Over at the huddle....

[MTigers006]

Can I make a suggestion?

Shepas is gone. It's likely that Stacy soon will be. As such, would it not be more productive to stop this pissing contest about the unchangeable past and focus your apparently abundant energies on creating the best possible future?

Ta.

Excellent ObieWan!

[TigerSupport]

SuperBran I couldn't agree more

[CATS44]

Comparing Stacy to Weis doesnt help your cause.

[TigerSupport]

There's never been a coach completely undefeated his whole career, thus, Massillon fans will never be happy with any coach, any hire, or any comparisons because they want perfection, by golly!:doh:

[Obie Wan]

There's never been a coach completely undefeated his whole career, thus, Massillon fans will never be happy with any coach, any hire, or any comparisons because they want perfection, by golly!:doh:
Neither Earle Bruce nor Augie Morningstar lost a game as head coach at Massillon.

[massillon catholic]

There's never been a coach completely undefeated his whole career, thus, Massillon fans will never be happy with any coach, any hire, or any comparisons because they want perfection, by golly!:doh:

This goes to show that you have no knowledge of the history of Massillon Tiger Football. Do some research before opening your trap.

[massillon catholic]

charlie weis is known as a qb coach, but he hasn't turned the #1 rated high school qb in the country into a star yet..

Weis had nine months with clausen, stacy had THREE YEARS with CW.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=massillon catholic;88111] BTW, I do blame Shepas for our losses against Warren. Kicking to Manningham QUOTE]

Shep specifically told the kicker (MS) not to kick to Manningham...ask TigerCoach he was there

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE]

Shep specifically told the kicker (MS) not to kick to Manningham...ask TigerCoach he was there

Well, that may change it a little bit. But, its still coaching if the player doesnt listen and I am a Shep fan.

[savage4president]

I've never proclaimed myself as a Football genius...but I have noticed 1 thing at every level of football. Longevity at the Head Position is very important. Massillon is so rich in tradition and so respected by other football programs at the next level, that it becomes almost impossible to bring a coach in for an extended period of time. In my humble opinion...Massillon needs a quality coach and a quality guy, who does NOT want to go to the next level. A man that is comfortble being a High School Coach, and sombody that is in for the "long haul".

I wish I had more time on my hands to go through and take a look at the teams that have won state championships, and how long the coaches have been there.

[TigerCoach]

[QUOTE]

Shep specifically told the kicker (MS) not to kick to Manningham...ask TigerCoach he was there

He not only told him, he grabbed him by the facemask and told him 3 freakin' times! When he kicked it, all I could hear is Shep saying, "WTF?"

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE=OTC TIGER;88155]
I could hear is Shep saying, "WTF?"


I said, "OH,NO"!

[SuperBran]

Weis had nine months with clausen, stacy had THREE YEARS with CW.

in 2005, seeing as how cw wasn't one of our top 3 qbs, i'm guessing he didn't have a lot of time with stacy.

in 2006 he was third string (and attempted only one pass all year), so i'm guessing huth and ryder saw 99% of his time.

regardless of the amount of time spent with cw, i stress again that qb coaches aren't miracle workers. if they were akili smith would be a star in the nfl. some players just don't learn like other players. the greatest qb coach in the world is not always going to turn EVERY qb into a star.

in cw's case, a 118 rating for a first year starter who threw ONE pass in his varsity career is not too bad at all. what did we expect, the second coming of zwick??? he struggled against teams like mentor and iggy, but can you fault him for that?

[SuperBran]

Comparing Stacy to Weis doesnt help your cause.

i'm not comparing stacy to weis. i'm comparing stacy's situation to weis' situation. there's a difference.

[OTC TIGER]

i'm comparing stacy's situation to weis' situation. there's a difference.

You're right...Stacy had talent...Weis doesn't

[SuperBran]

You're right...Stacy had talent...Weis doesn't


really???

the last two years ND had top ten recruiting classes. osu wasn't in the top ten either of those years.

should that equate to a three win season?

weis had talent, but has yet to develop it.

[massillon catholic]

in 2005, seeing as how cw wasn't one of our top 3 qbs, i'm guessing he didn't have a lot of time with stacy.

?

Stacy came to Massillon bragging about how he developed Butchie Washington and Charlie Frye. Also, you've made my point about stacy not caring about the underclassmen. When you say in 2005 CW wasnt one of our top three QB's and he didnt spend a lot of time with stacy......Why not??? Isnt that the time to start developing?

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=TigerSupport;87915]BTW....DIII football in PA much less in Ohio is laughable. QUOTE]

You obviously are clueless about DIII football...Kids at these schools are there first for an education and second for atheletics...They play the sport for the love of the game and the competition...go to a Walsh game or a Wooster game you will see 2000 people tops...The kids may not be as big or
talented as OSU but it's still College Football...without the lights and glory and most if not all graduate...laugh all you want...I'll take a bunch DIII kids that love the game and in some cases wash there own uniforms over a bunch of spoiled DI kids who don't show up for class or think the world owes them a free pass to the NFL

[tigerfred]

[[I]Superbran you hit the nail right on the head.People in this town need to get a life and quit living in the '50's. If Stacey would have been 9-1 or 10-0 he would have been God. As far as having great talent this year somebody isn't playing with a full deck.
oh wait.

stacy's no good! he lost to SOLON this year..........a team that one poster thinks doesn't even belong on the field with us! that loss was WAY more embarrassing than our loss to the powerhouse marion harding. (insert sarcasm here)


can't wait until stacy's gone. then we will have something else to whine like little girls about when we bring in another coach/system and end up 4-6 again.

the way some people whine and cry so much on this site, i can't believe they are actually adults. i guess you really need to get away from massillon to realize how foolish some of this stuff is.

people whined that our schedule wasn't strong enough to prepare us for the playoffs. we beefed up the schedule and then people whined that it was too hard and kept us out of the playoffs. people complained that teams like iggy and x have over twice as many boys as us. but don't even think about joining the fed b/c it's not good enough...........and don't even think about dropping down a division because we're massillon. no matter what the situation, there will always be adults who whine. i guess we'll just keep searching for that savior who will guide us to our first playoff title when the stars align in that very special way. until then there will more whining.

sometimes it's nice to be away and realize that there's much more to life than high school football.[/QUOTE]

[CarlE]

This is a great post, tigerfred. You are absolutely right. There are NO right answers to this because someone will always think the other way. I don't know HOW you win here.

Well, I do. Some 2,000 years ago, in the City of Bethlehem a child was born. Destined to become the Savior to the World.

Quite honestly, I suspect anything short of Him will always fall short of expectations in Tigertown!!! LOL.

[SuperBran]

Stacy came to Massillon bragging about how he developed Butchie Washington and Charlie Frye.

some would say he bragged, some would say he stated a fact proudly. it depends on your views of stacy. i think it's the fans who have been the ones bragging about his development of those qbs.

again, even the best coaches aren't miracle workers. stacy did a fine job with huth. just b/c he didn't turn cw into an all-ohio qb, it doesn't mean he didn't develop him. again, cw threw ONE pass his entire varsity career before this year.

Also, you've made my point about stacy not caring about the underclassmen. When you say in 2005 CW wasnt one of our top three QB's and he didnt spend a lot of time with stacy......Why not??? Isnt that the time to start developing?

you ask why not? b/c that's they way it works. if you think it's b/c he doesn't care then you mistaken. as a head coach he can't be everywhere at all times. unfortunately a coach is not going to be able to spend a lot of time with fourth and fifth string players, and in cw's case a player who happens to be a sophomore. most of his time is going to be spent preparing the top three qbs that will/might need during the season.

how many situations have you seen where a player has gone from being a third string qb to being very successful in their first year as a start......especially playing against teams like mentor, iggy, and mckinley?

furthermore, the real proof is in the progression of his qbs. we have no clue how good or bad cw was when he started under stacy, so we have no clue as to how he compares now with how he performed at the beginning. for all we know, stacy could have turned him into a much better player than he was. that's the problem, though.....too much speculation.

[RRanger]

He wouldnt know talent if it hit him in the head:wall:

you would

[CATS44]

This is not speculation:

1) The off season workout program slipped. Stacy himself admitted it publicly.
2) Team discipline disintegrated. Anybody who watched the sidelines during games has seen that.
3) Sportsmanship flew out the window. Anybody who watched our kids after several of our losses saw it.
4) Anybody who saw the Mentor game saw the worst display of defensive football in the last SEVENTY SIX years of Tiger football.
5) We had two players, one of which is ranked as the second best player in Ohio for this year, the other is ranked as the second best at his position in the NATION for next year....but our staff couldnt figure out a way to have either of them play on both sides of the ball with any regularity. It is also not speculation to state that the coaches for Tommy Hannon, Chris Spielman, Steve Luke, Steve Studer...and literally hundreds of other Tigers...figured out how to play them both ways, esp when our backs were to the wall, as they were by our fourth game.

This IS speculation:

When all is said and done, 2007 may go down as the worst year in the history of Massillon Tiger football.

And that would mean major major changes.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=CATS44;88221]This is not speculation:

1) The off season workout program slipped. Stacy himself admitted it publicly.
2) Team discipline disintegrated. Anybody who watched the sidelines during games has seen that.
3) Sportsmanship flew out the window. Anybody who watched our kids after several of our losses saw it.
4) Anybody who saw the Mentor game saw the worst display of defensive football in the last SEVENTY SIX years of Tiger football.
5) We had two players, one of which is ranked as the second best player in Ohio for this year, the other is ranked as the second best at his position in the NATION for next year....but our staff couldnt figure out a way to have either of them play on both sides of the ball with any regularity. It is also not speculation to state that the coaches for Tommy Hannon, Chris Spielman, Steve Luke, Steve Studer...and literally hundreds of other Tigers...figured out how to play them both ways, esp when our backs were to the wall, as they were by our fourth game.

GREAT STUFF!!!!

[QUOTE]This IS speculation:

When all is said and done, 2007 may go down as the worst year in the history of Massillon Tiger football.[/QUOTE

Get ready for SuperBran and Shep's 4-6 seasons

[89tiger]

To sum up Tom Stacy:
#1. He is too conservative!
#2. He plays "not to lose" instead of "playing to win"!
#3. He doesnt put "ALL OF" the right players on the field!
Honestly, i like Stacy as a person; I like his character! But in my opinion, he's just too conservative. Coaching wise, i like a Tom Mck D. or a coach like Stubenville's got. A coach that's not afraid to take chances...A coach that "PLAYS TO WIN"! not "PLAY NOT TO LOSE"! as Stacy did! If Mck D had the talent we had this year, it would've been the Massillon Tigers 02' Season again! If Stubenville's coach had the team we had this year, WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS! POINT BLANK! Coach Stacy is a good man dont get me wrong; but he's just too CONSERVATIVE WITH HIS TALENT!

Thats My Story And I,m Sticking To It!!

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE]

GREAT STUFF!!!!

[QUOTE]

Get ready for SuperBran and Shep's 4-6 seasons



Or, you cant blame stacy for this train-wreck:wall:

[SuperBran]

This is not speculation:

1) The off season workout program slipped. Stacy himself admitted it publicly.
2) Team discipline disintegrated. Anybody who watched the sidelines during games has seen that.
3) Sportsmanship flew out the window. Anybody who watched our kids after several of our losses saw it.
4) Anybody who saw the Mentor game saw the worst display of defensive football in the last SEVENTY SIX years of Tiger football.
5) We had two players, one of which is ranked as the second best player in Ohio for this year, the other is ranked as the second best at his position in the NATION for next year....but our staff couldnt figure out a way to have either of them play on both sides of the ball with any regularity. It is also not speculation to state that the coaches for Tommy Hannon, Chris Spielman, Steve Luke, Steve Studer...and literally hundreds of other Tigers...figured out how to play them both ways, esp when our backs were to the wall, as they were by our fourth game.

well, those are nice points, but when have i argued counter to any of those points? i think you mistakenly think that i don't fault stacy for anything. that's simply not true.

when i mentioned speculation in my last post, it was in regard to our qb's development. how is your argument above germane?

This IS speculation:

When all is said and done, 2007 may go down as the worst year in the history of Massillon Tiger football.

And that would mean major major changes.

and you're certainly entitled to your opinions. i happen to disagree with you as i feel we've had much lower points (which i've agured ad nauseum). i'm not going to change your opinion and you're not going to change mine. we'll agree to disagree.

[SuperBran]

Get ready for SuperBran and Shep's 4-6 seasons

or i could be like you and simply ignore it when someone makes a point and you have no rebuttal.

hey, why don't you bring up the fact that shepas is a college football coach who's improved over the years. i miss your irrelevant banter.

i would bring up the losing seasons, but it doesn't bother the shepas supporters as they seem to find those years acceptable. now THAT'S truly sad.



Or, you cant blame stacy for this train-wreck


oh, i'll give blame when blame is due. again, i NEVER said that stacy didn't deserve any blame. i think it's completely asinine when the haters blame EVERYTHING on stacy. most of these people are the same people who blamed NOTHING on shepas.

[Obie Wan]

Will you guys shut the f*ck up?

[shooter]

I've been following Massillon for a couple of decades and here is my three-step, can't fail plan to return to football dominance:

1. Fire the steel mills back up.

2. With the increased employment, get the population up to about 80,000.

3. Hire either Paul Brown's great grandson, or Woody Hayes' grandson to be the head coach.

[SuperBran]

Will you guys shut the f*ck up?

nice response. i was under the impression that this is a forum for debate. if you don't like it, then simply don't read it.

regardless, i'm done with this thread. at this point i could honestly care who or who doesn't coach our team. unlike many, i've learned that life doesn't revolve around massillon football. if only my life was so simple. i've grown up and choose to live my own life (as opposed to living through teenagers).

[CATS44]

Low points are measured by more than the scoreboard, Super Bran.

Stay tuned.

[Obie Wan]

nice response. i was under the impression that this is a forum for debate. if you don't like it, then simply don't read it.
I'm not clairvoyant - I don't know that it's stupid or off-topic until after I read it. And make no mistake, it is both stupid AND off-topic.

Why not start a thread on Shepas vs. Stacy if this is such a fascinating subject? I promise you I will neither read nor comment.

FYI, here are a few pointers on "debate" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05EmK66Gsk).

[SuperBran]

I'm not clairvoyant - I don't know that it's stupid or off-topic until after I read it.

okay, then let me rephrase.....if you don't like it after you've read it, then don't read anything further.

And make no mistake, it is both stupid AND off-topic.

much like a post that simply reads "Will you guys shut the f*ck up?"??

this thread went off-topic very soon after it started.

Why not start a thread on Shepas vs. Stacy if this is such a fascinating subject? I promise you I will neither read nor comment.

i didn't turn this into a stacy vs. shepas debate.

[SuperBran]

Low points are measured by more than the scoreboard, Super Bran.

and i don't disagree. again, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

[man2man]

Once again, Coach Stacy is not and was not the problem this past season. If you don't believe some parents and players are savvy and self centered enough to put coaches in a "no win" situation, then you are naive.

[Mass6]

Once again, Coach Stacy is not and was not the problem this past season. If you don't believe some parents and players are savvy and self centered enough to put coaches in a "no win" situation, then you are naive.

Well those self centered and savvy players shouldn't have played AT ALL if they put the coaches in a "no win" situation. We had plenty of good players on that team that these players could have been excused. Where was the discipline?? Who runs the team??

[SternRulz]

... If you don't believe some parents and players are savvy and self centered enough to put coaches in a "no win" situation, then you are naive.

A coach shouldn't let that happen. Period.

[massillon catholic]

Who runs the team??


Good question!

[Striker300]

Truth is we have had 25 coaches throughout Massillon history. Divide 113 by 25 and our coaches have averaged 4.5 yrs. each! None have lasted 10 yrs., and only 2 were here 9yrs. If any school in the country proves that long-term head coaches are not the only way to be winners, it is Massillon. We have continued to be winners because of town dedication to our way of football. Coaches come and coaches go, but Massillon football lives on. If you live local, and have the free time, or will make the free time, and want to see Massillon football tradition continue on as in the past, then go out and volunteer to help, in any capacity that you might be able to. Whining, and blaming the coach all the time, is just an excuse. Massillon football has been good through good, bad, or mediocre coaches. Merry Christmas All!

Had to paste this from another thread because it addresses the same!

[massillon catholic]

Truth is we have had 25 coaches throughout Massillon history. Divide 113 by 25 and our coaches have averaged 4.5 yrs. each! None have lasted 10 yrs., and only 2 were here 9yrs. If any school in the country proves that long-term head coaches are not the only way to be winners, it is Massillon. We have continued to be winners because of town dedication to our way of football. Coaches come and coaches go, but Massillon football lives on. If you live local, and have the free time, or will make the free time, and want to see Massillon football tradition continue on as in the past, then go out and volunteer to help, in any capacity that you might be able to. Whining, and blaming the coach all the time, is just an excuse. Massillon football has been good through good, bad, or mediocre coaches. Merry Christmas All!

Had to paste this from another thread because it addresses the same!

The problem is, that other schools have caught up to Massillon. We just can't re-load every couple of years and have the players learn new systems. We need to be more stable, running the same offense and defense all the way down to pee-wee. This will allow us to catch back up.

[Striker300]

As i said, coaching has not been the difference. Massillon set a standard for years and this was acheived by our community passing down the way we play to our young. PPl used to have pick-up games all over town. Older kids teaching younger kids, young adults teaching older kids, older adults teaching younger adults. With that kind of teaching going on a coach could practically walk in and let the team run itself, coaches used to think it was a pleasure to coach in Massillon, not a headache. Again the blame can only go to those that are letting this happen and not standing up and doing something about it. This is the reason other programs have caught up, the tradition has gotten lax.

[man2man]

Changing coaches and systems again will only put us further behind the elite prorams in the state.

[massillon catholic]

Changing coaches and systems again will only put us further behind the elite prorams in the state.


We will only be changing coaches. Three offensive plays doesnt equate to a "system".

[TigerSupport]

The problem is, that other schools have caught up to Massillon. We just can't re-load every couple of years and have the players learn new systems. We need to be more stable, running the same offense and defense all the way down to pee-wee. This will allow us to catch back up.

You can't expect to play Mentor, Iggy, Moeller, etc. year in and year out when you're the smallest DI school in Stark Co. and one of the smallest DI schools in the state - it's not fair to the players or coaches.

[TigerSupport]

We will only be changing coaches. Three offensive plays doesnt equate to a "system".

That's funny - I again, ask you...are you even at the games? (for one reason or another I don't want to get points warned on me)

[massillon catholic]

That's funny - I again, ask you...are you even at the games? (for one reason or another I don't want to get points warned on me)


Unfortunately, I watched the games and yes I am allowed in the stadium. Probably was the only person who wasn't allowed in the stadium for three years but still bought six season tickets and have had them since 1984.

[johnb]

I was a senior at WHS when John Maronto was hired. Most would probably agree that John Maronto was not one of Massillon's better coaches. I thought he was a jerk. But he is now a great coach. One of the best coaches in Florida. Imagine if he had stayed. Couldn't put up with the crap--fans like all of you and school board members without backbones. Stacy probably wants to leave. Maronto did. You can go on and say "if he doesn't want Massillon, we don't want him." But that doesn't change the fact that Stacy's current frame of mind is a function of the idiocy of fans who won't let him do his job without inane, constant, and, in most cases, unjustified criticism. He will probably be a better coach somewhere else. Massillon needs to find a way to make coaches better while they are in Massillon. Things are not working and you guys don't make it any better.

[CarlE]

Changing coaches and systems again will only put us further behind the elite prorams in the state.

Us????? US??? You are NOT us.

[LLRose]

I was a senior at WHS when John Maronto was hired. Most would probably agree that John Maronto was not one of Massillon's better coaches. I thought he was a jerk. But he is now a great coach. One of the best coaches in Florida. Imagine if he had stayed. Couldn't put up with the crap--fans like all of you and school board members without backbones. Stacy probably wants to leave. Maronto did. You can go on and say "if he doesn't want Massillon, we don't want him." But that doesn't change the fact that Stacy's current frame of mind is a function of the idiocy of fans who won't let him do his job without inane, constant, and, in most cases, unjustified criticism. He will probably be a better coach somewhere else. Massillon needs to find a way to make coaches better while they are in Massillon. Things are not working and you guys don't make it any better.

Welcome

Warning, Warning, Danger Will Robinson!

Any positive comments regarding your old HS coach on this site will bring a spiteful wrath of e-mail feedback you may not be prepared for. I give you a lot of credit, I didn't even have the guts to put "great coach" and John Moronto is the same post when I made the same comments 4 months ago.

[obie7661]

Us????? US??? You are NOT us.

Thank God.

[TigerSupport]

This goes to show that you have no knowledge of the history of Massillon Tiger Football. Do some research before opening your trap.

So those coaches were undefeated their whole career? LOL way to read, buddy. I'm pretty sure both lost some games at one time in their life....

[TigerSupport]

This IS speculation:

When all is said and done, 2007 may go down as the worst year in the history of Massillon Tiger football.

And that would mean major major changes.


Wow you're so full of crap it's coming out of your ears!

I'd rather be 6-4 and lose to four great playoff teams then go 4-6 and lose to the likes of Marion freaking Harding. YIKES!

[man2man]

Unfortunately, I watched the games and yes I am allowed in the stadium. Probably was the only person who wasn't allowed in the stadium for three years

Why weren't you allowed in the stadium?

[CarlE]

Why weren't you allowed in the stadium?

Enough. He's not going to answer anyway. He's on his way to freaking Florida for some R&R and a golf meeting with me.

[OTC TIGER]

I'd rather be 6-4 and lose to four great playoff teams then go 4-6 and lose to the likes of Marion freaking Harding. YIKES!

or Toledo freaking Whitmer

[tbone]

Unfortunately, I watched the games and yes I am allowed in the stadium. Probably was the only person who wasn't allowed in the stadium for three years but still bought six season tickets and have had them since 1984.

jeez man, a three year ban from a high school football stadium...how the heck did you get slapped with that?

were you the guy who assaulted an official after the mckinley game that one year or something?

[Tiger54]

Man, this is a funny thread. Almost 90% of this thread is absolute nonsense.

I'm curious - does anyone have a link to any reputable source that says that residency was in fact a requirement for the coaching job? I would be interested in seeing it. I think that might be illegal in Ohio so I doubt that it was a requirement but I don't know so I'd like to see for myself.

Stacy was never required to move to Massillon, nor should he be. It's childish and lame to bring it up.Funny no one cared in '05. Farrah seems to coach OK in Louisville while residing in NC.

As long as Blosser is there, it's all still in Stacy's hands. If he gets a better offer for his family and himself, he should take it. He's sorting through his offers now and will decide after the holidays.

What would be most interesting is if some of the know-nothings actually knew whicj bowl game he will be attending :biggrin:
You JUST DON'T GET IT, DO YOU? He is at the end of a three-year contract. That means that it is NOT in his hands. Do you know what the word "end" means? In order for him to continue his employment in Massillon, he needs to receive a new contract. That's the point---do you really understand that?

[TigerSupport]

jeez man, a three year ban from a high school football stadium...how the heck did you get slapped with that?

were you the guy who assaulted an official after the mckinley game that one year or something?

LOL getting pretty warm!:obiefanfire:

[TigerSupport]

You JUST DON'T GET IT, DO YOU? He is at the end of a three-year contract. That means that it is NOT in his hands. Do you know what the word "end" means? In order for him to continue his employment in Massillon, he needs to receive a new contract. That's the point---do you really understand that?

It IS in his hands - you aren't looking at the big picture. The BOE is all worried about how "Massillon is going to look" at this point. If THEY are the ones who have to report that THEY did not renew Stacy's contract, it will make Massillon look horrible, ESPECIALLY if no college jobs show up for Stacy and he goes to another local high school. On the other hand, if Stacy resigns, then it makes Massillon look a little better off - it will still look fishy, but not AS fishy. Stacy can wait all he wants before he makes his decision, because the BOE won't do it. They shouldn't do it, either. I will stick my head in the sand and leave it there for a week just so I don't have to read the press the next morning. "Massillon declines Stacy a renewal"....superintendent gone after 1 1/2 years and football coach gone after winning 3 straight vs. McKinley and 26 wins. OUCH!

THAT is why Stacy has the ball in his court.

[Obie Wan]

It IS in his hands - you aren't looking at the big picture. The BOE is all worried about how "Massillon is going to look" at this point.
If the BOE members are more worried about the opinions of those whose opinions don't matter than results and benefit to Massillon schools, then they should resign immediately.

If THEY are the ones who have to report that THEY did not renew Stacy's contract, it will make Massillon look horrible, ESPECIALLY if no college jobs show up for Stacy and he goes to another local high school.
Wrong. If they don't renew Stacy and he doesn't land a college job, it shows that Stacy didn't do what he set out to do - which was get a college job. Which would mean that college programs are unimpressed by his tenure here.

And if he lands another high school job, so what? It won't be as prestigious as the Massillon job. Ergo, a demotion. Which means that the market at large would have made the same decision as the BOE.

Stacy can wait all he wants before he makes his decision, because the BOE won't do it. They shouldn't do it, either.
Yes, they should -- and they should do it at the next board meeting. The BOE's prime responsibility is to MCSD. They have no responsibility to Tom Stacy, per se. It would be an absolute dereliction for the board to jeopardize our future while Tom Stacy sends out resumes.

If the Board does not settle this issue (one way or another) at the next meeting, it would be a gross abdication of their duties.

[CATS44]

TigerSupport:

There is a lot more to a season than the record....and there may be a lot more left to be weighed in the balance for 2007.

We shall see who knows of what he types and who has the stuff coming out of his ears.

[TigerSupport]

If the BOE members are more worried about the opinions of those whose opinions don't matter than results and benefit to Massillon schools, then they should resign immediately.


Wrong. If they don't renew Stacy and he doesn't land a college job, it shows that Stacy didn't do what he set out to do - which was get a college job. Which would mean that college programs are unimpressed by his tenure here.

And if he lands another high school job, so what? It won't be as prestigious as the Massillon job. Ergo, a demotion. Which means that the market at large would have made the same decision as the BOE.


Yes, they should -- and they should do it at the next board meeting. The BOE's prime responsibility is to MCSD. They have no responsibility to Tom Stacy, per se. It would be an absolute dereliction for the board to jeopardize our future while Tom Stacy sends out resumes.

If the Board does not settle this issue (one way or another) at the next meeting, it would be a gross abdication of their duties.


If Coach Stacy doesn't get a college job, that just means that nothing is available - he has plenty of connections to go to the next level - it's not like the only reason why nobody would hire him is because they are unimpressed. And his tenure at Massillon is pretty successful so I don't see where your point is.

Sorry, I guess I'm just different in the fact that I would think it embarrassing for coach to go to some other local high school and be extremely successful. He will be, too, if he goes elsewhere. He's been successful here against a brutal schedule and countless headaches - imagine coach in a better school system (it's a fact, there are better around) with realistic expectations and a schedule that is fair to the kids.

[TigerSupport]

TigerSupport:

There is a lot more to a season than the record....and there may be a lot more left to be weighed in the balance for 2007.

We shall see who knows of what he types and who has the stuff coming out of his ears.

Why? I haven't made one single prediction about what Stacy will do or what the board will do. So in that regard I'm safe. So if Stacy wins next year, and there are no problem children, and little distractions, and goes 5-5 (for the sake of this example)...then I can post to all of you as you beg for his firing - "There is more to a season than the record?" Just wanted to make sure!

[CarlE]

And his tenure at Massillon is pretty successful so I don't see where your point is.




REALLY? By who's standards? Certainly not mine.

[TigerSupport]

Um, pretty much by the standards of everyone outside of Massillon. Odd, huh?

[CarlE]

Um, pretty much by the standards of everyone outside of Massillon. Odd, huh?

Not so odd to those of us IN the Massillon mentality genius. We KNOW we set our standards quite a bit higher. It would be great if you outsiders somehow understood that. But that would be asking quite a lot, wouldn't it genius?

[man2man]

Enough. He's not going to answer anyway. He's on his way to freaking Florida for some R&R and a golf meeting with me.

Birds of a feather.

[CarlE]

Birds of a feather.

Oh, you got torched at The Lair so you're back here trying to rile me. No good, man2boy. You just don't have it. Are you going to be made to look stupid here, also?

[chap]

CarlE, Massillon Catholic, and Cats44 are EEEons ahead of many people when it comes to knowledge of Tiger Football. I witnessed how things were on the sidelines during different games this year. It was pretty ugly! A lot of these posts are like going to the Comedy Barn in Pigeon Forge! Just a barrel of laughs!

[CATS44]

Perhaps coach Stacy will land another HS job and be as ultra successful as he was at Shelby.

As for there possibly being no jobs available at the college level, give me a break. Just take a quick look around college football and notice all the head coaching jobs open or recently filled. All of them will have openings for top grade assistants. IIRC the last coach we had had no problem landing a head coaching position in college.

[Benchboss1]

If Coach Stacy doesn't get a college job, that just means that nothing is available


So you want us to believe that in the entire landscape of college football, there are no coaching jobs available? That is even to nieve for you to post........................................almost !

[Benchboss1]

He's been successful here against a brutal schedule and countless headaches



I am getting VERY tired of hearing about how brutal our schedules have been with Stacy here. Could you please list a couple of reasons/examples of how our schedule was so brutal the past two years?

The headaches were well known to him before he "ahem" applied for the job since he was previously employed here.

[Benchboss1]

it's not like the only reason why nobody would hire him is because they are unimpressed. And his tenure at Massillon is pretty successful


If you call posting worse records EVER SEASON since he has been here pretty successful, then you would be correct.

[tigerbill]

I agree, Cats44, Coach Stacy was 24-16 at Shelby. With an enviable record like that, I would guess he could coach at just about any high school he chose.

Tigerbill

[CATS44]

Coach Stacy is 36-24 (60%) not including 2005, when he inherited a superb group of players...and did a good job with them.

[tigerbill]

Gee, Cats44, for people like me and man2man who aren't very swift, what does that average out a season for those 6 years?

[CATS44]

If you throw in the two playoff games, it is 37-25. (.597)

Overall, the record is 49-27. (.645)

[TigerSupport]

Perhaps coach Stacy will land another HS job and be as ultra successful as he was at Shelby.

As for there possibly being no jobs available at the college level, give me a break. Just take a quick look around college football and notice all the head coaching jobs open or recently filled. All of them will have openings for top grade assistants. IIRC the last coach we had had no problem landing a head coaching position in college.

Please name them if there are so many? What? Michigan, Arkansas? Which ones does coach realistically have a shot at?

[Obie Wan]

Which ones does coach realistically have a shot at?
I think that's the point some folks have been trying to make.

[TigerSupport]

So you want us to believe that in the entire landscape of college football, there are no coaching jobs available? That is even to nieve for you to post........................................almost !

Uhh, yeah. Coach would not leave unless it was a top-tier coaching position (DI) and he may have already turned down a number of offers (didn't your sources tell you that?). There are only so many DI jobs open, so I don't see how it's a stretch for me to say that.

[TigerSupport]

I am getting VERY tired of hearing about how brutal our schedules have been with Stacy here. Could you please list a couple of reasons/examples of how our schedule was so brutal the past two years?

The headaches were well known to him before he "ahem" applied for the job since he was previously employed here.

Sure, genius - look at the teams we've played. You're not serious, are you? I wouldn't want to insult your intelligence by naming every single team, but then again.....

We've been over this a million times - go back and read for yourself. SuperBran has covered this topic thoroughly and nobody has ever rebuttled, because nobody can.

We're the smallest DI team in Stark county and one of the smallest in the state, and you expect us to play with Moeller, Iggy, Warren, Mentor, etc. year in and out? Our schedule has been tough the past two years and if you say otherwise you're kidding yourself.

[TigerSupport]

I agree, Cats44, Coach Stacy was 24-16 at Shelby. With an enviable record like that, I would guess he could coach at just about any high school he chose.

Tigerbill


Hey TigerBill - did you look at Shelby's records previous to when Stacy was there? Yeeeeah...I didn't think so. They were the laughing stock of the N.O.L. and he turned them into league runner-ups in back to back years before he left (if you know HS football Bellevue was the 1st place team, a power year in and out). Although, they gave him more than 3 years and didn't try to run him out of town. But you have all the answers, since you looked up his overall record and made an assumption.

[CATS44]

Glad that I could be so entertaining.

Of course, its not that hard when one good year in seven entertains somebody.

[CATS44]

Turning down D1 jobs?

:lol:

[man2man]

Oh, you got torched at The Lair so you're back here trying to rile me. No good, man2boy. You just don't have it. Are you going to be made to look stupid here, also?

"Torched"? OMG. What are you 10 years old.

You say whatever you want. If I respond I'll get banned. In a fair fight (verbal or otherwise) I like my chances.

The fact that you think you've made a fool out of anyone but yourself by your comments would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

[Benchboss1]

Sure, genius - look at the teams we've played. You're not serious, are you? I wouldn't want to insult your intelligence by naming every single team, but then again.....



By all means, insult my intelligence and list the BRUTAL teams that we have played. While you are doing that though, just don't confuse quality teams with BRUTAL teams. I will anxiously await your list.

[Benchboss1]

Uhh, yeah. Coach would not leave unless it was a top-tier coaching position (DI) and he may have already turned down a number of offers (didn't your sources tell you that?). There are only so many DI jobs open, so I don't see how it's a stretch for me to say that.

Isn't your post a little on the contradictive side? If he would leave for a top tier division 1 job and may have had some offfers, why in the world would he turn them down?:poke:

[Benchboss1]

Turning down D1 jobs?

:lol:


Of course CATS44, don't you know with his stellar career high school record, he is able to pick and choose his top tier division 1 collegiate jobs?

[CATS44]

Seriously, in re collegiate coaching positions....

The national coaches convention is in January. That is usually the time that coaching staffs are put together for the next season.

Since most top tier programs are now involved with Bowl preparation, it is unlikely that much addition and subtraction will be going on until after the Bowls.

[SuperBran]

If you call posting worse records EVER SEASON since he has been here pretty successful, then you would be correct.

so how would you have thought of him if he posted a losing season and no playoff wins in his first three seasons....with an easier schedule as well? would you consider that a successful first three years, objectively? would you try to offer him an extension and try to keep him here? just curious.

[CarlE]

"Torched"? OMG. What are you 10 years old.

You say whatever you want. If I respond I'll get banned. In a fair fight (verbal or otherwise) I like my chances.

The fact that you think you've made a fool out of anyone but yourself by your comments would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

You want a fair fight? My cell phone number has just been PM'd to you. Now let's have the fight.

[tigerbill]

Hey TS, Just wondered if the Shelby players were throwing their helmets around and fighting among themselves in his final years.

To you, that is a great record, apparently. We've been 6-4 regular season 2 years in a row. If Coach Cross hadn't decided to get cutsie and pass, it might have been a 5-5 given our "brutal" schedule.

Come on, 75 yards against a down Iggy team. What an offensive genius. Even Mck had more yards than we did.

I know you outsiders don't give a crap about our traditions but MOST of us on here bleed Orange and Black.

Please tell us that you'll take man2man with you when "Tom" leaves.

[CarlE]

Hey TS, Just wondered if the Shelby players were throwing their helmets around and fighting among themselves in his final years.

To you, that is a great record, apparently. We've been 6-4 regular season 2 years in a row. If Coach Cross hadn't decided to get cutsie and pass, it might have been a 5-5 given our "brutal" schedule.

Come on, 75 yards against a down Iggy team. What an offensive genius. Even Mck had more yards than we did.

I know you outsiders don't give a crap about our traditions but MOST of us on here bleed Orange and Black.

Please tell us that you'll take man2man with you when "Tom" leaves.

GREAT post, TigerBill. By the way, I think TigerSupport and man2moron are the same person.

[Benchboss1]

GREAT post, TigerBill. By the way, I think TigerSupport and man2moron are the same person.

Good post CarlE. I sure hope that there aren't two people THAT nieve in this world!

[TigerSupport]

Turning down D1 jobs?

:lol:

Uhh...as far as turning them down? Yes. It's happened already. Guess like I have the laugh on this post - I'm glad you think it's funny, though!

[TigerSupport]

Isn't your post a little on the contradictive side? If he would leave for a top tier division 1 job and may have had some offfers, why in the world would he turn them down?:poke:

No. A DI team in the MAC or non-bcs school isn't a "Top Tier" job that coach is looking for.

[TigerSupport]

Of course CATS44, don't you know with his stellar career high school record, he is able to pick and choose his top tier division 1 collegiate jobs?

Yeah! Especially after Cats makes his point by dis-including any of his wins! :ohno:

[TigerSupport]

Hey TS, Just wondered if the Shelby players were throwing their helmets around and fighting among themselves in his final years.

To you, that is a great record, apparently. We've been 6-4 regular season 2 years in a row. If Coach Cross hadn't decided to get cutsie and pass, it might have been a 5-5 given our "brutal" schedule.

Come on, 75 yards against a down Iggy team. What an offensive genius. Even Mck had more yards than we did.

I know you outsiders don't give a crap about our traditions but MOST of us on here bleed Orange and Black.

Please tell us that you'll take man2man with you when "Tom" leaves.


No that didn't happen because the school system is better, the family lives are better, etc. therefore the situation is better for success. That's not intended to be a knock on Massillon, that's just an objective view of the kids in Massillon. If some of the posters on here were coaching, they wouldn't have a team left because they would have all been kicked off.

[TigerSupport]

Good post CarlE. I sure hope that there aren't two people THAT nieve in this world!

Yeah, well at least I can spell naive. You haven't spelled it correctly yet in more than one post.:laughing: