The Browns just got screwed

[Tiger2001]

If anyone saw that last play you know what im talking about.

[MTigers006]

Can anyone say Pass Interference?
Refs prob couldn't see that IF they had glasses. Morons.

Kellen was clearly pushed out before the pass even got to him.

[Go Hooter Go]

I don't care what anyone says, HE WAS IN!

Amen! The Browns got screwed out of another WIN!

[obie0130]

the browns screwed themselves today. should not have been in this situation in the first place. too many stupid mistakes. they better clean it up for the last 4 games. there is still a huge opportunity to make this a great season.

[Tigerfan1979]

Can anyone say Pass Interference?
Refs prob couldn't see that IF they had glasses. Morons.

Kellen was clearly pushed out before the pass even got to him.WHAT?I am as a big time Browns fan as anybody.There was NO pass interference.I don't know what you were looking at.As far as the refs being morons,have you ever refereed before?If not I suggest that you take the OHSAA football class and try it out.If you can do a better job give it a try,if not,STOP WHINING!::notlistening:

[MTigers006]

Game is over so it doesn't matter anyways. Next Week..............

[austinsm11]

I think the Browns helped the Cards more than the refs. Too many turnovers.

[shortbev]

just like any other team...you cannot continually wait until the last seconds of the game to win it...you need to play more than the last 2 minutes of the game...you need to play from the moment of the first kickoff to the last whistle...

or

every time, it will come back to bite you in the butt...

that is what is happening with the browns...they are leaving things until the last moments of too many games...this one included...

if they had done the job the way they should, that last play would not matter...

[SuperBran]

the browns screwed themselves today. should not have been in this situation in the first place. too many stupid mistakes. they better clean it up for the last 4 games. there is still a huge opportunity to make this a great season.

exactly!! ints, fumbles, flags....the browns were shotting themselves in the foot.

[crackerman]

funny how no one mentions the td the browns were given by the refs when Braylon caught the ball at the 30, and was downed by the defender but then got up and ran it in and they gave him the td.

[SternRulz]

If anyone saw that last play you know what im talking about.

I agree. Winslow definately would've come down in bounds.

[SternRulz]

funny how no one mentions the td the browns were given by the refs when Braylon caught the ball at the 30, and was downed by the defender but then got up and ran it in and they gave him the td.

The only time the guy touched him was when BE was back on his feet. It was clearly a TD.

[CarlE]

What a bunch of whiney-asses.

[TigerCoach]

funny how no one mentions the td the browns were given by the refs when Braylon caught the ball at the 30, and was downed by the defender but then got up and ran it in and they gave him the td.

I agree, crackerman, he was down by contact when he caught that ball. Plus, when the Browns Defense gives up so many easy yards rushing like they did, they don't deserve to win. I hope they address the run defense like they did the offensive line last year. Then, they will be a force.

[SternRulz]

What a bunch of whiney-asses.

What...we're not allowed to comment on the game? Some people actually make a living out of it, ya know.

[SternRulz]

I agree, crackerman, he was down by contact when he caught that ball. Plus, when the Browns Defense gives up so many easy yards rushing like they did, they don't deserve to win. I hope they address the run defense like they did the offensive line last year. Then, they will be a force.

The player has to be touched when he's on the ground. He was not.

[hartville tiger]

Don't blame the refs because the browns 3 turnovers lead directly to 21 points for the cardinals.

[gotigers1]

I didn't see the last play of the game since I got ticked off and turn the game off. If it wouldn't have been for the turnovers, the Browns would have won that game anyways.

[TigerCoach]

The player has to be touched when he's on the ground. He was not.


Not true. A player who is in the air and knocked to the ground is down by contact.

[crackerman]

thank you TC, I didnt want to have to explain it to him. Learn the rulebook Sterz before commenting next time.

[SternRulz]

thank you TC, I didnt want to have to explain it to him. Learn the rulebook Sterz before commenting next time.

Then can you please explain the ruling on the field even after extensive review? Didn't seem to be much of a controversy.

:scratchchin:

[crackerman]

they stated that it wasnt conclusive to tell if he touched him or not. You were probably the same guy screaming for the instant replay to rule that he was pushed out...which is a determination that can only be made by on-field refs.

[SternRulz]

they stated that it wasnt conclusive to tell if he touched him or not. You were probably the same guy screaming for the instant replay to rule that he was pushed out...which is a determination that can only be made by on-field refs.

Thanks. I knew I was right.

[crackerman]

No, You stated he had to be touched on the ground...which is incorrect.

[CarlE]

What...we're not allowed to comment on the game? Some people actually make a living out of it, ya know.

Comment, yes. Whine like a bunch of freaking baby Indian fans? Um, no.

[CarlE]

No, You stated he had to be touched on the ground...which is incorrect.

Don't try to argue with HER, not him. She wouldn't admit she was freaking wrong if you told her grass was green and she disagreed. Typical broad.

By the way, SternRulz, you ARE making yourself look freaking stupid. Not only are you wrong on your analogy, but you're arguing with the two best football minds on this damn web-site. But thanks for playing.

[SternRulz]

Don't try to argue with HER, not him. She wouldn't admit she was freaking wrong if you told her grass was green and she disagreed. Typical broad.

By the way, SternRulz, you ARE making yourself look freaking stupid. Not only are you wrong on your analogy, but you're arguing with the two best football minds on this damn web-site. But thanks for playing.

But..but..but...I was misinterpreted!! Right CarlE?? Talk about not admitting when you're wrong.

:laugh:

Unlike some on here, I can admit when I was wrong. My wording was poor and after reading TCs post, I realized that.

In this case, where it was being disputed whether or not he was touched, he was not touched, which is why he was able to get back up and run.

Good for you CarlE? You love me, don't you?

[Tiger2001]

First off saying that the last play didnt matter because of the mistakes earlier in the game is just stupid. Why do they play 60 minutes? Those last 6 seconds dont count all of a sudden?! To say they dont "deserve" to win because of turnovers is crap, they DESERVE to win because it WAS a touchdown.

Also, dont tell me the Edwards TD was a gimme. It was reviewed and upheld.

You wanna know why the review on the last play took so freaking long? Because the ref was probobly saying "hey thats a touchdown, he was pushed" and the people in the booth were saying "We can see that too, but its a judgement call. That ref on the sideline screwed up but because of the rules we cant do anything about it".

I was at the bottle game against the Jags. Its a good thing this wasnt a home game. :furious: And a good thing I wasnt there.

If I was phil savage I would contact the leauge about this stupid rule. Either make it reviewable or get rid of it!





[end of rant]

Go Browns!!!

[CarlE]

Also, dont tell me the Edwards TD was a gimme. It was reviewed and upheld.



I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. One was reviewed and upheld and since it went your way it's OK. The other was reviewed and upheld but went against Winslow the thug. That one was a bad call. Sorry, I'm lost but today that's not so unusual!! LOL.

[Tiger2001]

I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. One was reviewed and upheld and since it went your way it's OK. The other was reviewed and upheld but went against Winslow the thug. That one was a bad call. Sorry, I'm lost but today that's not so unusual!! LOL.

I knew someone was going to try this.

Winslows CATCH was reviewed. NOT the PUSH. Which I clearly stated. Read a little closer next time.

[Tiger2001]

Winslow the thug.

Watch this interview if you would like.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/video?id=3102495


Then take a look at the verticle leap, and the push.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071203/capt.40c01861c22a4dd8bad1e2cbad791d46.brown_cardin als_football_pnp114.jpg

[crackerman]

Back to the Braylon touchdown, if we want to get real technical about it, he was touched int he calf, it was obvious that he hit his calf. They blew that call as well.

[CarlE]

Back to the Braylon touchdown, if we want to get real technical about it, he was touched int he calf, it was obvious that he hit his calf. They blew that call as well.

Thank you, cracker. Case closed, whiners go home.

Uh, yeah about the video. Nice tatoos. Oh, and 8 minutes of sucking up doesn't make up for 6 years of idiocy. So, now he's a mature thug.

[Tiger2001]

Thank you, cracker. Case closed, whiners go home.

Uh, yeah about the video. Nice tatoos. Oh, and 8 minutes of sucking up doesn't make up for 6 years of idiocy. So, now he's a mature thug.

I have more than a few tattoos. Am I a thug?

My friend died in a motercycle accident. Is he also an idiot?

I didnt see anyone sucking up. I DID see a very YOUNG(he's younger than I am!) maturing football player.

You are acting like a one sided old geezer who just loves to insult people.

[Tiger2001]

Back to the Braylon touchdown, if we want to get real technical about it, he was touched int he calf, it was obvious that he hit his calf. They blew that call as well.

The point im trying to make is that the push should be a reviewable action.

This thread isnt even about Edwards.

[dataintsmiff]

First off saying that the last play didnt matter because of the mistakes earlier in the game is just stupid. Why do they play 60 minutes? Those last 6 seconds dont count all of a sudden?! To say they dont "deserve" to win because of turnovers is crap, they DESERVE to win because it WAS a touchdown.

Also, dont tell me the Edwards TD was a gimme. It was reviewed and upheld.

You wanna know why the review on the last play took so freaking long? Because the ref was probobly saying "hey thats a touchdown, he was pushed" and the people in the booth were saying "We can see that too, but its a judgement call. That ref on the sideline screwed up but because of the rules we cant do anything about it".

I was at the bottle game against the Jags. Its a good thing this wasnt a home game. :furious: And a good thing I wasnt there.

If I was phil savage I would contact the leauge about this stupid rule. Either make it reviewable or get rid of it!





[end of rant]

Go Browns!!!


Waaaaaaaah.....cry some more....they lost the game and that's it, get over it, whether or not you agree with the call on the field or not its still a big fat (L)!!!!:wow:

[dataintsmiff]

Back to the Braylon touchdown, if we want to get real technical about it, he was touched int he calf, it was obvious that he hit his calf. They blew that call as well.

I agree.....like CarlE said....whiners go home!

[CarlE]

I have more than a few tattoos. Am I a thug?



Probably. LOL.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

dataimtsmiff,

You have a point where with "whiners go home." I see two teams from the AFC North going home, one about to win the division, and one still alive in the wild card (Cleveland).

How about Baltimore showing frustration and losing their heart late when New England scored to take the lead and eventually win 24-20. The way Baltimore players behaved after the game in their penalty filled loss (Derrick Mason throwing his helmet in the locker room, Bart Scott throwing referee Bill McKinley's flag and threatening to beat him up for being flagged, and five other players cursing the coaches after the game)......that's what I'd expect out of them. And what's up with Samari Rolle saying on ESPN he was going to sue McKinley for telling him "just play boy"?

Yes...that's Baltimore for you. No class and brittle like glass. And their fans are worse.

I never saw Cleveland players misbehave like that this year. They need to put Arizona behind them. If they do that, they will be fine.

[dataintsmiff]

dataimtsmiff,

You have a point where with "whiners go home." I see two teams from the AFC North going home, one about to win the division, and one still alive in the wild card (Cleveland).

How about Baltimore showing frustration and losing their heart late when New England scored to take the lead and eventually win 24-20. The way Baltimore players behaved after the game in their penalty filled loss (Derrick Mason throwing his helmet in the locker room, Bart Scott throwing referee Bill McKinley's flag and threatening to beat him up for being flagged, and five other players cursing the coaches after the game)......that's what I'd expect out of them. And what's up with Samari Rolle saying on ESPN he was going to sue McKinley for telling him "just play boy"?

Yes...that's Baltimore for you. No class and brittle like glass. And their fans are worse.

I never saw Cleveland players misbehave like that this year. They need to put Arizona behind them. If they do that, they will be fine.

Agreed.....I hope they win out so that the Steelers can beat 'em three times in one season....that would be great, oh wait, didn't we do that the last time they made the playoffs? GO STEELERS!!!!!!!! And oh by the way, the ex-Browns, errr, I mean, the Ravens, need to stop whining and just play football...If your dumb coach wouldn't have called a time out, you would've won the game, kick his A** instead of worrying about a referee.....

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

dataintsmiff,

People talk about how Baltimore players have class and their fans are a classy bunch. I know how Baltimore fans really are and I know how they all are really like. I've seen them long enough to know.

When Baltimore gets a big lead, their fans can be some donkeys. Talking about a visiting fan's parents, trashing their team, or what not. Their players become unglued when things are against them along with their fans!

I hear you! GO STEELERS!!!!!! (the Browns should beat the Jets).

[CarlE]

dataintsmiff,

People talk about how Baltimore players have class and their fans are a classy bunch. I know how Baltimore fans really are and I know how they all are really like. I've seen them long enough to know.

When Baltimore gets a big lead, their fans can be some donkeys. Talking about a visiting fan's parents, trashing their team, or what not. Their players become unglued when things are against them along with their fans!

I hear you! GO STEELERS!!!!!! (the Browns should beat the Jets).

Well, Pittsburg's fans are just ASSES. Well, except you, Keno. LOL

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

Good one! But Steelers fans are some of the classiest fans you will ever be around. You never hear of any of them resorting to the tactics that Baltimore fans are known for.

Anyway, did you hear about a fight between fans at M&T Bank Stadium? Get back to me when you get this......