Mistakes can be costly...

[Tiger_proud521]

I will have to dig out my pshyc books to look up how many emotions a person goes through whenever they experience a loss but I can tell you so far I have experienced anger, sadness,denial and now I am on acceptance. I think I have run the table. I can say this, whenever you think are having a bad day at work, try for a minute think of what Bobby Huth must feel like both emotionally and physically (after that cheap late helmet to helmet shot he took late in the game). Mistakes were made by our beloved Tigers and this really good Moeller team made us pay for them dearly very early in the game. OUr mistakes cost us the game. We got knocked on our butts early on and just couldnt get back up. But I still say we didnt play bad, in fact there were times mostly in the 3rd quarter that I thought for a minute we were coming back. But once we got our momentum we would get it knocked out of us. We need and I say this with much feeling we need to for the love of God starighten ourselves around on punt returns. It was like Deja Vu. We need to het better at defending the pass. maybe we blitz too much? It seemed better when we stayed at home. I feel bad for the boys but ther were some real nice plays, how bout that blocked punt! (That is more like it) that was down right heroic, that was hard nosed to take it right in the gut like that. Going on from here I try to cope with this loss by telling myself that some good will come from it, that this will be a wake up call that this will be what makes us a driven team. This is what i tell myself facing this tough stretch ahead. Lets go out there and beat this nationally ranked team and show them we wont be pushed around in our own house. I still believe. STAND ON IT AND STEER!! That is a favorite quote of mine. Dont try and be to fancy. Just do what we do best and do it with wreckless abondone. Run it down ther throats. Oh and Coach Stacy - Welcome to the head coaching job!! last year was a fairy tale given to you by the football Gods, dont dissappoint them!

[Class89]

Yep, punt returns/special teams seem to be a bugaboo for Massillon. We should know that from the St. X championship game.

Give Moeller some credit. They were very well prepared for our offense. That's a darn good football team right there. The Moeller football program is awake from hibernation.

I had the same feeling in the third quarter...that there was a shot we would come back but Moeller had it going on offense, defense, and special teams (a 45 yard field goal barely goes over the crossbar and hits the curved pole holding up the goal?!). It was Moe's day.

[DAWGH8R]

Good thing for us that Moeller is having a "down year" !! That coulda been murderous !!:doh2:

[tiger74]

it really hurts when you have them 3 and LONG and you can't friggin' stop them. that is sad!!!!:puke: we made moe look like the best thing since sliced bread!!! we CAN'T cover on simple punt return's. again making there return guy look like the next barry sanders and gee lets not cover there SAME routes they ran the whole game. that 3rd down killed us we stop them and we may have blocked another kick. also GOOD call on the pass interference {not}!!! they were not a better team then us!!! I don't care what others think I would take this team over moe 9 of 10 times!!! hopefully WE will throw the ball down field more then 15 yards in are next game!!! you can dink and duck the dc and canada teams but you must be able to go down field more then 15 yards. what really makes me furious is when we give up gift td's to the catholic schools in the fourth and doing that makes the score look worse then it really was. today we just couldn't fight are way through a wet paper bag.:sad2: . sorry for the rant and no I'm not calling out any of are players. we must fight through this. WE ARE TIGERS!!!!!:

[Catman]

I personally can't think of anything positive about the game except when I went down for a drink and saw Akron's winning touchdown run against NC State......we even had a guy have a diabetic seisure on our bus and had to call 911....fortunately I think the young man will be fine other then the fact he and his buddy have to find a way home from some hospital in C-Bus.

[chumly]

I'm just thinking and hoping this team (coaches and players) will react and adjust like they did last year after week 10. Actually, I really believe that they will. NOthING could be much worse than that 1st qtr performance - there's nowhere to go but up after that.

We need to stop spotting good teams points in the first half.

[slider63]

I think the defense did as well as can be expected considering Moe's starting point was usually around our 20. Until the fourth quarter, when the D understandably had nothing left in the tank, we played well against Moe's offense. There does need to be an adjustment made in the d back area as Moe seemed to pick on one particular area all game. Personally I think Turner needs to be on the field whether it is offense or defense this kid should play.
Clearly our defense struggles against the 3-3-5 defense and I hope our coaching staff figures it out becuase Mck and Mentor also runs this defense. Our offense was clearly confused from the start and obviously had no confidence in what they were trying to do. Obviously the special teams going back to the championship game is unacceptable. We have an excellent coaching staff and I am confident they will make the necsessary changes. Go Tigers, we need a win this week. Slider, out!!!

[Perry74]

There's an old saying in sports that goes something like this...you're never as good as you think you are (after a lopsided win) and you're never as bad as you look in a similar loss.

I watched the game and Massillon is a very good football team that had a bad day. Those things do happen. There is no doubt in my mind they will learn from this game, rebound and have another good season where they will be playing in week 11 and beyond. Coach Stacy and his staff will look at the film, make some adjustments and move on. Kids are more resilient than we think and they will be out to prove something next Saturday.

Good luck to the Tigers in Herbie's Classic.

[Tiger_proud521]

Hopefully it isnt the end of the world for us. I flipped back and forth from the OSU game to the St Ed St X game and saw that a very good team in St Ed's also got pinned with a loss. I certainately dont think they are a bad team I dont think they are hanging it up. My point is that this loss hopefully wont be the end of the world for us. We lost in week 10 last year and still managed to get to the big one. I hope that the kids are more determined and focused otherwise this could be a very bad year for us perhaps I dare not even think it 5-5?? (or worse). I do have confidence in Stacy and I hear that our defense has a great coach, hpefully he was having a bad day as well as the rest of the team. I hope that our QB stops staring at the target the whole entire time so that defenders dont act like they know what play is going to be ran and step in front of it for the interception. I also hope that this pain in my gut isnt my ulcer coming back ( I thought I got rid of that last year! :down: ) I hope that we get it fxed in practice this week. The last thing I want to hear is Mck fans running all over our house chanting "over rated" in week 10.God do I hate that!! :puke:

[Obie Wan]

The first mistake was agreeing to play in this game to begin with. The opponent is irrelevent, but these football fests just stink.

Anybody want to guess at the attendance? 5,000? 7,000?

We'd be far better off signing a home-and-home against Elder/Moeller/X than driving to Cincinnati to pay NFL prices for a game in a stadium that is totally devoid of atmosphere and in an environment that severely limits pre-game preparation.

God willing, next year's Herbie will bring an end to our participation in these things.

[TigerVic]

Obie Wan- I completely agree with you about this "festival". And not because we lost- I said the same things last year.

The lack of time (or confusion on time) for preparation- the Tigers came out ready to play and were made to stand in the sun for about 15 minutes before things got under way. A 12 minute halftime doesn't give much rest or the band an opportunity to play.

Having, as the visiting team, to stand out in the hot sun while the home team basks in the shade.

The annoying music being played over the band and before many snaps. The recorded cell phone commercials. If this is the atmosphere they would offer the state playoffs (along with the prices), no way.

The announcer annoyingly pronouncing our town as "MassillON"- someone obviously corrected her. The strip scoreboard had the usual Cincinnati spelling of "Massilon" on the score portion. Also, where was Obie on the scoreboard?- we're not the Massillon Tiger-Cats!

This is a two-bit operation not even worthy of Tony Clifton. Never again!

[Tiger_proud521]

Yes it wasnt our best effort and it doesnt give the rest of the State a very good impression of our program. Maybe that will be a good thing hmmm, maybe some teams who watched it will take us lightly?? Just a thought, trying to find the silver lining and all. St X looked real tough. I hope we see them again, like a State title rematch!!

[monte81]

The special teams need major adjustments---since when do we not have starters on special teams? We put ourselves in bad situations in the 1st quarter with the turnovers and special teams play! The coaching staff will adjust and we will perform better this week!

[CarlE]

it really hurts when you have them 3 and LONG and you can't friggin' stop them. that is sad!!!!:puke: we made moe look like the best thing since sliced bread!!! we CAN'T cover on simple punt return's. again making there return guy look like the next barry sanders and gee lets not cover there SAME routes they ran the whole game. that 3rd down killed us we stop them and we may have blocked another kick. also GOOD call on the pass interference {not}!!! they were not a better team then us!!! I don't care what others think I would take this team over moe 9 of 10 times!!! hopefully WE will throw the ball down field more then 15 yards in are next game!!! you can dink and duck the dc and canada teams but you must be able to go down field more then 15 yards. what really makes me furious is when we give up gift td's to the catholic schools in the fourth and doing that makes the score look worse then it really was. today we just couldn't fight are way through a wet paper bag.:sad2: . sorry for the rant and no I'm not calling out any of are players. we must fight through this. WE ARE TIGERS!!!!!:

48-14 and they are not a better team than us??? Hmmm, I REALLY struggle with that statement.

[Seeker]

48-14 and they are not a better team than us??? Hmmm, I REALLY struggle with that statement.

I would think that a the better team would realize what they were up against going into this "football fest" and be totally mentally prepared.
(And that includes the coaches.)

It was kinda of apparent that this was week 10 last year all over again.

[monte81]

I would think that a the better team would realize what they were up against going into this "football fest" and be totally mentally prepared.
(And that includes the coaches.)

It was kinda of apparent that this was week 10 last year all over again.

Wow! My thoughts exactly-- I saw kids holding there heads down when it was 14-0! We have to be more of a mentally sound football team in all areas! "The Mental is to Physical as 4 is to 1"

[CarlE]

I agree with Obiewan. We need to forget playing in these damn things and just freaking schedule a home and home with some of the participants. Still not an excuse for our performance, however. And I'm NOT buying the whole sit out in the sun for 15 minute B.S. We got our freaking heads handed to us.

[DAWGH8R]

Actually, Moeller was on the field WAY before we were !!!:sour:

[xtiger]

It was fairly obvious that Moeller wanted this game more than we did!


Let's redeem ourselves! Beat Hamilton!

[Catman]

I was never a big fan about dropping to division II but after a game like this reality sets in. We have many guys playing both sided of the ball, specialty teams etc. By the fourth quarter in that heat we were drained. I'm not making mistakes but when you look at the numbers and situations like this it makes sense.

[BigTime]

It was fairly obvious that Moeller wanted this game more than we did!


Let's redeem ourselves! Beat Hamilton!

Looking at the remainder of their schedule, Moeller HAD to have this game. It's seem like that is our predicament this week.

[tiger74]

carle, I really believe that moe is not 48-14 better then us. just like mckinley last year if we play hard and don't make mistakes we would beat them. thats what I was thinking, so I'm sorry if you struggled with my statement. not trying to pick a fight carle just clarifying my statement some. we are all tigers and will move on.:gotigers:

[CarlE]

carle, I really believe that moe is not 48-14 better then us. just like mckinley last year if we play hard and don't make mistakes we would beat them. thats what I was thinking, so I'm sorry if you struggled with my statement. not trying to pick a fight carle just clarifying my statement some. we are all tigers and will move on.:gotigers:

Gosh, not at all. No fighting intended here, buddy. I listened to the game and I just struggle with thinking we were better than Moeller. However, you DO bring up a good point about McKinley and our turnaround with them last year. Good point.

[Al.]

Having, as the visiting team, to stand out in the hot sun while the home team basks in the shade.

But as Yogi would say; "It ain't the heat, it's the humility." and "You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you."

[Obie Wan]

I listened to the game and I just struggle with thinking we were better than Moeller.
I don't consider myself to be delusional, but I still think we're better than Moeller. We hit a perfect storm where every little mistake we made had ramifications that far exceeded the normal consequences. It happens. As they say in the South, "The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass every day." Fix what's fixable, and forget about the things you can't control.

[tiger#22]

I don't consider myself to be delusional, but I still think we're better than Moeller.

I feel the same way Obie, sounds crazy after losing by 34 but there was just something about the way this team looked before kickoff. If you go back and watch the Mckinley game from last year you will see the exact same look on the Tiger sidelines.

[Seeker]

If you go back and watch the Mckinley game from last year you will see the exact same look on the Tiger sidelines.

It doesn't sound crazy at all.

I couldn't make it to the game, but we watched it live on Fox.

Three minutes into the game I told my son "My God, its week ten all over again."
And it was.

You could tell that there was a whole, whole lot wrong.
Now let's see if the coaches can figure it out.

[Tiger_proud521]

It doesn't sound crazy at all.

I couldn't make it to the game, but we watched it live on Fox.

Three minutes into the game I told my son "My God, its week ten all over again."
And it was.

You could tell that there was a whole, whole lot wrong.
Now let's see if the coaches can figure it out.

With all due respect I have to disagree. Week 10 felt deliberate to me and a lot of others that I have spoken to. That week looked like they were holding back and playing vanilla as they were already a lock in the play offs and wanted to play close to the vest so as not to show to much. It was hard to watch especially for me as I was forced to sit next to the Mck band with all my tiger gear on (I will have to post that story closer to Mck week it is pretty funny how I ended up there). I am not saying they tried to lose that game but I think they were going to play a basic gameplan win or lose and that game wasnt as hyped, at least for the players as it normally was. I kind of liked that mentality if indeed it was deliberate since I'm tired of that being our main focus, I liked that we were looking ahead to bigger things and then actually acheived arrivng there. But back to the topic, this past week we just played bad. We made too many costly mistakes early on and we missed a lot of things assinment wise. But we also looked brilliant at times. Consitency is the key to success at anything and last week we just didnt have it. I hope we can get it in practice because this next team looks to be even better and if we make the same mistakes again it may cause a lot of internal problems for us that may hurt us long term. This next game at home will be key for us and will set the tone for the rest of the season. At least that is my opinion.

[slider63]

Tiger_proud521 your comments on this topic were excellent. Great minds think alike. Go Tigers, Slider, out!!!

[monte81]

I was never a big fan about dropping to division II but after a game like this reality sets in. We have many guys playing both sided of the ball, specialty teams etc. By the fourth quarter in that heat we were drained. I'm not making mistakes but when you look at the numbers and situations like this it makes sense.

Our players were drained because the defense was on the field for 75% of the game! I didnt see BG, Daily,etc,... fatigued! Our special teams have 3-5 starters out there and thats why the big returns happened-- not enough 1st team players on special teams! I really dont understand how a 16-17 year old can be so fatigued after one game! In high school-- 50% or more players play both sides of the ball as well as play special teams! Hines Ward and Champ Baily did it in college in the SEC! It is all about conditioning and the will to win!!! Tigers step up and be noticed-- this season is far from over and I have the confidence that this team can get it done!!!

[MTown]

I love your enthusiasm, Monte...but I have to disagree with you here. Our time of possession was almost identical to theirs. It was 23 minutes to 25 minutes. And, you can't say that conditioning wasn't an issue when Gamble cramped up.

[pyromaniac]

Cramps are usually caused by dehydration, not conditioning. The hotter it is, the more liquids must be ingested.

[Obie Wan]

Cramps are usually caused by dehydration, not conditioning. The hotter it is, the more liquids must be ingested.
Bingo. These kids should be in the habit of drinking every time they come off the field.

Even more importantly, it's absolutely crucial to be fully hydrated before the game starts. A lot of people overlook this because they're so pumped up for the game that they forget or don't feel like it. Drink before and after warmups, and constantly during the game. Somewhere between a quart and a half-gallon about an hour before kickoff, 2 Tylenol (it's an anti-inflammatory which inhibits muscle swelling), and regular hydration during the game should go along way towards eliminating any problems with cramping.

[monte81]

I love your enthusiasm, Monte...but I have to disagree with you here. Our time of possession was almost identical to theirs. It was 23 minutes to 25 minutes. And, you can't say that conditioning wasn't an issue when Gamble cramped up.

Liquid intake is not fatigue! Those kids werent tired but beat! No excuses we need to pick ourselves up and prepare for Hamilton! Gamble plays 100% full go all day and he knows that he needed fluids but tired no way!! Moe was ready and we werent--Period!! We as tigers will bounce back this week and whoop Hamilton!!!

[tiger#22]

With all due respect I have to disagree. Week 10 felt deliberate to me and a lot of others that I have spoken to. That week looked like they were holding back and playing vanilla as they were already a lock in the play offs and wanted to play close to the vest so as not to show to much. It was hard to watch especially for me as I was forced to sit next to the Mck band with all my tiger gear on (I will have to post that story closer to Mck week it is pretty funny how I ended up there). I am not saying they tried to lose that game but I think they were going to play a basic gameplan win or lose and that game wasnt as hyped, at least for the players as it normally was. I kind of liked that mentality if indeed it was deliberate since I'm tired of that being our main focus, I liked that we were looking ahead to bigger things and then actually acheived arrivng there. But back to the topic, this past week we just played bad. We made too many costly mistakes early on and we missed a lot of things assinment wise. But we also looked brilliant at times. Consitency is the key to success at anything and last week we just didnt have it. I hope we can get it in practice because this next team looks to be even better and if we make the same mistakes again it may cause a lot of internal problems for us that may hurt us long term. This next game at home will be key for us and will set the tone for the rest of the season. At least that is my opinion.

Did you watch the team come out on the field 10 min before the kickoff and watch them on the sidelines? No excitement, nobody really fired up to play the first real opponent so far in 06', nothing really except standing around waiting with slumped shoulders and just a tired, worn out look to them.
The same exact look they had on the sidelines week 10 last year, now I will agree with you the gameplan for that week 10 game was very vanilla BUT the gameplan for this week wasnt vanilla, I just think they werent ready to play for whatever reason. If the team has the same kind of attitude that Stacy had today at TD Club we will be watching a completely different Tiger team then last week.
BEAT HAMILTON!!!

[Tiger_proud521]

Did you watch the team come out on the field 10 min before the kickoff and watch them on the sidelines? No excitement, nobody really fired up to play the first real opponent so far in 06', nothing really except standing around waiting with slumped shoulders and just a tired, worn out look to them.
The same exact look they had on the sidelines week 10 last year, now I will agree with you the gameplan for that week 10 game was very vanilla BUT the gameplan for this week wasnt vanilla, I just think they werent ready to play for whatever reason. If the team has the same kind of attitude that Stacy had today at TD Club we will be watching a completely different Tiger team then last week.
BEAT HAMILTON!!!

No unfortunately I couldnt make it down so I only caught glimpses when the camera was on them. Plus I hate to admit my wife caused me to miss the first 5 minutes since she couldnt decide which jeans to buy!! AHH

I agree that this last week was different from week 10 in so much as they wante to win and wanted to execute a gameplan to do so but just could not at first then got put deep in a hole early on.

It also stinks that thsi year I havemt been able to attend the TD club like I did the majoruty of last year. I always enjoyed hearing Stacy talk. You are right he makes you feel like he is in control and he really can make the needed changes in practice to make an improvement in the next game. He doesnt sput cliches, he just tells you like it it is and isnt afraid to take the blame.

I have the upmost confidence that this week will be a HUGE win for our beloved Tigers and it will be the needed boost we need to take down the rest of our opponents and get back into the big game for what will hopefully be a re match of last year with St X!

I predict a huge celebration downtown after the game!! The nation will be on notice that the Tigers are BACK!

[DAWGH8R]

Plus I hate to admit my wife caused me to miss the first 5 minutes since she couldnt decide which jeans to buy!! AHH


Is this the part where the BEER CAN falls out of the sky, and on your head ???

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