Over at the huddle....

[TigerSupport]

For all you who don't support Stacy....over on JJHuddle there is talk about trying to get him at Findlay....sounds like somebody wants him. I don't think I've broken any rules concerning this thread...just pointing something out.

[TigerCoach]

They better check his STRS pension first. He may now have the required 30 credits, so he doesn't need a high school job anymore.

[massillon catholic]

To be honest, I think he let his teaching certificate expire. In any case, let him go wherever he wants to go. We need to start the process of getting a new coach ONCE Stacy makes it official that he is leaving. Please dont ban me great "mighty powers" this could be the best news Massillon has had in years.

[massillon catholic]

They better check his STRS pension first. He may now have the required 30 credits, so he doesn't need a high school job anymore.


I think they are talking about Findlay college not Findlay high school.

[TigerSupport]

They're talking about Findlay high school - Ritzler is the head coach at Findlay HS...U of F just recently signed the former Miami (Ohio) offensive coordinator...his name escapes me at the moment (brain fart!)

[massillon catholic]

They're talking about Findlay high school - Ritzler is the head coach at Findlay HS...U of F just recently signed the former Miami (Ohio) offensive coordinator...his name escapes me at the moment (brain fart!)

Well, if true that tells me he has been told that his contract in Massillon will not be re-newed. Looks like we could be starting to re-build from the train-wreck he has caused.

[TigerSupport]

Again, using your brilliant logic....

how in the world would some random Findlay HS poster know if coach got his contract renewed or not??....

13-2...6-4...6-4...(against a freakin meat-grinder)

3-1 vs. McKinley

Some train wreck....:sleepy: yawn...you and your Stacy bashing bore me

[massillon catholic]

Again, using your brilliant logic....

how in the world would some random Findlay HS poster know if coach got his contract renewed or not??....




Why else would he go from one high school to another? Especially, when he has all along said he was going back to the college level.

[Obie Wan]

This is getting a little out of control. There is no serious talk about Stacy to Findlay; it's just one guy using him as a "for instance" in the greater subject of getting a new coach for Findlay. To wit (http://www.jjhuddle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101012): "As far as Stacy, I know we cannot get him, that was not the point of starting this thread."

[DAWGH8R]

13-2...6-4...6-4...(against a freakin meat-grinder)


The "meat-grinder" was in '03 when Shepas coached ! :wink:

[Keith]

The person on the huddle who brought up Coach Stacy is a know-it-all Findlay fan who is NEVER happy with the current coaching staff over there and lives under an illusion that Findlay is this incredible state football superpower. He's one of those "fans" that doesn't go to games all that often but yet thinks he's a supreme expert. There is nothing to that thread over there.

[RRanger]

I think they are talking about Findlay college not Findlay high school.

just talk, Tom Stacy will be back

[shortbev]

high school or college...we don't want him!!! we would like to head in a positive direction...like winning more than 50% of our games:crap:

one reason why stacy might consider findlay (either hs or college) there is definately not the pressure to win here like there is at massillon...some, but not as much...Massillon would be a 10 on the pressure cooker scale...and findlay would be less than a 5...

having said that...Findlay is a nice community to live in...have been here for almost 28 years, and stayed even after my husband died...about the size of Massillon...went to the university...again...small but nice...so, it would be a more enjoyable situation for him...and his lawn probably wouldn't be covered with for sale signs every weekend after a loss...


would be a bit of a massillon reunion...jay edel, drum major Tiger Swing Band back in early 70s lives here as well as a couple of others i went to school with and run into from time to time...

[massillon catholic]

just talk, Tom Stacy will be back


There's NO CHANCE!

[CarlE]

just talk, Tom Stacy will be back

Is there a monetary value you will put behind that statement?

[OTC TIGER]

I'll give the points..

[massillon catholic]

Is there a monetary value you will put behind that statement?

I'll risk my "fine reputation". Take it to the bank, he's gone!!!

[CarlE]

I'll risk my "fine reputation". Take it to the bank, he's gone!!!

I know. I was talking to RRanger.

[The Voice]

Tom's Gone.. BET THE BANK ON IT!

tv

[9293tiger]

Let me guess, Stacy leaves and we get another coach in looking to further his career like all the others since owens. They don't have the "PASSION" for the job and what comes with it. We need to high a in your face coach that will stay for 10 or more years, so a system can become a system for all the up and comers that are in middle school. A friend of mine whos kid is at the middle school said that stacy told the coaches he did'nt care about them winning, WHAT IS THAT!!!!! all they need to know is fundamentals. Can they teach both, Long live the LA / Longfellow rivalry.

[Obie Wan]

A friend of mine whos kid is at the middle school said that stacy told the coaches he did'nt care about them winning, WHAT IS THAT!!!!! all they need to know is fundamentals.
In defense of Stacy, there is some merit to that. If you view the lower levels as ongoing training for the varsity, the decisions that you make are a little different than the ones that you would make if the primary objective was to win
with the players on that specific team.

[massillon catholic]

Tom's Gone.. BET THE BANK ON IT!

tv

I wouldnt have put my "fine reputation" on the line if I wasnt sure he is gone!

[9293tiger]

I agree that kids at that age can't make those in game decisions but they need to know what it feels like to win. I agree that fundamentals are very important at all levels of the game. But they need to feel the wins to gain confidents in the fundamentals they are learneing.

[89tiger]

To sum up Tom Stacy:
#1. He is too conservative!
#2. He plays "not to lose" instead of "playing to win"!
#3. He doesnt put "ALL OF" the right players on the field!
Honestly, i like Stacy as a person; I like his character! But in my opinion, he's just too conservative. Coaching wise, i like a Tom Mck D. or a coach like Stubenville's got. A coach that's not afraid to take chances...A coach that "PLAYS TO WIN"! not "PLAY NOT TO LOSE"! as Stacy did! If Mck D had the talent we had this year, it would've been the Massillon Tigers 02' Season again! If Stubenville's coach had the team we had this year, WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS! POINT BLANK! Coach Stacy is a good man dont get me wrong; but he's just too CONSERVATIVE WITH HIS TALENT!

[massillon catholic]

Coach Stacy is a good man dont get me wrong; but he's just too CONSERVATIVE WITH HIS TALENT!

He wouldnt know talent if it hit him in the head:wall:

[SuperBran]

let's just go back to five wide at the goal line. that did wonders. and the quick kick made us feared.



oh wait.

stacy's no good! he lost to SOLON this year..........a team that one poster thinks doesn't even belong on the field with us! that loss was WAY more embarrassing than our loss to the powerhouse marion harding. (insert sarcasm here)


can't wait until stacy's gone. then we will have something else to whine like little girls about when we bring in another coach/system and end up 4-6 again.

the way some people whine and cry so much on this site, i can't believe they are actually adults. i guess you really need to get away from massillon to realize how foolish some of this stuff is.

people whined that our schedule wasn't strong enough to prepare us for the playoffs. we beefed up the schedule and then people whined that it was too hard and kept us out of the playoffs. people complained that teams like iggy and x have over twice as many boys as us. but don't even think about joining the fed b/c it's not good enough...........and don't even think about dropping down a division because we're massillon. no matter what the situation, there will always be adults who whine. i guess we'll just keep searching for that savior who will guide us to our first playoff title when the stars align in that very special way. until then there will more whining.

sometimes it's nice to be away and realize that there's much more to life than high school football.

[89tiger]

SuperBran...I,m not saying that "coach Stacey's no good". Like i said, i happen to like the man! All i,m saying is that, with the talent we had this year; another coach could've took this team AT LEAST to the playoffs! Thats all i'm saying. You or I could've coached this talent to the playoffs! We had "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TALENT" on this team this year! HANDS DOWN!!! Thats The Truth!

[cat]

100% behind your statement, Superbran. People need to take off their orange blinders and WAKEUP. The schools around us are surpassing us, while the people in this town point fingers at the coaches. Instead of tearing the program and its leaders down, people need to pull together and start helping the program. The successful programs don't have boosters and fans ripping on the coach about every play/decision. They have people who give 100% regardless of wins or losses. MASSILLON, We better WAKEUP...

[massillon catholic]

The successful programs don't have boosters and fans ripping on the coach about every play/decision.


They also dont have coaches who say they only want to stay for 2 or 3 years, as stacy did. But, they do have coaches that live in the town where they coach, just as stacy doesn't!!

[TigerSupport]

SuperBran...I,m not saying that "coach Stacey's no good". Like i said, i happen to like the man! All i,m saying is that, with the talent we had this year; another coach could've took this team AT LEAST to the playoffs! Thats all i'm saying. You or I could've coached this talent to the playoffs! We had "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TALENT" on this team this year! HANDS DOWN!!! Thats The Truth!

Up front on defense or offense, we didn't have "State Championship Talent". Plain and simple. Name a team we could have handled up front in DI that actually went somewhere.

[TigerSupport]

They also dont have coaches who say they only want to stay for 2 or 3 years, as stacy did. But, they do have coaches that live in the town where they coach, just as stacy doesn't!!

The place of residence wins a lot of football games!!!!!:lol:

Canal Fulton is literally 10 minutes from Massillon....I know in your fantasy world YOU might move...but 999/1000 would stay put. What's the point in moving 10 minutes? To make you happy!? Please.

I thought it was HILARIOUS in the editorials in the newspaper the other day that some lady from Massillon complained (among many other things she knew nothing about) about Tom not sending his last (of 4) child to Massillon for her junior/senior years. Uhhh...no offense but didn't NW (along with the likes of Jackson, etc) school district rate as "Excellent" in academic standards? Nuff said. I wouldn't send my child to another school away from all of their friends for two stinkin years, and waste a great education just to satisfy some upset Shep supporters. My co-workers and I got a huge laugh from it, especially because she had the balls to write her name down....lol moron!

[Obie Wan]

What's the point in moving 10 minutes? To make you happy!?
No, to keep a promise.

The issue is not place of residence, the issue is following through with statements and commitments. Stacy promised that he would move to Massillon; he said it was "important". I don't think that very many people care where he lives, but I think that a lot of people care about the apparent inconsistency between his words and his deeds.

At least two other candidates (Niswonger and Jacques) were taken out of consideration because of an alleged reluctance to move to Massillon. Public statements indicated that Massillon residency was a requirement. Perhaps you could tell us why this was only selectively enforced?

My co-workers and I got a huge laugh from it, especially because she had the balls to write her name down....lol moron!
Which is more balls than you seem to have. She deserves more respect for standing behind her comments than you do for hiding behind yours.

[SuperBran]

They also dont have coaches who say they only want to stay for 2 or 3 years, as stacy did. But, they do have coaches that live in the town where they coach, just as stacy doesn't!!

stacy was honest with everyone about his plans BEFORE he was hired. everyone knew his intentions before he was hired so you can't blame him for that.

also, i think where you live has nothing to do with anything. do all of our teachers live in massillon? how many people on this website actually live in the city they work? it's irrelevant. now, i DO understand obie wan's point about promises.

[SuperBran]

living in cincinnati, and having friends who attended elder, i hear a lot about the pride and passion they have for their program. the one thing that i admire about their program is that they stick behind the team no matter what the situation. you rarely hear people whining about firing the coach.....even when they have a difficult period to go through.

massillon will always be massillon. unfortunately there will always be criticism and complaints. unfortunately we'll have those people with the "for sale" signs waiting to stick in the coach's front lawn. unfortunately we'll have those armchair coaches who always feel like they could do a better job. what's even more sad is that there are people who seem to take pride in these actions. "we're massillon!" they say, as if it's some excues. it's truly is unfortunate and often embarrassing.

so what makes the "best" fans? is it numbers alone? if that's the case then i guess we're #1. or is it a sense of never ending loyalty and support? if that's what we look at then i honestly can't say that we're #1.

the only certain thing is that this isn't our grandfather's program anymore.

[massillon catholic]

also, i think where you live has nothing to do with anything..

It has EVERYTHING to do with credibility and Stacy has NONE. This was clearly evident with the lack of discipline on this years team.

[SuperBran]

It has EVERYTHING to do with credibility and Stacy has NONE. This was clearly evident with the lack of discipline on this years team.

what does credibility have anything to do with lack of discipline? i think you mistake creditilbity with leadership.

so just b/c he says that living in massillon is important, but doesn't move here, that means he has absolutely no credibility? if that's the standard then most people on here would have no credibility.

i can't believe that people are so hung up on this residency issue. man, i wish my life was so simple that this was a big issue to me. were people complaining about residency when we were making our way to the state finals?

what's funny to me is hearing some critics speak as though he's an embarrassment to our program....yet some of these critics are the same fools who, themselves, have embarrassed our program (see marion harding fiasco).

[massillon catholic]

what does credibility have anything to do with lack of discipline? i think you mistake creditilbity with leadership.

so just b/c he says that living in massillon is important, but doesn't move here, that means he has absolutely no credibility? if that's the standard then most people on here would have no credibility.

i can't believe that people are so hung up on this residency issue. man, i wish my life was so simple that this was a big issue to me. were people complaining about residency when we were making our way to the state finals?

what's funny to me is hearing some critics speak as though he's an embarrassment to our program....yet some of these critics are the same fools who, themselves, have embarrassed our program (see marion harding fiasco).

The real issue's are two things. 1. AH said it was a requirment for the job. 2. Stacy said he would do it. If other applicants were required then why didnt it apply to Stacy? If Stacy said he would, then why didnt he?

[SuperBran]

The real issue's are two things. 1. AH said it was a requirment for the job. 2. Stacy said he would do it. If other applicants were required then why didnt it apply to Stacy? If Stacy said he would, then why didnt he?

since stacy originally said that he would move, i would guess that it was a requirement. otherwise, why wouldn't he just be honest and say that he wasn't going to move (unless there was some reason he changed his mind)? if it was a requirement the real question, like you said, is why didn't he move. unfortunately he's the only person who can answer that and we can only speculate. there could be a completely acceptable explanation or there could be no explanation at all. either way, we shouldn't assume anything.

to say that he has no credibility when we don't have the facts is ridiculous.

[massillon catholic]

since stacy originally said that he would move, i would guess that it was a requirement. otherwise, why wouldn't he just be honest and say that he wasn't going to move (unless there was some reason he changed his mind)? if it was a requirement the real question, like you said, is why didn't he move. unfortunately he's the only person who can answer that and we can only speculate. there could be a completely acceptable explanation or there could be no explanation at all. either way, we shouldn't assume anything.

to say that he has no credibility when we don't have the facts is ridiculous.


I guess my point is, if the requirement changed then the other applicants that withdrew soley on that requirment should have been let back in the race.

[SuperBran]

I guess my point is, if the requirement changed then the other applicants that withdrew soley on that requirment should have been let back in the race.

i totally agree, but only a handful of people really know. like i said, it could be that it was a requirement but he decided not to move for some reason. we can speculate all we want but we shouldn't crucify him when we don't know the facts.

[massillon catholic]

i totally agree, but only a handful of people really know. like i said, it could be that it was a requirement but he decided not to move for some reason. we can speculate all we want but we shouldn't crucify him when we don't know the facts.


That's fair enough.

[OTC TIGER]

Up front on defense or offense, we didn't have "State Championship Talent". Plain and simple. Name a team we could have handled up front in DI that actually went somewhere.

Did you watch Coldwater beat Mooney last week...I can tell you flat out Coldwater didn't have perceived "State Championship Talent" up front..they had a bunch of kids who had desire and heart and blocked a bunch of D1 "State Championship Talent"...Massillon had kids like that but were out of position (Yoder, Vargas, S.Clark)...once again it is the coaches job to get his players in the best positions for the sake of the team and to get them to believe in themselves...I don't know that this was accomplished this past season :sad:

[massillon catholic]

Did you watch Coldwater beat Mooney last week...I can tell you flat out Coldwater didn't have perceived "State Championship Talent" up front..they had a bunch of kids who had desire and heart and blocked a bunch of D1 "State Championship Talent"...Massillon had kids like that but were out of position (Yoder, Vargas, S.Clark)...once again it is the coaches job to get his players in the best positions for the sake of the team and to get them to believe in themselves...I don't know that this was accomplished this past season :sad:

Massillon had plenty of talent. Certainly more than Solon and Normandy. And, probably more than Iggy and Mentor. But, like you said the talent was out of position.

[SuperBran]

Did you watch Coldwater beat Mooney last week...I can tell you flat out Coldwater didn't have perceived "State Championship Talent" up front..they had a bunch of kids who had desire and heart and blocked a bunch of D1 "State Championship Talent"...

but how often does david beat goliath? look at massillon vs. iggy to find out.

you say that heart and desire can overcome talent. couldn't that be said for normandy this year? why is it that when coldwater upsets mooney it's because of heart and desire, but when a team upsets us it's always bad coaching?

also, how many coaches have we had recently who have pull off what coldwater did (i.e., lead a team with heart and desire over a much more talented team)? shepas didn't. rose didn't. i can't even recall owens doing so.

once again it is the coaches job to get his players in the best positions for the sake of the team and to get them to believe in themselves...I don't know that this was accomplished this past season :sad:

so you think these kids didn't believe in themselves? please explain why (besides speculation).

stacy seemed to get gamble, huth, and paulik in the right positions. oh, i forgot, he stole that plan from shepas. LOL.

[SuperBran]

Massillon had plenty of talent. Certainly more than Solon.

not if you go by all-ohio players.

i'm sure if you asked solon fans they'd say they had more talent. it's all subjective.

[massillon catholic]

stacy seemed to get gamble, huth, and paulik in the right positions..


What about Dailey, Turner, Torrence, Yoder, Vargas, Clark, Pettis, Scassa? The truth is, the asst. coaches who remained from Shepas's staff recommended to stacy where to put Gamble, Huth and Paulik. However, in fairness to stacy, he didnt arrive until June so he didnt have much time to evaluate that talent.

[massillon catholic]

not if you go by all-ohio players.

i'm sure if you asked solon fans they'd say they had more talent. it's all subjective.

Do you honestly believe that Solon had more talent than Massillon?

[SuperBran]

Do you honestly believe that Solon had more talent than Massillon?

i said it is subjective. go to a solon site and they'll say they had more talent. on this site of course people will say massillon.........although just about everyone knows nothing about solon football except for what they gathered in one game.

i will say that you don't go to the playoffs nine straight years without talent.

does the loss to solon shock me? being objective.....no. i was more shocked when we lost to marion harding and perry.

[massillon catholic]

i will say that you don't go to the playoffs nine straight years without talent.


I never said that they didnt have talent. I said they didnt have AS MUCH talent as Massillon.

[SuperBran]

I never said that they didnt have talent. I said they didnt have AS MUCH talent as Massillon.

even if massillon had more talent, it's not like comparing st. x to mckinley. the talent levels are probably not that far off.

solon is a solid football program. one poster in particular said that they didn't belong on the same field as us! now THAT'S a statement. people said the same thing before we played MH and perry.

[massillon catholic]

even if massillon had more talent, it's not like comparing st. x to mckinley. the talent levels are probably not that far off.

solon is a solid football program. one poster in particular said that they didn't belong on the same field as us! now THAT'S a statement. people said the same thing before we played MH and perry.

Solon is a very solid team and have been for many years. Perry should have never beaten us. Shep blew that game.

[mike_da_man13]

Solon is a very solid team and have been for many years. Perry should have never beaten us. Shep blew that game.

but to say that solon, mentor, iggy, or normandy had better athletes or even as good of athletes as us is really stretching it

[OTC TIGER]

so you think these kids didn't believe in themselves? please explain why (besides speculation).
When the coach calls a run consistenly on 3rd and long and flat out tells you
were not going to throw the ball much...regardless of talent..what does that say to the team...when the head coach tells the Massillon kid you're going to start at running back against Middletown and starts the Transfer...what's that telling that young man...If the head man believes in you the Kids will respond accordingly...BTW this is something that needs to happen starting in jr high from the head man I.E. Mike Currence

stacy seemed to get gamble, huth, and paulik in the right positions. oh, i forgot, he stole that plan from shepas. LOL.

Your continued barbs at Shep are laughable...take an objective look for a change...Shep IS a head coach in college and has improved each year he's been there and just missing the D3 playoffs this year..all the while his successor has regressed each year and will possibly be looking for work

[massillon catholic]

Your continued barbs at Shep are laughable...take an objective look for a change...Shep IS a head coach in college and has improved each year he's been there and just missing the D3 playoffs this year..all the while his successor has regressed each year and will possibly be looking for work


Good points!

[TigerSupport]

Did you watch Coldwater beat Mooney last week...I can tell you flat out Coldwater didn't have perceived "State Championship Talent" up front..they had a bunch of kids who had desire and heart and blocked a bunch of D1 "State Championship Talent"...Massillon had kids like that but were out of position (Yoder, Vargas, S.Clark)...once again it is the coaches job to get his players in the best positions for the sake of the team and to get them to believe in themselves...I don't know that this was accomplished this past season :sad:

You're telling me that you wanted Vargas and Clark...where?...on the OLine?.....Ok my football conversation with YOU is officially over.

[Benchboss1]

even if massillon had more talent, it's not like comparing st. x to mckinley. the talent levels are probably not that far off.

solon is a solid football program. one poster in particular said that they didn't belong on the same field as us! now THAT'S a statement. people said the same thing before we played MH and perry.



Not sure if you were trying to get a rise out of me or not, but I will post and reiterate that I do not feel that Solon belonged on the same field as us this past season talent wise. Coaching wise, they were far superior than we were, obviously.

I do agree with you that Solon has a fine football program, very respectable, but they did NOT match up with us TALENT wise this past season! It is our own fault that we did not/could not put that talent in the right positions to succeed.

[TigerSupport]

Your continued barbs at Shep are laughable...take an objective look for a change...Shep IS a head coach in college and has improved each year he's been there and just missing the D3 playoffs this year..all the while his successor has regressed each year and will possibly be looking for work

So going 4-6 two years in a row isn't regressing? Oh okay...thanks. Just makin sure. BTW....DIII football in PA much less in Ohio is laughable. (with the exception of Mount, who gets all the Prop 48s and dropouts of DI and DII schools)

[Benchboss1]

You're telling me that you wanted Vargas and Clark...where?...on the OLine?.....Ok my football conversation with YOU is officially over.

I would have liked to see us at LEAST try an offensive line that included Vargas as a guard, Yoder as a tackle and S. Clark as a tight end. Are you saying that they would have/could have performed worse than what we went with?

[TigerSupport]

Not sure if you were trying to get a rise out of me or not, but I will post and reiterate that I do not feel that Solon belonged on the same field as us this past season talent wise. Coaching wise, they were far superior than we were, obviously.

I do agree with you that Solon has a fine football program, very respectable, but they did NOT match up with us TALENT wise this past season! It is our own fault that we did not/could not put that talent in the right positions to succeed.

So because Solon beat us they automatically have an "Obviously Better" staff. Uhm...pass whatever you're drinking, PLEASE! It's gotta be good. I'll take Massillon's staff any day of the week. That's good rationale. So when Texas Tech lost to the unknown, barely DI school this past week...that means that Bobby Knight is not as good of a coach as the crappy team they lost to? Ok...the world makes sense. (I don't know if you need this explained, but I'll take a guess and say yes) Bobby Knight is the all-time winningest basketball coach.

The problem with this board is there is no accountability to the players. This staff, whether you want to believe it or not, was one of the best in Ohio - if not THE best. Look who was on the staff. Checca, Rose, Kovacs, Palma, Partridge...you have years and years of experience. Hackenbrack...Harrig....these coaches were overacheivers in my book. Again, look at the last two 6-4 seasons and tell me what losses were bad losses.

'06 - Iggy, Moeller, Warren, Mentor
'07 - Iggy, Normandy (DII deep playoffs), Solon, Mentor

BTW...nobody has ever beaten Iggy except Stacy and Co.

[Obie Wan]

I would have liked to see us at LEAST try an offensive line that included Vargas as a guard, Yoder as a tackle and S. Clark as a tight end. Are you saying that they would have/could have performed worse than what we went with?
Matt Rose would have been an interesting candidate for the OL as well.

[Benchboss1]

So because Solon beat us they automatically have an "Obviously Better" staff. Uhm...pass whatever you're drinking, PLEASE! It's gotta be good. I'll take Massillon's staff any day of the week. That's good rationale. So when Texas Tech lost to the unknown, barely DI school this past week...that means that Bobby Knight is not as good of a coach as the crappy team they lost to? Ok...the world makes sense. (I don't know if you need this explained, but I'll take a guess and say yes) Bobby Knight is the all-time winningest basketball coach.

The problem with this board is there is no accountability to the players. This staff, whether you want to believe it or not, was one of the best in Ohio - if not THE best. Look who was on the staff. Checca, Rose, Kovacs, Palma, Partridge...you have years and years of experience. Hackenbrack...Harrig....these coaches were overacheivers in my book. Again, look at the last two 6-4 seasons and tell me what losses were bad losses.

'06 - Iggy, Moeller, Warren, Mentor
'07 - Iggy, Normandy (DII deep playoffs), Solon, Mentor

BTW...nobody has ever beaten Iggy except Stacy and Co.


Yes, because Solon beat us that DOES make their staff better than ours, at least in that game. When the opponent continues to stack the box with 15 guys and we continue to run at it, then yes, they out coached us.

Just looking at this past season, I will be generous and say that only 3 of those losses were bad losses. Normandy, Solon and Mentor.

[Benchboss1]

Matt Rose would have been an interesting candidate for the OL as well.

I TOTALLY agree. He at least warranted a look at guard.

[npaflas]

living in cincinnati, and having friends who attended elder, i hear a lot about the pride and passion they have for their program. the one thing that i admire about their program is that they stick behind the team no matter what the situation. you rarely hear people whining about firing the coach.....even when they have a difficult period to go through.

massillon will always be massillon. unfortunately there will always be criticism and complaints. unfortunately we'll have those people with the "for sale" signs waiting to stick in the coach's front lawn. unfortunately we'll have those armchair coaches who always feel like they could do a better job. what's even more sad is that there are people who seem to take pride in these actions. "we're massillon!" they say, as if it's some excues. it's truly is unfortunate and often embarrassing.

so what makes the "best" fans? is it numbers alone? if that's the case then i guess we're #1. or is it a sense of never ending loyalty and support? if that's what we look at then i honestly can't say that we're #1.

the only certain thing is that this isn't our grandfather's program anymore.

It was that way when i was up there. Win or Lose TIGERS alway's. Of course things change. I think it is getting carried away with the coach. And the team. I know everybody wants us to win but we don't need to get carried away when we don't.

[Purple Hayes]

We had "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TALENT" on this team this year! HANDS DOWN!!! Thats The Truth!

There is absolutely no way the Massillon team that I saw this year had "State Championship Talent"...not even close.

2 good RBs, 1 Down Lineman, a very good kicker and a gutsy safety is not state championship talent! That is absolutely delusional!!

This is where some of the problems come in...

[massillon catholic]

There is absolutely no way the Massillon team that I saw this year had "State Championship Talent"...not even close.

2 good RBs, 1 Down Lineman, a very good kicker and a gutsy safety is not state championship talent!


That's because the talent to be on the O- Line was never put there. BTW, Massilon had THREE damn good RB's, you only saw two because......Well!

[massillon catholic]

. Again, look at the last two 6-4 seasons and tell me what losses were bad losses.

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Whitmer, Warren last year, Normandy, Solon, Mentor last year, Moeller last year. Massillon shouldnt have lost one of these games.

[Red50Go]

There is absolutely no way the Massillon team that I saw this year had "State Championship Talent"...not even close.

2 good RBs, 1 Down Lineman, a very good kicker and a gutsy safety is not state championship talent! That is absolutely delusional!!

This is where some of the problems come in...

PH, you are a pretty fair and objective poster so you get the benefit of doubt. But what you saw and what we had are 2 different things. Only hindsight could have told ANYBODY in the entire state Turner would not play O or DT not play D. Thats 2 4-star OSU recruits right there, and I could go for a whole other paragraph. Execution, effort, and attitude are what we lacked. Hindsight also shows we clearly ran the wrong offense, plain & simple. We made some changes but it was too late before we knew it. The buck has to stop somewhere.

[TigerSupport]

I would have liked to see us at LEAST try an offensive line that included Vargas as a guard, Yoder as a tackle and S. Clark as a tight end. Are you saying that they would have/could have performed worse than what we went with?

YES.

[TigerSupport]

Yes, because Solon beat us that DOES make their staff better than ours, at least in that game. When the opponent continues to stack the box with 15 guys and we continue to run at it, then yes, they out coached us.

Just looking at this past season, I will be generous and say that only 3 of those losses were bad losses. Normandy, Solon and Mentor.

Normandy went DEEP into the playoffs and Mentor was in the State title game. We should have beaten Mentor...so how are those bad losses???????????

[TigerSupport]

Whitmer, Warren last year, Normandy, Solon, Mentor last year, Moeller last year. Massillon shouldnt have lost one of these games.

Moeller and Mentor???? (as you take another hit)

[Benchboss1]

Normandy went DEEP into the playoffs and Mentor was in the State title game. We should have beaten Mentor...so how are those bad losses???????????

Did you actually watch the Normandy game? If you did, then you should know why we should NEVER have lost that game!

As far as the Mentor game goes, I happen to believe that if you score 50 points, you SHOULD NOT lose the game, against anybody!!

[massillon catholic]

Did you actually watch the Normandy game? If you did, then you should know why we should NEVER have lost that game!

As far as the Mentor game goes, I happen to believe that if you score 50 points, you SHOULD NOT lose the game, against anybody!!

BB1: Save your breath. He'll be gone soon just like his buddy.

[MTigers006]

also, how many coaches have we had recently who have pull off what coldwater did (i.e., lead a team with heart and desire over a much more talented team)? shepas didn't. rose didn't. i can't even recall owens doing so.


Coach Tom Stacy did in 2005 against a very good St. Edwards team in the state semi-finals in 2005.

[MTigers006]

I for one would like to now the opinion of Coach Payne and if he would have played anyone differently. I believe Coach Payne is a coach on the rise and I would NOT be surprised to see him and his staff make a return home to Paul Brown Tiger Stadium someday and hold the position long term as has been mentioned before to establish a system, improve the feeder systems, and improve the strength and conditioning program to Coach Studer levels and reestablish the WV Speed & Strength drills.

Just my little input on this without bashing anyone.

Why Coach Payne? Because I concider him a friend and I strongly endorce and support him as a former classmate. His actions at Lex are speaking MUCH more loudly than words.

With all due respect to Coach Stacy and what he did his first year here did we make a big mistake by turning down a former Tiger?

Also I dont exspect Coach Hack to be going anywhere soon.

I believe the key to success here is to let the coaches do thier jobs and offer our support as fans and build a staff with people who played here and or familiar with the traditions and pride we have here.

We are Massillon. Massillon Always.




I Love This City

[CarlE]

YES.

You really are clueless, aren't you? Go away.

[The Butler]

Fred Blosser's resignation and Coach Stacy's status is the subject of Todd Porter's Sunday Special.

Sunday Special: Tigertown twists and turns
By Todd Porter
Repository sports writer

There aren’t many school district superintendents who can top Fred Blosser’s background and experience on a football field. Blosser, who announced last week he is retiring as superintendent of Massillon City Schools, brings a perspective to athletics that few in his position have.

Massillon’s football program and the future of head coach Tom Stacy is in flux. Stacy is at the end of a three-year contract. Overtures are being made that a new board of education will not renew Stacy’s contract or Stacy will leave before that point. Given his background, Blosser’s opinion matters, regardless of his lame-duck status.

http://www.cantonrep.com/printable.php?ID=390738

[RRanger]

There's NO CHANCE!

I talked to Tom Stacy,last night he told me something differant

[massillon catholic]

I talked to Tom Stacy,last night he told me something differant


I dont care who you talked too. At this point its not up to stacy. His contract will NOT be re-newed. Stay tuned.

[CATS44]

We didnt have enough talent to put a superior offense on the field?

Excuse me?

OL...Yoder, Rose, Dingler...a pretty fair trio right there. Add Comieux, Seidler, Arnold et all to the mix, and you cant put together a solid O Line?

For the skill positions we had...Jackson, Torrence, Turner, Massey, and Herring.

Lack of talent wasnt the problem, folks.

If we had that kind of talent coming back next year, we would all be typing away in expectations of high voltage on the field in 2008.

Quite simply, the job didnt get done. We can all opine as to what went wrong, but the job didnt get done, and it wasnt because the talent wasnt there.

[massillon catholic]

We didnt have enough talent to put a superior offense on the field?

Excuse me?

OL...Yoder, Rose, Dingler...a pretty fair trio right there. Add Comieux, Seidler, Arnold et all to the mix, and you cant put together a solid O Line?

For the skill positions we had...Jackson, Torrence, Turner, Massey, and Herring.

Lack of talent wasnt the problem, folks.

If we had that kind of talent coming back next year, we would all be typing away in expectations of high voltage on the field in 2008.

Quite simply, the job didnt get done. We can all opine as to what went wrong, but the job didnt get done, and it wasnt because the talent wasnt there.


This team had more talent than the 91 team, IMO.

[man2man]

Man, this is a funny thread. Almost 90% of this thread is absolute nonsense.

I'm curious - does anyone have a link to any reputable source that says that residency was in fact a requirement for the coaching job? I would be interested in seeing it. I think that might be illegal in Ohio so I doubt that it was a requirement but I don't know so I'd like to see for myself.

Stacy was never required to move to Massillon, nor should he be. It's childish and lame to bring it up.Funny no one cared in '05. Farrah seems to coach OK in Louisville while residing in NC.

As long as Blosser is there, it's all still in Stacy's hands. If he gets a better offer for his family and himself, he should take it. He's sorting through his offers now and will decide after the holidays.

What would be most interesting is if some of the know-nothings actually knew whicj bowl game he will be attending :biggrin:

[Obie Wan]

I'm curious - does anyone have a link to any reputable source that says that residency was in fact a requirement for the coaching job? I would be interested in seeing it. I think that might be illegal in Ohio so I doubt that it was a requirement but I don't know so I'd like to see for myself.

Stacy was never required to move to Massillon, nor should he be.
From Al Hennon (http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=3052&Category=): "Russ [Jacques] asked how strongly we felt about residency and I told him we felt strongly about the coach living here. ...clearly relocating was going to be an issue for him, so we’re done."

Or maybe you'd rather hear what Tom Stacy said (http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=3052&Category=) about moving to Massillon: "I’m going to move, it’s just a matter of when. ... I do think it’s important you live in the school district you work in."

Or do you consider neither of these to be a reputable source?

Or maybe you'll say that "feeling strongly" isn't technically a "requirement". Which still leaves you in the uncomfortable position of having to explain Stacy's unfulfilled promise.

As long as Blosser is there, it's all still in Stacy's hands.
Haven't you heard? Blosser's gone.

And that banging you hear outside is the gallows being built. The only question is whether Stacy waits for the hangman or offs himself the night before.

If he gets a better offer for his family and himself, he should take it.
Any offer is better than unemployment.

What would be most interesting is if some of the know-nothings actually knew whicj bowl game he will be attending
And it would most disturbing if anyone cared. You complain about people stalking Stacy, and then you make some sneering remark that they're supposed to know his holiday plans?

[chap]

Great Post Obie Wan!

[CATS44]

Obie Wan pushes Man2Man into the ropes.

He leads with a big right that staggers man2man.....and another...and a short left hook to the chin.

Man2Man tries to get off the ropes, but Obie Wan lands a tremendous right uppercut.

Man2Man seems to have no answer for this onslaught as his legs look gone. He is hanging on to the ropes in a daze.

:help2:

[massillon catholic]

Fine rebuttal Obie Wan!

[SuperBran]

Your continued barbs at Shep are laughable...take an objective look for a change...

objective look??? lol. that's what i've been doing for a long time. here's an objective look for you:

- 3 out of 7 seasons were losing seasons. look how many years before that it took us to accumulate three losing seasons.
- NEVER beat a favored opponent. shepas lost every game that we were favored to lose. how was he going to bring us a state championship when you could point out which games we'd lose?
- back to back losing seasons. want to guess that last time that happened?
- destroyed by a mckinley team that had only beaten a d.c. team and a canadian team. and before you mention that massillon only had 4 wins coming into that game, please remember that massillon played a MUCH harder schedule than mckinley's fed schedule.
- collapse against a perry team that we beat by 3 tds in the regular season. should we not have won that game?

there's an objective view for you. nope, it's YOUR attempts that are laughable.

Shep IS a head coach in college and has improved each year he's been there and just missing the D3 playoffs this year..

what does his college record have to do with his high school coaching days? steve spurrier was a great college coach that didn't do squat in the pros. we're talking apples to oranges. just b/c shep is a good college coach it doesn't automaticall mean that he was a great high school coach.

all the while his successor has regressed each year and will possibly be looking for work

kinda like how shepas regressed his last last two years??? or did you forget that? yeah, we were really feared when we were 4-6. if you think THAT'S massillon football then i feel sorry for you. it's sad when people accept losing records.

[SuperBran]

Not sure if you were trying to get a rise out of me or not, but I will post and reiterate that I do not feel that Solon belonged on the same field as us this past season talent wise.

did you feel that perry in 99 or marion harding in 00 belonged on the same field as us? how many people thought they did before those games?

Coaching wise, they were far superior than we were, obviously.

so you'd agree that shepas was outcoached against perry and marion harding? afterall, we beat perry by 3 tds earlier in the year.

I do agree with you that Solon has a fine football program, very respectable, but they did NOT match up with us TALENT wise this past season! It is our own fault that we did not/could not put that talent in the right positions to succeed.

and it goes to show that talent doesn't always win games. it sometimes takes a lot more.

we may have had more talent than solon, but it wasn't as great of a gap to be able to say that they didn't belong on the same field as us.

if we went by talent alone we wouldn't even play the games. if we went by talent alone then we shouldn't even think of winning a division 1 title b/c it will be EXTREMELY rare that we'll have the most talented team in the state. teams like x, colerain, iggy, etc. will have more talent across the board. by your logic we shouldn't even step on the field with a team like iggy just about every year.

the truth is that we're going to get by teams that shouldn't beat us. it happens to every top program. i don't care who our coach is, to think that we'll always beat less talented teams is ridiculous. again, this isn't your grandfather's program. this isn't the 40's. every team is going to lose games they shouldn't. it happened to owens, as well as rose and shepas. do i like that idea? of course not, but i'd be a fool to think it can't or won't happen.

[TigerSupport]

You really are clueless, aren't you? Go away.

In from left field soars in Carl! Your friends getting mopped or something? Nobody seems to have answers for my posts - do you? All you can say is "go away"? You are beyond clueless, you're delusional.

[massillon catholic]

In from left field soars in Carl! Your friends getting mopped or something? Nobody seems to have answers for my posts - do you? All you can say is "go away"? You are beyond clueless, you're delusional.

Please promise that you will quit posting when stacy resigns! PLEASE!!!

[TigerSupport]

I won't want to be a Massillon fan if they don't rehire Stacy because I'll be so ashamed of the board's decision and embarrassed to be a fan.....not resigning this coach is a huge, gigantic mistake.

[Benchboss1]

did you feel that perry in 99 or marion harding in 00 belonged on the same field as us? how many people thought they did before those games?

so you'd agree that shepas was outcoached against perry and marion harding? afterall, we beat perry by 3 tds earlier in the year.


and it goes to show that talent doesn't always win games. it sometimes takes a lot more.

we may have had more talent than solon, but it wasn't as great of a gap to be able to say that they didn't belong on the same field as us.



if we went by talent alone we wouldn't even play the games. if we went by talent alone then we shouldn't even think of winning a division 1 title b/c it will be EXTREMELY rare that we'll have the most talented team in the state. teams like x, colerain, iggy, etc. will have more talent across the board. by your logic we shouldn't even step on the field with a team like iggy just about every year.

the truth is that we're going to get by teams that shouldn't beat us. it happens to every top program. i don't care who our coach is, to think that we'll always beat less talented teams is ridiculous. again, this isn't your grandfather's program. this isn't the 40's. every team is going to lose games they shouldn't. it happened to owens, as well as rose and shepas. do i like that idea? of course not, but i'd be a fool to think it can't or won't happen.


No, those teams did not belong on the same field as us that year.


The major difference between the two scenarios is that at least Shep put his talent in the correct positions, Stacy did NOT do that!

Shep also was trying everything he could to win the game, execution was a bit lacking that night. Do ytou remember the pass in the corner of the end zone that we called twice in a row? It was WIDE open, Irwin just could not complete it that night. Stacy kept running the ball between the tackles all night, even though Solon had 8-10 guys in the box.

I think we all know why we lost the Marion Harding game, don't we?

[Benchboss1]

I won't want to be a Massillon fan if they don't rehire Stacy because I'll be so ashamed of the board's decision and embarrassed to be a fan.....not resigning this coach is a huge, gigantic mistake.


PLEASE tell us that this is a promise!!!

[TigerSupport]

Yeah because you guys have all of the answers - I'm only the crazy one with the brain....

[massillon catholic]

I won't want to be a Massillon fan if they don't rehire Stacy because I'll be so ashamed of the board's decision and embarrassed to be a fan.....not resigning this coach is a huge, gigantic mistake.


TS: Its over!

[massillon catholic]

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I think we all know why we lost the Marion Harding game, don't we?

That game was played before either team took the field.

[massillon catholic]

I won't want to be a Massillon fan if they don't rehire Stacy .



You arent now! You are a stacy fan:wall:

[SuperBran]

No, those teams did not belong on the same field as us that year.

so shepas is guilty of the same "embarrassing" losses that you accuse stacy of.

The major difference between the two scenarios is that at least Shep put his talent in the correct positions, Stacy did NOT do that!

but does it matter where everyone's at when you're outcoached?

not many people outside of massillon picked us to beat eds in 2005. same with iggy.....yet we won. what games did shepas win where we weren't picked to win? that's a fair question, yet no one seems to be able to answer it.

Stacy kept running the ball between the tackles all night, even though Solon had 8-10 guys in the box.

did we have any other choice? honestly, our passing game wasn't spectacular and solon is a solid program. we had a qb who went from being third string to being thrust into the spotlight. big change.

i find it hilarious that every loss that shepas had was blamed on everything BUT shepas. it was the lack of talent or the amount of talent on the other end. with stacy, though, we can only reiterate that the coach is ultimately responsible. that's fair enough, but why not hold shepas responsible for our losses? regardless of what anyone says, we should have beaten perry in 1999. we should have beaten iggy when we were up big in the fourth.

regardless of whether or not people think stacy is the right guy for our program, the one thing that is certain is that shepas was not. anyone who thinks otherwise is completely crazy.

[massillon catholic]

we had a qb who went from being third string to being thrust into the spotlight. big change.
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I thought stacy was a QB coach that could develop QB's? BTW, I do blame Shepas for our losses against Warren. Kicking to Manningham was as bad as running up the middle against Solon and throwing four straight passes against Whitmer with over 2:00 minutes left.

[SuperBran]

I thought stacy was a QB coach that could develop QB's? BTW, I do blame Shepas for our losses against Warren. Kicking to Manningham was as bad as running up the middle against Solon and throwing four straight passes against Whitmer with over 2:00 minutes left.

even the best qb coaches aren't miracle workers. charlie weis is known as a qb coach, but he hasn't turned the #1 rated high school qb in the country into a star yet. watch claussen and he looks bad (and rightfully so being a freshman). does that make weis a bad qb coach? like i said, our qb went from third string to starting qb. that's a big leap.

[Obie Wan]

Can I make a suggestion?

Shepas is gone. It's likely that Stacy soon will be. As such, would it not be more productive to stop this pissing contest about the unchangeable past and focus your apparently abundant energies on creating the best possible future?

Ta.