Massillon Schools superintendent to resign

[gotigers1]

Breaking news form the Inde
http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=22346&r=0&Category=1

[Kamd50]

This is very disappointing news. I thought that Mr. Blosser was on the right track. Maybe someone on the inside, or the BOE could shed some light on this for the rest of us.

[massillon catholic]

I sure hope AH doesnt fill in

[massillon catholic]

I'll take Chris Smith

[monte81]

I hope we start getting the big picture and hire a real Massillon guy! it is a great super down in the Lexington schools who would be great for the job. He is a Massillon guy, loves Massillon, and hires Massillon people to work for him.

Shut---he hired a young, energetic foootball coach(Payne) and has young motivated teachers in the system to deal with todays youth! Smrt guy with a Massillon background!

[massillon catholic]

I hope we start getting the big picture and hire a real Massillon guy! it is a great super down in the Lexington schools who would be great for the job. He is a Massillon guy, loves Massillon, and hires Massillon people to work for him.

Shut---he hired a young, energetic foootball coach(Payne) and has young motivated teachers in the system to deal with todays youth! Smrt guy with a Massillon background!

This would be the logical thing to do.

[DAWGH8R]

I would ask for some of the 3 year contract money back.. How do you walk away in the middle of the second year ??

If we ousted him, we'd have to pay the balance of the contract.

There has to be someone in the woodpile. This whole story smells badly.

Sounds like he was "real dedicated" to the kids.

I too, would like to see Chris Smith take the helm.

[OTC TIGER]

I'll take Chris Smith

I'll take the trash out..:smartass:

[Obie Wan]

In every change lies opportunity. Rather than worry about why Blosser is leaving, it would be more productive to concentrate on selecting his replacement. Blosser was never anything more than a short-term fix, anyway. Perhaps we can leverage this into a long-term solution who will make make meaningful systemic changes to the entire school system for the betterment of all.

[monte81]

In every change lies opportunity. Rather than worry about why Blosser is leaving, it would be more productive to concentrate on selecting his replacement. Blosser was never anything more than a short-term fix, anyway. Perhaps we can leverage this into a long-term solution who will make make meaningful systemic changes to the entire school system for the betterment of all.


I agree 100% Long term Supers, Head Coaches, teachers, and others are needed for our community and kids!
Why doesn't anyone in charge see the same thing? That is the problem!!

[Red50Go]

This would be the logical thing to do.

Sure we could do all that, but we also like to "hook people up" in their last year so they can retire w/ inflated benefits, or guys already retired so they can double dip. Hmmm, tough call.

[SternRulz]

I agree 100% Long term Supers, Head Coaches, teachers, and others are needed for our community and kids!
Why doesn't anyone in charge see the same thing? That is the problem!!

I don't think anyone should be locked into a 10 yr contract. What if the job they do is not satifactory? Then we're either stuck with them or buying them out. Contract extensions/renewals are fine with me.

The ideal situation would be to find someone willing to stay for an extended period, then continue to renew their contract if all goes well. Many coaches see this position as a stepping stone, and I don't really blame them. The trick is not to hire the short timers, but a good/great long-timer.

[CarlE]

I don't think anyone should be locked into a 10 yr contract. What if the job they do is not satifactory? Then we're either stuck with them or buying them out. Contract extensions/renewals are fine with me.

The ideal situation would be to find someone willing to stay for an extended period, then continue to renew their contract if all goes well. Many coaches see this position as a stepping stone, and I don't really blame them. The trick is not to hire the short timers, but a good/great long-timer.

Nobody is EVER locked in. You SIGN a contract. That is not "locked". You had a choice and you signed the agreement. It means you had the intent to honor the agreement. If you want to leave, pay the balnce. If they want to fire you, negotiate a freaking buy-out. We call this business in my world.

[monte81]

I don't think anyone should be locked into a 10 yr contract. What if the job they do is not satifactory? Then we're either stuck with them or buying them out. Contract extensions/renewals are fine with me.

The ideal situation would be to find someone willing to stay for an extended period, then continue to renew their contract if all goes well. Many coaches see this position as a stepping stone, and I don't really blame them. The trick is not to hire the short timers, but a good/great long-timer.

I agreed and did not suggest a long term (10years) contract right now or anytime but someone who wants to be here for the long haul! A Massillon man who wants and desires the Massillon Super job and HC job! DEDICATION and LONGIVITY to the job are essential to success.

[Tiger54]

I agreed and did not suggest a long term (10years) contract right now or anytime but someone who wants to be here for the long haul! A Massillon man who wants and desires the Massillon Super job and HC job! DEDICATION and LONGIVITY to the job are essential to success.
YES! Would Blosser have even been hired if they knew he was going to leave after two years and a 7 month notice is not much time for that kind of job. If he has a 3 year contract and has worked 2 years of it, what happened that he will not finish his three years. We NEED to get the right people in these jobs.

[ks4uk]

BILL ZWICK, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, HE WOULD HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 2 YRS. BUT BECAUSE HE WAS GOOD FRIENDS WITH COACH SHEPAS THE BOARD DID NOT WANT THAT. LIKE MR. DANIELS TOLD ME "WE GOT THE RIGHT MAN AND HE IS GOING TO BE HERE FOR AWHILE " LIED TO AGAIN. WHEN IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND BOE GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO WILL STAY NO MATTER WHAT, OR AT LEAST LONGER THAN FRED DID. CLEAN HOUSE ON ALL BOE MEMBERS THAT WANTED FRED IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IF WE ARE STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN LETS START AT THE TOP AND WORK OUR WAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND GET NEW-SUPER-BOE-COACH AND THE REST OF THE BUDDY SYSTEM, THAT EXISTS IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM!:help2:

GO TIGERS

[OTC TIGER]

Bill Zwick would have retired here..5-10 years out..Bill had a tremendous passion for Massillon and would have worked extremely hard to make Massillon
a winner in all facets..sports & academics..it's the one job he held out for and b/c of political :bs: we must start over again. What an embarrasment. :wall:

[Obie Wan]

Bill Zwick would have retired here..5-10 years out..Bill had a tremendous passion for Massillon and would have worked extremely hard to make Massillon
a winner in all facets..sports & academics.
How did he do in Marion on either of those fronts?

[shortbev]

that is the downfall of our american educational system...it is VERY political...or in my own words...whose butt are you kissing...to get the job...and keep it...

the sad thing is, the priorities aren't the kids and their education...

[cat]

Heard Mr. Blosser resigned due to the "great political" board of education. When is the board of ed going to act as a BOE instead of individual dictators who are in the position for betterment of themselves instead of the students of Massillon. TAXPAYERS and VOTERS of MASSILLON CITY SCHOOLS NEED TO WAKE UP. The superintendent runs the schools and the BOE should back his recommendations as long as its feasible. This school district is a JOKE!:stars:

[Benchboss1]

Heard Mr. Blosser resigned due to the "great political" board of education. When is the board of ed going to act as a BOE instead of individual dictators who are in the position for betterment of themselves instead of the students of Massillon. TAXPAYERS and VOTERS of MASSILLON CITY SCHOOLS NEED TO WAKE UP. The superintendent runs the schools and the BOE should back his recommendations as long as its feasible. This school district is a JOKE!:stars:



When the voters of Massillon vote the right BOE in, then you will get your desired results!

[CATS44]

Mr Blosser had a long and successful track record as an administrator. I wish him the best of everything in his retirement.

It was an announcement from out of left field, and it is reasonable to wonder why. Obviously the BOE election did not motivate him to continue.

The MCS is like a centipede. We dont wait for the other shoe to drop. We wait for the other shoes to drop.

[Mr.Deedee]

cat--

You "Heard?" And "This school district is a joke?" Perhaps it is rumor mongers like you who think they know it all that make it such. Gee, seems like this district still turns out top notch kids who are successful and do well for themselves and their community. Doesn't seem like a joke to me.

Can't we have one thread on this forum that does not include snide comments, rumors, back stabs, negativity, assumptions etc. etc.....I sure wish some people would get the facts before opening their mouths.

I agree with Obie Wan. Let's get on with life.

[tigersrbest]

I am very sorry that Fred Blosser is leaving. He is a quality person and an excellent administrator who is well respected throughout the state. If it is true, as some on here have speculated, that he is leaving because of a contentious relationship with the BOE, this does not bode well for the school system. If the board is driving out a man of Blosser's caliber, we have some major, major problems.

What makes anyone think that Chris Smith would come back here?

[Obie Wan]

I am very sorry that Fred Blosser is leaving. He is a quality person and an excellent administrator who is well respected throughout the state. If it is true, as some on here have speculated, that he is leaving because of a contentious relationship with the BOE, this does not bode well for the school system. If the board is driving out a man of Blosser's caliber, we have some major, major problems.
The trouble with this theory is that 4 of the 5 members who hired Blosser are still on the Board. Would the relationship have soured that quickly? And if it did, why would Blosser not make his case in public? A tactful silence does us no favors.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

just pray osama bin hennon doesn`t get the job. you think it`s bad now ,imagine if he gets in.

[Obie Wan]

To be fair, there's every possibility that Blosser resigned for personal reasons that have nothing to do with a contentious work environment. For all we know (and this is only a hypothetical), his wife just received an unfavorable medical diagnosis and he truly does want to spend more time at home.

As such, we should not be too quick to jump to unflattering conclusions.

[man2man]

Like I said, a major announcement would hit. But I don't know anyone or anything. :tounge:

Blosser is a man of high character and integrity. He says what he means and means what he says. He does not carry hidden agendas and has a difficult time dealing with those who do have them. To quote someone very close to the situation: "It's all politics in Massillon".

Blosser is also a huge supporter of Stacy, also a man of character. The two worked very well together and were philosophically aligned with the goals of the program. The question becomes now does this accelerate the process to hire Stacy before July, or puts the whole thing on hold. And how does this affect Stacy's desires to stay or leave?

I'll let you know when more news is on the way.

[Obie Wan]

He does not carry hidden agendas and has a difficult time dealing with those who do have them.
Which is a fatal flaw in any politically charged environment.

The job of a leader is to lead. Sometimes you persuade people to march with you. Sometimes you knock people out of the way. The trick is to find someone with the finesse for the former and the strength for the latter.

Maybe next time.

[Red50Go]

I'll let you know when more news is on the way.

Great, so will I.

Hey guys, there is some news on the way. Sometime in the next couple weeks.

[Tiger54]

Like I said, a major announcement would hit. But I don't know anyone or anything. :tounge:

Blosser is a man of high character and integrity. He says what he means and means what he says. He does not carry hidden agendas and has a difficult time dealing with those who do have them. To quote someone very close to the situation: "It's all politics in Massillon".

Blosser is also a huge supporter of Stacy, also a man of character. The two worked very well together and were philosophically aligned with the goals of the program. The question becomes now does this accelerate the process to hire Stacy before July, or puts the whole thing on hold. And how does this affect Stacy's desires to stay or leave?

I'll let you know when more news is on the way.
Well, if the both of them were happy with what went on with the football program during this past season, then I have serious reservations about both of them. Let's not even consider the wins and losses---let's only talk about the behavior on the sidelines, the "teamwork," the cohesiveness, the decisions/comments by the head coach---when your head coach says, gee, I just don't know what is wrong! There are a lot of long-time season ticket holders that were extremely unhappy with the things that they saw during the season. I still find it very disheartening that one coaching candidate had to withdraw from the race because of his refusal to move to Massillon, but yet this coach has been here for three years and never moved here. Reminds me of another head coach that we had.

[OTC TIGER]

Well, if the both of them were happy with what went on with the football program during this past season, then I have serious reservations about both of them. Let's not even consider the wins and losses---let's only talk about the behavior on the sidelines, the "teamwork," the cohesiveness, the decisions/comments by the head coach---when your head coach says, gee, I just don't know what is wrong! There are a lot of long-time season ticket holders that were extremely unhappy with the things that they saw during the season. I still find it very disheartening that one coaching candidate had to withdraw from the race because of his refusal to move to Massillon, but yet this coach has been here for three years and never moved here. Reminds me of another head coach that we had.

This post and thread is all about the ability to lead...or lack there of :huh:

[massillon catholic]

Blosser wanted Stacy and the board said NO! Blosser doesnt want to work for a board that doesnt support him.

[Seeker]

Blosser wanted Stacy and the board said NO! Blosser doesnt want to work for a board that doesnt support him.

I buy it.
But if its true, maybe he should tell the public.

[massillon catholic]

I buy it.
But if its true, maybe he should tell the public.

I dont think he wants to put the board on the spot since Stacy is still on the job. At least for two more weeks.

[Tiger54]

I dont think he wants to put the board on the spot since Stacy is still on the job. At least for two more weeks.
Well, if this post is really true, it isn't going to disappoint many Massillon people. Did you see the letter to the editor last night from an L. Letcavits. That letter expressed the thoughts of a lot of Massillon people. I saw nothing in it that was not true---the changing of our mascot, the living in Canal Fulton, etc., etc. Read it. If Blosser supports this coach, he is not supportive of real Massillon football. And if we need to do another search, the earlier the better.

[massillon catholic]

Well, if this post is really true, it isn't going to disappoint many Massillon people. Did you see the letter to the editor last night from an L. Letcavits. That letter expressed the thoughts of a lot of Massillon people. I saw nothing in it that was not true---the changing of our mascot, the living in Canal Fulton, etc., etc. Read it. If Blosser supports this coach, he is not supportive of real Massillon football. And if we need to do another search, the earlier the better.

Didnt read the letter to the editor. Have more details? Also, we dont need to do a search, there are plenty of Massillon guys that can do the job.
Stacy has no excuses. He actually had a beneift that other head coaches haven't had. He was here before and also coached at the DI college level and still couldnt figure it out. Two more weeks.

[SternRulz]

Nobody is EVER locked in. You SIGN a contract. That is not "locked". You had a choice and you signed the agreement. It means you had the intent to honor the agreement. If you want to leave, pay the balnce. If they want to fire you, negotiate a freaking buy-out. We call this business in my world.

I didn't mean "locked" as in never able to get out of it. :doh2: Notice I mentioned the buyout etc.? I meant to not start off signing a 10 yr. contract off the bat. I don't see the point of it. Why not just sign shorter term contract, then renew/extend to avoid the sometimes messy "business" part of getting out?

[Obie Wan]

I meant to not start off signing a 10 yr. contract off the bat. I don't see the point of it.
I'm not sure that I see the legality of it. There are certain situations in which the length of the contract is limited by law. I don't know if he could be offered a contract longer than 4 years.

[Kamd50]

When the voters of Massillon vote the right BOE in, then you will get your desired results!

I agree with this, however, look at the lack of quality and quantity of people we have that even run for the positions.

[OTC TIGER]

Part of the problem is some great cadidates live outside the district but in the city limits

[Seeker]

Part of the problem is some great cadidates live outside the district but in the city limits

With all due respect, Dude, then they would not be candidates.

[Tigress]

Didnt read the letter to the editor. Have more details? Also, we dont need to do a search, there are plenty of Massillon guys that can do the job.
Stacy has no excuses. He actually had a beneift that other head coaches haven't had. He was here before and also coached at the DI college level and still couldnt figure it out. Two more weeks.

Here is a copy of the Letter to the Editor that was in yesterday's Inde.

"What Tiger Traditions did Coach Tom Stacy Uphold?"

To the editor:

To those people who think Tom Stacy should stay in Massillon for another year, think about this: He and his family should have known what was expected of him. He was here before, as an assistant to Lee Owens.

If you want to talk about traditions, which ones did he bring back. Here is a short list of the "traditions" he did away with.

He didn't like Massillon well enough to live here. The money he earned here, he is spending in Canal Fulton.

He didn't like the school system enough to have his daughter educated here, but it was good enough to give his son a coaching job.

He didn't like our "Tiger image," so he had to copy someone else's, and try to call it "Obie."

He didn't trust the team to choose a captain, so he chose 12 co-captains. (Too may chiefs and not enough indians?)

He didn't allow any sideliners on the sidelines this year.

He doesn't teach, he doesn't schedule, yet he only seems to remember four or five plays during games.

A mediocre coach wants to stay in the same job for years on end because he is mediocre.

A great coach will leave in two or three years because he has accomplished what he set out to do, and has gotten bigger and better job offers, which is what he so rightfully deserves. When he leaves here, he spreads the word about the great Massillon football program.

A smart board of education hopefully knows the difference.

Linda Letcavits
Massillon

[massillon catholic]

Here is a copy of the Letter to the Editor that was in yesterday's Inde.

"What Tiger Traditions did Coach Tom Stacy Uphold?"

To the editor:

To those people who think Tom Stacy should stay in Massillon for another year, think about this: He and his family should have known what was expected of him. He was here before, as an assistant to Lee Owens.

If you want to talk about traditions, which ones did he bring back. Here is a short list of the "traditions" he did away with.

He didn't like Massillon well enough to live here. The money he earned here, he is spending in Canal Fulton.

He didn't like the school system enough to have his daughter educated here, but it was good enough to give his son a coaching job.

He didn't like our "Tiger image," so he had to copy someone else's, and try to call it "Obie."

He didn't trust the team to choose a captain, so he chose 12 co-captains. (Too may chiefs and not enough indians?)

He didn't allow any sideliners on the sidelines this year.

He doesn't teach, he doesn't schedule, yet he only seems to remember four or five plays during games.

A mediocre coach wants to stay in the same job for years on end because he is mediocre.

A great coach will leave in two or three years because he has accomplished what he set out to do, and has gotten bigger and better job offers, which is what he so rightfully deserves. When he leaves here, he spreads the word about the great Massillon football program.

A smart board of education hopefully knows the difference.

Linda Letcavits
Massillon

Thanks for posting it. I have to agree 100% with the writer. Its time to bring in a Massillon guy. The years of having a guy come in for two or three years are over. We need a coach that understands Massillon and wants to live, coach, and raise a family in MASSILLON!

[Seeker]

We need a coach that understands Massillon and wants to live, coach, and raise a family in MASSILLON!

Small correction: Not "MASSILLON", but rather the Massillon City School District.

[Kamd50]

Thanks for posting it. I have to agree 100% with the writer. Its time to bring in a Massillon guy. The years of having a guy come in for two or three years are over. We need a coach that understands Massillon and wants to live, coach, and raise a family in MASSILLON!

I and probably just about every other Massillon fan out there, agrees with and would like to see this happen more than anything right now. The big question is, if it will ever really happen, and if not, why???

Good letter from Linda Letcavits. Thanks for posting the letter, Tigress. Where were you able to find that online?

[OTC TIGER]

:iagree:

[Tiger54]

Here is a copy of the Letter to the Editor that was in yesterday's Inde.

"What Tiger Traditions did Coach Tom Stacy Uphold?"

To the editor:

To those people who think Tom Stacy should stay in Massillon for another year, think about this: He and his family should have known what was expected of him. He was here before, as an assistant to Lee Owens.

If you want to talk about traditions, which ones did he bring back. Here is a short list of the "traditions" he did away with.

He didn't like Massillon well enough to live here. The money he earned here, he is spending in Canal Fulton.

He didn't like the school system enough to have his daughter educated here, but it was good enough to give his son a coaching job.

He didn't like our "Tiger image," so he had to copy someone else's, and try to call it "Obie."

He didn't trust the team to choose a captain, so he chose 12 co-captains. (Too may chiefs and not enough indians?)

He didn't allow any sideliners on the sidelines this year.

He doesn't teach, he doesn't schedule, yet he only seems to remember four or five plays during games.

A mediocre coach wants to stay in the same job for years on end because he is mediocre.

A great coach will leave in two or three years because he has accomplished what he set out to do, and has gotten bigger and better job offers, which is what he so rightfully deserves. When he leaves here, he spreads the word about the great Massillon football program.

A smart board of education hopefully knows the difference.

Linda Letcavits
Massillon
As I said, everything said in that letter hit it on the head! Now, do we have a SMART BOE? I hope that our new Board Member will do the right thing and vote his conviction and not now become speechless.

[man2man]

The loss of people like Blosser, and perhaps Stacy, only weakens the school system and football team. But you have to have character, integrity and vision to understand that. No way we are the better for losing two men of high character, if in fact Stacy chooses to leave as well.

As far as the letter - sounds like someone's nephew or grandson didn't get to play enough. Sour grapes.

It's Mr. and Mrs. Stacy's choice where to live and educate their children. Maybe Ms. Letcavits would like her personal life choices examined by the public?

[massillon catholic]

Small correction: Not "MASSILLON", but rather the Massillon City School District.


Is this correction free? Thanks

[massillon catholic]

Maybe Ms. Letcavits would like her personal life choices examined by the public?


She's not a public servant like Mr. Stacy, as you call him.

[Obie Wan]

It's Mr. and Mrs. Stacy's choice where to live and educate their children.
It's also their choice to be honest (or not) in public statements about those those decisions.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

She's not a public servant like Mr. Stacy, as you call him.

How sure are you of that?

[massillon catholic]

How sure are you of that?

What, that Stacy isn't one or Letcavits is one?

[go obie 1989]

[QUOTE=man2man;86787]
As far as the letter - sounds like someone's nephew or grandson didn't get to play enough. Sour grapes.

Ms Letcavits doesn't have a grandson. Her only relative in the program was a freshman this year. The "sour grapes" are not because of play time but are clearly stated in the letter.

[Red50Go]

The loss of people like Blosser, and perhaps Stacy, only weakens the school system and football team. But you have to have character, integrity and vision to understand that. No way we are the better for losing two men of high character, if in fact Stacy chooses to leave as well.


I think you have to have character, integrity, and vision to understand the problems that true, lifelong Massillon fans/residents are describing w/ the current state of our team, and future of the program.

Btw, some good points in the letter, but I do not agree w/ several others, ie public complaints on playcalls, policy on sideliners, and especially about great coaches should leave.

[Tiger54]

The loss of people like Blosser, and perhaps Stacy, only weakens the school system and football team. But you have to have character, integrity and vision to understand that. No way we are the better for losing two men of high character, if in fact Stacy chooses to leave as well.

As far as the letter - sounds like someone's nephew or grandson didn't get to play enough. Sour grapes.



It's Mr. and Mrs. Stacy's choice where to live and educate their children. Maybe Ms. Letcavits would like her personal life choices examined by the public?
Well, you know what, man2man, you don't tell one candidate that they have to move into the city if they get the job and then NOT make the "winning" candidate move here. In many cases, that would be an illegal search! You keep referring to these men "of high character." Well, both of these men promised the city of Massillon things on which they never followed thru. If you could watch this Tiger team, with SOME players who were undisciplined, who treated their teammates with disrespect, and threw their helmets on the field after a loss---is that what Stacy promised us when he came here? He promised us that his players would be disciplined---is that what we got this year?

And Blosser, when he came here, promised the citizens of Massillon that by the year 2009 we would be the best ACADEMIC school district in the area---it's going to be pretty hard to do when he makes a resignation announcement in 2007, isn't it? So, do you still want to discuss men of character? Where was the commitment to Massillonians in either one of these cases?

[Obie Wan]

I and probably just about every other Massillon fan out there, agrees with and would like to see this happen more than anything right now. The big question is, if it will ever really happen, and if not, why???
Actually, I think the bigger question is "Who would it be?". It's all well and good to say that we need a Massillon guy, but it would be foolish to make that the primary criterion. It's one thing to hire a great coach who is from Massillon. It's quite another to hire an unproven or mediocre coach just because he's from Massillon.

[massillon catholic]

Actually, I think the bigger question is "Who would it be?". It's all well and good to say that we need a Massillon guy, but it would be foolish to make that the primary criterion. It's one thing to hire a great coach who is from Massillon. It's quite another to hire an unproven or mediocre coach just because he's from Massillon.


Massillon hired Stacy and he was unproven. Why not give a Massillon guy the same shot?

[Obie Wan]

Massillon hired Stacy and he was unproven. Why not give a Massillon guy the same shot?
How'd that work out?

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

There is also another problem with looking for a Massillon guy: we're all Massillon people. That means that many of us know these coaches. They are our friends or our family. A comprehensive evaluation of their credentials will, by definition, include deliberation of their shortcomings and failures. That has a very big potential to create dissension and hard feelings - not to mention that personal relationships will almost inevitably cloud objectivity.

[Seeker]

This thread is about the superintendent position.

Let's be careful about any coach discussions.

Thanks

http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6779

[massillon catholic]

How'd that work out?

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

There is also another problem with looking for a Massillon guy: we're all Massillon people. That means that many of us know these coaches. They are our friends or our family. A comprehensive evaluation of their credentials will, by definition, include deliberation of their shortcomings and failures. That has a very big potential to create dissension and hard feelings - not to mention that personal relationships will almost inevitably cloud objectivity.


Then hire Whiting or Jason Hall.

[massillon catholic]

Sorry. Didnt see your post Seeker.

[LLRose]

Here is a copy of the Letter to the Editor that was in yesterday's Inde.

"What Tiger Traditions did Coach Tom Stacy Uphold?"

To the editor:

To those people who think Tom Stacy should stay in Massillon for another year, think about this: He and his family should have known what was expected of him. He was here before, as an assistant to Lee Owens.

If you want to talk about traditions, which ones did he bring back. Here is a short list of the "traditions" he did away with.

He didn't like Massillon well enough to live here. The money he earned here, he is spending in Canal Fulton.

He didn't like the school system enough to have his daughter educated here, but it was good enough to give his son a coaching job.

He didn't like our "Tiger image," so he had to copy someone else's, and try to call it "Obie."

He didn't trust the team to choose a captain, so he chose 12 co-captains. (Too may chiefs and not enough indians?)

He didn't allow any sideliners on the sidelines this year.

He doesn't teach, he doesn't schedule, yet he only seems to remember four or five plays during games.

A mediocre coach wants to stay in the same job for years on end because he is mediocre.

A great coach will leave in two or three years because he has accomplished what he set out to do, and has gotten bigger and better job offers, which is what he so rightfully deserves. When he leaves here, he spreads the word about the great Massillon football program.

A smart board of education hopefully knows the difference.

Linda Letcavits
Massillon

This post may be the greatest outline for the mindset and cultural changes that must occur for the Tigers to get to the next level.

(Copied from the quoted post)
"A mediocre coach wants to stay in the same job for years on end because he is mediocre.
A great coach will leave in two or three years because he has accomplished what he set out to do, and has gotten bigger and better job offers, which is what he so rightfully deserves. When he leaves here, he spreads the word about the great Massillon football program."

I could name consistent Ohio State High School Football winning programs (multiple/consistent state championships) that disproves the statement in totality.

The above paragraphs describe a tried and true formula for unmet expectation.

[Obie Wan]

This thread is about the superintendent position.

Let's be careful about any coach discussions.
Seig heil. :tonguewave:

Let's talk about superintendents with Massillon connections, then. The obvious candidates are Bill Zwick and Chris Smith.

The guy who is a little under the radar at this point is Mike Ziegelhofer at Lexington. He's a '72(?) WHS grad, Lexington schools have been been rated as Excellent under his leadership, and he did hire a Massillon guy as head football coach. To be fair, Lexington isn't Massillon -- but it would be foolish not to give him a serious look if he's interested in the job.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=Obie Wan;86902]

Let's talk about superintendents with Massillon connections, then. The obvious candidates are Bill Zwick and Chris Smith.


Good luck with Bill Zwick after the last go round with this BOE :doh2:

[Obie Wan]

Good luck with Bill Zwick after the last go round with this BOE :doh2:
Dealing with this BOE will likely be a problem for anyone. However, I'd also say this: anyone who can't deal with them during the application process probably won't be able to deal with them as Super, either. Better to find that out early.

[Tiger54]

Dealing with this BOE will likely be a problem for anyone. However, I'd also say this: anyone who can't deal with them during the application process probably won't be able to deal with them as Super, either. Better to find that out early.
I can't help but wonder who we are referring to on this BOE who would be a "problem" to deal with. Yes, a couple may be "problems" and certainly not people that I voted for, but why lump them altogether as "no-goods." Surely, some of them are on there for good reasons, at least I would hope so!

[man2man]

Our old friend Todd Porter weighs in on the subject today. Looks like he did most of his research on MP then wrote a few paragraphs. Glad us "shut-ins" could help, TP.

[massillon catholic]

Our old friend Todd Porter weighs in on the subject today. Looks like he did most of his research on MP then wrote a few paragraphs. Glad us "shut-ins" could help, TP.


Why didnt you post the losses?

[SECTION13PBTS]

this Linda Lektivits Doesnt Have A Clue.coach Stacys Son Was A Volunter.which Means Not Being Paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No!!!!!!!!clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Benchboss1]

My biggest question is how in the he-l this BOE will be able to hire a superintendent or coach, if it becomes necessary to do so, without the input/decision making abilities of Mr. AH?

On the other hand, could they do worse without him?

[massillon catholic]

My biggest question is how in the he-l this BOE will be able to hire a superintendent or coach, if it becomes necessary to do so, without the input/decision making abilities of Mr. AH?

On the other hand, could they do worse without him?


You lost me here.

[SECTION13PBTS]

Mr Catholic, You Fall Under The Same Class As Miss Letivits.
no Clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xtiger]

Mr Catholic, You Fall Under The Same Class As Miss Letivits.
no Clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who annointed you king?

[CATS44]

I will address only one thing in this thread...

Vision.

Vision means that you look into the future, plan for that future, and do the things appropriate to make sure the future is molded to your vision.

Using the position of HS head football coach as an example....

A coach with vision would look at his underclasses and middle school programs as the future. He would ensure that everything possible was being done at those levels to prepare the younger players for their time at the varsity level. He would keep a close watch on the academic progress of those youngsters, because a kid that cant pass his classes has no part in the future.

A coach with vision would understand that lack of discipline at the varsity level has a snowballing effect throughout his program. What starts out as a problem with one varsity player ends up being a lot of problems down the road. Such a coach would make decisions for the long haul, and not merely for the next week....unless, of course, he wasnt planning on being here to reap the negative ramifications.

[CarlE]

Mr Catholic, You Fall Under The Same Class As Miss Letivits.
no Clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, Einstein. What he said was absolutely true. Now, let's talk about this clueless thing.

[massillon catholic]

I will address only one thing in this thread...

Vision.

Vision means that you look into the future, plan for that future, and do the things appropriate to make sure the future is molded to your vision.

Using the position of HS head football coach as an example....

A coach with vision would look at his underclasses and middle school programs as the future. He would ensure that everything possible was being done at those levels to prepare the younger players for their time at the varsity level. He would keep a close watch on the academic progress of those youngsters, because a kid that cant pass his classes has no part in the future.

A coach with vision would understand that lack of discipline at the varsity level has a snowballing effect throughout his program. What starts out as a problem with one varsity player ends up being a lot of problems down the road. Such a coach would make decisions for the long haul, and not merely for the next week....unless, of course, he wasnt planning on being here to reap the negative ramifications.


Well said, Cats. Stacy said from the beginning this was a three year stint for him and by the way he treated the feeder system I certainly believe he had no intention to stay. So, let's grant his wish

[Red50Go]

I will address only one thing in this thread...

Vision.

Vision means that you look into the future, plan for that future, and do the things appropriate to make sure the future is molded to your vision.

Using the position of HS head football coach as an example....

A coach with vision would look at his underclasses and middle school programs as the future. He would ensure that everything possible was being done at those levels to prepare the younger players for their time at the varsity level. He would keep a close watch on the academic progress of those youngsters, because a kid that cant pass his classes has no part in the future.

A coach with vision would understand that lack of discipline at the varsity level has a snowballing effect throughout his program. What starts out as a problem with one varsity player ends up being a lot of problems down the road. Such a coach would make decisions for the long haul, and not merely for the next week....unless, of course, he wasnt planning on being here to reap the negative ramifications.

There it is. Post of the thread. Exactly true.

Knowing what you have in 7th/8th grade and have them running the same offense & defense up thru varsity. Execution doesn't just happen. And thats always been our achilles. Mentor's coach just said the same thing over the weekend. He said no way could they run that spread the way they do had he not implemented it back in middle school w/ this class in mind. Of course talent & skill sets change, so if you have a smash mouth team, big fullback, big line, not so great qb, then you put in a power game for that class and let them master it for 4-5 years.

We ran an offense this year that this class probably never practiced before, coaches never seen them run before, and took 3 losses and half the season before they knew it was a bad decision.

[massillon catholic]

We ran an offense this year that this class probably never practiced before, coaches never seen them run before, and took 3 losses and half the season before they knew it was a bad decision.


Not only had the players never seen it before, it appears neither did the coaches. And, whatever offensive scheme it was, it came without a playbook.

[gotigers1]

If this thread goes off-topic again, it WILL be shut down!!:admin:

[GR8ING]

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[Seeker]

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Who controls this sight are people that have the best interest of the schools and sports programs in mind.

Who controls this sight are the people that own, design and pay for it.

Who controls this sight are people that post rules for members to follow, then back it up when the rules are ignored or not even read.

Who controls this sight are people that won't allow someone to come here and state unsubstantiated slanderous remarks.

[tigerbill]

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[massillon catholic]

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[Seeker]

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