Job as Tiger Coach a Second Choice

[massillon catholic]

I would ask...Why after coaching w/ Owens for 9 years and contributing to the development of B.Washington & Charlie Frye did Stacy not land a college
position at a Big Ten school as a QB coach or a head coaching position at a DII or DIII school...why would Owens want to see an asst. that's been with him at his side leave for a High School job (granted Massillon is not the typical High School job) and not encourage him to stay at the collegiate level.
:scratchchin:


I think we saw the reason why.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I just have a question to ask based on the rash of posts here: Has it come to the point where Massillon has nothing left to prove after peaking two years ago?

The reason I ask (and if anyone gets disrespected by it, my humblest apologies in advance) is because it seems like a number of people are starting to turn the other ear about the 48-year-old veteran despite his 26 wins in 37 games and also 18 wins in 21 games at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium.

Just my thinking, that's all.

[massillon catholic]

The reason I ask (and if anyone gets disrespected by it, my humblest apologies in advance).

Apology accepted.

[Mass6]

I just have a question to ask based on the rash of posts here: Has it come to the point where Massillon has nothing left to prove after peaking two years ago?

The reason I ask (and if anyone gets disrespected by it, my humblest apologies in advance) is because it seems like a number of people are starting to turn the other ear about the 48-year-old veteran despite his 26 wins in 37 games and also 18 wins in 21 games at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium.

Just my thinking, that's all.

Massillon will always have something to prove, and I hope the kids think that way. The reason I am upset is the blatant disrespect to the program by certain individuals on the team. That directly reflects the coach, and if the coach can't control his team, that is a problem. All anyone wants is a coach that intsills integrity, respect, and keep the tradition. We don't want a coach that only wants to be here if a college opportunity isn't available. We have the athletes, but they don't respect themselves, coaches, or their opponents. This trickles down and then you have the product we have now.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mass6,

This whole debacle is starting to remind me of the whole Bobby Petrino situation (I'm sure you heard about it last night). What makes you attest that Massillon athletes do not respect themselves, coaches, or their opponents? I don't believe Massillon has underestimated anyone under Stacy's watch, that takes the opponent factor out of the discussion. Massillon players will leave their heart and soul on the field for their coaches...there are SEVEN former Massillon standouts on the coaching staff.

Now that trickles down to one thing: Where and just how don't the players respect themselves?

[Red50Go]

Anybody?

Who would be happy right now if Stacy's original intent was to stay here long term and signed a long term contract?

My guess is after the last two seasons, most people would be in an uproar and calling for a buyout.

That's why my argument in a previous thread was not to sign LTCs off the bat, but rather hire a coach that wants to be here long term, however renew short terms based on performance.

I would be happy. He is a good man and good coach. If his intention was long term, and ours was also, I can more confidently assume there would have been greater discussion/importance given to establishing a longer term structure to the program, w/ emphasis on discipline, player development, and feeder system, from the earliest stages on.

We didn't ask for that. Stacy didn't offer that. And we both paid for it. Hopefully some day we learn. Massillon does not have the numbers & talent anymore to allow other D1 schools to outwork us. And thats what they do. Which is the opposite of everything I always thought this program stood for.

[Obie Wan]

If Stacy had signed a 5-6 year contract from the beginning and planned to be here that long, would people be calling for a buyout or be thankful they signed a long term coach???
Neither. It's illegal to sign a contract of that length.

If this BOE was going to non-renew Stacy, why didn't it the other night? Especially with a majority already telling him he was done?
Executive session. The formal vote would come at the 12/26 meeting.

If Massillon was such a terrible place to be, why on earth would Stacy's MENTOR, Lee Owens, highly recommend him to come here??
Well, Owens did get about $30,000 for making that recommendation.

And remember, the Ohio retirement system is based on your 3 highest salaries. Stacy's gig here will pay off well for him down the road.

[OTC TIGER]

We have the athletes, but they don't respect themselves, coaches, or their opponents. This trickles down and then you have the product we have now.

Friday night is the by-product of the PROGRAM...more than just a coach we need a master of the program which takes vision and a plan...not just picking
up a barbell or calling the right play...which means a coach who is not looking over his shoulder for the net job...PASSION and VISION...That's what I want
from the coach of the MASSILLON TIGERS who ever it is

[Mass6]

Mass6,

This whole debacle is starting to remind me of the whole Bobby Petrino situation (I'm sure you heard about it last night). What makes you attest that Massillon athletes do not respect themselves, coaches, or their opponents? I don't believe Massillon has underestimated anyone under Stacy's watch, that takes the opponent factor out of the discussion. Massillon players will leave their heart and soul on the field for their coaches...there are SEVEN former Massillon standouts on the coaching staff.

Now that trickles down to one thing: Where and just how don't the players respect themselves?

Well, when you don't give your all, don't want to play every play of the game, don't get the grades, show up at halftime to a game, become ineligible. You can't tell me that Normandy was better than us, we didn't show up that game. We play against them the way we did against Mentor and we blow them out. That translates to me that they took Mentor a lot more serious then the did the other teams. We took the State Runner up and gave them everything they wanted and more. If we don't score on a fluke dive play, then we run down the clock and don't give them time to score. I agree that MOST Massillon kids leave it all on the field, but some didn't this year and it hurt the rest of the team. Being ineligible and getting in trouble off the field is direspecting yourself and your family. There is no reason for it. As for the former standouts on the coaching staff, they can only do so much when their boss lets the crap go on.

[Mass6]

Friday night is the by-product of the PROGRAM...more than just a coach we need a master of the program which takes vision and a plan...not just picking
up a barbell or calling the right play...which means a coach who is not looking over his shoulder for the net job...PASSION and VISION...That's what I want
from the coach of the MASSILLON TIGERS who ever it is

Exactly, that is why we need the coach who intsills respect and integrity and keeps the tradition. Passion and Vision are both something that I hope for in a coach as well. Good Post!!!

[Tiger54]

I would be VERY careful here if I were you. My "sources" tell me that when Coach Stacy leaves here he potentially could have so much baggage that he will have to check it curbside before he departs.
Well, if it is at curbside, HIS curbside is in CF, isn't it?

[Tiger54]

If this BOE was going to non-renew Stacy, why didn't it the other night? Especially with a majority already telling him he was done? Something doesn't seem to make sense about that, assuming all of Mass Catholic info is correct.

The great thing is all the people on here predicting what will happen and when, and in reality they have no clue. Haven't been right once. You are outsides looking in.


Stacy is still the coach and in control of his destiny. If he gets a better offer, he'll take it. If not, he wants to stay. Pretty simple.
When you have completed the third year of your three-year contract, you are not exactly in control of your own destiny! That was a pretty assinine statement to make.

[OTC TIGER]

Stacy is still the coach and in control of his destiny. If he gets a better offer, he'll take it. If not, he wants to stay. Pretty simple.

man2man...assuming you're male, try this conversation with your significant other & report back:

Hi Honey, You know those hot girls down the street, well they invited me to their pool party, but weather report said it might storm, so if starts to storm
I'll call you and maybe I'll take you to Dairy Queen. :wink:

[Tiger54]

Do you know for a fact that Lee Owens highly recommended him to come here? Do you know him? Does he call you at home?
I don't appreciate your snide comment. Owens' comments were in the newspaper at the time of Stacy's hiring. Does Stacy call you at YOUR home?

[massillon catholic]

If this BOE was going to non-renew Stacy, why didn't it the other night? .


Because they were in "executive" session and it must tbe done in a "public" session. Expect it at the next meeting.

[Tiger54]

Dude, his endorsement was public and incredible.

From and aritcle in the Inde:

June 1, 2005


And Owens believes Stacy is just the coach to do it, even though Stacy hasn’t had that much experience as a head coach.
“We’ve been like co-head coaches at couple of places we’ve been,” Owens said Tuesday evening. “Tom has had a lot of responsibilities at different positions and places we’ve been. He was doing a great job at Shelby and if I hadn’t lured him into college coaching, he’d have been on the fast track to a high profile job somewhere.”
Stacy has been credited with helping to develop Charlie Frye at the University of Akron into the quarterback who was drafted in the third round by the Cleveland Browns in April. But Owens points out Stacy did a similar job with Butchie Washington, who pre-dated Frye at Akron and held most of the school’s passing records until Frye re-wrote the record book.
“I think Tom Stacy is the best quarterbacks coach in the country,” Owens said.
“He did a great job with Lee Hurst and Nick Mossides at Massillon and it’s not by chance. He takes whatever talent is available to him and he maximizes it.”
Owens sees the Massillon football program at “a critical point in its history” and believes it is imperative for the administration to find the right man for the job.
“You don’t need to gamble with an unproven guy,” Owens said. “What Tom brings is unbelievable expertise as a head football coach. His technical knowledge is far superior to where it was when we were there 16 years ago. He has grown so much in his football expertise, not to mention his handling of players.
“He has a hunger to be a head coach and he is a proven person as far as integrity.“
And if Massillon wants a dedicated football guy, Owens says the choice is clear.
“All he does is coach football,” Owens said. “I can’t get him to go golfing or go catch a fish with me. All he wants to do is coach. “In my mind, Tom Stacy is a perfect fit for Massillon.”
THANK YOU! You just proved my point. Again, I offer my thanks for your responding to that joker. Maybe he should think before he spouts off.

[massillon catholic]

THANK YOU! You just proved my point. Again, I offer my thanks for your responding to that joker. Maybe he should think before he spouts off.


I'm still amazed that Owens called stacy the best QB coach in the country:lol:

[SECTION13PBTS]

For all the experts out there coaches and teachers can only sign 3 year contracts max.

[SternRulz]

For all the experts out there coaches and teachers can only sign 3 year contracts max.

Thanks - I was not aware of that rule for HS.

[massillon catholic]

For all the experts out there coaches and teachers can only sign 3 year contracts max.


It is my understanding that McK only gives one-year football contracts.

[Mass6]

For all the experts out there coaches and teachers can only sign 3 year contracts max.

Obie wan and Tiger54 mentioned that above. Thank you for the info though!:gogogo:

[Benchboss1]

I don't appreciate your snide comment. Owens' comments were in the newspaper at the time of Stacy's hiring. Does Stacy call you at YOUR home?



Something tells me that Mr. Owens DOES INDEED call TigerSupport at his home! :rockin:

[TigerSupport]

Because they were in "executive" session and it must tbe done in a "public" session. Expect it at the next meeting.

Stacy most definitely has the ball in his court. The BOE is going to be in a REAL bind here pretty quick. The newspapers will say that Massillon lost a superintendent (for a sorry reason, really...I love Blosser, but cmon) after basically a year and a half, and then didn't resign their head football coach after beating McKinley 3 years in a row!?!?!?!?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmm......that makes Massillon look really good!

Stacy with a non-renewed contract = Massillon, Stark County Laughing Stock

[TigerSupport]

It also looks really good for the next coaching candidate.....

New Coaching Candidate: "So, what are your expectations for me?"

Massillon BOE: "Well...our last coach took us to the state championship game, had the most wins in one season in school history, won 5 playoff games...beat McKinley 3 times in a row...was the first coach to beat St. Ignatius....Beat state champion Hamilton, Arizona...cleaned up the integrity of the program...and won 26 games in three years - but we didn't resign him....GOOD LUCK, Coach!"

New Coaching Candidate: "Uhhh....WHAT?"

:help: BOE...I know you're reading this - WHAT are you THINKING!?! Or are you?

[TigerSupport]

I would be VERY careful here if I were you. My "sources" tell me that when Coach Stacy leaves here he potentially could have so much baggage that he will have to check it curbside before he departs.

What sources, Carl? The ones you make up? Your sources suck and haven't been right one time yet lolol....I don't need to be careful about anything!

[TigerSupport]

So you're saying you don't live in Massillon? Nothing against that, good for you for moving on and bettering yourself and your family if you have one, I know I work about an hour away from Massillon, but still live in the city I call home. You say how people bad mouth the coach and it isn't warranted because he almost won a State Title? Well, the team he inherited had a TON of leadership and was conditioned for Speed and Strength and played as a team. He didn't come in until either May or June, so the foundation was laid by the previous coach. If you would have seen this season, with all the potential flushed down the drain, you would understand the negativity. Being gift wrapped a great team, that took their beatings two previous years doesn't make you that great of a coach (hence the back to back 6-4 seasons).

For your next post about 90,000 compared to 200,000 for coaching you would have to ask yourself this, is my heart at Massillon, or is it with the money. If you live in Massillon and make $90,000 per year then you are living pretty darn good. So when you say he is bettering himself, how so? If you save right, you can easily send your kids to school (one of his is already out of school), how do you think families who only make a combined 90,000 or less do it? It's called grants and scholarships.

If it was about bettering himself and his family, he would be gone by now. Why would you stay if your contract is up and deal with the madness? I don't think he is all about bettering his lifestyle, but getting away from what he is in over his head. Keep posting though, I would never want to push someone away from the message boards because I disagree with them. I apologize for coming off so harsh, but I really dislike it when outsiders come in blasting our city and team.


Spoken like a true gentleman from 1940....Stacy has 3 kids....and you say it's EASY if one saves right to send kids through college. What college are you sending your kids to? I want to send mine there when they get of age! Hahaha wow!

Stacy battling the BOE makes me believe he wants to stay

[Seeker]

This thread degenerated into name calling and inuendo.

DONE