Cheap Shot!

[chumly]

Our QB received a blatant cheap shot to the head today (right in front of a ref who showed himself to be very inept at times). Not only was there not a penalty, but there will be no reprecussions for the player who did it.

So, I guss it's okay to make a helmet to helmet hit on a qb in HS? Why isn't there a rule where the OSHAA takes a look at those things and issues game suspensions? It's no secret that our QB had his bell rung a few times - what that Moeller player did was dangerous considering that fact!

[DAWGH8R]

I only saw the replay on the jumbotron, but unless it was helmet to helmet, it was close. Bobby's a tough kid, he'll be ready to go I'm sure. If the game was on the line, ( not down 4 scores), I bet he woulda been back !!!:gogogo:

[chumly]

Even the announcers on Fox said it looked like a helmet to helmet and they showed it clearly on the replay. The defender went head first up into Huth above shoulders - I believe the call is "unneccesary roughness on the qb."

I agree, Huth is a great competitor - we know he'll be back. I felt bad that he had an off day. AND, that's the game of football as we know.

[DPdad]

Defender should have definitely been flagged. He took two steps after Huth released the ball and hit the QB helmet to helmet. If that isn't a personal foul than what is? Any chance of a comeback was lost after that play.

[chumly]

and back to my main point - it was dangerous! We know football is dangerous - but all football players (and refs supposedly) are taught that such a hit is out of the question - especially on an exposed QB.

[Catman]

Hmmmmmm.....you don't suppose it was just the fact that the rest of the state hates our guts????? What about the pass interference call, again, in front of the ref on a pass that was tipped in front of him??? Excuse me, but unless I'm wrong, because the fact that the pass was obviously tipped the cancels any type of pass interference unless of coarse the tip is while the defender is crashing into the receiver....NOT 3 or 4 yeards before the receiver and by another player. I'm not one to cry the bad officiating play card but when something is as obvious as the roughing the passer and the tip in front of the play.....someone has to step up and get an explanation for these obviously blown calls.

[Obie Wan]

Well, Massillon picked a crucial 1st down when the refs gave us a completion on 4th down.

Don't allege malice when incompetence is an option. It makes us look like whiners and sore losers.

[Kamd50]

You are right on the money! I don't like to hear whining about officials either, but that sucked! Especially the hit to Bobby. We saw the replay on tape and it is obvious that was a deliberate late hit. I am shocked that the kid was not flagged! They fine you for that kind of crap in the NFL. Why don't those damn officials have to answer to anybody when they are so inept like that? My dead grandma could have called that game better! :bomb:
We are just darn lucky that Brian got back up and into the game after his injury. He looked to be in some serious pain on the replay.

No matter though, they will regroup and recover and beat the Huskies next weekend!

[PurpleArmy]

We taped the game on our DVR, and re-ran that play a few times. Sure looked like helmet to helmet to us.

We were wondering if Bobby suffered a concussion because of the hit. I hope he's OK.

[mike_da_man13]

i think its about time this thread gets closed down because isnt it agianst the rules to talk about players injurys?
bobby leaving the game didnt have a real impact on the game and yes i saw that pass interference call and it was the right call you cant blame the officials when the other team comes to play and you only show up for a series in the 3rd quarter
anyway this one is over no need to talk about it any more we have a much better opponet comming in this week
btw i hope bobby is ok

[DAWGH8R]

Pass interference was a GOOD call!! The PI took place BEFORE the tip. The receiver was pushed in the back, :sour: just before the ball was tipped !!

[chumly]

This thread is not talking about a current injury to a player - we know the rules. It's about a helmet to helmet shot our QB took in the game. Anybody, including the entire Hamilton football team who was watching the game on TV out here in AZ on Saturday, clearly observed as it happened and saw that our QB was injured at the time. Nowhere in this thread is anyone talking about his current status or "will he be ready this week," etc.

The helmet to helmet hit is mentioned by members on at least 3 threads in this forum, and it was talked about by the Fox game announcers - it's no secret, and some of us were bothered by it and have voiced our opinions on a forum about the game of football, a game having rules prohibiting such hits.

I am sure that when the ref who made the no-call is graded by his superiors, this will be mentioned to him. Regarding the rest of the game, calls went both ways, and it really had no bearing on the outcome. We lost because we had too much ground to make up after that first qtr implosion.

[pyromaniac]

While it would be nice if the officials would quit allowing these parochials to have open season on our QB and cheap shot him out of the game, the officials had no bearing on the outcome, as chumly also stated. Turning it over 5 times and allowing over 200 yards in returns caused that. Just remember, it is always darkest right before the dawn. Last year after the 1st McKinly game, we had some people saying there was no way we could beat McK, they were just that much better than us. We all saw how we responded. Time to pull ourselves back up and get after it. There is a lot of football left to be played this year.

[austinsm11]

Since we are talking about the helmet to helmet no call, I wondered what people thought of the penalty on Ohio State yesterday? Should that have been a penalty?

Personally I didn't think that he was trying to hit Colt helmet to helmet. It didnt look like his helmet really even hit the Qb's helmet to me and if it did it just kind of grazed it. He never lowered his head or anything. Just wondered what others thought.

[DPdad]

I think it should only be called if the defender is leading with his helmet. The hit in the OSU-Texas game should have been a no-call. The defender did make helmet to helmet contact, but he was upright and hit the QB in the shoulder pads first. Classy comment by Tressel at the half when asked about the call, saying the ref was protecting the QB which he understood.

[TigerDL71]

first off how in the world are you going to title this discussion cheap shot....its not like the moller player did it on puprose, im sure his intent wasn't to hurt bobby. That was just football and the kid made a good hit on bobby huth end of story. Next time we will send bobby out there with a pink jersey so he doesn't get hit. Thats just football deal with it. Thats just a fact of the game im sure the players intent wasn't to it bobby in the head like that. Trust me when you are making a tackle thats far from the last thing on your mind. You just hit whatever is there esp when going for the quarterback. To me this was not a cheap shot but just a play in football. The quarterback steps on the field knowing he is going to take some shots. If you are mollers head coach and your kid gets penalized for that what do you tell the kid? Next time just take it easy on the quarterback? Last night during the texas game he threw the flag and even the announcers were saying how bad of a call it was. That is just football...GET OVER IT

[Tiger_proud521]

Since we are talking about the helmet to helmet no call, I wondered what people thought of the penalty on Ohio State yesterday? Should that have been a penalty?

Personally I didn't think that he was trying to hit Colt helmet to helmet. It didnt look like his helmet really even hit the Qb's helmet to me and if it did it just kind of grazed it. He never lowered his head or anything. Just wondered what others thought.

You read my mind! I saw that hit and immediately thought of that non call against Huth. Those were terrible calls on both ends of the spectrum. I also agree with Chumly, that ref seemed really inept, I like the time he was announcing the call and then said "wait a minute and had to go ask someone for clarification". I also thought that this year was the year of peace and love towards Massillon??! I thought the new regime was loved? I guess they didnt get the memo in Cincy! Anyways let regroup and "protect our house" next week!

[austinsm11]

.its not like the moller player did it on puprose,
How do you know he wasn't? Did he tell you? Can you read his mind? I also can't say that he did it on purpose or read his mind, but isn't helmet-to-helmet a penalty regardless?

I wasn't there and didn't see the hit. Noone is saying the quartback shouldn't take a hit but if the player did hit him helmet to helmet like others have said, that should be a penalty. If our QB is left unprotected and takes a hard, legal hit...then it is just football.

Last night during the texas game he threw the flag and even the announcers were saying how bad of a call it was
Not sure what game you were watching but after a few replays they said it was helmet-to-helmet and should have been called. I believe that 2 of the 3 announcers said it should have been called and the third just said that he wasn't sure what to do in that situation. He said something to the effect of, "what would a coach tell the player to do. His head was up and he was just trying to make the tackle and accidentally hit his helmet."


Again, I wasn't at the game. I think the key here is if he lead with his helmet, like DPDad mentioned. In the OSU game the defender did not. I can't say for sure about the Massillon game, but it sounds like he did.

[TigerDL71]

austin i agree with you that helmet to helmet is a penalty regardless but to call it a cheap shot is not right at all. IF you have ever went to tackle someone you don't just say hey this play im going to helmet to helmet this kid so i can hurt him. You tackle the player anyway that you can. The player was just tackling bobby anyway that he could he didn't try to spear bobby in the head at all he just tackled bobby.The announcers in the OSU texas game did say that it was a bad call if you were listening. They said that the only way that they could have thrown a flag on the play is if they called helmet to helmet and herbsteit and bob davey both said that that was a very questionable call. I understand that they are trying to protect the QB but sometimes you just need to let them play. We are talking about high school kids not the pros. You will never hardly see that called in high school because kids don't really mean to do that they are just trying to tackle the player anyway that they can.In college the rule states that the use of the helmet including the facemask in an attempt to to butt or ram an opponent or attempt to punish him, now i don't know about you but where in that play can you show me where the player was using his helmet in an attempt to injure bobby or punish him by using his helmet as a spear or weapon? Could you have called helmet to helmet, yes. Could you have called it a cheap shot, NO. IM not trying to support moller here nor am i against massillon. To me thats just not a cheap shot thats all im saying.

[austinsm11]

Yes the announcers said it was a questionable call but they all said that it was in fact helmet to helmet. I don't know how the rule is written up. If helmets accidentally hit, is it still a penalty? I don't really know. This is a case where I felt the refs needed to let them play.


I doubt that most football players would want to tackle helmet to helmet,but in the spur of the moment you never know what anyone might do on a whim. Are you saying that no football player ever has ever lead with their helmet to try to hurt someone? None of us can really know for sure what the player was thinking. I see what you are saying about if it is a cheap shot vs. a penalty. I just don't think that anyone can say for absolute certain was this player was thinking and trying to do in heat of the moment.

According to TigerDon,
It didn’t help matters when Huth, after releasing a pass from the end zone, took a malicious forearm to the head late in the third quarter and was forced out.

I was under the impression that it was helmet to helmet, so maybe someone at the game can fill me in a little better and also give your opinion of if it was in fact a cheap shot, just a penalty, or a no call.

[HDTiger]

It's a fact of the game I agree but when a kid gets hurt is another story, That play did not turn the game the game was lost after the first 12 min. you win as a team and you lose as a team we did not play MASSILLON FOOTBALL. FACT>>>>>

[chumly]

I stand corrected for the title of my thread - maybe it was a "cheap shot" and maybe it wasn't - I certainly didn't talk to the Moeller player who did it, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and call it an "unintentional cheap shot" - how's that?

I stand corrected and I apologize for the title of the thread if it offended some, but if you read my posts and the post of some other people here, I think the main concern is that a qb (no matter who he is and what team he plays for) got knocked out of the game due to a no-call helmet-to-helmet hit. Enough said?:cool2:

I think that I last left it, that we should make a pretty good assumption that the ref who saw the hit gets graded and this will not go unmentioned to him. he shoulda made the call, he didn't and its now in the history books.

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BEAT HAMILTON!

[tiger4life]

I just finished watching the game for the first time on TV and from what I can tell, it was not only helmet to helmet but a leading helmet hit.

[Kamd50]

Exactly!

[Tiger_proud521]

I agree. It was late and it had bad intent written all over it.

[CarlE]

Our QB received a blatant cheap shot to the head today (right in front of a ref who showed himself to be very inept at times). Not only was there not a penalty, but there will be no reprecussions for the player who did it.

So, I guss it's okay to make a helmet to helmet hit on a qb in HS? Why isn't there a rule where the OSHAA takes a look at those things and issues game suspensions? It's no secret that our QB had his bell rung a few times - what that Moeller player did was dangerous considering that fact!

Quit whining. We got our a$$es kicked and there's no other way to put it. Time to put the crying towels away and prepare for the rest of the season. I HATE when Massillon fans start stuff like this.

[DAWGH8R]

CarlE,

You read the title, "CHEAP SHOT", and thought we found GREY GOOSE for a buck a swallow, didn't ya ?????

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/04/Grey%20Goose%20Fortune%20500.jpg

[TigerBob75]

Quit whining. We got our a$$es kicked and there's no other way to put it. Time to put the crying towels away and prepare for the rest of the season. I HATE when Massillon fans start stuff like this.
From the threads that I've read, I don't think that anyone's whining about the game. We did get our butts handed to us on a platter. But if you didn't see the hit don't come here saying we're whining about something. After watching the replays, the pass rush was good, up until he decided to lower his helmet (looked to me like when a boxer blatantly butt his opponent) and drove it into our QB's head. I think that if it was the other way around, we would probably say that it was a dangerous stupid act. I know I would. Sorry, that's not whining.

[Catman]

I'm not whining about the officials......they didn't make the difference in the game. I think that Stacy's staff will be doing some serious work this week. I've said all along that it sucks that we have to play the cupcake opponents like our first two games and then the fishwrap makes it sound like we just destroyed the Browns or Steelers. I think a lot of that got into the kids heads, not intentionally but how can it not when it's there in front of them everyday.

I stand corrected on the PI...I thought the tip was before the shove.

[CarlE]

CarlE,

You read the title, "CHEAP SHOT", and thought we found GREY GOOSE for a buck a swallow, didn't ya ?????

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/04/Grey%20Goose%20Fortune%20500.jpg

I was only hoping, my brother!!!

[Tiger_proud521]

Quit whining. We got our a$$es kicked and there's no other way to put it. Time to put the crying towels away and prepare for the rest of the season. I HATE when Massillon fans start stuff like this.


just got back from St Petes Beach and I know how hot the sun is down there, maybe that explains the comment?:cool2: Just kidding!

I dont think anyone is whinng at all or blaming anyone else for the loss. I havent personally heard that kind of stuff in years! You are I right we got our butts kicked. We had a lot of mistakes in the first 10 minutes and this Moeller team being the really good team that they are made us pay dearly for it. This wasnt no over hyped team from DC, this was Moeller and they have had our number more often than not. Howver and I dont know if you actully saw the game or not, I know I would have been at the beach if I was at St Petes, but that was a cheap shot that could of had dire consequences and for the ref to miss it in inexcusable. There should be no place for cheap shots in any game and it is up to the refs to protect the kids on the field of play.

We also were not totally bad and for a time I really liked our play and thought we would be making a comeback, but it was too late and that first quarter was too much to overcome, our spirit was broken. I HATE when you thnk when things are finally going our way with an trip to the Championship game and a new coaching staff who really have a mindset for the game at a higher level than high school. You think that we are on an upswing and start to believe that we are finally going to take it to the "St.'s" and the other top tier schools then WHAM we get emabarrased and knocked on our butts!! Once again our neighbors start the chant "overrated"!!

I hope that these student athletes that we live through during the season, the kids we put so much weight upon their shoulders, that they can take this stinging loss as a positive, as kind of a wake up call they can gain experience from and overcome their shortcomings quickly so that they can roll on into the play offs and have a chance to meet St X again in the title game. At least that is my dream, but I as well as the other posters on this site arent on the team so we can only hope and sit back and watch from the sidelines. The only tears I shed are tears of pain from getting whipped or the sorrow I feel for the players especially the Seniors who have the taste of a Championship in their mouths from being so close.

[TigerDL71]

cheap shot for what reason? Because when the player made the tackle his helmet hit bobby's or because it was a late hit on the QB? How often do you see helmet to helmet get called in college or the NFL? That penalty is rarely called. This is tackle football not touch football. Tackling players and people getting hurt are a part of the game its just something that happens. The moller player didn't try to spear bobby. You want to call anything a cheap shot call the hit on trent green a cheap shot, he was already sliding when he was hit

[chumly]

Quit whining. We got our a$$es kicked and there's no other way to put it. Time to put the crying towels away and prepare for the rest of the season. I HATE when Massillon fans start stuff like this.

Please! I would have started this thread had it been the other way around and our our player had delivered the same hit - PERIOD! I've been very clear to distinguish that one play from the rest of the game called by the refs, that calls went both ways against both teams and those calls had no bearing on the outcome of the game because we did get our butts kicked.
I also made it clear in later posts that I believed that the ref who made no-call would be advised to do so in the future - that's my guess. I've been diplomatic about my discussion here and have tried have this thread not be a discussion about anything else.

The helmet-to-helmet hit is mentioned in other threads by some respectable posters on this site, probably because they were disturbed that it was a no-call. It happened, its over, but I make no apologies to anyone for starting the thread, whether they HATE it or not.

If the same thing happens in the future, I hope we discuss(not whine) it again. Otherwise, I guess it's just open season on qb's to take a shot like ours did and it will remain without comment from the fans on here who care about it?

[TigerDL71]

if it was a cheap shot i would hope that the players on the team take care of it, if not then that doesn't really speak a lot of the team concept, that wasn't a cheap shot just a clean hit thats football get over it, people get hurt in football and get concussions, if one of our players has a good hit on the QB then thats fine, it seems to me like your suggesting that our players let up when they have a chance to hit the QB, if our playerdelievered a cheap shot on their QB then thats a whole different story

[chumly]

Huh?
It was a helmet-to-helmet hit. That is not "clean." I don't see where I said that our players should "let-up" on a qb - nail 'em if you can. Did you ever hear of a "clean hit" resulting in a guy getting his bell rung? I have, and that's football.

I hereby revise the title to this thread to be "Clean Helmet-to-Helmet Hit"

I override all my other posts in this thread with the following:

Wasn’t that a beautiful helmet-to-helmet hit that guy put on our QB after he released the ball, causing our QB to be knocked out of the game?

[Seeker]

This thread has been closed at chumly's (the thread's originator) request.