Jena 6 present BET award

[austinsm11]

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071019/NEWS01/710190316/1002

Two of the teens enmeshed in the nationally known "Jena Six" case helped present the most anticipated award during Black Entertainment Television's Hip Hop Awards show broadcast Thursday night.

Carwin Jones and Bryant Purvis were introduced by Katt Williams, a comedian and the awards show's host, as two of the students involved in a case of "systematic racism."


"By no means are we condoning a six-on-one beat-down," Williams said during his introduction of the teens, one of whom is still facing attempted murder charges in connection with the attack on white student Justin Barker. "... But the injustice perpetrated on these young men is straight criminal."

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071019/NEWS01/710190316/1002

Two of the teens enmeshed in the nationally known "Jena Six" case helped present the most anticipated award during Black Entertainment Television's Hip Hop Awards show broadcast Thursday night.

Carwin Jones and Bryant Purvis were introduced by Katt Williams, a comedian and the awards show's host, as two of the students involved in a case of "systematic racism."


"By no means are we condoning a six-on-one beat-down," Williams said during his introduction of the teens, one of whom is still facing attempted murder charges in connection with the attack on white student Justin Barker. "... But the injustice perpetrated on these young men is straight criminal."

no comment on this bs. this just shows our country is going down the tubes

[American Eagle]

Lets reward criminals by bring them to awards shows! Real good example this shows punks like the jena 6! I'm surprised O.J. want there with them for support! Next micheal Vick will judge a dog show!

[monte81]

Here we go again! Certain members of the Massilon community are so caught up in 1950's-60's standards and upbringing that you cant help what flows out of your mouths sometimes. So its cool for a town to completely feel they are superior because they are white----some of us working class blacks are really tired of the comments! We can talk about Ron Spectra acquited for murder, brittney spears and her stupid baby antics, or Kid Rock and crew jumping on some people at the waffle house! Even my CDR. of my company resigning for gross sexual imposition----- every race commits stupid crimes and does stupid stuff! Are you forgetting the people involved were teenagers. We had a racial riot of a sort when I was in 7th grade in downtown Massillon in the 80's----the fight never made the newspaper!

The beatdown--- REALLY!! no injuries as reported on CNN the white student was at a birthday party the same night! the accounts of the justice system and continued and repeated racism in that LA city is an complete outrage!

What does Michael Vick and OJ have to do with it! Numerous white, hispanic, Asian, and blacks are arrested everyday! Do you know that 97% of seriel killers are white and in the 30's? Please stop stereotyping an awards show for supporting its people. BET is owned by a white company BTW!!!

[Mass6]

Here we go again! Certain members of the Massilon community are so caught up in 1950's-60's standards and upbringing that you cant help what flows out of your mouths sometimes. So its cool for a town to completely feel they are superior because they are white----some of us working class blacks are really tired of the comments! We can talk about Ron Spectra acquited for murder, brittney spears and her stupid baby antics, or Kid Rock and crew jumping on some people at the waffle house! Even my CDR. of my company resigning for gross sexual imposition----- every race commits stupid crimes and does stupid stuff! Are you forgetting the people involved were teenagers. We had a racial riot of a sort when I was in 7th grade in downtown Massillon in the 80's----the fight never made the newspaper!

The beatdown--- REALLY!! no injuries as reported on CNN the white student was at a birthday party the same night! the accounts of the justice system and continued and repeated racism in that LA city is an complete outrage!

What does Michael Vick and OJ have to do with it! Numerous white, hispanic, Asian, and blacks are arrested everyday! Do you know that 97% of seriel killers are white and in the 30's? Please stop stereotyping an awards show for supporting its people. BET is owned by a white company BTW!!!

While I agree with a majority of what you say, I find it hard to accept the fact that these kids are 2 of 6 fighting 1 kid, yet are brought on an awards show??? 6 on 1, come on I don't care what color you are that is wrong and these kids shouldn't have been basically crucified by the media, but they also shouldn't be glorified on these awards shows. Just my opinion. And one other thing:

BEAT McKINLEY!!!!!!!

[American Eagle]

Here we go again! Certain members of the Massilon community are so caught up in 1950's-60's standards and upbringing that you cant help what flows out of your mouths sometimes. So its cool for a town to completely feel they are superior because they are white----some of us working class blacks are really tired of the comments! We can talk about Ron Spectra acquited for murder, brittney spears and her stupid baby antics, or Kid Rock and crew jumping on some people at the waffle house! Even my CDR. of my company resigning for gross sexual imposition----- every race commits stupid crimes and does stupid stuff! Are you forgetting the people involved were teenagers. We had a racial riot of a sort when I was in 7th grade in downtown Massillon in the 80's----the fight never made the newspaper!

The beatdown--- REALLY!! no injuries as reported on CNN the white student was at a birthday party the same night! the accounts of the justice system and continued and repeated racism in that LA city is an complete outrage!

What does Michael Vick and OJ have to do with it! Numerous white, hispanic, Asian, and blacks are arrested everyday! Do you know that 97% of seriel killers are white and in the 30's? Please stop stereotyping an awards show for supporting its people. BET is owned by a white company BTW!!!

Monte, I'm a brotha, so no racism here, playa! JUst wanted to make a point! You shouldnt be asked to an awards show for commiting a crime!

[SternRulz]

While I agree with a majority of what you say, I find it hard to accept the fact that these kids are 2 of 6 fighting 1 kid, yet are brought on an awards show??? 6 on 1, come on I don't care what color you are that is wrong and these kids shouldn't have been basically crucified by the media, but they also shouldn't be glorified on these awards shows. Just my opinion. And one other thing:

BEAT McKINLEY!!!!!!!

They're not being glorified for what they did at all. They were there to help shed light on a problem that people wish would stay in the dark. There is a difference...one that some of you obviously don't understand or choose not to see.

[Mass6]

They're not being glorified for what they did at all. They were there to help shed light on a problem that people wish would stay in the dark. There is a difference...one that some of you obviously don't understand or choose not to see.

What you say sounds good, but doesn't make sense. "Shed light on a problem that people wish would stay in the dark." That makes no sense, so before you start telling me I don't understand something, read what I said. The host said the same thing I did about not condoning a 6 on 1 beatdown, and I even said they were crucified by the media, so don't call me out on not understanding something.

[SternRulz]

What you say sounds good, but doesn't make sense. "Shed light on a problem that people wish would stay in the dark." That makes no sense, so before you start telling me I don't understand something, read what I said. The host said the same thing I did about not condoning a 6 on 1 beatdown, and I even said they were crucified by the media, so don't call me out on not understanding something.

Huh? How can that not make sense to you?

The reason the host said that they're not condoning what they did was so people like some on this thread wouldn't say "geez, I can't believe they're glorifying them for beating someone up". They were trying to make it clear that that was not the reason they were there. Guess that got past a few.

[Mass6]

Huh? How can that not make sense to you?

The reason the host said that they're not condoning what they did was so people like some on this thread wouldn't say "geez, I can't believe they're glorifying them for beating someone up". They were trying to make it clear that that was not the reason they were there. Guess that got past a few.

No, I understood what you said, but you say they are trying to shed light, on something they want to keep in the dark. Say it a couple of times.

[CarlE]

They're not being glorified for what they did at all. They were there to help shed light on a problem that people wish would stay in the dark. There is a difference...one that some of you obviously don't understand or choose not to see.

What problem is that? That six kids shouldn't be jumping on one innocent one? Is THAT the problem you are talking about?

I didn't think so.

[Mass6]

What problem is that? That six kids shouldn't be jumping on one innocent one? Is THAT the problem you are talking about?

I didn't think so.

Better watch CarlE, he'll consider you one of us who don't understand!!!!

[SternRulz]

No, I understood what you said, but you say they are trying to shed light, on something they want to keep in the dark. Say it a couple of times.

I said they (BET) are trying to shed light on something (the inequalities of justice) that some people (those that don't understand or care that there are inequalities in justice) choose to keep in the dark, not that BET is trying to shed light on something BET wants kept in the dark.

:doh:

[SternRulz]

Better watch CarlE, he'll consider you one of us who don't understand!!!!

Dude, you misread my post.

[Mass6]

I said they (BET) are trying to shed light on something (the inequalities of justice) that some people (those that don't understand or care that there are inequalities in justice) choose to keep in the dark, not that BET is trying to shed light on something BET wants kept in the dark.

:doh:

So you work for BET and that is what they told you in your meeting????:poke:

[SternRulz]

What problem is that? That six kids shouldn't be jumping on one innocent one? Is THAT the problem you are talking about?

I didn't think so.

No, that isn't. You're pretty bright.

[SternRulz]

So you work for BET and that is what they told you in your meeting????:poke:

Yes. That's right.

:ohplease:

[SuperBran]

So its cool for a town to completely feel they are superior because they are white

what makes you think that the whole town feels that way? THAT is stereotyping.

every race commits stupid crimes and does stupid stuff!

but how many of these criminals are asked to present awards afterwards? wouldn't you have been outraged if mtv asked the cops who beat rodney king to give out an award? i would have.

Are you forgetting the people involved were teenagers.

so that makes it right? well, let's go tell the people in cleveland that we should forget about that second grader drawing a gun b/c he's so young.

The beatdown--- REALLY!! no injuries as reported on CNN the white student was at a birthday party the same night!

they hit the kid in the head, knocked him out, then kicked and stomped him while he lay there. he spent approximately three hours in the ER for treatment. he sustained a concussion and his eye was swollen shut. he also had injuries to his face, ears and hand. although he attended a ring ceremony later that night he did so because he had waited 11 years to go to it and wasn't going to let the incident get in his way. he later left early due to pain.

the kid testified that he suffered a loss of vision in one eye for three weeks. he also suffered recurring headaches and forgetfulness.

does that sound innocent to you?


Numerous white, hispanic, Asian, and blacks are arrested everyday!

and how many are on award shows afterwards?

Please stop stereotyping an awards show for supporting its people. BET is owned by a white company BTW!!!

no one's bashing BET for supporting its people. they're bashing BET for supporting the wrong types of people.

if the situation was reversed and 6 white kids were the ones beating a black kid, you better believe that there would be outrage if those white kids were giving out awards. sharpton would have had a coronary.

the BET issue is not a white-black issue, it's a decency issue.

[Mass6]

Yes. That's right.

:ohplease:

Oh Ok, just wanted to clear that up. :rolleyes:

[CarlE]

No, that isn't. You're pretty bright.

I notice you are also good at sweeping things under the rug that don't agree with your liberal bias.

[SternRulz]

what makes you think that the whole town feels that way? THAT is stereotyping.



but how many of these criminals are asked to present awards afterwards? wouldn't you have been outraged if mtv asked the cops who beat rodney king to give out an award? i would have.



so that makes it right? well, let's go tell the people in cleveland that we should forget about that second grader drawing a gun b/c he's so young.



they hit the kid in the head, knocked him out, then kicked and stomped him while he lay there. he spent approximately three hours in the ER for treatment. he sustained a concussion and his eye was swollen shut. he also had injuries to his face, ears and hand. although he attended a ring ceremony later that night he did so because he had waited 11 years to go to it and wasn't going to let the incident get in his way. he later left early due to pain.

the kid testified that he suffered a loss of vision in one eye for three weeks. he also suffered recurring headaches and forgetfulness.

does that sound innocent to you?




and how many are on award shows afterwards?



no one's bashing BET for supporting its people. they're bashing BET for supporting the wrong types of people.

if the situation was reversed and 6 white kids were the ones beating a black kid, you better believe that there would be outrage if those white kids were giving out awards. sharpton would have had a coronary.

Not one single person said that what they did was okay or that they didn't deserve punishment. The concern is that the charge/punishment is appropriate. Attempted murder is not appropriate charge.

[SternRulz]

I notice you are also good at sweeping things under the rug that don't agree with your liberal bias.


No I just don't waste time with lenghty responses to ignorant posts.

[SternRulz]

I notice you are also good at sweeping things under the rug that don't agree with your liberal bias.

I am sad to know that you think equality for all men is considered liberal, though.

[Mass6]

When 6 kids beat on 1, serious charges need to be filed. If one person can kill another in a fight, imagine what 6 can do. REGARDLESS OF COLOR!

[CarlE]

No I just don't waste time with lenghty responses to ignorant posts.

Ignorant because you don't agree. Get real, and PLEASE get mature. Your terse responses just roll off my back.

I'm too busy dodging fires in Newport Beach to deal with your idiocy anyway. Guys have at this stupid b**ch.

[SternRulz]

When 6 kids beat on 1, serious charges need to be filed. If one person can kill another in a fight, imagine what 6 can do. REGARDLESS OF COLOR!

Absolutely true.

However, you would think a kid that got a severe beatdown of that magnitude would be in the hospital or something, right? Not out with his friends attending a school function that very same night, hours after murder was attempted on him.

[SternRulz]

Ignorant because you don't agree. Get real, and PLEASE get mature. Your terse responses just roll off my back.

I'm too busy dodging fires in Newport Beach to deal with your idiocy anyway. Guys have at this stupid b**ch.

Ouch. The truth does hurt, doesn't it?

[Mass6]

Absolutely true.

However, you would think a kid that got a severe beatdown of that magnitude would be in the hospital or something, right? Not out with his friends attending a school function that very same night, hours after murder was attempted on him.

He was in the ER for 3 hours. Read SuperBran's response will ya.

[SuperBran]

Not one single person said that what they did was okay or that they didn't deserve punishment.

what message is BET sending when they have these kids presenting an award like they're rock stars?

The concern is that the charge/punishment is appropriate. Attempted murder is not appropriate charge.

the charges were reduced.

[SternRulz]

He was in the ER for 3 hours. Read SuperBran's response will ya.

I'm not sure if you've ever been in the ER, but 3 hours is an extremely short period of time. I was in for 6 hours for something somewhat minor.

[SternRulz]

what message is BET sending when they have these kids presenting an award like they're rock stars?



the charges were reduced.

The charges were reduced, but if there wasn't an outcry, you can bet that they wouldn't have been. I've already answered your first question in a previous post or 2, but I'll add that if situations like this don't stay in the forefront, if they get pushed aside, it will happen again. That's what they're trying to prevent.

I don't think it's too much to expect that all involved be charged appropriately.

[SternRulz]

I will also add that the Jena 6 are a hot topic that generate interest and viewers, so $$ probably played a part as well. Much the same as having Britney Spears open for the MTV awards. BET is no different than any other profit-making machine.

[monte81]

what makes you think that the whole town feels that way? THAT is stereotyping.


but how many of these criminals are asked to present awards afterwards? wouldn't you have been outraged if mtv asked the cops who beat rodney king to give out an award? i would have.



so that makes it right? well, let's go tell the people in cleveland that we should forget about that second grader drawing a gun b/c he's so young.




they hit the kid in the head, knocked him out, then kicked and stomped him while he lay there. he spent approximately three hours in the ER for treatment. he sustained a concussion and his eye was swollen shut. he also had injuries to his face, ears and hand. although he attended a ring ceremony later that night he did so because he had waited 11 years to go to it and wasn't going to let the incident get in his way. he later left early due to pain.

the kid testified that he suffered a loss of vision in one eye for three weeks. he also suffered recurring headaches and forgetfulness.

does that sound innocent to you?



and how many are on award shows afterwards?



no one's bashing BET for supporting its people. they're bashing BET for supporting the wrong types of people.

if the situation was reversed and 6 white kids were the ones beating a black kid, you better believe that there would be outrage if those white kids were giving out awards. sharpton would have had a coronary.

the BET issue is not a white-black issue, it's a decency issue.
Because of the justice system and the misjustices that have been reported in the town for almost a century.

1.It happens all the time but swept under the rug.
2.No they just let them stay on the payroll for years and acquitted them of the charges!Shooting is the same as fighting now!
3. I dont condone either but its a differance.
4.Never said anyone was innocent either was the victim. The punishment should fit the crime and race should not be a factor.
5.The kids were there to send a message that they were wrong, the town is still racist, and they will keep fighting! When are whites going to stop thinking the US revolves around them in some parts of this Nation? If you want peace give justice---we are tired of the inequality across the board! In school, work, sports, media, etc,.... Oh I forgot---It's a white mans world"!
You glorify Elvis, Babe Ruth, John Wayne, etc,... who were known racist--thats a slap in the face EVERYDAY!!! BET was promoting PEACE and NON RACISM not VIOLENCE!!

[SternRulz]

Because of the justice system and the misjustices that have been reported in the town for almost a century.

1.It happens all the time but swept under the rug.
2.No they just let them stay on the payroll for years and acquitted them of the charges!Shooting is the same as fighting now!
3. I dont condone either but its a differance.
4.Never said anyone was innocent either was the victim. The punishment should fit the crime and race should not be a factor.
5.The kids were there to send a message that they were wrong, the town is still racist, and they will keep fighting! When are whites going to stop thinking the US revolves around them in some parts of this Nation? If you want peace give justice---we are tired of the inequality across the board! In school, work, sports, media, etc,.... Oh I forgot---It's a white mans world"!
You glorify Elvis, Babe Ruth, John Wayne, etc,... who were known racist--thats a slap in the face EVERYDAY!!! BET was promoting PEACE and NON RACISM not VIOLENCE!!

Elvis a racist??? Not a chance! I do agree with what you're saying though.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/11/opinion/11guralnick.html

[Mass6]

Wow, this thread just went off the deep end, I'm done on this one!!!

BEAT McKinley!!!!!

[SuperBran]

Much the same as having Britney Spears open for the MTV awards.

are you kidding me? there's definitely a difference. britney spears didn't have CRIMINAL charges brought against her for viciously beating somone. spears didn't face or wasn't facing criminal charges. bad parent? of course; however there's a big difference. she's an entertainer who was invited on b/c of her new album. at the time she still had custody of her kids. these kids are only famous for that beating. to have them give out an award was ridiculous.

the kkk and skinheads have gained a lot of attention over the years.....why don't we have them hand out 'best picture' at the oscars, b/c that would be just as smart.

[monte81]

Elvis a racist??? Not a chance! I do agree with what you're saying though.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/11/opinion/11guralnick.html

It's true because i saw old video of him saying "all a black man could do is shine his shoes"!

[monte81]

are you kidding me? there's definitely a difference. britney spears didn't have CRIMINAL charges brought against her for viciously beating somone. spears didn't face or wasn't facing criminal charges. bad parent? of course; however there's a big difference. she's an entertainer who was invited on b/c of her new album. at the time she still had custody of her kids. these kids are only famous for that beating. to have them give out an award was ridiculous.

the kkk and skinheads have gained a lot of attention over the years.....why don't we have them hand out 'best picture' at the oscars, b/c that would be just as smart.

They might as well where white suits at the Oscars or grammys because the voters of the awards are racist! it took 100plus years for a black to win major categories-----ie Denzel Washington and Hally Berry! You tell me no one was worthy until then? FUNNY!!!

[SternRulz]

are you kidding me? there's definitely a difference. britney spears didn't have CRIMINAL charges brought against her for viciously beating somone. spears didn't face or wasn't facing criminal charges. bad parent? of course; however there's a big difference. she's an entertainer who was invited on b/c of her new album. at the time she still had custody of her kids. these kids are only famous for that beating. to have them give out an award was ridiculous.

the kkk and skinheads have gained a lot of attention over the years.....why don't we have them hand out 'best picture' at the oscars, b/c that would be just as smart.

I was speaking specifically of using someone as a cash generating machine, not making a comparison between Spears & the Jena 6. Please read my post again.
:doh:

[SternRulz]

It's true because i saw old video of him saying "all a black man could do is shine his shoes"!

I'd like to see that. Is it on youtube or anything?

This NY Times article says he was never even on that show where he supposedly said that.

I would actually find that surprising.

[SternRulz]

They might as well where white suits at the Oscars or grammys because the voters of the awards are racist! it took 100plus years for a black to win major categories-----ie Denzel Washington and Hally Berry! You tell me no one was worthy until then? FUNNY!!!

Ssshhhh...nobody mention Mel Gibson!!!

[monte81]

I'd like to see that. Is it on youtube or anything?

This NY Times article says he was never even on that show where he supposedly said that.

I would actually find that surprising.


it was a black/white years ago before youtube and internet!!LOL

[SuperBran]

Because of the justice system and the misjustices that have been reported in the town for almost a century.

so that means you can generalize to everyone?

let's see, according to the u.s. bureau of justice, at year end in 2005 there were 3,145 black male sentenced prison inmates per 100,000 black males in the United States, 471 white male inmates per 100,000 white males.

is it okay to generalize and say that black males are less law-abiding than white males?

1.It happens all the time but swept under the rug.

and you know this how? more generalizations?

2.No they just let them stay on the payroll for years and acquitted them of the charges!Shooting is the same as fighting now!

there's a difference between being acquitted in a court of law and being asked to present awards on national TV like you're some sort of hero.

3. I dont condone either but its a differance.

so these cowards gang up on someone and beat him while he's unconscious and we should be a little more understanding b/c they're teenagers? how friggin' ridiculous is that? if these kids are old enough to viciously attack someone, they're old enough to pay the price.

The punishment should fit the crime and race should not be a factor.

so what should the punishment be?

The kids were there to send a message that they were wrong

yes, b/c nothing says "i'm sorry" like presenting "video of the year." so please enlighten us as to what they did so send a message they were wrong.

when they were introduced the moronic host said "they don't look so tough, do they?".................that's because there were only two of them.

BET even told one of the mothers that they were invited to come to the awards show "to get away for a relaxing weekend." yep, looks like BET wanted to send a message as well.

the town is still racist, and they will keep fighting!

again, more generalizations. hope they DON'T keep fighting or they'll be vacationing in prison.

When are whites going to stop thinking the US revolves around them in some parts of this Nation?

your words betray your ignorance, and your generalizations are ridiculous.

If you want peace give justice---we are tired of the inequality across the board! In school, work, sports, media, etc,.... Oh I forgot---It's a white mans world"!

so if they based everything on merit you'd have no problem if things weren't equal? people say they want equality, but that's not entirely true. would you support a decision to make it mandatory to have at least 2 starting white people on every nba team? things in life just are not always going to be equal, and that's not due to racism.

You glorify Elvis, Babe Ruth, John Wayne, etc,... who were known racist--thats a slap in the face EVERYDAY!!! BET was promoting PEACE and NON RACISM not VIOLENCE!!

and how many glorified black entertainers are out there who rap about cop killing, rape, etc. don't be so naiive to think that there aren't glorified black entertainers/sports figures who aren't racist as well. are you proud of that? oh, but it's the white people who are the only bad people out there.

[SuperBran]

I was speaking specifically of using someone as a cash generating machine, not making a comparison between Spears & the Jena 6. Please read my post again.
:doh:

okay, so BET is using criminals to make money. it gets back to my point that BET has no class.

[SuperBran]

They might as well where white suits at the Oscars or grammys because the voters of the awards are racist! it took 100plus years for a black to win major categories-----ie Denzel Washington and Hally Berry! You tell me no one was worthy until then? FUNNY!!!

oh that's right....when a black man or woman doesn't get something it's automatically because of racism. why don't you tell me the black actors/actresses who were snubbed.

how retarded is that argument.........."well, black people have one academy awards, but the system is racially motivated b/c they haven't won the TOP awards."

black academy award winners:
Hattie McDaniel, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Gone With the Wind (1939).
James Baskett, Honorary Award "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world in Walt Disney's Song of the South" (1946). [awarded at the 1948 Academy Awards Ceremony]
Sidney Poitier, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Lilies of the Field (1963).
Isaac Hayes, Best Music, Original Song for "Theme from Shaft" from Shaft (1971).
Louis Gossett, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for An Officer and a Gentleman (1982).
Irene Cara, Best Music, Original Song for "Flashdance...What a Feeling" from Flashdance (1983).
Prince, Best Music, Original Song Score for Purple Rain (1984).
Stevie Wonder, Best Music, Original Song for "I Just Called to Say I Loved You" from The Woman in Red (1984).
Lionel Richie, Best Music, Original Song for "Say You, Say Me" from White Nights (1985).
Herbie Hancock, Best Music, Original Score for 'Round Midnight (1986).
Willie D. Burton, Best Sound for Bird (1988) [shared with Les Fresholtz, Rick Alexander, and Vern Poore].
Denzel Washington, Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Glory (1989).
Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Glory (1989) [shared with Donald O. Mitchell, Gregg Rudloff, and Elliot Tyson].
Whoopi Goldberg, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Ghost (1990).
Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Dances With Wolves (1990) [shared with Jeffrey Perkins, Bill W. Benton, and Gregory H. Watkins].
Quincy Jones, 1995 Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award.
Cuba Gooding, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Jerry Maguire (1996).
Halle Berry, Best Actress in a Leading Role for Monster's Ball (2001).
Denzel Washington, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Training Day (2001).
Sidney Poitier, Honorary Lifetime Achievement Award "for his extraordinary performances and unique presence on the screen and for representing the industry with dignity, style and intelligence." [awarded at the 2002 Academy Awards Ceremony]
Jamie Foxx, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Ray (2004).
Morgan Freeman, Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Million Dollar Baby (2004)
Jordan Houston, Cedric Coleman, and Paul Beauregard [aka Three 6 Mafia], Best Music, Original Song for "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" from Hustle & Flow (2005).
Forest Whitaker, Best Actor in a Leading Role for The Last King of Scotland (2006).
Jennifer Hudson, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Dreamgirls (2006).
Willie D. Burton, Best Achievement in Sound Mixing for Dreamgirls (2006) [shared with Michael Minkler and Bob Beemer].

those darn racists!

[SternRulz]

Didn't want to quote your whole post SuperBran, but just a comment...racism absolutley goes both ways. No doubt about it. Anyone that thinks it doesn't is a fool.

That being said, one race does have clear advantages, and anyone who denies this is a bigger fool.

We cannot fix what we refuse to see as broken.

[SternRulz]

okay, so BET is using criminals to make money. it gets back to my point that BET has no class.

Some would say the same of MTV for using Britney for money. In fact, many did.

Big business is big business. I didn't say that was the main motivation for having them...just that it may have been a factor.

[SuperBran]

Some would say the same of MTV for using Britney for money. In fact, many did.

no one will deny that mtv did it for the publicity and money. however, spears wasn't facing CRIMINAL charges for attacking someone.

[SternRulz]

no one will deny that mtv did it for the publicity and money. however, spears wasn't facing CRIMINAL charges for attacking someone.


Well, one could argue that BET actually had a valid cause to defend and bring to light regardless of charges, while MTV's sole purpose was greed.

[monte81]

Superbran,

You think blacks want a handout or a free pass---HELL NO! However we want fair treatment across the board in whatever state we reside!

Ignorance----I didn't mean keep fighting as in fist to your brain but fighting for equality! If the jena 6 would have been given probation or a few months in DYS that would of been fair but in La they want life in prison or crazy systems. Like I said the punishment should fit the crime not turned into another misguided attempt to ruin some lives!

Blacks make up more population of prisons because of lawyers! Just like you guys are mad because OJ walked but he had the money for the lawyers.
White man gets caught with 1oz. of cocaine he gets 6 months, black man gets caught with 1oz. of crack he gets 3 years! Whats the differance?

[SuperBran]

Well, one could argue that BET actually had a valid cause to defend and bring to light regardless of charges, while MTV's sole purpose was greed.

BET could defend them w/o bringing them on an awards show.

and the fact that they would want to defend these cowardly losers is ridiculous.

[SuperBran]

Blacks make up more population of prisons because of lawyers!

now i've heard it all.

there's always an excuse.

if a black man doesn't get a job = racism (regardless of lack of skill)
if a black actor doesn' win an award = racism
if a black student doesn't score high on a test = racism.

[Mass6]

Superbran,

You think blacks want a handout or a free pass---HELL NO! However we want fair treatment across the board in whatever state we reside!

Ignorance----I didn't mean keep fighting as in fist to your brain but fighting for equality! If the jena 6 would have been given probation or a few months in DYS that would of been fair but in La they want life in prison or crazy systems. Like I said the punishment should fit the crime not turned into another misguided attempt to ruin some lives!

Blacks make up more population of prisons because of lawyers! Just like you guys are mad because OJ walked but he had the money for the lawyers.
White man gets caught with 1oz. of cocaine he gets 6 months, black man gets caught with 1oz. of crack he gets 3 years! Whats the differance?


Sorry but this quote is absurd. If you need a lawyer then you did the crime, and you are in prison, nothing to do with lawyers. This was about BET and Jena 6, not black vs white so keep it on topic!!!

[monte81]

oh that's right....when a black man or woman doesn't get something it's automatically because of racism. why don't you tell me the black actors/actresses who were snubbed.

how retarded is that argument.........."well, black people have one academy awards, but the system is racially motivated b/c they haven't won the TOP awards."

black academy award winners:
Hattie McDaniel, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Gone With the Wind (1939).
James Baskett, Honorary Award "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world in Walt Disney's Song of the South" (1946). [awarded at the 1948 Academy Awards Ceremony]
Sidney Poitier, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Lilies of the Field (1963).
Isaac Hayes, Best Music, Original Song for "Theme from Shaft" from Shaft (1971).
Louis Gossett, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for An Officer and a Gentleman (1982).
Irene Cara, Best Music, Original Song for "Flashdance...What a Feeling" from Flashdance (1983).
Prince, Best Music, Original Song Score for Purple Rain (1984).
Stevie Wonder, Best Music, Original Song for "I Just Called to Say I Loved You" from The Woman in Red (1984).
Lionel Richie, Best Music, Original Song for "Say You, Say Me" from White Nights (1985).
Herbie Hancock, Best Music, Original Score for 'Round Midnight (1986).
Willie D. Burton, Best Sound for Bird (1988) [shared with Les Fresholtz, Rick Alexander, and Vern Poore].
Denzel Washington, Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Glory (1989).
Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Glory (1989) [shared with Donald O. Mitchell, Gregg Rudloff, and Elliot Tyson].
Whoopi Goldberg, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Ghost (1990).
Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Dances With Wolves (1990) [shared with Jeffrey Perkins, Bill W. Benton, and Gregory H. Watkins].
Quincy Jones, 1995 Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award.
Cuba Gooding, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Jerry Maguire (1996).
Halle Berry, Best Actress in a Leading Role for Monster's Ball (2001).
Denzel Washington, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Training Day (2001).
Sidney Poitier, Honorary Lifetime Achievement Award "for his extraordinary performances and unique presence on the screen and for representing the industry with dignity, style and intelligence." [awarded at the 2002 Academy Awards Ceremony]
Jamie Foxx, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Ray (2004).
Morgan Freeman, Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Million Dollar Baby (2004)
Jordan Houston, Cedric Coleman, and Paul Beauregard [aka Three 6 Mafia], Best Music, Original Song for "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp" from Hustle & Flow (2005).
Forest Whitaker, Best Actor in a Leading Role for The Last King of Scotland (2006).
Jennifer Hudson, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Dreamgirls (2006).
Willie D. Burton, Best Achievement in Sound Mixing for Dreamgirls (2006) [shared with Michael Minkler and Bob Beemer].

those darn racists!


Funny Stuff! You missed the point---NONE OF THEM WON leading ACTOR OR ACTRESS!!!! 2 wins in how many years??? Sorry that defense you keep trying is pathetic IMO! The U.S. is and always will be racist towards blacks in some things even in the movie awards!!! hally had to take all g=her clothes off her to win and Denzel had to play a thug cop in L.A.---the biggest racist police force in the Country!

[SternRulz]

BET could defend them w/o bringing them on an awards show.

and the fact that they would want to defend these cowardly losers is ridiculous.

Again, they were not defending them in any way shape or form. That was even stated. However, that's your opinion.

It's a shame that people only see the crime that goes on the books and not the crime of inequalities of justice in this case. I would only hope that something similar would outrage people of all colors in the future, but...I'm guessing not.

[monte81]

Sorry but this quote is absurd. If you need a lawyer then you did the crime, and you are in prison, nothing to do with lawyers. This was about BET and Jena 6, not black vs white so keep it on topic!!!

jena 6 is about black and white. And everyone knows the better lawyer you can afford the better your acquital rate! OJ proved that for sure---he's guilty though in my book!

Jena 6 jumped a kid and should be punished--- the town should have culteral adversity training to prevent this again----LOL you cant change 400 years of hate passed down through generations sitting in a class which started the madness from the beginning!!!!!

[SuperBran]

Funny Stuff! You missed the point---NONE OF THEM WON leading ACTOR OR ACTRESS!!!! 2 wins in how many years???

if the academy was racist we wouldn't be seeing any black actors win any awards, let alone in the 30's.

Sorry that defense you keep trying is pathetic IMO!

AGAIN, name me an actor/actress who was screwed out of a win. it's easy to generalize (as you're good at doing), but it's another to back it up your argument with FACTS.

The U.S. is and always will be racist towards blacks in some things even in the movie awards!!!

yep, the entire u.s. is racist. all white people had slaves at one point. :wall:

since you like to generalize........statistics show that white kids perform better in the classroom. using your logic, would you say that white people are smarter? oh, let me guess..............racism!

i saw a girl at wendy's last week. she was talking to a friend and her friend asked if she went to school that day. the girl responded "no, i had some things to do. i'll be there tomorrow (wednesday), though.......or maybe on thursday." i guess it was the "man" who was keeping her from here studies.

[Mass6]

jena 6 is about black and white. And everyone knows the better lawyer you can afford the better your acquital rate! OJ proved that for sure---he's guilty though in my book!

Jena 6 jumped a kid and should be punished--- the town should have culteral adversity training to prevent this again----LOL you cant change 400 years of hate passed down through generations sitting in a class which started the madness from the beginning!!!!!

Yes Jena 6 is about black and white, but the topic is about BET having them present at their awards ceremony. The topic is if it was right to have them there presenting if they committed a crime. Not if it was black and white.

[SuperBran]

It's a shame that people only see the crime that goes on the books and not the crime of inequalities of justice in this case.

maybe it's because it's hard to look past the fact that there were six kids who brutally beat one kid while he lay unconscious. forgive me if i have no compassion.

you want to know that real injustice? that this could happen and a retarded tv network glorifies the criminals by having them give out a big award.

yet again, if the situation was reversed all hell would break loose.

[SuperBran]

jena 6 is about black and white. And everyone knows the better lawyer you can afford the better your acquital rate! OJ proved that for sure---he's guilty though in my book!

is it any coincidence that of the 12 jury members in the oj case, 8 were black and only 1 was white?

but i guess race had NOTHING to do with that.

[SuperBran]

Yes Jena 6 is about black and white, but the topic is about BET having them present at their awards ceremony. The topic is if it was right to have them there presenting if they committed a crime. Not if it was black and white.

exactly. we're not debating the case....we're debating BETs retarded move.

[monte81]

is it any coincidence that of the 12 jury members in the oj case, 8 were black and only 1 was white?

but i guess race had NOTHING to do with that.

The lawyers and prosecution picked the jury! Who's fault is that? it can be said that every jury in the US is tainted IMO becuase of lawyers jockeying for certain jurors. Victories are with money in America!!! NO MONEY--GUILTY, HAVE MONEY-----INNOCENT!!! Just a fact that we all live with in America everyday.

[SuperBran]

The lawyers and prosecution picked the jury! Who's fault is that? it can be said that every jury in the US is tainted IMO becuase of lawyers jockeying for certain jurors. Victories are with money in America!!! NO MONEY--GUILTY, HAVE MONEY-----INNOCENT!!! Just a fact that we all live with in America everyday.

the case was filed in downtown los angeles rather than santa monica, where the crime took place. this affected the racial composition of the jury. in santa monica the jury would have been all white. not the case in la. it was a mistake to file in la.

the attorneys picked the jury, but you can't dismiss someone based on color of their skin.

polls showed that most black people thought that oj was innocent. do you think that was due to familiarity with the case? most of america felt he was guilty. hmmmmmmmmmm, wonder why he wasn't found guilty.

[monte81]

if the academy was racist we wouldn't be seeing any black actors win any awards, let alone in the 30's.



AGAIN, name me an actor/actress who was screwed out of a win. it's easy to generalize (as you're good at doing), but it's another to back it up your argument with FACTS.



yep, the entire u.s. is racist. all white people had slaves at one point. :wall:

since you like to generalize........statistics show that white kids perform better in the classroom. using your logic, would you say that white people are smarter? oh, let me guess..............racism!

i saw a girl at wendy's last week. she was talking to a friend and her friend asked if she went to school that day. the girl responded "no, i had some things to do. i'll be there tomorrow (wednesday), though.......or maybe on thursday." i guess it was the "man" who was keeping her from here studies.

We never started on a level playing field and are still catching up! If you do not attend school black or white----that individual will suffer! If you average out 13% of blacks in America to 57% white on the average you should perform better however if you take the 100 top seniors in Ohio from each race you may see that the level of performance is about equal!

Screwed out of win--- Diana Ross, Sidney Poiter, etc,... stop it!!!! Denzel didn't even deserve to win for Training Day but they made up for the 5/6 times he got screwed!

Stuff aint fair--I know it, you know it, and everyone on here knows it! Racial differances will always be present but when people act out on that racism that is when the problems occur! NEVER STATED THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES WAS RACIST but some people are!!

[SuperBran]

If you average out 13% of blacks in America to 57% white on the average you should perform better

that makes absolutely no sense at all. your math is fuzzy. if black kids average lower scores on tests than white kids, it doesn't matter if you only make up 13% of the population. if college graduation rates are lower among black students, it's irrelevant that they only make up 13% of the population. it WOULD make sense if the argument was that there were MORE white kids performing better.

Stuff aint fair--I know it, you know it, and everyone on here knows it! Racial differances will always be present but when people act out on that racism that is when the problems occur!

is it fair when a black person with average grades and test scores is accepted before a white kid with incredible grades/scores? is it fair when a black girl is given a spot on a cheerleading team, for example, even though she wasn't nearly good enough to make the roster? is it fair that a black person is given a job over someone more qualified?

it goes both ways.

my mom once hired a white woman over a black woman b/c the white woman was way more qualified. the first thing out of the black woman's mouth was that my mom was a racist. at miami u a girl didn't make the cheerleading squad and claim racism.......even though the girl was horrible. the term "racism" gets thrown around too loosely nowadays. it's too bad some use it as a crutch.

[SternRulz]

maybe it's because it's hard to look past the fact that there were six kids who brutally beat one kid while he lay unconscious. forgive me if i have no compassion.

you want to know that real injustice? that this could happen and a retarded tv network glorifies the criminals by having them give out a big award.

yet again, if the situation was reversed all hell would break loose.

Funny...you apparently have no compassion regarding the events leading up to that..ie nooses, exchanges etc. I suppose black people should just look the other way, right?

This is what happens when you have a buildup of events and nobody steps in to try to squash it. The atmosphere there is clearly racist.

Why no compassion for the blacks that have to just deal with it? That is the real injustice, afterall.

And again...nobody is glorifying them. Maybe it will help if you move your lips when you read.

[Mass6]

Funny...you apparently have no compassion regarding the events leading up to that..ie nooses. I suppose black people should just look the other way. That's what happens when you have a buildup of events and nobody steps in to try to squash it. The atmosphere there is clearly racist. Why no compassion for the blacks that have to just deal with it? That is the real injustice, afterall.

And again...nobody is glorifying them. Maybe it will help if you move your lips when you read.

I ask you again, if they aren't glorifying them what were they doing??? If CNN, FOXNews, Al Sharpton and others haven't shed light on this subject then there will never be light on it.

[SternRulz]

that makes absolutely no sense at all. your math is fuzzy. if black kids average lower scores on tests than white kids, it doesn't matter if you only make up 13% of the population. if college graduation rates are lower among black students, it's irrelevant that they only make up 13% of the population. it WOULD make sense if the argument was that there were MORE white kids performing better.



is it fair when a black person with average grades and test scores is accepted before a white kid with incredible grades/scores? is it fair when a black girl is given a spot on a cheerleading team, for example, even though she wasn't nearly good enough to make the roster? is it fair that a black person is given a job over someone more qualified?

it goes both ways.

my mom once hired a white woman over a black woman b/c the white woman was way more qualified. the first thing out of the black woman's mouth was that my mom was a racist. at miami u a girl didn't make the cheerleading squad and claim racism.......even though the girl was horrible. the term "racism" gets thrown around too loosely nowadays. it's too bad some use it as a crutch.

I do agree with you that too many people scream racism for their benefit when there clearly is no racism involved. It's absolutely abused day after day. But what about the true cases of racism? You can't throw the baby out with the bath water. We all know racism exists.

And regarding the examples that you stated about the black cheerleader, the less qualified person etc., think about it...those regulations wouldn't be needed if racism didn't exist. We all know that white men make up the large majority of positions of power. To think that none of them are racist is just ignorance. Those laws/rules/regulations are needed.

[SternRulz]

I ask you again, if they aren't glorifying them what were they doing??? If CNN, FOXNews, Al Sharpton and others haven't shed light on this subject then there will never be light on it.

Um...not glorifying them?

You tell me...how would it look if the biggest race case since the Duke LAX case and BET makes no mention of it? Not a good move on BETs part, right?

Don't be silly. Of course BET is going to do their part to keep it in the spotlight. In case you didn't realize it, it's an issue very near and dear to their hearts :ohplease: What...just becasue CNN covered it, they can't? LOL??

[Mass6]

Um...not glorifying them?

You tell me...how would it look if the biggest race case since the Duke LAX case and BET makes no mention of it? Not a good move on BETs part, right?

Don't be silly. Of course BET is going to do their part to keep it in the spotlight. In case you didn't realize it, it's an issue very near and dear to their hearts :ohplease: What...just becasue CNN covered it, they can't? LOL??

Great point, so you're saying that the Acadamy Awards should have had the Duke LAX players give out awards right??? No because it is a touchy issue that shouldn't be taken lightly.

[austinsm11]

Blacks make up more population of prisons because of lawyers!



I nominate this for dumbest post of the year.

[austinsm11]

What I find somewhat strange is the fact that the nooses were put up on Sept. 1. Why not bring these racial issues of this town up at this time? Why wasn't the NAACP bringing this to light? Instead none of this makes major news until 6 black youth beat a kid pretty badly and are in trouble. Then we have the typical excuses.



The univited black youth barge into a party of both white and black (why would these racist students invite any blacks students) and a fight is started. The black students who were not invited and a white male were kicked out for fighting. The black students go and find more white students to fight. The next day the blacks confront another white student from the party and beat him up and take a gun from him.

If you don't think 6 on 1 is a major deal, you can ask a former student of mine who is on trial as an adult for murder. He and four friends beat up a homeless guy for a few bucks. The homeless guy fell, hit his head and died. The kid is lucky to be alive. One unlucky kick and he could have been dead.


I don't have a problem with BET bringing this to light. I have a problem with rewarding criminals. Why do these kids get to present an award? Why not just show a minute clip about what the felt was wrong?


Maybe the white kids that hung the noose are upset and need a break. Maybe they can present for some entertainment award. Maybe they could start a WET (white entertainment) station for these young men to present their side.

[austinsm11]

Seems kind of funny that people complain about an all white jury when blacks were randomly selected from the computer....they just didn't show up.

[SuperBran]

I do agree with you that too many people scream racism for their benefit when there clearly is no racism involved. It's absolutely abused day after day. But what about the true cases of racism? You can't throw the baby out with the bath water. We all know racism exists.

of course racism exists.....and of course racism is wrong; to make racism the default answer is asinine.

And regarding the examples that you stated about the black cheerleader, the less qualified person etc., think about it...those regulations wouldn't be needed if racism didn't exist.

it's a vicious circle. racism has caused this situation where some people who are less deserving are rewarded.........which then causes hard feelings b/c the people who are most deserving lose out b/c of the color (white) of their skin. it's quite odd when you think about it.

i don't think that giving a black person something that they don't deserve is going to change the minds of the world. everyone should earn what they receive. if they feel that they are being discriminated against then they have legal options.

i spoke with a friend of mine (who is black) about this situation. it disgusts him to see so many young black men and women expecting things without working hard for them. he hates seeing guys walk around with gold teeth, pants to their ankles, and speaking horrible english. he told me that he feels that in order for there to be a change they have to each person needs to work harder to start the ball rolling, and not sit around and wait for the world to change. you fight racism by proving people that their stereotypes are wrong. he begs kids to start working harder in the classroom and become ideal citizens. basically go out and make the world listen and don't sit around and expect everything.

To think that none of them are racist is just ignorance.

and to think that most or all of america is racist is ignorant as well.

[SuperBran]

Funny...you apparently have no compassion regarding the events leading up to that..ie nooses, exchanges etc. I suppose black people should just look the other way, right?

where have i said ANYTHING about the events leading up to the beating? only a fool would condone those acts. of course those acts are bad. does a kind deserve to be beaten by six people while he's unconscious for that? absolutely not.

this thread is about BET allowing these criminals to give out awards. if the kid who put up the noose was allowed to give out an award i'd be ripping that network as well.

This is what happens when you have a buildup of events and nobody steps in to try to squash it. The atmosphere there is clearly racist.

that still doesn't mean that these kids shouldn't be punished.........or that they should be allowed to present awards on BET.

Why no compassion for the blacks that have to just deal with it? That is the real injustice, afterall.

so it's okay for six people to brutally beat one guy up b/c of what he did? does THAT punishment fit the crime.

i have compassion for those black people who have to put up with that. however, what they did was too extreme. i have no compassion for people who take the law into their own hands. if the situation was reversed i'd feel the same way.

[SternRulz]

What I find somewhat strange is the fact that the nooses were put up on Sept. 1. Why not bring these racial issues of this town up at this time? Why wasn't the NAACP bringing this to light? Instead none of this makes major news until 6 black youth beat a kid pretty badly and are in trouble. Then we have the typical excuses.



The univited black youth barge into a party of both white and black (why would these racist students invite any blacks students) and a fight is started. The black students who were not invited and a white male were kicked out for fighting. The black students go and find more white students to fight. The next day the blacks confront another white student from the party and beat him up and take a gun from him.

If you don't think 6 on 1 is a major deal, you can ask a former student of mine who is on trial as an adult for murder. He and four friends beat up a homeless guy for a few bucks. The homeless guy fell, hit his head and died. The kid is lucky to be alive. One unlucky kick and he could have been dead.


I don't have a problem with BET bringing this to light. I have a problem with rewarding criminals. Why do these kids get to present an award? Why not just show a minute clip about what the felt was wrong?


Maybe the white kids that hung the noose are upset and need a break. Maybe they can present for some entertainment award. Maybe they could start a WET (white entertainment) station for these young men to present their side.


1) I never said 6 on 1 isn't a big deal. I said the charges were not appropriate. And believe me, if they were, they would not have been changed/reduced. Prosecutors knew it as well, but were just hoping to get away with something.

2) The white kids don't need a "break". They aren't the ones being treated unfairly. Maybe they should take a break from being racist. That might help.

3) Isn't every station other than BET considered "WET"?? - LMAO

[SternRulz]

Great point, so you're saying that the Acadamy Awards should have had the Duke LAX players give out awards right??? No because it is a touchy issue that shouldn't be taken lightly.

??? Are the LAX players actors? The reason BET is bringing light to the situation is because it directly affects them and their target audience (oh, and America), so...unless there's a dedicated LAX channel out there somewhere that's very concerned about the plight of the LAX player, I don't get your point.

[SternRulz]

of course racism exists.....and of course racism is wrong; to make racism the default answer is asinine.

Racism is the reason we're dicussing this. There is no other reason.

it's a vicious circle. racism has caused this situation where some people who are less deserving are rewarded.........which then causes hard feelings b/c the people who are most deserving lose out b/c of the color (white) of their skin. it's quite odd when you think about it.

i don't think that giving a black person something that they don't deserve is going to change the minds of the world. everyone should earn what they receive. if they feel that they are being discriminated against then they have legal options.

i spoke with a friend of mine (who is black) about this situation. it disgusts him to see so many young black men and women expecting things without working hard for them. he hates seeing guys walk around with gold teeth, pants to their ankles, and speaking horrible english. he told me that he feels that in order for there to be a change they have to each person needs to work harder to start the ball rolling, and not sit around and wait for the world to change. you fight racism by proving people that their stereotypes are wrong. he begs kids to start working harder in the classroom and become ideal citizens. basically go out and make the world listen and don't sit around and expect everything.

Agree, but the laws/rules/regulations are in affect to protect those that are truly deserving but aren't getting a fair chance. Unfortunately you'll have those that take advantage, but that's true with pretty much every thing.
You have to take the good with the bad to protect what is right.

and to think that most or all of america is racist is ignorant as well.

Agree, and I never said that.

[monte81]

I nominate this for dumbest post of the year.

Your dumb if you think that money doesn't matter in the court of law. The better the lawyer the more money you spend and the less money you have the success rate drops of not quity verdicts. If you have no money you get a public defender and that equals plea deal! Most of the time is not is not about quilty or innocent ots about $$$$$$$

Superbran,

I guess we will agree to disagree! I do know that 10% of every race is smarter than the other 90% of that population. using this ath the percentages would be in your favor because you make up more of the population. I will keep working to help the other 90% of my people!!!

I will never want a position because I was black but because I worked for it! it goes both ways because we all know that some hires are made on the old buddy system. i am willing to bet that more whites are helped out my this because you still own the businesses!!

Clothing---- I do not want any individuals walking around with pants sagging and acting ignorant. my kids no beter and represent me better than that or deal with me! i am working on those streotypes as well. I wear a suit and tie EVERYDAY to work but in the evening or weekends its differant. Some would say I am a thug, drug dealer, etc,... but they cant judge books by the covers!!

BET---- all the show was relating to young blacks were that OK you made a mistake but we are going to forgive you and try to change the system. We dont condone violence but prefer PEACE! The beatdown was wrong, the nouses were wrong, etc,...but the proposed treatment afterwards to the Jena 6 was RACIST!!!!
It's cool!
GO TIGERS!

[Mass6]

??? Are the LAX players actors? The reason BET is bringing light to the situation is because it directly affects them and their target audience (oh, and America), so...unless there's a dedicated LAX channel out there somewhere that's very concerned about the plight of the LAX player, I don't get your point.

Do you read what you write??? Are the kids actors that were presenting??? Is BET a channel just for black kids??? The LAX players being accused of rape and having marches/protests against them, and having their season cancelled isn't a big deal?? My point is the LAX players were found not guilty on all charges and they had to go through just as much as these kids and they aren't handing out any awards. What does an LAX channel have to do with this??? These guys are americans with an athletic background, so maybe Sportscenter should have had them host a show according to you? My point is if the LAX players would have gone on an awards show after having their charges reduced and were given the spotlight Al Sharpton and the NAACP would have thrown a fit. That's all I'm saying.

[SternRulz]

Do you read what you write??? Are the kids actors that were presenting??? Is BET a channel just for black kids??? The LAX players being accused of rape and having marches/protests against them, and having their season cancelled isn't a big deal?? My point is the LAX players were found not guilty on all charges and they had to go through just as much as these kids and they aren't handing out any awards. What does an LAX channel have to do with this??? These guys are americans with an athletic background, so maybe Sportscenter should have had them host a show according to you? My point is if the LAX players would have gone on an awards show after having their charges reduced and were given the spotlight Al Sharpton and the NAACP would have thrown a fit. That's all I'm saying.

Do you read what I write? You're obviously reading, but not comprehending. Your analogy made no sense. Black teens to BET does not equal White teens to the Academy Awards. Think about it. BET and the black teens have a common cause that affects them in the same way. What common cause could the Academy Awards have in common to call attention to with white teen LAX players?

And yes, maybe using Sportscenter would have been a better analogy. And yes, BETs target audience is black. I don't think that's a secret (hence the name). And I never said one single thing about what happened to the LAX players not being a big deal. I used them as an example to point out a flaw in your analogy.

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[SuperBran]

1) Prosecutors knew it as well, but were just hoping to get away with something.

don't comment on the legal system when you know nothing about it. prosecutors cannot just fish and try to get away with something. that would violate the code of professional conduct. in ohio the rules specifically state "A public prosecutor or other government lawyer shall not institute or cause to be instituted criminal charges when he knows or it is obvious that the charges are not supported by probable cause."

2) The white kids don't need a "break". They aren't the ones being treated unfairly. Maybe they should take a break from being racist. That might help.

yes, b/c getting beaten while you're unconscious is fair.

[Mass6]

Do you read what I write? You're obviously reading, but not comprehending. Your analogy made no sense. Black teens to BET does not equal White teens to the Academy Awards. Think about it. BET and the black teens have a common cause that affects them in the same way. What common cause could the Academy Awards have in common to call attention to with white teen LAX players?

And yes, maybe using Sportscenter would have been a better analogy. And yes, BETs target audience is black. I don't think that's a secret (hence the name). And I never said one single thing about what happened to the LAX players not being a big deal. I used them as an example to point out a flaw in your analogy.

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The LAX players weren't teens, they were seniors in college. Get your facts right, and yes Acadamy Awards are watched by white americans in their teens so it does make sense. All BET did was stir the pot by doing this as is evidence by this thread. That is what people are trying to point out and you are making excuses saying it was a good thing to do and it wasn't.

[Mass6]

2) The white kids don't need a "break". They aren't the ones being treated unfairly. Maybe they should take a break from being racist. That might help.

3) Isn't every station other than BET considered "WET"?? - LMAO[/QUOTE]

These are two very ignorant posts. Not all white kids are raised with a silver spoon and many go through the same problems that black, asian, mexican...kids go through.

[SuperBran]

Racism is the reason we're dicussing this. There is no other reason.

maybe you missed something, but the issue ISN'T racism. the issue is BET treating criminals like celebrities. that's a decency issue. would BET be upset if we have rodney king's beaters on mtv?

Agree, but the laws/rules/regulations are in affect to protect those that are truly deserving but aren't getting a fair chance. Unfortunately you'll have those that take advantage, but that's true with pretty much every thing.
You have to take the good with the bad to protect what is right.

so it's okay that some people are given something they don't deserve even though they may never have experienced racism?

[Mass6]

I think we're wasting our fingers typing to this guy SuperBran. All he wants to do is turn it into a race issue, when he can't see the topic of the thread that he is posting about.

[SternRulz]

don't comment on the legal system when you know nothing about it. prosecutors cannot just fish and try to get away with something. that would violate the code of professional conduct. in ohio the rules specifically state "A public prosecutor or other government lawyer shall not institute or cause to be instituted criminal charges when he knows or it is obvious that the charges are not supported by probable cause."

Care to comment on how/why the charges were changed then?

:ohplease:

yes, b/c getting beaten while you're unconscious is fair.

Didn't say it was. They should and will be punished appropriately.

[SuperBran]

BET---- all the show was relating to young blacks were that OK you made a mistake but we are going to forgive you and try to change the system. We dont condone violence but prefer PEACE! The beatdown was wrong, the nouses were wrong, etc,...but the proposed treatment afterwards to the Jena 6 was RACIST!!!!
It's cool!
GO TIGERS!

what exactly did BET do that even remotely resembles what you wrote above? they specifically said that they invited the kids to RELAX. let's not sugar coat this. there was no promotion of peace. they were brought there b/c BET felt that, regardless of their criminal actions, that they were the true victims. nothing more, nothing less.

we simply cannot ignore the fact that these cowards brutally beat someone. that's inexcusable.

if 6 white kids beat up a black kid b/c the black kid wrote "all whites should die" on a wall, and then were invited to give out an award on mtv, do you honestly think people wouldn't be ripping mtv and focusing on the beating? would sharpton and jackson just leave the situation alone b/c the kid was a racist? please.

if a black man came up to me today and shouted racial insults, and i viciously beat him, what do you think would get more attention.....the beating or the racial insults?

if you honestly and truly think BET was promoting peace you're nuts. again, if the situation was reversed there would be outrage in the black community and they wouldn't be so quick to forgive.

[SternRulz]

The LAX players weren't teens, they were seniors in college. Get your facts right, and yes Acadamy Awards are watched by white americans in their teens so it does make sense. All BET did was stir the pot by doing this as is evidence by this thread. That is what people are trying to point out and you are making excuses saying it was a good thing to do and it wasn't.

Yes, the age of the players are a huge factor here...my bad if I got it wrong by a couple of years. :ohplease: Still doesn't change the point, which you obviously and continually fail to comprehend.

BET did something that they felt was in the best interest for them and their target audience. Get over it. And honestly, I haven't heard anything about this except for on this board, so I'm not sure what pot has been stirred. I never even heard about it until I opened this thread. Apparently I'm not reading the right newspapers or watching the right news programs.

[SternRulz]

2) The white kids don't need a "break". They aren't the ones being treated unfairly. Maybe they should take a break from being racist. That might help.

3) Isn't every station other than BET considered "WET"?? - LMAO

These are two very ignorant posts. Not all white kids are raised with a silver spoon and many go through the same problems that black, asian, mexican...kids go through.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about specifically about this case, Einstein.

[SternRulz]

maybe you missed something, but the issue ISN'T racism. the issue is BET treating criminals like celebrities. that's a decency issue. would BET be upset if we have rodney king's beaters on mtv?

The issue is racism. That's the reason for the case and that's the issue that BET is trying to keep in the forefront by having them there. Hell, BET wouldn't even exist if it weren't for racism. This whole thing is only about racism. BET is doing what they feel is in the best interest of black people.




so it's okay that some people are given something they don't deserve even though they may never have experienced racism? Maybe you missed the part where I said you have to take the good with the bad? Just like anything else in life. It's really not a tough concept to understand.

[SternRulz]

I think we're wasting our fingers typing to this guy SuperBran. All he wants to do is turn it into a race issue, when he can't see the topic of the thread that he is posting about.

First of all, I'm a white female. Second, I'm not turning it into a race issue. Just saying that I understand BETs move.

[SuperBran]

Care to comment on how/why the charges were changed then?

:ohplease:

i hate to disappoint you, but charges are reduced/dropped ALL THE TIME. in this case it probably happened due to the difficulty in getting a conviction. they had a much better shot at the reduced charges, as there is LA case law showing that a shoe can be used as a deadly weapon.

Didn't say it was. They should and will be punished appropriately.

so what is "appropriate" in your view?



here's something interesting.....bell's public defender, who is BLACK, urged bell to accept a plea bargain that included a suspended sentence (although it was rejected), didn't challenge the composition of the jury pool, and rested WITHOUT CALLING ANY WITNESSES!

[SternRulz]

...if a black man came up to me today and shouted racial insults, and i viciously beat him, what do you think would get more attention.....the beating or the racial insults?

Agree, we cannot ignore what the 6 did. They will be punished and rightfully so. Above is a part of your post that stuck out to me. You're absolutely right. The beating would get more attention, and let me attempt to explain why. There is nothing a black person can say to me about my race that could be hurtful. Cracker...so? Whitey...so? Don't care. You know why? Because white people, men in particular, have always had the upper hand. Even though a lot has improved, that has not changed. White men have never been considered less than equal, never been denied the right to vote, never denied anything. You have nothing to overcome. What fears can you possibly have? It's not the same playing field. So, when you beat a black person, even if it's because of something non-racial, it will be viewed that way becasue of history. Like it or not, that's just the way it is until the playing field is even.

[SternRulz]

i hate to disappoint you, but charges are reduced/dropped ALL THE TIME. in this case it probably happened due to the difficulty in getting a conviction. they had a much better shot at the reduced charges, as there is LA case law showing that a shoe can be used as a deadly weapon.

Why would they have trouble getting a conviction if it's so clear cut? I mean they did viscously beat him. I'd say 100 years is appropriate :crap:. Hell, there are actual murderers, child molesters etc. that don't do half of that time.


so what is "appropriate" in your view?
I have no problem with the current charges. He gets what he gets and he'll just have to deal with it. I had a problem with the original charges only.



here's something interesting.....bell's public defender, who is BLACK, urged bell to accept a plea bargain that included a suspended sentence (although it was rejected), didn't challenge the composition of the jury pool, and rested WITHOUT CALLING ANY WITNESSES!

So? I don't see the point you're trying to make.

[SuperBran]

Agree, we cannot ignore what the 6 did. They will be punished and rightfully so. Above is a part of your post that stuck out to me. You're absolutely right. The beating would get more attention, and let me attempt to explain why. There is nothing a black person can say to me about my race that could be hurtful. Cracker...so? Whitey...so? Don't care. You know why? Because white people, men in particular, have always had the upper hand. Even though a lot has improved, that has not changed. White men have never been considered less than equal, never been denied the right to vote, never denied anything. You have nothing to overcome. What fears can you possibly have? It's not the same playing field. So, when you beat a black person, even if it's because of something non-racial, it will be viewed that way becasue of history. Like it or not, that's just the way it is until the playing field is even.

if a black may hung a noose in your yard with a note saying "all whites must die", would that not bother you? i'll bet it would.

if so, would you have the right to get five of your friends and viciously beat him while unconscious? would it be right for you to then go present an award?

talk about inequality.....6 black kids beat one white kid and we talk about how the black kids are the victims. if 6 white kids beat one black kid we'd be talking about how bad those white kids are.

[SuperBran]

Why would they have trouble getting a conviction if it's so clear cut?

who said it was clear cut? again, you're showing your ignorance of the law.

it can be difficult to prove the mens rea of attempted murder. it's easier to prove the other charges and obtain a conviction rather than risk having them walk.

do you honestly think that you can only bring charges if it's guaranteed that you'll win? LOL.

charges are filed before formal discovery. it's in the discovery phase where you get your ammunition.

I have no problem with the current charges. He gets what he gets and he'll just have to deal with it. I had a problem with the original charges only.

the original charges were dropped by the DA on the FIRST day of trial.


So? I don't see the point you're trying to make.

of course you don't....you know nothing about that law and how it works.

[SternRulz]

if a black may hung a noose in your yard with a note saying "all whites must die", would that not bother you? i'll bet it would.

if so, would you have the right to get five of your friends and viciously beat him while unconscious? would it be right for you to then go present an award?

talk about inequality.....6 black kids beat one white kid and we talk about how the black kids are the victims. if 6 white kids beat one black kid we'd be talking about how bad those white kids are.

You're not bringing anything new to the discussion and refuse to talk about the points brought up. I'll answer your first question though...

No. Of course I would call police and also take security measures, but it would be because there's a lunatic on the loose, not because I would be upset that someone wants to kill me because I'm white. It would be fear of a crazy person, not anger because of a racist. And I would seek no revenge, just justice.

[Mass6]

These are two very ignorant posts. Not all white kids are raised with a silver spoon and many go through the same problems that black, asian, mexican...kids go through.

I was talking about specifically about this case, Einstein.[/QUOTE]

Yea saying all other stations are "WET" isn't igonarant??? That has nothing to do with the kids?? You act as if we don't comprehend what you're saying but you aren't making sense. You say you aren't making this into a race issue when you clearly are as what you said in what I quoted you about giving the "White kids a break from being racists." What does this have to do with BET having the kids hand out awards??? Sorry that I said he when you are a female I apologize for that. As far as the LAX players, a couple of years from a teen male to a lower 20's male in term of maturity levels are huge.

[Paul Brown]

The two Rev.'s would be up in arms if 6 white boys stomped a black boy unconscious then presented an award at the CMA's.