Awesome Job By Team and Coaches

[man2man]

What a great finish to a tough season for these kids and the coaching staff. When the season could have crumbled, they rallied together and finished with 4 straight wins. Its a credit to the coaching staff and the boys.

Congrats to Coach Stacy and his excellent staff. Absolutely outstanding play calling in crunch time and the kids executed to perfection. The offense has just exploded these last four games.

Everyone kept their poise when we got down by 10. Just the right mix of run and (safe) passes kept McK honest. Blocking was outstanding and we controlled the line of scrimmage all day. Big players make plays in big games, and big coaches make big calls.

Stacy gets his 3rd winning season in a row and continues his mastery over McKinley. Like his daughter said as she hugged me after the game "Yaaaay for my daddy!" Amen to that.

[TigerSupport]

:tig:

Couldn't have said it better! Great season guys!

[Obie Wan]

Like his daughter said as she hugged me after the game "Yaaaay for my daddy!"
Stacy has a 4-year-old daughter?

[DAWGH8R]

What a great finish to a tough season for these kids and the coaching staff. When the season could have crumbled, they rallied together and finished with 4 straight wins. Its a credit to the coaching staff and the boys.


Even had we 'crumbled', we still could have beaten Buchtel, Hills, and Harding !!!:rolleyes:

[TigerVic]

The coach called 3 plays that we probably planned and practiced for ten weeks- held them all just for yesterday: The reverse, the throwback pass, and the QB sneak.

[Benchboss1]

What a great finish to a tough season for these kids and the coaching staff. When the season could have crumbled, they rallied together and finished with 4 straight wins.





Not to put a damper on the win yesterday that we all enjoyed, not to mention needed, but you do realize that the last four wins were against the worst Buchtel team in the last 10-15 years, quite possibly the worst team from Warren that I have watched since we beat them 54-2 back in the late 80's, Western Hills, nuff said there, and a Mckinley team that was 3-7. A McKinley team that actually out gained us, while Perry did not allow them to cross the 50 yard line while on offense. These are the 4 wins that you are pimping our staff for?

[Benchboss1]

The coach called 3 plays that we probably planned and practiced for ten weeks- held them all just for yesterday: The reverse, the throwback pass, and the QB sneak.



TigerVic, I was really hoping for us to run the throw back screen pass since their backside end was pinning his ears back and coming hard all day, but the wheel route to Devoe was good enough!! That was a GREAT call!!!

[tigerbill]

Guys, you have to realize that Man2Man is either a PR stooge hired by Stacy for damage control or he is a bootlicker.

This is the mark of a great coach? In seven years being a head coach, six of them have a combined SEASON record of 36-24. Now, Folks, when I went to school many many years ago, that was an average 6-4.

Stacy does bring one thing to the table, though. Another 3 years and he and "Trash" will get us in the fed. I'm betting with his record the fed would welcome us with open arms. That was one thing Shep had going for us. As long as he was coach no way would they have accepted us.

Man2Man, I probably have more time standing in the urinal line at PBTS than you have been alive so please dispense with the great coach crap. I have seen a few in my lifetime and he is mediocre at best mainly because he has no discipline. 6-4 6-4 6-4

Well, there is always next year, I hope.

Go Tigers Go Coach Stacy and take "Trash" and Boy Blunder with you.

Tigerbill

[Tiger Flame]

There will be hope next year if we get somebody here to right the program and clean up the mess that we are in and restore discipline ! Somebody that has PROVEN CREDENTIALS and has a legitimate screening committee to make the selection. GO TIGERS

[LLRose]

Guys, you have to realize that Man2Man is either a PR stooge hired by Stacy for damage control or he is a bootlicker.

This is the mark of a great coach? In seven years being a head coach, six of them have a combined SEASON record of 36-24. Now, Folks, when I went to school many many years ago, that was an average 6-4.

Stacy does bring one thing to the table, though. Another 3 years and he and "Trash" will get us in the fed. I'm betting with his record the fed would welcome us with open arms. That was one thing Shep had going for us. As long as he was coach no way would they have accepted us.

Man2Man, I probably have more time standing in the urinal line at PBTS than you have been alive so please dispense with the great coach crap. I have seen a few in my lifetime and he is mediocre at best mainly because he has no discipline. 6-4 6-4 6-4

Well, there is always next year, I hope.

Go Tigers Go Coach Stacy and take "Trash" and Boy Blunder with you.

Tigerbill

Great post Man2Man

As for joining the fed, this year is a perfect example for joining the conference.

6-4 GlenOak made the playoffs and we didn't. Enough said. I though the program's goal was to compete for a state championship every year. You have to make it to the playoffs to compete for a state championship.

Hoover, GlenOak, Lake and Boardman make the playoffs and Massillon doesn't.

Check your egos and pray they let us in the league for the kids. November stinks with out Tiger football.

[massillon catholic]

This staff will soon be a thing of the past. LL can start going to Ashland to watch his buddy call the plays at Ashland U. Look for Mcdaniels to be running the show next year and the bet here is we will finally see Turner at RB. carrying the ball 25-30 times a game.

[tigerbill]

MC, can we survive without LL and M2M? Wonder if I can get off this blood pressure medicine if they go.

Does that post by LL mean that 6-4 is acceptable here even if we do make the playoffs? Am I missing something here?

Anyway I want to wish Tigervic a happy 87th. That puts you in the Paul Brown era so that is pretty special.

Tigerbill

[TigerVic]

MC, can we survive without LL and M2M? Wonder if I can get off this blood pressure medicine if they go.

Does that post by LL mean that 6-4 is acceptable here even if we do make the playoffs? Am I missing something here?

Anyway I want to wish Tigervic a happy 87th. That puts you in the Paul Brown era so that is pretty special.

Tigerbill

Well, Bill, I must confess, I'm not that old (although I've stood in that urinal line alot, too). I'm actually 47, but I felt PB's era needed SOME representation on here!

The Tigers will be back!

[massillon catholic]

MC, can we survive without LL and M2M? Wonder if I can get off this blood pressure medicine if they go.

Does that post by LL mean that 6-4 is acceptable here even if we do make the playoffs? Am I missing something here?

Anyway I want to wish Tigervic a happy 87th. That puts you in the Paul Brown era so that is pretty special.

Tigerbill

LL and M2M are a couple of frauds. To them, 6-4 is acceptable and none of their posts should be given any credibilty.

[tigerbill]

You don't know how happy that makes me knowing you are "only" 47, Tigervic. I may not be the "dean" as yet but you are one less I have to worry about.

Just kidding, of course but do we have anybody here that DOES go back to the PB era? I was 8 years old when he left Massillon so I really don't qualify.

Anyway, HAPPY 47th, Tigervic.

Tigerbill

[Benchboss1]

LL and M2M are a couple of frauds. To them, 6-4 is acceptable and none of their posts should be given any credibilty.



They were both probably HUGE Maronto fans as well!!:poke:

[LLRose]

They were both probably HUGE Maronto fans as well!!:poke:

With all due respect, you and MC are going to call me a fraud?

Your logic regarding the coach makes no sense.

Coaching continuity is the #1 variable the top programs in the state all possess. It is proven, it's a fact! Run another guy out of town, it has been such a great philosophy since the 70's.

PS, Moronto had the same problem Tom did this year. Over rated transfers that didn't get it done on the field. Plain and simple.

Moronto was such a bad coach he won a state championship in Florida. Wake up people this isn't difficult.

PS I didn't read anyone rip Tom or his play calling after the loss to Mentor.

Learn football and stop making fools of yourselves.

[CarlE]

PS, Moronto had the same problem Tom did this year. Over rated transfers that didn't get it done on the field. Plain and simple.



Really? I doubt, no I KNOW that NO transfer would have been telling Spanky where he was, or wasn't going to play. THAT, in a nutshell is what happened this year. Loss of control of the team. And it started early, even before the season. Some chose to shut their eyes or look the other way.

[LLRose]

LL and M2M are a couple of frauds. To them, 6-4 is acceptable and none of their posts should be given any credibilty.

Get the fishhook out of your mouth from the pre-season rankings. Pre-season polls mean nothing when based on an alleged "blue-chip" transfer.

Offensive line and QB play are the two most valuable offensive assets in high school football.

Run the ball, stop the run, don't turn it over and force turnovers and you'll be successful. That didn't happen in the 4 games we lost.

Play calling is overrated in high school football except in the mind of a second guessing, armchair quarterback, coach hater.

[Marie]

No one ripped Stacy after the loss to Mentor because we were all so relieved to see that the offense could score.

[LLRose]

Really? I doubt, no I KNOW that NO transfer would have been telling Spanky where he was, or wasn't going to play. THAT, in a nutshell is what happened this year. Loss of control of the team. And it started early, even before the season. Some chose to shut their eyes or look the other way.

I agree with you CarlE.

I'm not so sure the whole story regarding that issue has been revealed on this site.

[OTC TIGER]

36-24...But he's a great guy :smartass:

[LLRose]

No one ripped Stacy after the loss to Mentor because we were all so relieved to see that the offense could score.

With all due respect check the stats. The blue chipper showed up for that game. Same play calling as the Normandy game. Same result, no one complained after that loss.

[TigerDL71]

Same play calling as the Normandy game. Same result, no one complained after that loss.

There is a variable that you are not looking at though, the defense. Normandy played the whole game with 8 or 9 guys in the box every play and their safety was flying towards the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball. Mentor, on the other hand stayed in their 3-4 defense the whole game and refused to change it.

[man2man]

Get the fishhook out of your mouth from the pre-season rankings. Pre-season polls mean nothing when based on an alleged "blue-chip" transfer.

Offensive line and QB play are the two most valuable offensive assets in high school football.

These two statements are extremely accurate insights into this year's Tiger team. Talent at the skill positions does not equate to success on the field. You can't be inexperienced at QB and have unproven players at so many positions and expect to start out 4-0 with our schedule. IF we could have flip-flopped our schedule....but we couldn't.

Coach Ifft at Dover started the year rotating 3 QBs before settling on one, and he switched numerous other players around before year's end, especially on the O-line. So I guess he's another know- nothing coach :crap:

If you go back and check, some of the so-called experts on here predicted we would finish at 2-8. Where are you now?

The job is Stacy's to keep if he wants it.

[CarlE]

The job is Stacy's to keep if he wants it.

Of course it is. All the trash from the Fed hasn't been taken out yet.

[MTown]

These two statements are extremely accurate insights into this year's Tiger team. Talent at the skill positions does not equate to success on the field. You can't be inexperienced at QB and have unproven players at so many positions and expect to start out 4-0 with our schedule.

Man2man, you are 100% correct! The biggest puzzle that I still cannot wrap my head around is the O-line. It was our biggest worry during the offseason and instead of making progress, we continued to make the same mistakes time and time again. Why couldn't our coaching staff correct it? You don't have to have skill to have good fundamentals.

I'm curious to hear your response to that issue.

[Benchboss1]

With all due respect, you and MC are going to call me a fraud?

Your logic regarding the coach makes no sense.

Coaching continuity is the #1 variable the top programs in the state all possess. It is proven, it's a fact! Run another guy out of town, it has been such a great philosophy since the 70's.



Never said that I wanted to run every coach out of town after only 3-5 years, just the ones that deserve it, like Stacy. By the way, did you happen to know that HE was the one that made it known to the ones that hired him that he was NOT a long term coach for us? HE is the one that said he would only be here 3-5 years?:hello:

[#56tigerdad]

As far as our line goes and losses go. Check out the defenses who stacked 9 and 10 in the box while we insisted on running between the tackles. ANY TEAM would struggle with 10 in the box. If any of you geniuses tell me otherwise, you are a complete idiot. When teams ran base defenses against us we ran well. Memo for next year "SPREAD" the field and not allow 10 in the box constantly and oh yeah, maybe have somebody block the backside blitzer who always led the team in tackles against us.

[Benchboss1]

Coach Ifft at Dover started the year rotating 3 QBs before settling on one, and he switched numerous other players around before year's end, especially on the O-line. So I guess he's another know- nothing coach :crap:




The main difference between Ifft and Stacy is, according to you, Ifft actually made changes to his offensive line while Stacy kept the status quo. Again, did we ever try Vargas or Rose at a guard spot? Did we ever try Yoder at tackle, where he SHOULD have been playing? Did we ever try S. Clark at tight end and use Nickels as the fullback? Allmoves that we could have tried but didn't.

[TigerFan2000]

Man2man, you are 100% correct! The biggest puzzle that I still cannot wrap my head around is the O-line. It was our biggest worry during the offseason and instead of making progress, we continued to make the same mistakes time and time again. Why couldn't our coaching staff correct it? You don't have to have skill to have good fundamentals.

I'm curious to hear your response to that issue.

The O-line chose not to block for the transfer. Nothing mystical about it. It was just that plain and simple. The transfer rubbed some the wrong way and believe me, they were not making mistakes time and time again. The missed and weak blocks were by design. That I know for a fact!

[MTown]

If true....that's the saddest damn thing I've ever heard regarding Massillon football.

[Attack From Mars]

Man2man, you are 100% correct! The biggest puzzle that I still cannot wrap my head around is the O-line. It was our biggest worry during the offseason and instead of making progress, we continued to make the same mistakes time and time again. Why couldn't our coaching staff correct it? You don't have to have skill to have good fundamentals.

I'm curious to hear your response to that issue.

Can't answer that one. I did enjoy our O-line coach being introduced and being on the sideline with his 1997 state championship teammates. That was a nice touch. I'm glad to see that his head was with the team he helps coach.:wtf:

[#56tigerdad]

I guess the "TRANSFER" got over 1000 yards on his own then.

[austinsm11]

The O-line chose not to block for the transfer. Nothing mystical about it. It was just that plain and simple. The transfer rubbed some the wrong way and believe me, they were not making mistakes time and time again. The missed and weak blocks were by design. That I know for a fact!

So they choose not to block for a teammate which could have cost them games and getting into the playoffs? I'm not buying that.

I've played with guys that I didn't exactly care for, but I'm not going to sacrafice my season just for a teammate that rubs me the wrong way.

[tigerbill]

How are you going to keep a GOOD coach? I know a lot of the privates do (and I'm guessing here) because of a higher calling. I know Faust wouldn't have left Moeller for anything except Notre Dame. He stated so.

There are probably some publics that have kept their coach for many years and once every 20 years they make the playoffs.

I agree, we should get a good coach and keep him but when a college will pay him far more than we can how can we do it? It might work if we hired a Massillon native, something we haven't done since Paul Brown, Elwood Kammer. Augie Morningstar and lastly Bud Houghton. Houghton was 1947 so the time is ripe to try a Massillon boy. What are Monte81 and BJ doing these days? (As if I didn't know)

Tigerbill

[hitman]

As far as our line goes and losses go. Check out the defenses who stacked 9 and 10 in the box while we insisted on running between the tackles. ANY TEAM would struggle with 10 in the box. If any of you geniuses tell me otherwise, you are a complete idiot. When teams ran base defenses against us we ran well. Memo for next year "SPREAD" the field and not allow 10 in the box constantly and oh yeah, maybe have somebody block the backside blitzer who always led the team in tackles against us.


you can't spread the defense out and run between the tackles when your line is too big and slow.

[hitman]

The O-line chose not to block for the transfer. Nothing mystical about it. It was just that plain and simple. The transfer rubbed some the wrong way and believe me, they were not making mistakes time and time again. The missed and weak blocks were by design. That I know for a fact!

Get Out of Here! Nobody doesn't block b/c of hatred toward another player you must be a o-linemen's parent. The line wasn't good this year just face it. Last year the line was only a slight better b/c of Shane. Go look over last years games and watch how many times Gamble bounced everything to the out side b/c there was NO HOLES!!!!!!!!! The "no blocking" line really didn't show up against Mentorn did they? What was DT's stats that game???

[hitman]

Can't answer that one. I did enjoy our O-line coach being introduced and being on the sideline with his 1997 state championship teammates. That was a nice touch. I'm glad to see that his head was with the team he helps coach.:wtf:

Your right him STANDING over there and being honored as a high school state champion almost made you lose to McK! You should be proud that someone on your coaching staff has a great football background including a state championship. Those are the former players that are now coaches that are teaching our young players. Trust me, they are plenty of people out there that call themselves "coaches" and never played the game. What? Would you rather have them coaching our young players?

[hitman]

I guess the "TRANSFER" got over 1000 yards on his own then.

:lol:

[crackerman]

Ive said it before and I will say it again...and tigerbill is right.....the only way a Coach would stay at Massillon his whole career and not want to leave and more importantly the only way the whole town would support that coach even through bad seasons is if it is an Alum. Plain and Simple.

MC, Mcd wont be in massillon next year, he will be in the NFL with his son Josh who will be a head coach.

Back to topic, Congrats to Coach Stacy and the Tiger Team on a big win. Last time I checked Stacy is still the Head Coach, maybe other discussions should wait until he is not if/when that day ever comes whether it be this year or in 10 years..

[Purple Hayes]

The O-line chose not to block for the transfer. Nothing mystical about it. It was just that plain and simple. The transfer rubbed some the wrong way and believe me, they were not making mistakes time and time again. The missed and weak blocks were by design. That I know for a fact!

I hate to say it and still find it hard to believe, but I heard the same thing.

Maybe it got better and things changed as the season progressed. :scratchchin:

[crackerman]

I hate to say it and still find it hard to believe, but I heard the same thing.

Maybe it got better and things changed as the season progressed. :scratchchin:

If that is the case, which I would find very hard to believe, no way anyone would ever convince me of that, those guys should be banned from ever calling themselves Alumni. thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

[Attack From Mars]

Your right him STANDING over there and being honored as a high school state champion almost made you lose to McK! You should be proud that someone on your coaching staff has a great football background including a state championship. Those are the former players that are now coaches that are teaching our young players. Trust me, they are plenty of people out there that call themselves "coaches" and never played the game. What? Would you rather have them coaching our young players?

Well, considering the O-line has been arguably the weakest point the past two seasons, that "great football background including a state championship" hasn't translated into line play.
That wasn't the point anyway. How, as a coaching staff, do you ask your players to focus on the task at hand before the big game then go take part in a ceremony while your team is still on the field preparing.

[hitman]

Well, considering the O-line has been arguably the weakest point the past two seasons, that "great football background including a state championship" hasn't translated into line play.
That wasn't the point anyway. How, as a coaching staff, do you ask your players to focus on the task at hand before the big game then go take part in a ceremony while your team is still on the field preparing.

I believe he was the coach during the "runner up" year ALSO!!!! Like I said your right nobody especially coaches have NEVER been honored during a football pre-game or let alone before any athletic event. There are 2 line coaches, 3 if you count Durbin at TE, that I think could handle those mighty big 5-10 mins while Coach L was being honored.

[Red50Go]

O-line not blocking well on purpose is completely false. How rediculous. How many 3rd and 4th and 1's did we not convert w/ Herring and Yoder also? Remember Solon 1st & goal from the 1? And how come our QB couldn't set his feet every once in awhile? Face it, poor offseason preparation and poor schemes is our fault, and anything else is a shameful cowardly excuse.

Btw, I would never hire a former Mckinley star as asst coach, unless maybe it was years ago and he has a long proven record of excellence at other programs. I mean, whats the message to OUR players, and how do you relate?

[Banks]

How, as a coaching staff, do you ask your players to focus on the task at hand before the big game then go take part in a ceremony while your team is still on the field preparing.

Why are you pointing a finger at our OL coach,
'you haven't brought up the fact that the DC ( Kovacs ) was also out there for the ceremony.

[Fats]

O-line not blocking well on purpose is completely false. How rediculous. How many 3rd and 4th and 1's did we not convert w/ Herring and Yoder also? Remember Solon 1st & goal from the 1? And how come our QB couldn't set his feet every once in awhile? Face it, poor offseason preparation and poor schemes is our fault, and anything else is a shameful cowardly excuse.

Btw, I would never hire a former Mckinley star as asst coach, unless maybe it was years ago and he has a long proven record of excellence at other programs. I mean, whats the message to OUR players, and how do you relate?
I was also told that about our O-Line. If that is true then the coach should have benched the guys on the 0-Line and played guys who were willing to block.

On the Ex-Mckinley, Maybe the message he could, give our players, was what is needed to be a State Champion Team. The dedication, the off-season work, to play not for yourself but for the School, Teammates and Town.

[austinsm11]

I was also told that about our O-Line. If that is true then the coach should have benched the guys on the 0-Line and played guys who were willing to block.



If true, why would the coach bench the o-line for doing that when he didn't bench other players for refusing to play certain positions?

[91' alum]

The O-line chose not to block for the transfer. Nothing mystical about it. It was just that plain and simple. The transfer rubbed some the wrong way and believe me, they were not making mistakes time and time again. The missed and weak blocks were by design. That I know for a fact!

Nobody asked for my opinion but your going to get it. I REFUSE to ever believe this. What you are saying is nothing more than an excuse. END OF STORY. :notlistening: No "line" or group of players are ever perfect. They win as a team and lose as a team. Please keep your :bs: to yourself.

[Red50Go]

On the Ex-Mckinley, Maybe the message he could, give our players, was what is needed to be a State Champion Team. The dedication, the off-season work, to play not for yourself but for the School, Teammates and Town.

Who better to tell us that than a Bulldog? I hear ya but this town ought to be filled w/ guys who could teach what it means basically to be a Tiger. All I know is our lines the last 2 years have been, lets just say not good enough. The message must not be getting through.

[Tiger54]

This staff will soon be a thing of the past. LL can start going to Ashland to watch his buddy call the plays at Ashland U. Look for Mcdaniels to be running the show next year and the bet here is we will finally see Turner at RB. carrying the ball 25-30 times a game.
Lord, I hope that you do not mean that we will be seeing McDaniels in Massillon next year. I will not be proud of the Tiger program if that happens. We have already made a big change from Stacy's first year here and that would certainly be going in the wrong direction to get him here. Look at his previous schools---they weren't happy with him in Warren or McKinley by the time that he left those schools---is that what we want for the Tiger program and for our kids. I for one do not want to see it happen.

[Red50Go]

Sigh. He might be a good coach but all the baggage? Not to mention colored red & black? Gimminy christmas I never thought I'd see the day but who knows. Get Wakefield to coach the line and we'll be all set.

[Tiger54]

Sigh. He might be a good coach but all the baggage? Not to mention colored red & black? Gimminy christmas I never thought I'd see the day but who knows. Get Wakefield to coach the line and we'll be all set.
That's all we need is a former Perry and St. V coach---have we sunk to that?!

[RRanger]

Guys, you have to realize that Man2Man is either a PR stooge hired by Stacy for damage control or he is a bootlicker.

This is the mark of a great coach? In seven years being a head coach, six of them have a combined SEASON record of 36-24. Now, Folks, when I went to school many many years ago, that was an average 6-4.

Stacy does bring one thing to the table, though. Another 3 years and he and "Trash" will get us in the fed. I'm betting with his record the fed would welcome us with open arms. That was one thing Shep had going for us. As long as he was coach no way would they have accepted us.

Man2Man, I probably have more time standing in the urinal line at PBTS than you have been alive so please dispense with the great coach crap. I have seen a few in my lifetime and he is mediocre at best mainly because he has no discipline. 6-4 6-4 6-4

Well, there is always next year, I hope.

Go Tigers Go Coach Stacy and take "Trash" and Boy Blunder with you.

Tigerbill

I hope stacy get's a five year extention. no more shep

[Obie Wan]

Get Wakefield to coach the line and we'll be all set.
I would have taken Wakefield as the OL coach this year.

[SternRulz]

The O-line chose not to block for the transfer. Nothing mystical about it. It was just that plain and simple. The transfer rubbed some the wrong way and believe me, they were not making mistakes time and time again. The missed and weak blocks were by design. That I know for a fact!

The only way you could know that for a fact is if you yourself were on the O Line and choosing not to block for him. And if that's the case, well then you'd be a loser.

Don't throw the O line under the bus to satisfy your wild theories and ridiculous rumors.

[SternRulz]

I guess the "TRANSFER" got over 1000 yards on his own then.

Exactly. Imagine that.

[Mass6]

The only way you could know that for a fact is if you yourself were on the O Line and choosing not to block for him. And if that's the case, well then you'd be a loser.

Don't throw the O line under the bus to satisfy your wild theories and ridiculous rumors.

100% agree. If you heard that and it actually happened, then Massillon Football is in a sad state, which I fail to believe.

[Banks]

Sigh. He might be a good coach but all the baggage? Not to mention colored red & black? Gimminy christmas I never thought I'd see the day but who knows. Get Wakefield to coach the line and we'll be all set.

What did Wakefield coach when he was here ?

[massillon catholic]

I would have taken Wakefield as the OL coach this year.


Wakefield wouldn't work out because Stacy doesn't permit cussing. He thinks its the boy scouts not football. Nothing against boy scouts. As I've said before the problem with the O-Line rests with the guy who has the bulldog tattoo on his leg.

[CATS44]

Here is all you need to know about LLRose, who calls out others as frauds...

He apologizes for Marontos 6-4 year, using over rated transfers as the excuse...inferring that Maronto had no talent to compete. He also ignores Marontos previous two years, which were also disappointing.

Lets look at the the 'over rated' transfers and the rest of the talent lacking players on that team.

QB Erik White...full ride to BGSU, where he broke nearly every QB record in school history and played pro ball in Canada. Some over rated transfer.

LB/FB John Miller...full ride to Indiana. Not much talent in this guy.

LB Dan Hackenbracht...full ride to MSU. The guy sucked....lol. (J/K Hack)

RB Jerome Myricks...enough said.

RB Jason Stafford...enough said, part two.

OL/DL Bob Dunwiddie...no talent, yeah right.

OL/DL Trace Liggett...Kansas...ditto.

OL John Schilling...full ride to OSU. Another over rated transfer.

OL John Woodlock...full ride to Michigan. Yet another over rated transfer. (How can all these Big Ten guys be so over rated, but LLRose says they are.)

TEs Dan Harig and Gerald Pope....geesh, we had two of them.

PK Lee Hurst...a 4 yr letterman...we dont have many of those over rated types.

Not only was that team talented, it was probably the MOST talented in the last qtr century....and that includes the Zwick-Jordan-Crable group.

SOMEBODY has been proven to be a fraud on here. :poke:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Not only was that team talented, it was probably the MOST talented in the last qtr century....and that includes the Zwick-Jordan-Crable group.


Geeez, makes one wonder what our current Head Coach could have done with that team?

:kungfu:

[tigerbill]

DTN, I'd guess he'd be 6-4 since that's been his record 6 of the 7 years he's been a head coach. But he's got a thick playbook.

Tigerbill

[massillon catholic]

Here is all you need to know about LLRose, who calls out others as frauds...

He apologizes for Marontos 6-4 year, using over rated transfers as the excuse...inferring that Maronto had no talent to compete. He also ignores Marontos previous two years, which were also disappointing.

Lets look at the the 'over rated' transfers and the rest of the talent lacking players on that team.

QB Erik White...full ride to BGSU, where he broke nearly every QB record in school history and played pro ball in Canada. Some over rated transfer.

LB/FB John Miller...full ride to Indiana. Not much talent in this guy.

LB Dan Hackenbracht...full ride to MSU. The guy sucked....lol. (J/K Hack)

RB Jerome Myricks...enough said.

RB Jason Stafford...enough said, part two.

OL/DL Bob Dunwiddie...no talent, yeah right.

OL/DL Trace Liggett...Kansas...ditto.

OL John Schilling...full ride to OSU. Another over rated transfer.

OL John Woodlock...full ride to Michigan. Yet another over rated transfer. (How can all these Big Ten guys be so over rated, but LLRose says they are.)

TEs Dan Harig and Gerald Pope....geesh, we had two of them.

PK Lee Hurst...a 4 yr letterman...we dont have many of those over rated types.

Not only was that team talented, it was probably the MOST talented in the last qtr century....and that includes the Zwick-Jordan-Crable group.

SOMEBODY has been proven to be a fraud on here. :poke:


I believe that it is Doug Harig, but your points are right on.

[massillon catholic]

DTN, I'd guess he'd be 6-4 since that's been his record 6 of the 7 years he's been a head coach. But he's got a thick playbook.

Tigerbill

He wouldn't know what to do with that much talent. He had talent this year and was clueless. So, to answer your question, I'd say about 5-5, 6-4 and no playoffs. Thank God he's going back to Ashland U.

[Hack]

Cats, My older brother played for Maronto. Dave Hackenbracht.

[CATS44]

Hack: He was the BEST Hack, right? :lol:

[tig62]

PS I didn't read anyone rip Tom or his play calling after the loss to Mentor.


I thought Stacy was not on the side lines that night for medical reasons relating to his father. Wasn't Kovacs the acting HD instead? :eek2:

[Banks]

I thought Stacy was not on the side lines that night for medical reasons relating to his father. Wasn't Kovacs the acting HD instead? :eek2:


I believe Stacy only missed one practice the day of his dads surgery.

[TigerSupport]

As far as our line goes and losses go. Check out the defenses who stacked 9 and 10 in the box while we insisted on running between the tackles. ANY TEAM would struggle with 10 in the box. If any of you geniuses tell me otherwise, you are a complete idiot. When teams ran base defenses against us we ran well. Memo for next year "SPREAD" the field and not allow 10 in the box constantly and oh yeah, maybe have somebody block the backside blitzer who always led the team in tackles against us.

Hey Dad....don't hold your kid accountable or anything. That's one problem this program has. Blame the coach and not the players. I know what kinds of things are done in the program to try and get the kids to learn schemes and it's second to none and our kids STILL can't remember or learn it.....but let's blame the coach. Makes sense. If I remember correctly dad...we were 4th and 1 on the goalline against Solon...you can put the whole team on the line of scrimmage and the band....we should score no matter what play is called. Period. If you are #56's dad...go ask your son...he will agree with me.

[TigerSupport]

The main difference between Ifft and Stacy is, according to you, Ifft actually made changes to his offensive line while Stacy kept the status quo. Again, did we ever try Vargas or Rose at a guard spot? Did we ever try Yoder at tackle, where he SHOULD have been playing? Did we ever try S. Clark at tight end and use Nickels as the fullback? Allmoves that we could have tried but didn't.

You might as well go root for the soccer team because your football knowledge just hit rock bottom!!!!:stars:

[TigerSupport]

Wakefield wouldn't work out because Stacy doesn't permit cussing. He thinks its the boy scouts not football. Nothing against boy scouts. As I've said before the problem with the O-Line rests with the guy who has the bulldog tattoo on his leg.

It's called discipline! No wonder I ignore all your posts...holy smokes. I know when my kid gets into the program, I won't want him cussing. It's a bad, bad habit.

[TigerSupport]

DTN, I'd guess he'd be 6-4 since that's been his record 6 of the 7 years he's been a head coach. But he's got a thick playbook.

Tigerbill


From what I heard all year, our kids couldn't handle it - some of them straight up told me that. If you didn't have blinders on or knew ANY kid in the program, they'd tell you the same thing.

[man2man]

Tressel is anti-cussing as well. Doesn't seem to be hurting the Buckeyes.

In addition, he only wants his coaches to raise their voices when praising a player, not correcting them. Doesn't always happen, but it is a great standard.

By the way MC, aren't Catholics anti-cussing as well?

[#56tigerdad]

Tigersupport, When did you play and what position. Maybe you are just an athletic supporter.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=TigerSupport;82365] No wonder I ignore all your posts...

I for one WISH you would ignore all the posts...I'm tired of reading all of your
:bs:

[flaboi7]

its hard to believe this season is over already.. I can only hope that the players that return remember this season.. They waited to long to come together as a team... Reguardless of who plays for massillon it takes HEART.... DISCIPLINE..... HARD WORK... TEAM WORK... this years team were a prime example of what u should not WAIT to do... I no we have a winning season however it should have been a awesome year for this team and those seniors...

WE need a coach to put his foot down on day one and say... either u listen to my rules ,play like a team, and show up for EVERY event or you no where the door is located... that has beens massillons problem in the last 10 years.. NO DISCIPLINE... the kids rule the team not the 19 coaches we have

OH and yea... maybe that could be a problem too... to many hands in the kettle....

GO TIGERS

[TigerLily]

Tigersupport, When did you play and what position. Maybe you are just an athletic supporter.

Somehow I just knew that someday this little saying from GREASE (when the principal was making announcements -- "if you can't be an athlete,......" ) was going to show up on Massillon Proud......http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/pumpkin-008.gif

[Tiger54]

its hard to believe this season is over already.. I can only hope that the players that return remember this season.. They waited to long to come together as a team... Reguardless of who plays for massillon it takes HEART.... DISCIPLINE..... HARD WORK... TEAM WORK... this years team were a prime example of what u should not WAIT to do... I no we have a winning season however it should have been a awesome year for this team and those seniors...

WE need a coach to put his foot down on day one and say... either u listen to my rules ,play like a team, and show up for EVERY event or you no where the door is located... that has beens massillons problem in the last 10 years.. NO DISCIPLINE... the kids rule the team not the 19 coaches we have

OH and yea... maybe that could be a problem too... to many hands in the kettle....

GO TIGERS

And they should be told that if they don't show up in the conditioning room now and in the summer, they won't be playing in the fall. You don't go to the newspaper and make the complaints like he did two years in a row---you give them the rules, make them sign a paper, and then follow thru.

And talk about all the coaches, did the results show up in the QB position this year?

[giant lugey]

Remember these two words and where you heard it first:
IOWA STATE

[monte81]

Here is all you need to know about LLRose, who calls out others as frauds...

He apologizes for Marontos 6-4 year, using over rated transfers as the excuse...inferring that Maronto had no talent to compete. He also ignores Marontos previous two years, which were also disappointing.

Lets look at the the 'over rated' transfers and the rest of the talent lacking players on that team.

QB Erik White...full ride to BGSU, where he broke nearly every QB record in school history and played pro ball in Canada. Some over rated transfer.

LB/FB John Miller...full ride to Indiana. Not much talent in this guy.

LB Dan Hackenbracht...full ride to MSU. The guy sucked....lol. (J/K Hack)

RB Jerome Myricks...enough said.

RB Jason Stafford...enough said, part two.

OL/DL Bob Dunwiddie...no talent, yeah right.

OL/DL Trace Liggett...Kansas...ditto.

OL John Schilling...full ride to OSU. Another over rated transfer.

OL John Woodlock...full ride to Michigan. Yet another over rated transfer. (How can all these Big Ten guys be so over rated, but LLRose says they are.)

TEs Dan Harig and Gerald Pope....geesh, we had two of them.

PK Lee Hurst...a 4 yr letterman...we dont have many of those over rated types.

Not only was that team talented, it was probably the MOST talented in the last qtr century....and that includes the Zwick-Jordan-Crable group.

SOMEBODY has been proven to be a fraud on here. :poke:


HEY DUDE!!!! you missed a few

Bullock(sr)--NC State
Friedley---(sr)Bowling Green
Mcguire----(jr)UC
Craig York---(sr)Penn
Wrentie Martin(sr)--- hiedleburg
S. Siegenthaler---E. Michigan
Corrections: Jeff Harig, and David Hackenbrack(my sidekick)!

the things that went wrong with our team in 1987 is that Coach Moronto played people out of position for big games!! Schilling and Woodlock were soft up front and slow----ask anyone on the team. Sometimes either I or Hackenbrack had to play D tackle. However after Coach Moronto left he helped Stafford, Dunwiddie, Liggett, and I get into DI schools. I still talk to him and he admitted that he did alot of things wrong with personel--we played Woody ball when we should of played the speed and passing game game. Things would be alot differant if he was the coach right now because he learned that speed kills at any level! Moronto had contacts with the big schools and put 20 of us in DI colleges in 3 years!!!!

We lost to McKinley, St. Joes(loaded with NFL players and DII champs), Middletown, and Garfield!! THE CRAZY THING ABOUT WE WENT UNDEATED FROM JR. HIGH TO JV and they twisted our positons and messed up the team. Actually we didn't need none of those transfer but Liggett---Dunwiddie came to Longfellow in 8th grade and we dont consider him a transfer!

[Tiger54]

Wakefield wouldn't work out because Stacy doesn't permit cussing. He thinks its the boy scouts not football. Nothing against boy scouts. As I've said before the problem with the O-Line rests with the guy who has the bulldog tattoo on his leg.
And gee, who would that be? Why play these games, MC?

[TigerDL71]

Tressel is anti-cussing as well. Doesn't seem to be hurting the Buckeyes.

In addition, he only wants his coaches to raise their voices when praising a player, not correcting them. Doesn't always happen, but it is a great standard.

By the way MC, aren't Catholics anti-cussing as well?

There is a huge difference though between Tressel and Stacy. When the kids do something wrong at Ohio State, I bet they are scared to face Tressel about it and they really know about it when they do something wrong. When the massillon players do something wrong, I bet you they aren't that scared to face Stacy and won't be disciplined for it. Oh and BTW, I don't see OSU players throwing their helemts or walking off the field during their alma mater or attempting to stomp all over their oppenets mid field logo after a win. I also don't see players arguing with their coach or getting in a fist fight with each other on the side line. Just to name a few.


I also talked with someone who is affiliated with team who said that Tressel doesn't swear too much but his other coaches do. I was also told that if a player needs chewed out that Tressel doesn't hesitate to do it.

[Mass6]

There is a huge difference though between Tressel and Stacy. When the kids do something wrong at Ohio State, I bet they are scared to face Tressel about it and they really know about it when they do something wrong. When the massillon players do something wrong, I bet you they aren't that scared to face Stacy and won't be disciplined for it. Oh and BTW, I don't see OSU players throwing their helemts or walking off the field during their alma mater or attempting to stomp all over their oppenets mid field logo after a win. I also don't see players arguing with their coach or getting in a fist fight with each other on the side line. Just to name a few.


No Discipline!!!!!

[massillon catholic]

There is a huge difference though between Tressel and Stacy. When the kids do something wrong at Ohio State, I bet they are scared to face Tressel about it and they really know about it when they do something wrong. When the massillon players do something wrong, I bet you they aren't that scared to face Stacy and won't be disciplined for it. Oh and BTW, I don't see OSU players throwing their helemts or walking off the field during their alma mater or attempting to stomp all over their oppenets mid field logo after a win. I also don't see players arguing with their coach or getting in a fist fight with each other on the side line. Just to name a few.


You are right, you just named a few. There are plenty more.

[LLRose]

For the record I'm not going to bash former Moronto era players. They played with heart and represented Massillon football with pride.

This program will continue to suffer and never realize its state championship goals as long as the coach turns over every 3, 4, 5 years.

[LLRose]

There is a huge difference though between Tressel and Stacy. When the kids do something wrong at Ohio State, I bet they are scared to face Tressel about it and they really know about it when they do something wrong. When the massillon players do something wrong, I bet you they aren't that scared to face Stacy and won't be disciplined for it. Oh and BTW, I don't see OSU players throwing their helemts or walking off the field during their alma mater or attempting to stomp all over their oppenets mid field logo after a win. I also don't see players arguing with their coach or getting in a fist fight with each other on the side line. Just to name a few.


I also talked with someone who is affiliated with team who said that Tressel doesn't swear too much but his other coaches do. I was also told that if a player needs chewed out that Tressel doesn't hesitate to do it.

I'm the biggest tressel fan on the planet. It's a bad comparison.

Ask Steve Bellisari how scared he was when he played in the bowl game against South Carolina after getting a DUI.

I didn't see Tressel bench Clarret after showing up Tim Spencer on the sidelines against Northwestern.

The cussing statement from MC is another example of his lack of football knowledge.

Screaming, yelling and cussing is the #1 barrier to effective communication and on field teaching at the high school level.

Cussing NEVER won a football game, period.

[CATS44]

You are right about 3,4, 5 year coaches.

But it also wont work to have a coach that doesnt build a program from seventh grade up...who has one eye constantly looking at, or for, another job.

As for cussing, Woody seemed to be able to communicate quite well. So did Commings. Make a list of who you think have been our greatest assistant coaches down thru history. Try not to laugh as you think of them not using some profanity. Im not for it, but whatever style of communication we used this year didnt work.

As for Tressel...when kids miss classes, they miss a game. If their academics are substandared, they dont play. If they are late for meetings, they miss a game. If they dont do their weight training, they dont play. If they punch somebody in public, they miss games. If they have a run in with the law, they miss games. When they are at team functions, they are dressed for the occasion. Watch how they act, listen to them speak in public. Notice how they hand the ball to the ref after they score. Notice how they act and what they say after a win. Notice how they act and what they say after they lose.

Compare them to our kids over the last two years. THEN tell me that you really want to compare Tressels discipline to Stacys.

[CarlE]

Cussing NEVER won a football game, period.

It never lost one either. Period. Obviously it's irrelevant and other factors determine wins and losses.

[man2man]

What a lot of you guys fail to realize (and I do too) is that its different now. It really is. Kids are different, parents are different, the whole mindset is different. I had many "drill seargant" types of coaches (and then had real drill seargants in the service). They would get fired many places now.

CarlE- you claim to be some kind of business man. How much of your job is consumed by avoiding lawsuits and litigation?

Think how differently police officers have to act now than 30-40 years ago.

Its the same with coaching. Sad but true.

[massillon catholic]

It never lost one either. Period. Obviously it's irrelevant and other factors determine wins and losses.

When a head coach is worried about his asst coaches cussing than he isn't letting his coaches be themselves and coach like they know how to coach. Some do it, some dont'. It shouldnt have even be an issue.

[LLRose]

It never lost one either. Period. Obviously it's irrelevant and other factors determine wins and losses.

Cussing is MC garbage, way to much is being said about this.

MC said Wakefield wouldn't or couldn't coach here b/c of cussing. Massillon doesn't need Wakefield, come on.

NON ISSUE fabricated in the mind of a coach hater

[ChronicTiger]

When a head coach is worried about his asst coaches cussing than he isn't letting his coaches be themselves and coach like they know how to coach. Some do it, some dont'. It shouldnt have even be an issue.

yea...we need more teachers to cuss in the classroom also.......

:cylon:

[section3]

if the coaches had to run tiger reminders this year every time they cussed, practice would have run late into the night. maybe thats why shep had to turn the lights on for practice.

[9293tiger]

When will we learn that as long as the coaching staff/ head coach does'nt have a "PASSION" for tiger football and the traditions that come with the job, we'll keep getting new ones every 4 to 5 years. They use this platform to further their careers. There has'nt been one system in tacked for more than 5 years. How can the younger athletes know what their doing if it changes all the time. If, and I say IF, Mcdaniels comes here they better sign him for 10 or more years. GO TIGERS!!!!!!!

[CarlE]

When will we learn that as long as the coaching staff/ head coach does'nt have a "PASSION" for tiger football and the traditions that come with the job, we'll keep getting new ones every 4 to 5 years. They use this platform to further their careers. There has'nt been one system in tacked for more than 5 years. How can the younger athletes know what their doing if it changes all the time. If, and I say IF, Mcdaniels comes here they better sign him for 10 or more years. GO TIGERS!!!!!!!

I'm going to give Coach Stacy credit here. He NEVER avoided the fact that he was here for the short-term. Said it before he was hired, said it after he was hired. Having said that, we need to really re-position this whole philosophy about long-term coaches. I'm all for it, believe me. We just have to make sure THEY are BEFORE we hire them. Make sense?

[CATS44]

The problem isnt the coaches not wanting to be here long term. The problem is the folks behind the scene who dont want a coach here long term, because a coach who is here long term gathers too much power and can ignore the meddlers.

We have had at least two coaches who wished to be here long term. They are the only ones who worked at building a program from the midgets up.

The meddlers made sure that didnt happen. But they learned their lesson and made sure that the coach they hired this time didnt want to stay long term.

We could easily find a very good coach who wanted to stay here long term IF we publicly changed our collective attitude.

Notice that the programs that consistently compete for a state title and have the highest success rates dont have short term coaches.

[TigerCoach]

The problem isnt the coaches not wanting to be here long term. The problem is the folks behind the scene who dont want a coach here long term, because a coach who is here long term gathers too much power and can ignore the meddlers.

We have had at least two coaches who wished to be here long term. They are the only ones who worked at building a program from the midgets up.

The meddlers made sure that didnt happen. But they learned their lesson and made sure that the coach they hired this time didnt want to stay long term.

We could easily find a very good coach who wanted to stay here long term IF we publicly changed our collective attitude.

Notice that the programs that consistently compete for a state title and have the highest success rates dont have short term coaches.

I couldn't have said it better myself. :thanx:

[SuperBran]

The problem isnt the coaches not wanting to be here long term. The problem is the folks behind the scene who dont want a coach here long term, because a coach who is here long term gathers too much power and can ignore the meddlers.

We have had at least two coaches who wished to be here long term. They are the only ones who worked at building a program from the midgets up.

The meddlers made sure that didnt happen. But they learned their lesson and made sure that the coach they hired this time didnt want to stay long term.

We could easily find a very good coach who wanted to stay here long term IF we publicly changed our collective attitude.

Notice that the programs that consistently compete for a state title and have the highest success rates dont have short term coaches.

wow, great post. i agree completely. unfortunately i don't see us hiring a long-time coach anytime soon. people will either drive him out or he'll move on.