Some help is needed!

[DawgCatcher]

Hi all! As some of you may know, I am recently engaged, and my fiance is a North Canton Hoover graduate. She has written a letter to the editor in today's (Tuesday) Rep about her first ever Massillon McKinley game, and she is being blasted by some McKinley fans. So if some of youse Massillon fans would stop by the rep site, check out her letter and leave her some comments backing her up, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Go Tigers!

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=385138

[WoodyHayes]

Thuggery at its best if this is true.

[Seeker]

Where is she being blasted?

One comment about how dare she generalize, but all I see are apologies.

[giant lugey]

Just be glad she didn't attend the Marion Harding game.

[Tigermedic]

It was a nice letter, the only problem I see is that you are not engaged to a massillon girl???

[ChronicTiger]

Nice letter. I saw this going on and my first thought was this:

Why even let the band get close to the Mck student section?

[TigerLily]

Out of courtesy to the opposing team, our band always plays towards the home side.

In doing this at Fawcett, it meant lining up in front of the McK students so we could start with the opening routine and then go into the show.

I noticed the commotion going on over there too. Very bad.

But, kudos to our band for keeping their cool and remaining cordial.

(Sort of like a few years back when the McKinley band was on the field...won't go into that).

[football49]

You will see, this is how the McK fans are most of the time.
:rolleyes:

[Smitty]

... I am recently engaged, and my fiance is a North Canton Hoover graduate....


Oh God... another mixed marriage. :doh:

[chap]

:lol:

[Rushfan]

I,too,saw this appalling behavior at the game,but as usual,nothing was done about it and no mention of it was made by any media.However,if Massillon would have been doing this,it would've been reported clear to San Francisco. Canton McKinley and their thug following are the darlings of the state athletic association,so they will always get away with this kind of thing.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

DawgCatcher,

I saw her letter. I've seen worse behavior in my time. I won't discuss specifics but it has nothing to do with Massillon fans.

[ChronicTiger]

In doing this at Fawcett, it meant lining up in front of the McK students so we could start with the opening routine and then go into the show.


Im sure that it would have been impossible to do it any other way.....

:scratchchin:

[TigerLily]

We shouldn’t have to alter the way we do our show just to “avoid” being attacked or ridiculed by the opposing team’s students and fans. That’s ridiculous!

But, I guess if it’s going to become a threatening situation, then they might have to re-think it.

It’s funny though, the McKinley band started from the side of the field with our students and fans (north side) and nothing happened to them……
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-023.GIF

[DawgCatcher]

Where is she being blasted?

One comment about how dare she generalize, but all I see are apologies.

Go back and read some of the latest comments. They are far from aplogetic.

[DawgCatcher]

Oh God... another mixed marriage. :doh:

I have plenty of time to convert her. lol :laughing:

[ChronicTiger]

We shouldn’t have to alter the way we do our show just to “avoid” being attacked or ridiculed by the opposing team’s students and fans. That’s ridiculous!


Maybe so but how many times has this happened? And not just with Mck. Someone should make a note under lessons learned and protect our kids from a potential situation. Sorry, but its a stupid move to allow our band to stand in front of the opposing teams student section. What went on was wrong but how bout some common sense when it comes placing the kids.

:biggrin:

[SpiritLine08]

Alright, I know I'm in foreign land here, but I have to speak up on this issue. First, just so you all know, I'm the pep club/spirit line adviser at McKinley. I'll make that clear from the start.

Now, onto the TRUE story of what happened. First, the main stuff thrown at the band were the remnants of a stuffed animal tiger.. meaning stuffing and some 'outer shell' pieces. There was ONE plastic bottle chucked from about halfway up the student section and it wasn't thrown by a McKinley student. Our principal quickly went into the student section and removed that young person from the section and the game. The other administrators and I got control of the student section and the throwing stuff at the band stopped. Many of you on here are speaking like you 'saw' everything that happened when in fact I highly doubt that is true. There were no Massillon fans sitting near there and a select few band chaperones/Massillon administrators around. Unless you were one of those few people, you really don't know what went down. Now onto the responses above.

Thuggery at its best if this is true.

"Thuggery"? Are you serious? First, you cannot "thug" anything, so thuggery is not even a word. Second, this behavior is far from uncommon on BOTH sides of this rivalry. That's not condoning it in any sense, but this has been blown way out of proportion. Later in the game, our cheerleaders ran a sign around the field (equally bad choice to that of lining the band up in front of the student section for a good 5 minutes before the end of the half) and a couple of them had hard objects thrown at their heads. Where is your condemnation of that "thuggery"?

Out of courtesy to the opposing team, our band always plays towards the home side.

In doing this at Fawcett, it meant lining up in front of the McK students so we could start with the opening routine and then go into the show.

I noticed the commotion going on over there too. Very bad.

But, kudos to our band for keeping their cool and remaining cordial.

(Sort of like a few years back when the McKinley band was on the field...won't go into that).

First and foremost, props to your band for a fun and entertaining show and my apologies for the poor choice by the kid who chucked the bottle out at the band. Second, while I have no objection with you lining up wherever you feel like for halftime, wouldn't it make more sense to wait at the end of the end zone for that last few minutes and then move up to the starting positions right after the half ended? Again I'm not condoning any actions here, but the planning could have been much more proactive to avoid any chance of a problem happening. As for "noticing the commotion", that makes it sound like you were on the other side of the field. There was little "commotion" about it. Our kids listen when told to do something contrary to popular opinion on here. We have had ZERO issues with our student section this year as we have had great senior student leadership and they've had a great year no matter if we were winning or losing. As for whatever story you have from a "few years ago", I'm sure there are plenty of "stories" about Massillon to match it. There are poor choices made on both sides of this rivalry by students and adults alike. That does not however represent the majority of fans on either side.

You will see, this is how the McK fans are most of the time.

Really. Are you simple-minded enough to think that any such generalization is reasonable or true? Like I said above for every "bad" McKinley story there is a "bad" Massillon story to match. The truth ends up being that MOST fans are respectful of the rivalry and just enjoy the game for what it is. Step down off that high pedestal you've placed yourself on and re-join us in the real world.

I,too,saw this appalling behavior at the game,but as usual,nothing was done about it and no mention of it was made by any media.However,if Massillon would have been doing this,it would've been reported clear to San Francisco. Canton McKinley and their thug following are the darlings of the state athletic association,so they will always get away with this kind of thing.

Another simpleton type response... this is amazing to me. First of all you weren't there or you'd know that it WAS taken care of and quickly. Second of all, there was no need to put anything into the paper about it. Nothing was put in the paper about Massillon students throwing stuff at our cheerleaders or any of the other hundred plus stories everyone would have "proving" the other side is out of line. In reality, again, both sides have their idiots that misrepresent the vast majority of fans for that school.

We shouldn’t have to alter the way we do our show just to “avoid” being attacked or ridiculed by the opposing team’s students and fans. That’s ridiculous!

But, I guess if it’s going to become a threatening situation, then they might have to re-think it.

It’s funny though, the McKinley band started from the side of the field with our students and fans (north side) and nothing happened to them.

You're right, you shouldn't have to drastically change plans for behavior that shouldn't be happening. That being said, as an adviser/director/administrator, it is my/other's job to be proactive about avoiding situations that could bring about problems. If the band would've stayed in the end zone area, waited for the end of the half and then walked up and got into place, it would have avoided all chance of this happening. As for threatening, beyond the one bottle it was never threatening and I think if you ask Mr. Babics (sp?). who was right there, he'll tell you it was taken care of quickly.

As for the McKinley band, they didn't line up or spend significant time directly in front of the student section. That is the major difference. I'd hope that your adult fans that they were in front of would know better than to do anything like this.

In the end, I'll gladly apologize for the one young person who made a very poor choice and threw a bottle at the band and for the few that threw stuffed animal parts. It was not a good choice and it shouldn't have happened. It also, however, in no way represents the vast majority of our students who were there cheering on the team that day. Our kids are good quality kids (as are I'm sure the Massillon student section) and were there to cheer on their team and enjoy another chapter in the rivalry that is McKinley-Massillon. It'd be nice if we could all attempt to focus on the positives and not the incidental negative stories that arise from these games/events. The positives really do outweigh the negatives in the end and as has been said many times this fall, each school is made better by their rivalry and association with the other.

[SternRulz]

Great post and I agree 100% SpiritLine08.

It doesn't take a rocket science to know that every team has fans, young and old alike, who make poor choices that reflect poorly on the rest of the fanbase, team and city. Massillon is certainly no exception. And neither is Hoover. The finger pointing is ridiculous.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

David Eisenbrei commented on this whole alleged madness. After reading his comment, I wonder if he is related to Massillon native and father of two, CarlE. Interesting though!

[TigerLily]

Thank you SpiritLine08 for the comments and information. I’m am glad that the principal put a stop to the very few involved because that is the type of thing that once one person starts…it can escalate with someone getting hurt. (And, I’m kind of touchy when it comes to my Tiger Swing Band, if you haven’t noticed….)http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Music/music-007.gif

And, I do know that it goes both ways and we are not innocent. When we played McKinley in the Rubber Bowl some years back, I remember our students throwing adding machine tape or whatever it was at the McK band when they were in that corner of the stadium. They were throwing so far back that by the time it landed… looked more like a streamer.

I’ve seen many years of Massillon/McK and have witnessed a lot of different incidents (some pretty bad) and this one was very mild.

Gee, one year some were sitting in the end zone and throwing snowballs at the bulldog….(only in fun…the puppy was not grazed or phased…maybe he was even enjoying it). http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-037.gif

It’s an intense rivalry and stuff is going to happen. Still -- the Greatest Rivalry in Football!!

[Rushfan]

Hey,Spiritline08,I resent you calling me a "simpleton" for merely reporting what I saw.I work with a lady who's daughter is in our band. She was hit in the face with a battery.She was hit with pocket change. Don't try to sugarcoat your thug students behavior by lying about what was thrown and what you people claim you did to stop it,because you obviously didn't stop it soon enough.I notice you neglected to mention someone was taken off the field on a stretcher because they got hit on the back of their head with something. A close friend of mine refuses to go to Fawcett Stadium simply for the fact that crap like this happens all the time.:furious:

[PurpleArmy]

Some of you guys are acting totally obnoxious about this. I'm very sure that the childish behaviors goes both ways.

I think it was highly commendable, and very classy, of the McKinley band official to come on here to clarify what happened. They set straight what had become an overblown story that was more than likely not 100% truthful, and also apologized for their students actions.

For some of you guys to classify McK's entire student body as "thugs" is laughable. Do you honestly believe that Massillon students (as well as some adults) have never, ever behaved horribly at football games?

I can personally attest otherwise. A few years ago, when my boyfriend and I were with some friends at the Massillon-Warren playoff game at the Rubber Bowl, we were waiting to leave after the game, and a group of Massillon students (I know they were from Massillon, as they were wearing orange and 2 of them had on Massillon coats and all the girls had tiger paws painted on their faces) were screwing around as they were walking past our car, and one guy shoved his friend into our vehicle, and bent our antenna very badly in the process.

My boyfriend got out of the car to assess the damage, and told the kids to pay attention to what they were doing next time, and two of the boys got in his face, and started yelling obscenities at him, calling him a "stupid Mother F*****" and other such words.

One of the kids then shoved my boyfriend into our Jeep and punched him in the chest. His friend then jumped in and punched him as well, so my boyfriend had no choice but to try to defend himself. He punched one kid in the nose, which knocked him to the ground and tried to fight off the rest of the 4 boys who had decided to involve themselves in the fight.

They knocked my boyfriend to the ground and were kicking him non-stop in the stomach. Finally, two Massillon fans who were two cars back behind ours jumped out of their truck and came to his rescue. They finally got the kids calmed down and the kids said they were sorry for attacking him, but they were "mad that Massillon lost and they thought we were fro Warren". Like that made it OK. The two guys who helped us wanted to call the police, but my boyfriend said he wouldhn't press charges. In the end, he had 2 teeth knocked out and a lot of bruising, and we spent the rest of the day in the emergency room at Akron City.

I'm sure some of you remember that incident, as I posted about it a few years ago after it happened, and several of you apologized for the kids who acted that way, which was very nice. But it happens- kids sometimes do stupid things.

Another time, we had an adult Massillon fan throw hot chocolate at one of our friends whom we were sitting with the at Pickerington-Massillon playoff game a few years ago. Our friend is a big Massillon fan, and was standing up to cheer whenever there was a good play. This guy got upset that he couldn't see when our friend stood up, so he threw a full cup of piping hot chocolate at his head. My friend stood up and asked the guy what his problem was, and the guy then proceeded to throw a hot dog at him, and lunged at him from two rows back. A fight broke out and the police arrested the guy who was throwing the food.

And yes, I've seen my share of fights caused by McK fans as well. But for you guys to act as thought no one from Massillon ever starts fights or acts childish at games is just ridiculous. You know it happens everywhere, and Massillon is no exception. So go ahead and make as many ridiculous accusations as you want in the Canton Rep, but I'm pretty sure that no one believes that Massillon has a lily white reputation when it comes to the behavior of their students and fans at games over the years. Fights happen all the time, at just about every school around.

And I'm sure the personal attacks about me will no start up again since I posted this, but that's fine if that makes you feel better. I'm just saying that you can't expect everyone to believe that this type of behavior never happens with Massillon fans and students, and that only the McKinley kids act like "thugs".

[orangeblood]

All of this is supposed to be an excuse for the bottles thrown by the McK student section at our band? I saw it too, and it was more than one, believe it. :help:

[PurpleArmy]

Well, it sounds like it was handled as quickly as possible, and no one had to go to the hospital or anything or required stiches, so why are you still making such a major deal about it weeks after the fact?

[JustinTCoulter]

Yeah nobody was hurt, but I was disgusted on how McKinley Fans acted...

A lot of my friends have scratches and dents in their cars from McKinley Kids Throwing Rocks...

Im actually glad somebody said something...

[orangeblood]

Yeah nobody was hurt, but I was disgusted on how McKinley Fans acted...

A lot of my friends have scratches and dents in their cars from McKinley Kids Throwing Rocks...

Im actually glad somebody said something...Well, you see, Ms.Purple feels obligated to defend them because they are in the same league as her treasured Jackson Bears.

[CarlE]

Yeah nobody was hurt, but I was disgusted on how McKinley Fans acted...

A lot of my friends have scratches and dents in their cars from McKinley Kids Throwing Rocks...

Im actually glad somebody said something...


Oh Gosh you are SO right. NOBODY has ever had their car vandalized at Tiger stadium. God you people have to be KIDDING me with this crap?

[JustinTCoulter]

Hahahahaha...

Nothing good comes from Jackson anyway

[mike_da_man13]

i sat in the endzone for the game and an elderly lady next to me was hit with a rock by a canton native....

[CarlE]

i sat in the endzone for the game and an elderly lady next to me was hit with a rock by a canton native....

And you know this was a Canton native how? You saw who threw it? You then went up and examined their driver's license? This is now getting ludicrous.

[SpiritLine08]

Hey,Spiritline08,I resent you calling me a "simpleton" for merely reporting what I saw.I work with a lady who's daughter is in our band. She was hit in the face with a battery.She was hit with pocket change. Don't try to sugarcoat your thug students behavior by lying about what was thrown and what you people claim you did to stop it,because you obviously didn't stop it soon enough.I notice you neglected to mention someone was taken off the field on a stretcher because they got hit on the back of their head with something. A close friend of mine refuses to go to Fawcett Stadium simply for the fact that crap like this happens all the time.:furious:

Like I said, simple-minded. You think ANY of what you just said doesn't happen to McKinley fans when at Massillon? As for your stories, I don't know what to tell you other than band kids are good at making up stories. The throwing of stuff was stopped quickly and I was standing directly in front of the student section just beyond the band and there was ONE bottle thrown.

Keep up your typical Massillon view of our "thug" students. We'll see who the real "thug" students are in the coming weeks with the investigation going on in Massillon. I hate to bring that up because it is not particularly relevant, but I won't stand for your idiocy about McKinley students. They aren't perfect but they are hardly the criminals you make them out to be while standing in defense of your angelic students in Massillon. :bs:

[SpiritLine08]

All of this is supposed to be an excuse for the bottles thrown by the McK student section at our band? I saw it too, and it was more than one, believe it. :help:

OB,

Were you standing right there at the time? I love how all of you claim to have personally witnessed what happen when in reality there were MAYBE 10 Massillon people within true sight distance of the band. Re-read what I posted, I NEVER rationalized or condoned what was done (far from it actually). The exaggeration though needs to stop.

[SpiritLine08]

Hahahahaha...

Nothing good comes from Jackson anyway

:help:

And people wonder how Massillon fans get a bad name? WOW.... For the majority of Massillon fans on here who are reasonable and capable of thinking at a level beyond 2nd grade maturity, I sincerely feel bad for you.

[mike_da_man13]

And you know this was a Canton native how? You saw who threw it? You then went up and examined their driver's license? This is now getting ludicrous.

well to of the guys who claim they did see him claimed that he was a black kid, that right there narrows it down to less than a 1/5 of massillon washington and automatically eliminates all the area schools except for timken. The next reason is why would a massillon kid throw rocks into his own section when he could just as easily go to the other side?
On top of that when i left i saw kids of the same description obviously mck fans throwing rocks at massillon vehicles and passer byers yelling "f### massillon!"

I am not the smartest guy in the world but my deduction skills are not that horrible.

[CarlE]

well to of the guys who claim they did see him claimed that he was a black kid, that right there narrows it down to less than a 1/5 of massillon washington and automatically eliminates all the area schools except for timken. The next reason is why would a massillon kid throw rocks into his own section when he could just as easily go to the other side?
On top of that when i left i saw kids of the same description obviously mck fans throwing rocks at massillon vehicles and passer byers yelling "f### massillon!"

I am not the smartest guy in the world but my deduction skills are not that horrible.


Oh my FREAKING GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? So, because he was black he's from Canton. You know what? I'm stopping now. Too many other people are going to have fun with this.

You ARE right about one thing. You are NOT the smartest guy in the world. However, if we look at the OTHER end of that spectrum, you are right there junior.

[austinsm11]

well to of the guys who claim they did see him claimed that he was a black kid, that right there narrows it down to less than a 1/5 of massillon washington and automatically eliminates all the area schools except for timken. The next reason is why would a massillon kid throw rocks into his own section when he could just as easily go to the other side?
On top of that when i left i saw kids of the same description obviously mck fans throwing rocks at massillon vehicles and passer byers yelling "f### massillon!"

I am not the smartest guy in the world but my deduction skills are not that horrible.

Hmmmmm.....so no other schools have black students. Interesting.

Why would kids throw things in their own section...maybe because they are kids. Heck, we had some dumbasses throwing bottles at their own cheerleaders a few weeks ago....not all kids make the best decisions.

You saw kids of the same description later throwing rocks....what description is that? Black?

[mike_da_man13]

Hmmmmm.....so no other schools have black students. Interesting.

Why would kids throw things in their own section...maybe because they are kids. Heck, we had some dumbasses throwing bottles at their own cheerleaders a few weeks ago....not all kids make the best decisions.

You saw kids of the same description later throwing rocks....what description is that? Black?
maybe i should not have used the word black because race is irrelevant. They have a lot more go nowhere thugs than we do... or so i like to think.

[SternRulz]

well to of the guys who claim they did see him claimed that he was a black kid, that right there narrows it down to less than a 1/5 of massillon washington and automatically eliminates all the area schools except for timken. The next reason is why would a massillon kid throw rocks into his own section when he could just as easily go to the other side?
On top of that when i left i saw kids of the same description obviously mck fans throwing rocks at massillon vehicles and passer byers yelling "f### massillon!"

I am not the smartest guy in the world but my deduction skills are not that horrible.

Well, at least we agree on something.

Pitiful.

[TigerBBall2006]

:iagree:

maybe i should not have used the word black because race is irrelevant. They have a lot more go nowhere thugs than we do... or so i like to think.

You cannot be serious. Massillon has just as many "go nowhere" types as Canton does pal. Have you not been around Massillon in recent years? :suspect:

[mike_da_man13]

:iagree:



You cannot be serious. Massillon has just as many "go nowhere" types as Canton does pal. Have you not been around Massillon in recent years? :suspect:
really? Our last time i checked our graduation rate is over 63%.
I do agree with you though, there is a lot of wasted ability in this town that could be going to college but instead has headed down a very bad road.

[SternRulz]

really? Our last time i checked our graduation rate is over 63%.
I do agree with you though, there is a lot of wasted ability in this town that could be going to college but instead has headed down a very bad road.

A whopping 63%. Hopefully that is not acceptable to you.

[mike_da_man13]

A whopping 63%. Hopefully that is not acceptable to you.

no thats canton city's graduation rate ours is 93% i think.

[SternRulz]

no thats canton city's graduation rate ours is 93% i think.

Well that's much better than the 63% you stated above. And yes, Massillon CSD is 93%. Canton CSD is 73%.

[PurpleArmy]

Well, you see, Ms.Purple feels obligated to defend them because they are in the same league as her treasured Jackson Bears.

No, I just think that you guys are going overboard with this issue, and have no right to say anything, what with the current investigation going on in Massillon. Massillon kids have done their fair share of throwing things over the years. Kids from McK throw things too. So do Jackson kids, Hoover kids, Fitch kids, Lake kids,m etc. It happens all the time, and Massillon is no exception, so for you guys to act as though McK fans and kids are so much worse than everyone else is just ludicrous.

[Kamd50]

No, I just think that you guys are going overboard with this issue, and have no right to say anything, what with the current investigation going on in Massillon. Massillon kids have done their fair share of throwing things over the years. Kids from McK throw things too. So do Jackson kids, Hoover kids, Fitch kids, Lake kids,m etc. It happens all the time, and Massillon is no exception, so for you guys to act as though McK fans and kids are so much worse than everyone else is just ludicrous.

It seems that you are equally going overboard with your obcession with making posts on this topic when it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your school on either side of the issue. And who are you to say that Massillon people have no right to speak on a topic involving their own school, unlike you?

[SternRulz]

No, I just think that you guys are going overboard with this issue, and have no right to say anything, what with the current investigation going on in Massillon. Massillon kids have done their fair share of throwing things over the years. Kids from McK throw things too. So do Jackson kids, Hoover kids, Fitch kids, Lake kids,m etc. It happens all the time, and Massillon is no exception, so for you guys to act as though McK fans and kids are so much worse than everyone else is just ludicrous.

You're exactly right. Some people need to drop the "holier than thou" BS attitude.

I will say though, that the current investigation going on in Massillon is unrelated to what we're talking about here. That's a whole different ball of wax. I would hope that no Massillon fan would support alleged rapists or defend their actions.

[gotigers1]

Ok, this thread has gone off topic and turned ugly. Time to shut it down.