of the thread.

[CATS44]

Times have changed. Unfortunately, some who dont realize that use long ago examples to reinforce untenable positions.

For the most part, the elite football programs of yesteryear were run by very young coaches who expected to move upward into high profile collegiate jobs.

Names like Brown, Schwartzwalder, Mollenkopf, Mather, Nehlen. Back in those days high profile HS programs were training camps and stepping stones for college.

Today the elite HS programs for the most part are directed by very fine HS coaches who want to be HS coaches.

Names like Reno, Reed, Niswonger.

But our continued resistance to long term coaches keeps the elite coaches from applying...and when one happens to apply, he is quickly shown the door.

[massillon catholic]

Today the elite HS programs for the most part are directed by very fine HS coaches who want to be HS coaches.

Names like Reno, Reed, Niswonger.

.

We could have had two of the three and our fine administrators "blew it"

[Tigers376]

Times have changed. Unfortunately, some who dont realize that use long ago examples to reinforce untenable positions.

For the most part, the elite football programs of yesteryear were run by very young coaches who expected to move upward into high profile collegiate jobs.

Names like Brown, Schwartzwalder, Mollenkopf, Mather, Nehlen. Back in those days high profile HS programs were training camps and stepping stones for college.

Today the elite HS programs for the most part are directed by very fine HS coaches who want to be HS coaches.

Names like Reno, Reed, Niswonger.

But our continued resistance to long term coaches keeps the elite coaches from applying...and when one happens to apply, he is quickly shown the door.


Exactly, If I were a head coach thinking about coming to Massillon long term, and read these posts, who in the hell would want to stay here any longer than a few years. It's pathetic that everyone that lives here thinks they have all the answers. It's not that easy.

[massillon catholic]

Times have changed. Unfortunately, some who dont realize that use long ago examples to reinforce untenable positions.

For the most part, the elite football programs of yesteryear were run by very young coaches who expected to move upward into high profile collegiate jobs.

Names like Brown, Schwartzwalder, Mollenkopf, Mather, Nehlen. Back in those days high profile HS programs were training camps and stepping stones for college.

Today the elite HS programs for the most part are directed by very fine HS coaches who want to be HS coaches.

Names like Reno, Reed, Niswonger.

But our continued resistance to long term coaches keeps the elite coaches from applying...and when one happens to apply, he is quickly shown the door.


Look what Whiting has done with Northwest. I dont think they won more than 2 games in the five years previous to his hiring.

[Mass6]

Exactly, If I were a head coach thinking about coming to Massillon long term, and read these posts, who in the hell would want to stay here any longer than a few years. It's pathetic that everyone that lives here thinks they have all the answers. It's not that easy.

Great first post. Way to come on and put this crap out there when things aren't that good in TigerTown. Let me guess, you've read these posts for years and this is your first time posting. What's pathetic is that you think a coach would sit and read all these posts. How many years did you play for Massillon and how many years did you play collegiately???

[SuperBran]

We could have had two of the three and our fine administrators "blew it"

niswonger has led his team to 5-5 and 3-7 records the last two seasons. from 2005 to present he's won 2 playoff games.

so he probably shouldn't apply anytime soon.

[SuperBran]

Way to come on and put this crap out there when things aren't that good in TigerTown.

like the crap that everyone else is spewing?

what's the difference?

What's pathetic is that you think a coach would sit and read all these posts.

i believe is said "IF" he was a coach and read these posts.

How many years did you play for Massillon and how many years did you play collegiately???

what's the relevance? if only former massillon high school and college football players could post, there would only be a few people on her. i'm sure that would be entertaining.

how is your opinion any more valid?

[Mass6]

like the crap that everyone else is spewing?

what's the difference?



i believe is said "IF" he was a coach and read these posts.



what's the relevance? if only former massillon high school and college football players could post, there would only be a few people on her. i'm sure that would be entertaining.

how is your opinion any more valid?

The relevance is that some of us gave a lot to this program and this program gave a lot to us. We are passionate about it and actually have some knowledge of the game. Not saying anyone else doesn't, just that those who have played here know what it takes.

[massillon catholic]

niswonger has led his team to 5-5 and 3-7 records the last two seasons. from 2005 to present he's won 2 playoff games.

so he probably shouldn't apply anytime soon.


You seem to want to talk about Stacy's over-all record at Massillon but only want to talk about Niswonger's last two season. What about his Championships?

[CATS44]

Super Bran wants to rate Stacy on his highest one time level of success, a title game loss.

I will be glad to offer the same type of rating for Niswonger:

Niswonger has lost FOUR title games. Of course, he has also won three.

And he insists upon discipline with no exceptions.

But if Super Bran would prefer to look at a total resume comparison as a head coach, I will also be glad to do that...but he wont like the results.

[SuperBran]

The relevance is that some of us gave a lot to this program and this program gave a lot to us. We are passionate about it and actually have some knowledge of the game. Not saying anyone else doesn't, just that those who have played here know what it takes.

you don't have to have been a player to be passionate about the program or know what it takes. our program is known for the dedicated fans, and i'm willing to bet that 95% of them probably never stepped on the field for massillon.

[massillon catholic]

But if Super Bran would prefer to look at a total resume comparison as a head coach, I will also be glad to do that...but he wont like the results.

Of course he won't like the results. That's why he picks and chooses the facts he uses in all of his rebuttal's.

[SuperBran]

You seem to want to talk about Stacy's over-all record at Massillon but only want to talk about Niswonger's last two season. What about his Championships?

you mean the last one which was 11 years ago?

if coaches were ranked based on their championships, lllllloyd carr would still be at michigan. times change.

[massillon catholic]

you mean the last one which was 11 years ago?

if coaches were ranked based on their championships, lllllloyd carr would still be at michigan. times change.

You arent trying to say stacy is a better coach than niswonger, because niswonger hasn't won a championship in 11 years, are you?

[Mass6]

you don't have to have been a player to be passionate about the program or know what it takes. our program is known for the dedicated fans, and i'm willing to bet that 95% of them probably never stepped on the field for massillon.

No you don't have to, but being a player you see how much work a coach does to make his total program better. I don't see it right now and haven't. I never said "if you haven't played you can't be passionate." The reason I ask if they played at Massillon is because I would find it hard for any player who has put their all into this program whow wouldn't love to lead this team. For people to talk about coaches not wanting to come because some people may question their position is crazy to me. For posters to talk bad about Massillon, not the coach, but Massillon I get upset.

[SuperBran]

Super Bran wants to rate Stacy on his highest one time level of success, a title game loss.

I will be glad to offer the same type of rating for Niswonger:

Niswonger has lost FOUR title games. Of course, he has also won three.

And he insists upon discipline with no exceptions.

But if Super Bran would prefer to look at a total resume comparison as a head coach, I will also be glad to do that...but he wont like the results.

don't put words in my mouth to try to support your argument. how asinine is that? i've never rated stacy on his "highest one time level of success".....although some seem to rate niswonger on his highest one time level of success. i've pointed out his title game appearance b/c it had been years before we had been to the finals. like it or not, stacy does get some credit for that.

[SuperBran]

You arent trying to say stacy is a better coach than niswonger, because niswonger hasn't won a championship in 11 years, are you?

absolutely not. comparing the two is apples and oranges in my opinion. do i think that niswonger would have brought us a title had he been here the last 10 year or so? i really don't. my point is that niswonger, who seemed to be the fan favorite three years ago, has seen his program slip a little lately. would people welcome here now like they would have three years ago?

[SuperBran]

No you don't have to, but being a player you see how much work a coach does to make his total program better. I don't see it right now and haven't. I never said "if you haven't played you can't be passionate." The reason I ask if they played at Massillon is because I would find it hard for any player who has put their all into this program whow wouldn't love to lead this team. For people to talk about coaches not wanting to come because some people may question their position is crazy to me. For posters to talk bad about Massillon, not the coach, but Massillon I get upset.

i totally understand your point. however, i happen to think that what tiger376 said is true. you don't have to live in massillon to know that we have thousands of coaches in our program. if you were a coach who thought of coming to massillon, and saw all of the crap our coaches go through with the constant criticism, would you be quick to sign? it's a fair question. we're talking about a town that's known for putting "for sale" signs in our coach's lawns. unfortunately there are many aspects of our football community that are nothing short of embarrassing. sometimes you have to get out of the town to fully appreciate what i'm talking about. sometimes the truth does hurt.

[Mass6]

i totally understand your point. however, i happen to think that what tiger 376 is true. you don't have to live in massillon to know that we have thousands of coaches in our program. if you were a coach who thought of coming to massillon, and saw all of the crap our coaches go through with the constant criticism, would you be quick to sign? it's a fair question. we're talking about a town that's known for putting "for sale" signs in our coach's lawns. unfortunately there are many aspects of our football community that are nothing short of embarrassing. sometimes you have to get out of the town to fully appreciate what i'm talking about. sometimes the truth does hurt.

I would come in a heartbeat, and I have gone away for college and come back without a shred of loyalty lost. Yes you are under constant criticism, but what top programs aren't?? Shepas had a brick thrown through his window and he didn't go anywhere. Truth doesn't hurt, we are passionate about our team because it drives our city. If you win, the criticism goes down. Prove yourself and Massillon is the greatest place for a coach to be. Don't do your job and let the program slip, and you can be people are going to be all over you. If you were a boss at your job and slipped in discipline, productivity, and leadership, do you think all of those under and above you would just let it go?? No we expect greatness with all we have and for people who think it's so bad to have a for sale sign in their yard, get some thicker skin. We don't pay what we do for the results we have been getting.

[TigerSupport]

Look what Whiting has done with Northwest. I dont think they won more than 2 games in the five years previous to his hiring.

I heard he has baggage.

[massillon catholic]

I heard he has baggage.

Its the kind of baggage, I'll over-look.

[TigerSupport]

I'm sure you would

[SuperBran]

Yes you are under constant criticism, but what top programs aren't??

but there are VERY few programs that put you under the microscope like massillon.

If you win, the criticism goes down

somewhere currence is shaking his head. LOL.

Prove yourself and Massillon is the greatest place for a coach to be. Don't do your job and let the program slip, and you can be people are going to be all over you.

that's absolutely the truth.

If you were a boss at your job and slipped in discipline, productivity, and leadership, do you think all of those under and above you would just let it go??

a better analogy would be a boss at work having everyone and their mother, most of whom don't have the credentials, constantly telling him how to do his job. who would want that job?

other top programs have pressure, but IMO there's no other program on par with massillon when it comes to pressure. after going 30+ years without a title i think the frustrations are growing at an incredible rate. unfortunately whoever fills stacy's shoes when he's gone probably won't last 5-6 years. while our expectations are still as high as they've ever been, i think people fail to believe that this isn't our grandfathers' program anymore.

[Mass6]

See below, I forgot how to comment after each question.

[Mass6]

but there are VERY few programs that put you under the microscope like massillon.


somewhere currence is shaking his head. LOL.



that's absolutely the truth.



a better analogy would be a boss at work having everyone and their mother, most of whom don't have the credentials, constantly telling him how to do his job. who would want that job?

1) Very few programs get the money and attention that Massillon receives. Very few programs offer the facilities that Massillon does to get your team ready for the season.

2) I won't argue with you here, but his situation isn't the majority.

3) Depends how much you want the job and how much it pays. I think we give our coaches more money and other "gifts" than any other program. There has to be a trade off. If you go to a low profile team, then you probably don't have all the people telling you how to do your job. If you go to a high profile team, you are under the microscope. I just feel that our program's advantages far outweigh the criticism you may take. Like I said, if you're coming here, you better have some thick skin. You will silence naysayers with improvement, consistency, and integrity.

[massillon catholic]

You will silence naysayers with improvement, consistency, and integrity.


stacy has one of the three.

[Seeker]

I'm sure you would


LOL.

[londontown]

Lets put this baby to bed and look for the person who will move into Massillon and role with the punches,and get weight programs back in order so these kids can get on track. I watched to much Federal league coaching this year and thats not going to beat tough teams.Lets suckit up and move on.If a coach is so timid to go out and get these kids fired . This is to low keyed and tries to NFL his coaching .:alien:

[CATS44]

SB: Your Carr analogy is apt.

Thank you.

Carr isnt coaching any longer, in spite of a national championship. Stacy wont be coaching in Massillon, in spite of one (out of seven) very good seasons as a head coach.

Of course there is a limit to the aptness.

Coach Carr has a very fine overall record with many very good seasons.

And Carr retired under his own chosen plan.

[Tigers376]

No you don't have to, but being a player you see how much work a coach does to make his total program better. I don't see it right now and haven't. I never said "if you haven't played you can't be passionate." The reason I ask if they played at Massillon is because I would find it hard for any player who has put their all into this program whow wouldn't love to lead this team. For people to talk about coaches not wanting to come because some people may question their position is crazy to me. For posters to talk bad about Massillon, not the coach, but Massillon I get upset.


Second Post....

Well, I guess I should apologize for offending you. Your right, I have read these posts, listened to game casts, and even watched chats during games the last few years. I grew up in Massillon for 21 yrs and after college, I left to find a job. I still find interest in the football team and all sports. I guess looking from the outside, the negativity for the coach and everything that goes on in the football program I felt warranted a first post. I would love to have a previous Tiger come in and coach this team back to the glory days that we all remember. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. It seems to me like Massillon is losing population and even having trouble staying in Div 1. Whenever I go to games, I see the old tiger fans who still support no matter what is going on or who the coach is. It looks to me like the older generation fan is a dying breed back at home and it saddens me to see all the negativity surrounding a coach that has been here 3 years and damn near one us our first "real" championship, as people like to say. If the guy wants to better himself I don't blame him.

If you were the coach at Massillon, led the team to a state championship, and had 6 great years there. Lets say your salary was 90,000. If a Division 1 or 2 college school came along and offered you a contract worth, lets say, 200,000. You wouldn't leave? or even think about leaving because of your love for the Massillon program? What if leaving meant bettering your family's lifestyle? setting your family up for the future? helping your kids go to college without taking out student loans?

I would find it hard to not at least look into moving up into the college ranks. And even if you did stay in Massillon, fans would be pissed off because you even thought about leaving them. It's high school football, yes it's the best high school football program in the U.S.. But, I'm not going to throw a guy off the bus because is talking about bettering his, and is family's lifestyle.

[massillon catholic]

If you were the coach at Massillon, led the team to a state championship, and had 6 great years there. Lets say your salary was 90,000. If a Division 1 or 2 college school came along and offered you a contract worth, lets say, 200,000.

.


Stacy has done none of what you mentioned. Believe me, he would leave right now, but he can't find a job!! That's a first for any Massillon coach. Even Shuff got a job, just wasn't in football.

[Broder]

I see everone has an agenda of their own. Truth of the matter is this is still Massillon, Ohio, home of the Massillon Washington Tigers. The third (by one game) winningest high school football program in the nation. This is still a free country (the last time I checked) and Coach Stacy can do what he chooses. I agree that if his heart is not in it, then he should not have his contract extended and move on to another endeavor. Do not worry about the football program. There are several young coaches out there that would love to come and be the Head Coach of the Tigers. Some have played here and some have not. It is up to the BOE to stand up and find one of these coaches and hire them. Paul Brown was 24 years old when he was hired and I think he turned out pretty good. He had only coached 2 years before he came back. The average age of most of the successful coaches Massillon has hired is around 33 years old. There are young coaches that would come here and stay to build the program. It takes time to build a program and you can't keep hiring coaches that want to be here 3 - 5 years, then move on. If the BOE decides to keep Coach Stacy, then everyone in "TIGER COUNTRY" needs to back him as long as he is here. If the BOE decides not to keep Coach Stacy then everyone in "TIGER COUNTRY" needs to back the new coach they hire. Massillon Tiger football is not dead....it is just resting. Believe me when I tell you it will awaken soon and be as strong as ever. It just needs some hard work, dedication, desire, and guidance. I do believe that having played at Massillon is an advantage in bringing the program back to where it needs to be, but not absolute when looking for a new coach, if need be. I want to say that coaching in Massillon is not as easy as it looks. Buying season tickets and sitting in the stands does not give anyone the right to say terrible things about or to a coach or his family. Whether people want to admit it or not it happens way too often in Massillon. But, there is this "Freedom of Speech" thing. However, I think that coaches understand that coming in. Maybe not to the full degree, but they have heard what happens when you win and don't win in Massillon. They have to know, the stories are nation wide. Anyone that wants to win a debate always uses facts to their advantage. Sometimes they use all the facts and sometimes they use only the facts that help their argument. I see alot of that going on here. At any rate be glad we have a place to air our opinions. Thanks Massillon Proud.

[Mass6]

I see everone has an agenda of their own. Truth of the matter is this is still Massillon, Ohio, home of the Massillon Washington Tigers. The third (by one game) winningest high school football program in the nation. This is still a free country (the last time I checked) and Coach Stacy can do what he chooses. I agree that if his heart is not in it, then he should not have his contract extended and move on to another endeavor. Do not worry about the football program. There are several young coaches out there that would love to come and be the Head Coach of the Tigers. Some have played here and some have not. It is up to the BOE to stand up and find one of these coaches and hire them. Paul Brown was 24 years old when he was hired and I think he turned out pretty good. He had only coached 2 years before he came back. The average age of most of the successful coaches Massillon has hired is around 33 years old. There are young coaches that would come here and stay to build the program. It takes time to build a program and you can't keep hiring coaches that want to be here 3 - 5 years, then move on. If the BOE decides to keep Coach Stacy, then everyone in "TIGER COUNTRY" needs to back him as long as he is here. If the BOE decides not to keep Coach Stacy then everyone in "TIGER COUNTRY" needs to back the new coach they hire. Massillon Tiger football is not dead....it is just resting. Believe me when I tell you it will awaken soon and be as strong as ever. It just needs some hard work, dedication, desire, and guidance. I do believe that having played at Massillon is an advantage in bringing the program back to where it needs to be, but not absolute when looking for a new coach, if need be. I want to say that coaching in Massillon is not as easy as it looks. Buying season tickets and sitting in the stands does not give anyone the right to say terrible things about or to a coach or his family. Whether people want to admit it or not it happens way too often in Massillon. But, there is this "Freedom of Speech" thing. However, I think that coaches understand that coming in. Maybe not to the full degree, but they have heard what happens when you win and don't win in Massillon. They have to know, the stories are nation wide. Anyone that wants to win a debate always uses facts to their advantage. Sometimes they use all the facts and sometimes they use only the facts that help their argument. I see alot of that going on here. At any rate be glad we have a place to air our opinions. Thanks Massillon Proud.


Now this is a great first post. Welcome aboard Broder.

[Mass6]

Second Post....

Well, I guess I should apologize for offending you. Your right, I have read these posts, listened to game casts, and even watched chats during games the last few years. I grew up in Massillon for 21 yrs and after college, I left to find a job. I still find interest in the football team and all sports. I guess looking from the outside, the negativity for the coach and everything that goes on in the football program I felt warranted a first post. I would love to have a previous Tiger come in and coach this team back to the glory days that we all remember. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. It seems to me like Massillon is losing population and even having trouble staying in Div 1. Whenever I go to games, I see the old tiger fans who still support no matter what is going on or who the coach is. It looks to me like the older generation fan is a dying breed back at home and it saddens me to see all the negativity surrounding a coach that has been here 3 years and damn near one us our first "real" championship, as people like to say. If the guy wants to better himself I don't blame him.

If you were the coach at Massillon, led the team to a state championship, and had 6 great years there. Lets say your salary was 90,000. If a Division 1 or 2 college school came along and offered you a contract worth, lets say, 200,000. You wouldn't leave? or even think about leaving because of your love for the Massillon program? What if leaving meant bettering your family's lifestyle? setting your family up for the future? helping your kids go to college without taking out student loans?

I would find it hard to not at least look into moving up into the college ranks. And even if you did stay in Massillon, fans would be pissed off because you even thought about leaving them. It's high school football, yes it's the best high school football program in the U.S.. But, I'm not going to throw a guy off the bus because is talking about bettering his, and is family's lifestyle.

So you're saying you don't live in Massillon? Nothing against that, good for you for moving on and bettering yourself and your family if you have one, I know I work about an hour away from Massillon, but still live in the city I call home. You say how people bad mouth the coach and it isn't warranted because he almost won a State Title? Well, the team he inherited had a TON of leadership and was conditioned for Speed and Strength and played as a team. He didn't come in until either May or June, so the foundation was laid by the previous coach. If you would have seen this season, with all the potential flushed down the drain, you would understand the negativity. Being gift wrapped a great team, that took their beatings two previous years doesn't make you that great of a coach (hence the back to back 6-4 seasons).

For your next post about 90,000 compared to 200,000 for coaching you would have to ask yourself this, is my heart at Massillon, or is it with the money. If you live in Massillon and make $90,000 per year then you are living pretty darn good. So when you say he is bettering himself, how so? If you save right, you can easily send your kids to school (one of his is already out of school), how do you think families who only make a combined 90,000 or less do it? It's called grants and scholarships.

If it was about bettering himself and his family, he would be gone by now. Why would you stay if your contract is up and deal with the madness? I don't think he is all about bettering his lifestyle, but getting away from what he is in over his head. Keep posting though, I would never want to push someone away from the message boards because I disagree with them. I apologize for coming off so harsh, but I really dislike it when outsiders come in blasting our city and team.

[SuperBran]

SB: Your Carr analogy is apt.

Thank you.

Carr isnt coaching any longer, in spite of a national championship. Stacy wont be coaching in Massillon, in spite of one (out of seven) very good seasons as a head coach.

Of course there is a limit to the aptness.

Coach Carr has a very fine overall record with many very good seasons.

And Carr retired under his own chosen plan.

my point about carr is that in coaching it's always "what have you done for me lately." what you did years ago doesn't matter when you struggle. that's what got shepas and that's what's going to do stacy in. that's the way it works and i'm not arguing against it.

BTW - everyone knows why carr retired. although it was under his own "plan," he saw the writing on the wall.....1-6 against osu, bad bowl performances, embarassing losses. he knew that he had to step down.

[Obie Wan]

my point about carr is that in coaching it's always "what have you done for me lately." what you did years ago doesn't matter when you struggle. that's what got shepas and that's what's going to do stacy in.
No. What got Shepas was a personal vendetta and a deliberate campaign for his ouster that started before (and contributed to) his consecutive losing seasons.

[Tigers376]

So you're saying you don't live in Massillon? Nothing against that, good for you for moving on and bettering yourself and your family if you have one, I know I work about an hour away from Massillon, but still live in the city I call home. You say how people bad mouth the coach and it isn't warranted because he almost won a State Title? Well, the team he inherited had a TON of leadership and was conditioned for Speed and Strength and played as a team. He didn't come in until either May or June, so the foundation was laid by the previous coach. If you would have seen this season, with all the potential flushed down the drain, you would understand the negativity. Being gift wrapped a great team, that took their beatings two previous years doesn't make you that great of a coach (hence the back to back 6-4 seasons).

For your next post about 90,000 compared to 200,000 for coaching you would have to ask yourself this, is my heart at Massillon, or is it with the money. If you live in Massillon and make $90,000 per year then you are living pretty darn good. So when you say he is bettering himself, how so? If you save right, you can easily send your kids to school (one of his is already out of school), how do you think families who only make a combined 90,000 or less do it? It's called grants and scholarships.

If it was about bettering himself and his family, he would be gone by now. Why would you stay if your contract is up and deal with the madness? I don't think he is all about bettering his lifestyle, but getting away from what he is in over his head. Keep posting though, I would never want to push someone away from the message boards because I disagree with them. I apologize for coming off so harsh, but I really dislike it when outsiders come in blasting our city and team.


When did I bash the City or Team? The only reason I posted was because I'm tired of everyone bashing the Team.

[CarlE]

I'm sure you would

I would be VERY careful here if I were you. My "sources" tell me that when Coach Stacy leaves here he potentially could have so much baggage that he will have to check it curbside before he departs.

[massillon catholic]

I would be VERY careful here if I were you. My "sources" tell me that when Coach Stacy leaves here he potentially could have so much baggage that he will have to check it curbside before he departs.


Carl: Your sources are exactly right. Stacy should leave as quietly as he can and as quickly as he can.

[SuperBran]

No. What got Shepas was a personal vendetta and a deliberate campaign for his ouster that started before (and contributed to) his consecutive losing seasons.

i thought the losing seasons were due to a brutal schedule and lack of talent?

and how does a personal vendetta sabotage two seasons? i'm not arguing, just asking. regardless, though, the coach is ultimately responsible for his team's performance. he may not be ultimately at fault, but remains ultimately responsible.

[man2man]

I would be VERY careful here if I were you. My "sources" tell me that when Coach Stacy leaves here he potentially could have so much baggage that he will have to check it curbside before he departs.

This post is irresponsible, incorrect and typical of your content. This thread should be closed.

[SternRulz]

Does anyone else find it ironic that some people are calling for long term coaches at the same time they want the current coach gone after 3 years?

If Stacy had signed a 5-6 year contract from the beginning and planned to be here that long, would people be calling for a buyout or be thankful they signed a long term coach???

[man2man]

Does anyone else find it ironic that some people are calling for long term coaches at the same time they want the current coach gone after 3 years?

This post makes way too much sense for many who post on here. Thank you for some insighful perspective.

[massillon catholic]

Does anyone else find it ironic that some people are calling for long term coaches at the same time they want the current coach gone after 3 years?

If Stacy had signed a 5-6 year contract from the beginning and planned to be here that long, would people be calling for a buyout or be thankful they signed a long term coach???

There's a big difference here. Stacy didnt want to stay here more than 3-4 years to begin with so the board gave him a three year deal. Now, that he cant find a job, he wants an extension. He openly states that he has no intention of staying here for any period of time. Massillon needs someone to commit time to build from pee-wee to the varsity level. stacy hasnt done that.

[massillon catholic]

This post is irresponsible, incorrect and typical of your content. This thread should be closed.

Lighten up, Francis!

[man2man]

If this BOE was going to non-renew Stacy, why didn't it the other night? Especially with a majority already telling him he was done? Something doesn't seem to make sense about that, assuming all of Mass Catholic info is correct.

The great thing is all the people on here predicting what will happen and when, and in reality they have no clue. Haven't been right once. You are outsides looking in.

Stacy is still the coach and in control of his destiny. If he gets a better offer, he'll take it. If not, he wants to stay. Pretty simple.

[SternRulz]

There's a big difference here. Stacy didnt want to stay here more than 3-4 years to begin with so the board gave him a three year deal. Now, that he cant find a job, he wants an extension. He openly states that he has no intention of staying here for any period of time. Massillon needs someone to commit time to build from pee-wee to the varsity level. stacy hasnt done that.

I mean...if he intended to stay long term from the beginning and signed a long term contract from jump, would people be calling for his ouster due to his last season or two, or would they be happy to let him play out his contract and see how it goes?

[massillon catholic]

Stacy is still the coach and in control of his destiny. If he gets a better offer, he'll take it. If not, he wants to stay. Pretty simple.


And, that statement sealed his fate. He will be gone!

[MTown]

If he gets a better offer, he'll take it. If not, he wants to stay. Pretty simple.

And this is why he should be gone.

We are not a fall-back plan.

[massillon catholic]

And this is why he should be gone.

We are not a fall-back plan.

That's right. With that attitude, he shouldnt even be permitted to finish out the year. I'd fire him right now.

[Tiger54]

i totally understand your point. however, i happen to think that what tiger376 said is true. you don't have to live in massillon to know that we have thousands of coaches in our program. if you were a coach who thought of coming to massillon, and saw all of the crap our coaches go through with the constant criticism, would you be quick to sign? it's a fair question. we're talking about a town that's known for putting "for sale" signs in our coach's lawns. unfortunately there are many aspects of our football community that are nothing short of embarrassing. sometimes you have to get out of the town to fully appreciate what i'm talking about. sometimes the truth does hurt.
I totally disagree with your post. If Massillon was such a terrible place to be, why on earth would Stacy's MENTOR, Lee Owens, highly recommend him to come here?? Owens was here longer than 3 years and the people loved him. In fact, they still love him and as far as I know, he continues to love us. There ARE coaches who do not think that Massillon would be a horrible place to be. And I am referring to people who went thru our program. You know, Paul Brown said that despite the success he had thru his whole career that Massillon High School was the place where he enjoyed it the most. As a born and bred Massillonian, it filled me with pride to see him make that remark on a tribute which he filmed.

[SuperBran]

I totally disagree with your post. If Massillon was such a terrible place to be, why on earth would Stacy's MENTOR, Lee Owens, highly recommend him to come here?? Owens was here longer than 3 years and the people loved him. In fact, they still love him and as far as I know, he continues to love us. There ARE coaches who do not think that Massillon would be a horrible place to be. And I am referring to people who went thru our program. You know, Paul Brown said that despite the success he had thru his whole career that Massillon High School was the place where he enjoyed it the most. As a born and bred Massillonian, it filled me with pride to see him make that remark on a tribute which he filmed.

did i actually say that massillon is a terrible place to be? no. in fact, massillon can be an incredible place to be when you're doing well......and well is the key word. if you don't do well it can be a very frustrating place to be.

one poster jumped all over another for criticizing the town. i simply pointed out that our town deserves some of the negative criticism that it receives.

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Do you know for a fact that Lee Owens highly recommended him to come here? Do you know him? Does he call you at home?

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Anybody?

Who would be happy right now if Stacy's original intent was to stay here long term and signed a long term contract?

My guess is after the last two seasons, most people would be in an uproar and calling for a buyout.

That's why my argument in a previous thread was not to sign LTCs off the bat, but rather hire a coach that wants to be here long term, however renew short terms based on performance.

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Do you know for a fact that Lee Owens highly recommended him to come here? Do you know him? Does he call you at home?

Dude, his endorsement was public and incredible.

From and aritcle in the Inde:

June 1, 2005


And Owens believes Stacy is just the coach to do it, even though Stacy hasn’t had that much experience as a head coach.
“We’ve been like co-head coaches at couple of places we’ve been,” Owens said Tuesday evening. “Tom has had a lot of responsibilities at different positions and places we’ve been. He was doing a great job at Shelby and if I hadn’t lured him into college coaching, he’d have been on the fast track to a high profile job somewhere.”
Stacy has been credited with helping to develop Charlie Frye at the University of Akron into the quarterback who was drafted in the third round by the Cleveland Browns in April. But Owens points out Stacy did a similar job with Butchie Washington, who pre-dated Frye at Akron and held most of the school’s passing records until Frye re-wrote the record book.
“I think Tom Stacy is the best quarterbacks coach in the country,” Owens said.
“He did a great job with Lee Hurst and Nick Mossides at Massillon and it’s not by chance. He takes whatever talent is available to him and he maximizes it.”
Owens sees the Massillon football program at “a critical point in its history” and believes it is imperative for the administration to find the right man for the job.
“You don’t need to gamble with an unproven guy,” Owens said. “What Tom brings is unbelievable expertise as a head football coach. His technical knowledge is far superior to where it was when we were there 16 years ago. He has grown so much in his football expertise, not to mention his handling of players.
“He has a hunger to be a head coach and he is a proven person as far as integrity.“
And if Massillon wants a dedicated football guy, Owens says the choice is clear.
“All he does is coach football,” Owens said. “I can’t get him to go golfing or go catch a fish with me. All he wants to do is coach. “In my mind, Tom Stacy is a perfect fit for Massillon.”

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Do you know for a fact that Lee Owens highly recommended him to come here? Do you know him? Does he call you at home?

I believe it was documented, public info that Owens recommended that he come here.

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why on earth would Stacy's MENTOR, Lee Owens, highly recommend him to come here??

I would ask...Why after coaching w/ Owens for 9 years and contributing to the development of B.Washington & Charlie Frye did Stacy not land a college
position at a Big Ten school as a QB coach or a head coaching position at a DII or DIII school...why would Owens want to see an asst. that's been with him at his side leave for a High School job (granted Massillon is not the typical High School job) and not encourage him to stay at the collegiate level.
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