Jena 6 present BET award

[SternRulz]

who said it was clear cut? again, you're showing your ignorance of the law.

it can be difficult to prove the mens rea of attempted murder. it's easier to prove the other charges and obtain a conviction rather than risk having them walk.

do you honestly think that you can only bring charges if it's guaranteed that you'll win? LOL.

charges are filed before formal discovery. it's in the discovery phase where you get your ammunition.



the original charges were dropped by the DA on the FIRST day of trial.




of course you don't....you know nothing about that law and how it works.

??? It has nothing to do with understanding the law. You're stating the obvious in the 1st part of your post, as well as making a lot of assumptions and putting a lot of words into my mouth (which seems to be your MO).

Your comments bring no value to the discussion.

[SternRulz]

Yea saying all other stations are "WET" isn't igonarant??? That has nothing to do with the kids?? You act as if we don't comprehend what you're saying but you aren't making sense. You say you aren't making this into a race issue when you clearly are as what you said in what I quoted you about giving the "White kids a break from being racists." What does this have to do with BET having the kids hand out awards??? Sorry that I said he when you are a female I apologize for that. As far as the LAX players, a couple of years from a teen male to a lower 20's male in term of maturity levels are huge.

It was somewhat of a joke, but not really. Please point out any other TV station that is specifically targeted to blacks? There may be some obscure channel that I'm not aware of, but I know of no others. I don't see why that's odd that I pointed that out. If I remeber correctly I said that in response to someone making a suggestion that a WET be started.

No problem about calling me male...my SN doesn't suggest otherwise.

The age of the LAX players was meaningless to the point be discussed.

[SternRulz]

The two Rev.'s would be up in arms if 6 white boys stomped a black boy unconscious then presented an award at the CMA's.

The two Revs are jerkwads, but every now and then they get something right. I give them credit for keeping racism in the light, but a lot of times they go about it the wrong way.

[SuperBran]

??? It has nothing to do with understanding the law. You're stating the obvious in the 1st part of your post, as well as making a lot of assumptions and putting a lot of words into my mouth (which seems to be your MO).

put words in your mouth? please. i simply rebutted your ignorant statements.

you say that it has nothing to do with understanding the law? really? then why are you making stupid comments about why the charges were reduced?

you say that i stated the obvious....then why would you say: "Why would they have trouble getting a conviction if it's so clear cut? "



Your comments bring no value to the discussion.

LOL. you truly are delusional. i've provided more value to this discussion then you could even dream of bringing. what value have you brought to this thread?

every post you create has been rebutted by others on this thread.

your arguments are weak and you have no valid arguments. your only response is "well racism exists." weak.

[Mass6]

It was somewhat of a joke, but not really. Please point out any other TV station that is specifically targeted to blacks? There may be some obscure channel that I'm not aware of, but I know of no others. I don't see why that's odd that I pointed that out. If I remeber correctly I said that in response to someone making a suggestion that a WET be started.

The age of the LAX players was meaningless to the point be discussed.[/QUOTE]

I really don't see how any channel is set just for one race anymore. Any station has news anchors of all creeds and color. Also, It seems racist to me that a station is set specifically for one race.

The age of the LAX players is not meaningless. You stated that teens don't watch teh acadamy awards and I stated that people in their 20's do, so it was a direct correlation to the Acadamy Awards doing the same thing BET did.

[SternRulz]

put words in your mouth? please. i simply rebutted your ignorant statements.

Um...okay.

you say that it has nothing to do with understanding the law? really? then why are you making stupid comments about why the charges were reduced?

The charges were reduced, were they not?

you say that i stated the obvious....then why would you say: "Why would they have trouble getting a conviction if it's so clear cut? "
Because of your attitude. If everybody thinks the way you do, there should be no problem getting a conviction, right? Sorry if you missed the sarcasm.


LOL. you truly are delusional. i've provided more value to this discussion then you could even dream of bringing. what value have you brought to this thread?

every post you create has been rebutted by others on this thread.

your arguments are weak and you have no valid arguments. your only response is "well racism exists." weak.[/QUOTE]

LOL - okay. If that's what you need to think to get you through the day.

:2thumbsup:

[SternRulz]

I really don't see how any channel is set just for one race anymore. Any station has news anchors of all creeds and color.

True, but exluding news achnors, programming is predominatly white.


Also, It seems racist to me that a station is set specifically for one race.

Do you know what BET stands for? The target audience for BET is African Americans, age 18-34. That doesn't mean that someone outside of that target audience can't watch it...it just means their programming is geared to that group. Every business has a target audience.

The age of the LAX players is not meaningless. You stated that teens don't watch teh acadamy awards and I stated that people in their 20's do, so it was a direct correlation to the Acadamy Awards doing the same thing BET did.
Never once did I state that teens do not watch the AAs. That would just be stupid. You apparently missed the connection.

[SuperBran]

The charges were reduced, were they not?

yeah, and you asked me why they were reduced..........which requires legal analysis.........which takes an understanding of the law. follow me?

Because of your attitude. If everybody thinks the way you do, there should be no problem getting a conviction, right? Sorry if you missed the sarcasm.

what attitude? when did i argue the merits of the case? if you'd actually READ my posts, you'd see that i never analyzed the case. my argument simply has to do with BET's decision to reward these fools.

yeah, i'm the one putting words in someone else's mouth.

[SternRulz]

yeah, and you asked me why they were reduced..........which requires legal analysis.........which takes an understanding of the law. follow me? They were reduced when the charges received national attention.

From the Tribune:
HOUSTON - The district attorney prosecuting a racially charged beating case in the small Louisiana town of Jena abruptly reduced attempted-murder charges Monday against a black high school student accused of attacking a white student, drawing cautious praise from civil rights leaders who contend the charges were excessive and part of a pattern of uneven justice in the town...."It certainly looks like the district attorney responded to the scrutiny the media has brought to this case," said Alan Bean, a civil rights activist in Tulia, Texas, who, along with representatives of the ACLU and the NAACP, has been sharply critical of the charges against the black youths..."

The only analyzing done was on how they were going to save his butt.

what attitude? when did i argue the merits of the case? if you'd actually READ my posts, you'd see that i never analyzed the case. my argument simply has to do with BET's decision to reward these fools.

yeah, i'm the one putting words in someone else's mouth.

I sincerely apologize if I mixed up your nonsense with the other poster's nonsense.

[SuperBran]

They were reduced when the charges received national attention.
From the Tribune:


.............."It certainly looks like the district attorney responded to the scrutiny the media has brought to this case," said Alan Bean, a civil rights activist in Tulia, Texas, who, along with representatives of the ACLU and the NAACP, has been sharply critical of the charges against the black youths..."[/I]

and this statement sums it up. people only SPECULATED on the reason. your citation, like all of your posts, proves absolutely nothing. the fact that it occurred after national exposure means nothing. did your mom ever tell you what happens when you assume?

nice try, though.

I sincerely apologize if I mixed up your nonsense with the other poster's nonsense.

my nonsense? LOL. take a look at your feeble attempts at an argument. you really do have delusions of grandeur. all you've done is waste people's time. BET treating these criminals like celebrities was inexcusable.

i guess we shouldn't expect out of someone named "sternrulz."

[Mass6]

They were reduced when the charges received national attention.

From the Tribune:
HOUSTON - The district attorney prosecuting a racially charged beating case in the small Louisiana town of Jena abruptly reduced attempted-murder charges Monday against a black high school student accused of attacking a white student, drawing cautious praise from civil rights leaders who contend the charges were excessive and part of a pattern of uneven justice in the town...."It certainly looks like the district attorney responded to the scrutiny the media has brought to this case," said Alan Bean, a civil rights activist in Tulia, Texas, who, along with representatives of the ACLU and the NAACP, has been sharply critical of the charges against the black youths..."

The only analyzing done was on how they were going to save his butt.



I sincerely apologize if I mixed up your nonsense with the other poster's nonsense.

Would that be my nonsense??? Please show me my nonsense.

[SuperBran]

Would that be my nonsense??? Please show me my nonsense.

she really has no clue. somehow she's convinced herself that she makes sense.

[SternRulz]

and this statement sums it up. people only SPECULATED on the reason. your citation, like all of your posts, proves absolutely nothing. the fact that it occurred after national exposure means nothing. did your mom ever tell you what happens when you assume?

nice try, though.



my nonsense? LOL. take a look at your feeble attempts at an argument. you really do have delusions of grandeur, though.

i guess we shouldn't expect out of someone named "sternrulz."

LOL! When all else fails, attack Stern. Only to be expected though.

Here...maybe this is more difinitve for you...from MSNBC:

JENA, La. - Prosecutors reduced the attempted murder charge against another of the “Jena Six,” a group of black high school students whose criminal charges after the beating a white classmate drew protests of racism and unequal justice.

If you think those charges would have dropped without all of the attention received, you're the delusional one.

[SternRulz]

she really has no clue...

That's your opinion. I truly feel sorry for those whole can only see the world through their eyes.

[SuperBran]

That's your opinion. I truly feel sorry for those whole can only see the world through their eyes.

and i feel sorry for those who are so close to the trees that they can't see the woods.

[SuperBran]

LOL! When all else fails, attack Stern. Only to be expected though.

Here...maybe this is more difinitve for you...from MSNBC:

JENA, La. - Prosecutors reduced the attempted murder charge against another of the “Jena Six,” a group of black high school students whose criminal charges after the beating a white classmate drew protests of racism and unequal justice.

If you think those charges would have dropped without all of the attention received, you're the delusional one.


what does that citation add? where does it say that the charges were reduced due to the attention? it says that the charges were reduced, then later mentions that the charges were criticized. there's nothing stating that the reduction was due to the criticism. that involves speculation, which isn't the same as fact. sorry, but you failed again.

i absolutely think they would have been dropped had there been no attention. the case was too difficult to prove and they didn't want to watch them walk. if they knew they had a good shot at the case, they would have proceeded. the prosecutor wasn't going to be influenced by a bunch of people who are ignorant of the facts of the case, or who's opinions were based on heresay.

but what do i know......i'm just an attorney.

[SternRulz]

what does that citation add? where does it say that the charges were reduced due to the attention? it says that the charges were reduced, then later mentions that the charges were criticized. there's nothing stating that the reduction was due to the criticism. that involves speculation, which isn't the same as fact. sorry, but you failed again.

i absolutely think they would have been dropped had there been no attention. the case was too difficult to prove and they didn't want to watch them walk. if they knew they had a good shot at the case, they would have proceeded. the prosecutor wasn't going to be influenced by a bunch of people who are ignorant of the facts of the case, or who's opinions were based on heresay.

but what do i know......i'm just an attorney.

LOL - you're right...I misread the article. I still stand by my statement that the charges would not have been reduced had there not been national attention called to the case.

[SternRulz]

and i feel sorry for those who are so close to the trees that they can't see the woods.


As do I. You're focusing on the act itself and not unfairness of the original charge, which is what I said I had a problem with all along.

Do you really think these kids deserved 80 - 100 years for this? Really?

[Mass6]

As do I. You're focusing on the act itself and not unfairness of the original charge, which is what I said I had a problem with all along.

Do you really think these kids deserved 80 - 100 years for this? Really?

How would you feel if your child was brutally attacked by 6 kids??? Put yourself in the situation and if you still feel the way you do, I will be surprised.

[SternRulz]

How would you feel if your child was brutally attacked by 6 kids??? Put yourself in the situation and if you still feel the way you do, I will be surprised.

Attacked and Killed? 100 years or death sentence.

ER for 3 hours? I don't know...5?

[Mass6]

Attacked and Killed? 100 years.

ER for 3 hours? I don't know...5?

Do you have kids???? Not only will the physical pain be with the kid for time, but the mental anguish as well. If that happened to my kid, 5 years wouldn't be nearly enough. If you think it is you have problems.

[SternRulz]

Do you have kids???? Not only will the physical pain be with the kid for time, but the mental anguish as well. If that happened to my kid, 5 years wouldn't be nearly enough. If you think it is you have problems.


I do have a daughter, but not school-age yet.

Yeah...maybe 10. Definitely not 100 though.

[SuperBran]

As do I. You're focusing on the act itself and not unfairness of the original charge, which is what I said I had a problem with all along.

since you can't read and comprehend, i'll say it one last time......i never gave my thoughts on the fairness or unfairness on the original charge. the only thing i said was that the original charge would be hard to prove. got that??? I NEVER COMMENTED ON THE UNFAIRNESS/FAIRNESS OF THE ORIGINAL CHARGE. please open you ears so i don't have to keep talking to the wall that is sternrulz. s

AGAIN, the issue is NOT THE ORIGINAL CHARGE. the issue is THE DECENCY OF BET IN ALLOWING THESE FOOLS TO PRESENT AN AWARD. that's what i'm focusing on. did you not read the TITLE OF THIS THREAD???

the mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Do you really think these kids deserved 80 - 100 years for this? Really?[/QUOTE]

uh, where did i say that they deserved 80-100 years? trying to put words in my mouth.

and you actually think other people spew nonsense.

one more time:

THE ISSUE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CHARGE.

for some reason you can't get that out of your head. "oh the original charge, blah, blah, original charge, blah, blah, original charge."

[SternRulz]

since you can't read and comprehend, i'll say it one last time......i never gave my thoughts on the fairness or unfairness on the original charge. the only thing i said was that the original charge would be hard to prove. got that??? I NEVER COMMENTED ON THE UNFAIRNESS/FAIRNESS OF THE ORIGINAL CHARGE. please open you ears so i don't have to keep talking to the wall that is sternrulz. s

AGAIN, the issue is NOT THE ORIGINAL CHARGE. the issue is THE DECENCY OF BET IN ALLOWING THESE FOOLS TO PRESENT AN AWARD. that's what i'm focusing on. did you not read the TITLE OF THIS THREAD???

the mind is a terrible thing to waste.

uh, where did i say that they deserved 80-100 years? trying to put words in my mouth.

and you actually think other people spew nonsense.

one more time:

THE ISSUE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CHARGE.

for some reason you can't get that out of your head. "oh the original charge, blah, blah, original charge, blah, blah, original charge."


My issue (regarding the case once the thread got off topic) was the original charge and I stated as much, so too bad for you that you got off track with your meaningless rants.

That being said, the rest of your post means nothing because you once again read into my posts what you choose to. You've done that throughout the thread.

Congrats on your *e'hem* success as a lawyer. :doh2:

[Mass6]

I do have a daughter, but not school-age yet.

Yeah...maybe 10. Definitely not 100 though.

And after 10 years when they aren't successful in society because they are always afraid of groups or being in situations that they can't handle, see how you feel then.

[SternRulz]

And after 10 years when they aren't successful in society because they are always afraid of groups or being in situations that they can't handle, see how you feel then.

What??? And more time in prison for the criminals would help change that how???

I think that's a little extreme.

[Mass6]

What??? And more time in prison for the criminals would help change that how???

I think that's a little extreme.

Wow, nevermind. I'm done, it was nice debating with all. We all have our different views and to each their own. No hard feelings, and hopefully we can all debate again.

[Kamd50]

This is becoming redundant . Are there any NEW points to be made? Pretty please:wall:

[SternRulz]

Wow, nevermind. I'm done, it was nice debating with all. We all have our different views and to each their own. No hard feelings, and hopefully we can all debate again.

If the kid is going to have that problem, does it really make a difference if the attackers did 10 years or 100? He'll have the problem regardless.

The punishment should fit the crime. 100 years just doesn't seem like a fair sentence for sending someone to the ER for 3 hours. Sorry.

Regardless, I agree. No hard feelings, just differences of opinion.

[SuperBran]

My issue (regarding the case once the thread got off topic) was the original charge and I stated as much, so too bad for you that you got off track with your meaningless rants.

you think that I was off track? LOL. you truly are delusional.

you continued to try to take the thread off topic. when someone mentioned that they shouldn't be glorified for what they did you ignorantly responded that BET was only shedding light on racism.

i mean, nothing says "racism is bad" like having these kids hand out "video of the year."

you keep going off on meaningless rants about the original charges, when they were dropped months ago. even if these kids were wrongly charged, does that make it right to be treated like celebrities and lose sight of the fact that they brutally beat someone?

That being said, the rest of your post means nothing because you once again read into my posts what you choose to. You've done that throughout the thread.

i think you're the one who's trying to stretch things a little too far.

Congrats on your *e'hem* success as a lawyer. :doh2:

and what's that supposed to mean? if you're insinuating that i'm not successful then you truly are a fool. i wouldn't trade my paycheck for five of yours.

if you want to try to rip on someone's success, better make sure you're successful as well. too bad for you.

[Mass6]

Could you trade me checks??? Please.

[SternRulz]

you think that I was off track? LOL. you truly are delusional.

you continued to try to take the thread off topic. when someone mentioned that they shouldn't be glorified for what they did you ignorantly responded that BET was only shedding light on racism.

i mean, nothing says "racism is bad" like having these kids hand out "video of the year."

you keep going off on meaningless rants about the original charges, when they were dropped months ago. even if these kids were wrongly charged, does that make it right to be treated like celebrities and lose sight of the fact that they brutally beat someone?



i think you're the one who's trying to stretch things a little too far.



and what's that supposed to mean? if you're insinuating that i'm not successful then you truly are a fool. i wouldn't trade my paycheck for five of yours.

if you want to try to rip on someone's success, better make sure you're successful as well. too bad for you.

Okay, I'm sorry you feel that BET had no right to put a light to one of the biggest rase cases this century. The bottom line is there wouldn't have been an altercation if it wasn't for racism. As said in the very 1st post, the host specifically said that they did not think that what those boys did was okay, and neither do I. I never said they shouldn't be punished, only that they be punished fairly.

I would think you being a lawyer and all you'd want equal and appropriate justice, but maybe not. The only reason we're discussing this case is due to the original charges, otherwise we would have never even heard of this case. That's the whole reason it got attention. So for you to say it's irrelevant is ridiculous. I've also said that I have no problem with the current charges. If they would have started out that way, we may have never known about Jena.

I have no idea if you're successful. I was assuming. As for your last couple of sentences...right back at ya ! - LOL

:smile:

[SuperBran]

Okay, I'm sorry you feel that BET had no right to put a light to one of the biggest rase cases this century.

BET contributed nothing....absolutely nothing. they simply had these kids appear and hand out an award. there was no discussion and no message. what "light" did they shine besides having the kids in attendence? they ADMITTED to bringing these kids in to relax. that's straight from the donkey's mouth.


I would think you being a lawyer and all you'd want equal and appropriate justice, but maybe not.

please, please, please LISTEN this ONE LAST TIME. i have not commented on the fairness or unfairness of the charge. my arguments are directed to BET's decision.

how many times do i have to say this to get it through? if you want to talk about the fairness of the original charge, start a different thread and then i'll comment.

one last time b/c you've probably already forgotten. i did not comment on the fairness of the original charge.

to insinuate that i don't want equal and appropriate justice is ridiculous when i've made no comments on the matter.

As for your last couple of sentences...right back at ya ! - LOL

i am more than confident in my success and would be happy to compare my accomplishments to yours.

[SternRulz]

BET contributed nothing....absolutely nothing...

That is your opinion. I'm assuming you are not in their target audience.

i am more than confident in my success and would be happy to compare my accomplishments to yours.

Again, congrats on your success. No comparison necessary. I don't feel the need to be validated on the internet by an anonymous poster. Thanks though! :heee:

[SternRulz]

opinion? try fact. BET did NOTHING except have these kids appear and give out the award. yep, lost of awareness there.

yep, i'm not their target audience. considering the fact that you actually think that BET was making a statement against racism, their target audience must be idiots.

LOL - and the truth comes out.

Okay...let's look at it a different way. Why do you think BET had them on?

[SuperBran]

No comparison necessary

correct, no comparison.

I don't feel the need to be validated on the internet by an anonymous poster. Thanks though! :heee:

or invalidated

perhaps you shouldn't open your mouth when you have nothing to back it up.

but then again, that's what you've been doing with every post on this thread.

[SternRulz]

correct, no comparison.



or invalidated

perhaps you shouldn't open your mouth when you have nothing to back it up.

but then again, that's what you've been doing with every post on this thread.

LOL - Okay...whatever...

What happened to your previous post? The one I quoted above?

Regardless, it's been nice debating. Have a nice evening.

[SuperBran]

Okay...let's look at it a different way. Why do you think BET had them on?

i'm still trying to figure that one out. BET could have easily addressed the issue without actually having these kids on their red carpet and treat them like celebrities.....while forgetting that these kids are criminals.

[SuperBran]

What happened to your previous post? The one I quoted above?

Regardless, it's been nice debating. Have a nice evening.

i have no idea what happened to it.

we'll just agree to disagree. i feel BET was wrong, and nothing will change that. you simply cannot sugarcoat the fact that these kids did a horrible thing. if we had the duke lacrosse team, who was falsely accused of rape, hanging out an mtv award there would have been an outrage in the black community. if anyone thinks that BET was justified in promoting these cowards then i truly feel sorry for you.

this discussion can continue without me.

[SternRulz]

i have no idea what happened to it.

we'll just agree to disagree. i feel BET was wrong, and nothing will change that. you simply cannot sugarcoat the fact that these kids did a horrible thing. if we had the duke lacrosse team, who was falsely accused of rape, hanging out an mtv award there would have been an outrage in the black community. if anyone thinks that BET was justified in promoting these cowards then i truly feel sorry for you.

this discussion can continue without me.

I agree that we can agree to disagree. I don't think it was a great thing to have them there, but understand and accept why they did.

Okay...you added on to your post after I responded to it but it's just rehashing what's already been said, and again...putting words in my mouth.

<sigh>

Good night counselor!

[austinsm11]

Blacks make up more population of prisons because of lawyers!

More black people commit crimes than white people. That is a FACT. There are more black people in prison than any other race becuse black people commit more crimes.

Since black people commit more crimes than any other race, seems to make sense that they would make up the highest population in prison.

[DAWGH8R]

Does this article make the blacks & whites even ???

http://news.aol.com/story/nc/_a/woman-wants-accused-torturers-to-fry/20071024090409990001

[austinsm11]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/nyregion/19attack.html?_r=1&em&ex=1192939200&en=e41ad44d225f1c94&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

The men, identified by the police as Daniel Avissato, 24, and Mark Vincent Maleto, 21, were arrested on charges including assault as a hate crime, gang assault, aggravated harassment as a hate crime and criminal possession of a weapon — which the police said was a sneaker, because the victim was kicked.

“This is no casual crime,” said Mr. Sharpton, who was asked to appear by the victim’s parents, the Rev. Walter Taylor and his wife, Jessica Taylor. “This is certainly something that is threatening to him as a person, could have permanent damage to him and certainly is hate-based, with racial language used.”

[monte81]

More black people commit crimes than white people. That is a FACT. There are more black people in prison than any other race becuse black people commit more crimes.

Since black people commit more crimes than any other race, seems to make sense that they would make up the highest population in prison.

Commit more crimes or get caught commiting more crimes, or covicted of more crimes? Lawyers matter in any case---the better the lawyer the better your chances of walking. Numerous cases in the south of blacks wrongly convicted. Not saying ALL are in prison but the numbers are flawed. What about the numerous cases of drug dealers white and black---whites get lesser sentences and overal for every crime!! I dont care if you are white or black if you did---you go to prison. However the Jena 6 should be punished but no hard prison time in warranted. The town is actively promoting racism IMO and are trying to prove apoint to the blacks in the town. Take what we give or leave-----shame, shame, shame!!!!!

A few years in Texas a detective and city officals indicted 38 blacks for drug trafficking! All were convicted and sent to prison for years ranging for 3-60! After an investigation ALL verdicts were overturned because the detective planted the evidence and lied about all the activity he claimed to have witnessed. NUMEROUS CASES!!!!

[monte81]

Does this article make the blacks & whites even ???

http://news.aol.com/story/nc/_a/woman-wants-accused-torturers-to-fry/20071024090409990001

it is a big differance because in Jena whites were taunting the black students. In this case the hillbillies were just torturing the girl for no reason! Now they need 100 years in prison!

[DAWGH8R]

it is a big differance because in Jena whites were taunting the black students. In this case the hillbillies were just torturing the girl for no reason! Now they need 100 years in prison!


My post was in jest Monte ! The people in WV are just sick degenerates !!

[SuperBran]

Commit more crimes or get caught commiting more crimes, or covicted of more crimes? Lawyers matter in any case---the better the lawyer the better your chances of walking.

of course. it's just that ALL white criminals have better lawyers! didn't you know.....what type of lawyer you get depends on the color of your skin!

Numerous cases in the south of blacks wrongly convicted. Not saying ALL are in prison but the numbers are flawed.

not flawed so much as to make a difference.

What about the numerous cases of drug dealers white and black---whites get lesser sentences and overal for every crime!!

please provide a link that justifies your "statistics."

However the Jena 6 should be punished but no hard prison time in warranted.

prison time warrented? of course. these cowardly losers beat a guy while unconscious.

lenghty term? no.

The town is actively promoting racism IMO and are trying to prove apoint to the blacks in the town.

an absolutely ridiculous statement. to say that the "town" is actively promoting racism is ridiculous. generalizing the actions of a few to the entire town is like saying that all black people are criminals b/c the prison rates are higher, or that black people aren't as smart b/c they score lower on standardized test and have lower graduation rates.

[SuperBran]

it is a big differance because in Jena whites were taunting the black students.

who was taunting the black students? the victim wasn't. read the witness statements and you'll see that the victim was simply walking out of a building when one of the six hit him in the back of the head. once he fell they all jumped in.

the victim didn't deserve the beating that he received from SIX people. they ambushed him and beat him.


yeah, this kid's a saint...

http://katc.images.worldnow.com/images/7134753_BG1.jpg

[austinsm11]

Commit more crimes or get caught commiting more crimes, or covicted of more crimes? Lawyers matter in any case---the better the lawyer the better your chances of walking.


So you don't think that black people commit more crimes than other races?

Seems like if more black people are committing crimes, there will be more that are caught and more that are convicted than other races.

Black people can't afford good lawyers? I would argue that it is poor people of all races that can't afford the better lawyers. Don't the better lawyers cost more money? Isn't that why you stated OJ got off? The ones with money are the ones that can afford to get the better lawyers and have a better chance of getting off. Just because I am white doesn't mean I can afford a good lawyer.

[austinsm11]

who was taunting the black students? the victim wasn't. read the witness statements and you'll see that the victim was simply walking out of a building when one of the six hit him in the back of the head. once he fell they all jumped in.


I would say that the attack had nothing to do with the nooses that were hung. Why not attack the ones who hung the nooses? If it is so angering and upsetting, why wait until 2 months after the noose incident?

[austinsm11]

I dont care if you are white or black if you did---you go to prison. However the Jena 6 should be punished but no hard prison time in warranted. The town is actively promoting racism IMO and are trying to prove apoint to the blacks in the town. Take what we give or leave-----shame, shame, shame!!!!!


If you are black or white you should go to prison...but these guys shouldn't because of what? So the next time someone calls me cracker or whitey it is ok for me to gather up 5 of my friends and beat up a random black person who had nothing to do with it? Your posts are hilarious!

BTW, what should their punishment be?

[SuperBran]

BTW, what should their punishment be?

but they've already been punished! afterall, they were CHARGED (and not TRIED) with a more serious offense.

i mean, forget the guy that was viciously beaten by six guys....these kids are the ones who are truly suffering.

LOL.

[monte81]

If you are black or white you should go to prison...but these guys shouldn't because of what? So the next time someone calls me cracker or whitey it is ok for me to gather up 5 of my friends and beat up a random black person who had nothing to do with it? Your posts are hilarious!

BTW, what should their punishment be?

The average punishment for assault is usually probation and at worse 6 months in jail! I would guess something like that is appropriate but to think they should be treated as adults and given any more is crazy.

So you think that its cool for white kids to hang nouses, call out racial slurs for free? It aint cool! BTW---when was the last time a balck man/woman called you a cracker? Were your ancestors hung, dragged, etc,... if you are not Jewish you wouldn't understand what blacks have ben fighting for--- over 400 years!

Talk about the group of whites in WV that tourtured the black lady for NOTHING!!! What do you think the sentence should be?

In Columbus today racial slurs were painted on the condo of a black family for moving in a white complex!!! hum, racism is far from dead---when whites(some) learn that we aint taking it then we can be in harmony---you keep disrespecting us----we can't guarantee that every now and then somebody aint going to get a beatdown! The judicial system should have more harsh penalties for hate crimes and maybe the racism and stuff will cease---to be continued!

[monte81]

who was taunting the black students? the victim wasn't. read the witness statements and you'll see that the victim was simply walking out of a building when one of the six hit him in the back of the head. once he fell they all jumped in.

the victim didn't deserve the beating that he received from SIX people. they ambushed him and beat him.


yeah, this kid's a saint...

http://katc.images.worldnow.com/images/7134753_BG1.jpg

!

And the whites kids in Jena are not saints either!!

[SuperBran]

The average punishment for assault is usually probation and at worse 6 months in jail! I would guess something like that is appropriate but to think they should be treated as adults and given any more is crazy.

really? although i'm don't work in criminal law, i believe that the prision term for felonious assault (felony of the second degree) is 2-8 years, while the prision term for aggravated assault (felony of the fourth degree) is 6-18 months. even a simple charge of assault carries 6-12 months.

you keep throwing out stats but fail to back them up.


So you think that its cool for white kids to hang nouses, call out racial slurs for free?

from what i read, the students had to do the following, so it wasn't "free":

- isolated at an alternative school for nine days
- two weeks on in-school suspension
- saturday detentions
- attended discipline court
- evaluated before they were able to return to school

no one's saying what the white kids did was right, but what the white kids did doesn't justify or ease the significance of what the jena 6 did.

Were your ancestors hung, dragged, etc,...

not all black people had ancestors who were slaves. i'd guess that nearly 95% have no clue whether or not they had ancestors who were slaves, while nearly 99% seem to claim that they did.

Talk about the group of whites in WV that tourtured the black lady for NOTHING!!! What do you think the sentence should be?

who's saying that this was right? personally i think they should have the maximum thrown at them. whether it's white beating black or black beating white, there should be no excuses.

In Columbus today racial slurs were painted on the condo of a black family for moving in a white complex!!! hum, racism is far from dead[/QUOTE]

who's claiming it's dead? it's definitely not dead, but at the same time every white guy in the world isn't racist.

here's an interesting story......when i was an undergraduate a black organization reported that someone broke into their office and sprayed racial slurs on the walls. this outraged the community.........until it was discovered that two BLACK members of the group where the ones who did the deed. i guess some people are willing to go out of their way to make this a bigger issue.

[austinsm11]

here's an interesting story......when i was an undergraduate a black organization reported that someone broke into their office and sprayed racial slurs on the walls. this outraged the community.........until it was discovered that two BLACK members of the group where the ones who did the deed. i guess some people are willing to go out of their way to make this a bigger issue.

I actually read somewhere that something like 1 in 5/6 crimes like this is actually committed by a black person against a black person.

[austinsm11]

The average punishment for assault is usually probation and at worse 6 months in jail! I would guess something like that is appropriate but to think they should be treated as adults and given any more is crazy.

So you think that its cool for white kids to hang nouses, call out racial slurs for free? It aint cool! BTW---when was the last time a balck man/woman called you a cracker? Were your ancestors hung, dragged, etc,... if you are not Jewish you wouldn't understand what blacks have ben fighting for--- over 400 years!

Talk about the group of whites in WV that tourtured the black lady for NOTHING!!! What do you think the sentence should be?

In Columbus today racial slurs were painted on the condo of a black family for moving in a white complex!!! hum, racism is far from dead---when whites(some) learn that we aint taking it then we can be in harmony---you keep disrespecting us----we can't guarantee that every now and then somebody aint going to get a beatdown! The judicial system should have more harsh penalties for hate crimes and maybe the racism and stuff will cease---to be continued!

Why is it crazy to send them to trial as adults? I know a 16 year and two 15 years who did the exact same thing as this. The person they did it to was unlucky, hit his head, and died. They are going to trial for murder as adults.

Where did I say that it was ok for white kids to hang nooses? Keep putting words into my mouth so that you can "think" you are making a valid argument.

As for the sentence for the whites, I agree with Superbran...punish them to the max, so you have no argument there.


The judicial system should have more harsh penalties for hate crimes and maybe the racism
Absolutely, freakin, hilarious....you mean like when 6 blacks gang up on an unsuspecting white person and beat the crap out of him?

[monte81]

Just throw them in jail with all of us black folks and make you racists happy!!!!

I am done with this thread! No need for stats because I cited REAL cases in my above posts. Any white person who believes racism is dead and whites did or do no wrong ar crazy!! People like you are why the system is flawed and needs changed!

Stay in your hidden world of Massillon and stay in the dark!!!!!!!

[austinsm11]

Just throw them in jail with all of us black folks and make you racists happy!!!!

I am done with this thread! No need for stats because I cited REAL cases in my above posts. Any white person who believes racism is dead and whites did or do no wrong ar crazy!! People like you are why the system is flawed and needs changed!

Stay in your hidden world of Massillon and stay in the dark!!!!!!!

Why won't you answer the questions instead of calling us racists? YOUR POSTS show exactly what makes this whole situation sad. The problem with YOUR POSTS is that you CAN'T/WON'T provide stats because you CAN'T back up your generalizations and you are talking SOLELY on EMOTION. Superbran asked where you got the average prison sentence for assault? Please back it up or shut up.

Again, who said that racism is dead? Please show me somewhere in the thead. You can't, because you just want to get emotional and not accept facts. Show me where someone said that the hanging of nooses was acceptable. Show me where someone said the whites in WV should not go to prison or get a weak sentences? You can't make a good argument so you PUT THINGS IN OUR MOUTHS just so you feel better with your statements.

when was the last time a balck man/woman called you a cracker?
Actually last year if you want me to answer. I've been told that I'm "just too white," as well. When was the last time a person called you (personally) the N word? (And I bet the last time didn't come from a white person)


People like you are why the system is flawed and needs changed!

The system is not flawed because of people like me. I agree that in some areas of the country, blacks are treated worse. But people like me want everything to be EQUAL. People like me don't "claim" to want equal until someone from our race gets in trouble and then make EXCUSES.


you keep disrespecting us----we can't guarantee that every now and then somebody aint going to get a beatdown! The judicial system should have more harsh penalties for hate crimes and maybe the racism and stuff will cease---to be continued!
The funny thing is that the "somebody" who got the beatdown wasn't even involved with the nooses or racial comments. Since this boy was attacked because he was white, why don't you call this incident what it really is...a HATE CRIME. I guess hate crimes can't happen against whites?

However the Jena 6 should be punished but no hard prison time in warranted.
Why should they get no hard time when you later say (with no stats) the average sentence is probation to 6 months? This isn't a simple case of one person hitting another. This is a case of SIX people JUMPING an unsuspecting person. Shouldn't that at least be given the the maximum, which according to you is 6 months? Please don't say that they shouldn't because they were called a racial name or because of the nooses. The boy they jumped had nothing to do with anything said or done previously.

Perhaps you can comment on the outcry from black supporters( such as Sharpton, Jackson, the black community etc.) on a sneaker being considered a deadly weapon. Then read the link that I previously posted where Sharpton rushes to support a black victim where sneakers were considered a deadly weapon used by white people. So a sneaker is a deadly weapon when used against blacks, but not whites? Makes sense. The black community can't have it both ways.

I do not consider myself racist at all. You can think that I am all that you want. I know exactly how I feel, who I hang out with and what race I provide the MOST support to. The fact is that I work with a very poor black (and hispanic) population. Half of them are very supportive of what I do. The other half only tolerate me and the minute I discipline them like anyone else, the race card gets thrown. That, my friend, is what is truly sad. When another race starts getting ahead because they want my help and work hard, then I am racist for not helping the black kids. When a black counselor is run out of a school and called an uncle tom because he wants to help black children get a better education, that my friend is what is sad. When captains of our school cheerleading squad, who happen to be white, are the ones who call the cheers and a black parent turns it into a race issue (the white or asian girls who are not captains don't get to either...and don't complain) because her black daughter doesn't get to call cheers, that is what is sad.

Monte, I agree that racism still exists. But you don't seem to understand that it exists in more ways then just white against black. Where I live, the racism is black on white and black on hispanic. If I drive a little further south, the racism is white on black. I would say, however, that a majority of people in this country want everything to be equal. That means not throwing the race card when you don't get your way. That means taking resposibilities for actions.

[DAWGH8R]

These guys wanted to be the Jenna 20 !!!

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10814416.html

[austinsm11]

These guys wanted to be the Jenna 20 !!!

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10814416.html

I'm sure Sharpton or Jackson or someone will have an excuse to justify this.

[austinsm11]

http://blog.case.edu/james.chang/2007/10/16/hanging_nooses

Could it even be a dumb prank orchestrated by blacks? From one perspective, it would be quite easy and by playing the race card, who would really believe a black person would do such a thing? You may believe it to be improbable, but it is not impossible to discount it.

In her book, the Color of Crime, University of Florida professor Katheryn Russell-Brown, found that blacks perpetrate one in six racial hoaxes

We can also take the behavior of one professor, Houston Baker (now teaching at Vanderbilt). The demagogic Baker excoriated the lacrosse team for their "silent whiteness" and their "white, male, athletic privilege." He called for the "immediate dismissals" by Duke of "the team itself and its players," to combat the "abhorrent sexual assault, verbal racial violence, and drunken white male privilege loosed amongst us." After the innocence of the accused players had become clear, Baker received an email from the mother of a member of the lacrosse team (who hadn't been accused) asking if he would reconsider his earlier statements. Baker responded, by typing "LIES" and indicating that his correspondent was the mother of a "farm animal." Eventually Baker, a post-modernist if nothing else, fell back to arguing that it didn't matter whether the rape allegations were true.



Sharpton and company quickly piled on the innocent students, playing the race card for all it wasn't worth. That's why it's almost comical to hear Sharpton railing against prosecutorial abuse in the Jena case. Sharpton wouldn't grant the presumption of innocence to innocent white students victimized by a rogue prosecutor, yet thinks its the scandal of the century that thuggish black students were overcharged in Jena.

Sharpton has not even apologize to the accused players after they were declared innocent.



Will they stop following the likes of Jackson and Sharpton and stop using the privilege of being a "perpetual victim?"





City and school officials in Jena screamed that the infamous noose hanging incident at the high school was not racial since black students also stuck their heads through the noose.

Did you know that several black people were summoned to be on the jury for Bell's trial but all of them declined to respond?

Did you know that Bell's father and local ministers promised a judge that they would supervise Bell if he was released from prison at a bond hearing in August? But why did they not suggest this in the first place before the assault?

Did you know that the black U.S. attorney, Don Washington, investigated the "Jena Six" case and concluded that the attack on the white student had nothing to do with the noose-hanging incident three months before?

[monte81]

Did the police that beat Rodney King serve days in jail?---NO And how quickly did the media down play the attack in WV!---No comments on that one. Both races do stupid things and the punishment should fit the crime! The beating and deaths in vagas are totally differant from what happpened in Jena. Racial issues have been a problem in Jena for years and it finally boiled over---except that we aint taking no racial BS in the SOuth no more----the youths in Vagas shold get 25 to life for what they did, the WV criminals should get the same, but Jena 6 this issue goes far beyond the jumping from years of injustice---realize the factors in the case.

NO NEED TO PROVIDE STATS WHEN I LIVE AND SEE IT EVERYDAY!!! I cited REAL cases that are in the books!

[austinsm11]

[QUOTE=monte81;81722]Did the police that beat Rodney King serve days in jail?---NO
QUOTE]

Are you sure about that?

[austinsm11]

NO NEED TO PROVIDE STATS WHEN I LIVE AND SEE IT EVERYDAY!!! I cited REAL cases that are in the books!

This is why you have such little credibility. You want to spout off about things you "claim" you know from experience. Why don't READ about the real cases you are talking about.

Why do you say the media downplayed what happened in WV? You say the people in WV should get 25 years but the jena 6 should get no prison, why?

You talk about all this racism in Jena, what do you know about it? I'm sure that you Don't know that the "white" tree used to be a remembrance garden to black and white teachers/students who had died there. Why would such a racist town plant flowers/trees to remember black students?

If the nooses were such a form of racism, seems funny that a black student was seen playing with them. He was so offended that he was playing with them!

[austinsm11]

http://http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/la_riot/article/0,28804,1614117_1614084_1614517,00.html

Powell, Koon, Wind and Ofc. Theodore Briseno's acquittal in a Simi Valley, Calif., court sparked the riots, but a year later, both Powell and Koon were found guilty of violating King's civil rights and sentenced to 30 months in federal prison (Wind and Briseno were acquitted).

I'm not saying they shouldn't have been sentenced to more time, so don't try to put words in my mouth like you are so good at. Only proving how if you would read, you mind find that your "facts" that you live everyday are a little off.

[TigerFan2000]

Monte,

I hope you know that you are debating someone living in HICKORY North Carolina.....Yeah Haw! A community full of cultured and diverse people....Yeah right! You won't win this debate, cuz what he believes is his reality.

You speak from experience and he speaks from what he's been told. This stuff is so old it just makes me sick. People just choose to miss the point.

[austinsm11]

Monte,

I hope you know that you are debating someone living in HICKORY North Carolina.....Yeah Haw! A community full of cultured and diverse people....Yeah right! You won't win this debate, cuz what he believes is his reality.

You speak from experience and he speaks from what he's been told. This stuff is so old it just makes me sick. People just choose to miss the point.

Maybe you will help comment on the inaccuracies of Monte's arguements then.

Um, not sure when the last time you have been here has been, but this is a pretty diverse area. We have black, white, hispanic (from all over Mexico and South America) hmong, etc.

[austinsm11]

It's true because i saw old video of him saying "all a black man could do is shine his shoes"!

Interesting.

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/presley1.asp

[austinsm11]

They might as well where white suits at the Oscars or grammys because the voters of the awards are racist! it took 100plus years for a black to win major categories-----ie Denzel Washington and Hally Berry! You tell me no one was worthy until then? FUNNY!!!

Well, since they haven't been around 100 years, kinda funny.
Then Superbran proves you wrong. Who won best actor in 1963? Perhaps you have heard of Ella Fitzgerald or Count Basie? Maybe look up when they won grammy awards before you once again spout off inaccuracies.

Were there blacks who deserved to win awards but didn't due to racism? I can't say for sure... I didn't live at the time, but I wouldn't doubt it.

I just find it funny how you feel you don't need any sources our statistics becacuse of these facts that you have witnessed and lived through. BTW, what station did you see that video of Elvis on?:poke:

[monte81]

Well, since they haven't been around 100 years, kinda funny.
Then Superbran proves you wrong. Who won best actor in 1963? Perhaps you have heard of Ella Fitzgerald or Count Basie? Maybe look up when they won grammy awards before you once again spout off inaccuracies.

Were there blacks who deserved to win awards but didn't due to racism? I can't say for sure... I didn't live at the time, but I wouldn't doubt it.

I just find it funny how you feel you don't need any sources our statistics becacuse of these facts that you have witnessed and lived through. BTW, what station did you see that video of Elvis on?:poke:

Come on man---Hally Berry and Denzel Wahington were the 1st to win he major award for movies. Supporting actor or actor ---YES! Re check your facts we were not even talking about music---that is one thing you also take alot of credit for that blacks created---Rock and Roll. I stated actual situations which is no need for statistics when I already stated the events. CNN, American Justice have numerous cases that are my stats!!!! Rodney King, the federal drug case in Texas, dragging in Texas, the WV rape and tourture case---ALL FACTS of whites commiting racists attacks on blacks. All I am trying to get you guys to understand that it goes both ways---PERIOD!!!

[austinsm11]

which is no need for statistics when I already stated the events.

Which were WRONG!

What channel did you see the Elvis quote? Haven't answered

[austinsm11]

Re check your facts we were not even talking about music

Check my facts? You brought up the grammys...look at what I quoted from YOU! Are the grammy awards not a music award?

Also, have either of those awards been around for 100 years?

[austinsm11]

Come on man---Hally Berry and Denzel Wahington were the 1st to win he major award for movies.

http://www.distant.ca/UselessFacts/fact.asp?ID=67

Sidney Poitier became the first African-American to win an Oscar award for Best Actor. After receiving his second nomination, at the 36th Academy Awards he won for his roll in the 1963 movie Lilies Of The Field.

Any more of your "facts" you want me to prove wrong?

[austinsm11]

Any more of your "facts" you want me to prove wrong?


How could I forgot your fact that none of the cops involved in the beating of Rodney King went to jail.

You are hilarious.

[austinsm11]

ALL FACTS of whites commiting racists attacks on blacks. All I am trying to get you guys to understand that it goes both ways---PERIOD!!!

Believe me, we do understand. Look at posts my me or Superbran. The people in WV should be locked up for a VERY LONG time.

All we are trying to get you to do is understand both ways as well....6 black kids attacked (wasn't even a fight) a one kid who wasn't involved with the racial tensions beforehand and you feel that they shouldn't do any hard time. Doesn't seem equal, does it?

[monte81]

Believe me, we do understand. Look at posts my me or Superbran. The people in WV should be locked up for a VERY LONG time.

All we are trying to get you to do is understand both ways as well....6 black kids attacked (wasn't even a fight) a one kid who wasn't involved with the racial tensions beforehand and you feel that they shouldn't do any hard time. Doesn't seem equal, does it?


He was not not tourtured, raped,etc,... he was jumped by 6 students who were minors--- give the correct punishment. Like I said similar cases a individual gets probation for the 1st offense and 6 months for the second charged as MINORS!

[austinsm11]

He was not not tourtured, raped,etc,... he was jumped by 6 students who were minors--- give the correct punishment. Like I said similar cases a individual gets probation for the 1st offense and 6 months for the second charged as MINORS!

I agree that he wasn't tortured or raped...I didn't say the 6 should get the same punishment as the WV people, did I?

Perhaps you could show me, with links, similiar cases where they get probabtion for the 1st offense. Your credibility has not been too good so far. What if they had kicked the kid one more time and he died...should they be tried as adults then?

[austinsm11]

BTW, who was the first black oscar winner for best actor?

[monte81]

BTW, who was the first black oscar winner for best actor?

I already know the answer! I am alitttle in tuned about my black culture and do not need to trade ANYMORE! You feel your way, I cited REAL case and I am done with this thread.

[austinsm11]

I already know the answer! I am alitttle in tuned about my black culture and do not need to trade ANYMORE! You feel your way, I cited REAL case and I am done with this thread.

Hally Berry and Denzel Wahington were the 1st to win he major award for movies.

And you were WRONG! Usually when I am wrong I man up and admit it, but I guess that is too hard for you. Sad.

Why is it that all of your "REAL" cases you can't/won't prove? Maybe has to do with all of your inaccuracies that you have witnessed and lived through.

Here are the reasons you you are done with the thread (BTW, I thought you were done with it before):

You witnessed Elvis making racist comments on some video. PROVEN WRONG! This one is the funniest because your claim to not have to give stats or links to facts is because you have lived the life. Maybe you weren't paying attention while you lived it.

You claim that none of the cops who beat Rodney King did jail time. Proven wrong

You talk about racism in the oscars and grammys over their 100 years of giving awards. (BTW, I agree that some blacks were probably denied awards due to race)
1. The awards haven't been around that long
2. When Superbran proves you wrong, you change the question to Best Actor/Actress instead of major categories
3. You "claim" Denzel and Halle were the first to win. Actually it was Sidney Poitier. If you already knew the answer, why did you say Denzel? Then you look even more silly talking about being in tune with your black culture when I proved you wrong (I'm not saying you aren't, just looks funny saying that after being proven wrong
4. You were the first to bring up the Grammy awards. When I asked if you have heard of a few black artists who won major categories in the first years of the awards, you tell me to "check my facts, we weren't talking about music," even though you were the one I quoted it from (something to the effect of people wearing all white to the oscars and grammys

All of this proves you have absolutely ZERO CREDIBILITY when making statements without backing them up. Why would I or anyone else believe you without some stats/links to the facts when you have been PROVEN WRONG about all your other "facts?"

Here is the kicker. I told you the last time I was called a cracker was (In fact, one of my players was called a cracker in our game last week...maybe I should have sent my entire team after the kid to beat the kids ass.). I also told you about being told that I was "just to white." I asked you when the last time someone called you personally the n word was (and not coming from another black person). You didn't answer. You can go ahead and make something up now, I won't believe you becuase you avoided that big question to start with and you have no credibility at this point. I bet the last time a white person called you that was while you were watching your racist Elvis video LOL( BTW, why don't you actually READ and do some research about Elvis and you will probably see he was not even close to being racist and support many of the black artists at the time).

This is why white people get so tired of these types of things. There is still racism in this country...nobody will deny that. What blacks seem to ignore is that racism does in fact come from blacks (as well as every other race). Blacks also seem enjoy throwing the race card everytime they get in trouble. Maybe whites would have more sympathy if the race card wasn't thrown everytime a black didn't get their way.


AND, if the whole Jena issue was really about race...Why were there no marches and national media called in, etc. after the nooses were hung and it was felt an improper punishment was given? Why was their no Al or Jesse after the blacks were "attacked" at the "all white party?" Instead they wait until one of their own is in trouble, then it is a racial issue.
(what's funny is that they want it to be about race...which would really make the 6 black kids jumping the one white kid for no other reason than his race a hate crime)

[pnthrfan]

OMG... Does it really matter who won the academy awards? The fact of the matter is racism exists all over this country of ours. It is past down from generation to generation. That goes for white people and black people.

If you watched any of the coverage from the Jena 6 on the news....whether it was MSNBC, FOX NEWS, or CNN. You would have seen that Jena Louisiana has been a hot bed for racism long long long before the Jena 6 happened. This incident was the straw that broke the camels back.

I was taught when growing up to NEVER judge a person by the color of their skin, and I have done that throughout my life. I have instilled those values and beliefs in my own children. My boys know that there are two types of people in the world.....good and bad, not black and white, and if everybody in this world would have been taught that lesson, just think what a better place we would all be living in.

[austinsm11]

OMG... Does it really matter who won the academy awards? The fact of the matter is racism exists all over this country of ours. It is past down from generation to generation. That goes for white people and black people.

If you watched any of the coverage from the Jena 6 on the news....whether it was MSNBC, FOX NEWS, or CNN. You would have seen that Jena Louisiana has been a hot bed for racism long long long before the Jena 6 happened. This incident was the straw that broke the camels back.

I was taught when growing up to NEVER judge a person by the color of their skin, and I have done that throughout my life. I have instilled those values and beliefs in my own children. My boys know that there are two types of people in the world.....good and bad, not black and white, and if everybody in this world would have been taught that lesson, just think what a better place we would all be living in.


No, it doesn't matter who won the awards...just proving this guy has no credibility and makes up stories to back his claims and doesn't have the balls to admit when he is wrong.

As far as the stories you watched on the news, I really haven't seen them. I honestly only heard of what was going on about 3 months ago when a coworker brought it up. There probably is racism that goes on in that town...but don't you think exaggerating the story by the national media will get more attention and more viewers. There are many blacks in the town of Jena that claim that there was no such thing as a white tree, that all kids sat under it. They say the racial issues did not exist in the town. Other blacks claim they couldn't get jobs (or similiar situations) because of their skin color. They say the police are slower to respond to houses of black people when complaints are made. The fact is that none of us outsiders will really know the exact TRUTH when we don't live there. The TRUTH lies somewhere in the middle. I have read so many conflicting articles that it is hard to know what to believe.

I have actually done research to come up with my own conclusions. I don't spout off the top of my head "history" that I think happened. I don't make up stories to back my claims.

Pntherfan, I agree that racism exists and comes from all races. I agree that it still exists. I, personally, just get tired of all of the whining and crying from black people when they fail to admit and realize all of the racism they create. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. I have been called a cracker by black students and told that I am too white. I realize that this ugliness comes from their ignorant parents. I have to talk to a white player about ignoring the black player who just called him a cracker. I have been questioned by black parents and looked at funny when I actually discipline their child.

Do you know how amazing it was to finally hear a black parent stop making excuses and actually say that "we, as a black community, have failed our children."

[austinsm11]

IMO, this is what happened:
Two nooses were hung as a prank. The kids are disciplined from school (OSS, ISS, Saturday detention, counseling) but many blacks feel it wasn't enough. Many of the students, both black and white, had no idea that the noose had a negative racial meaning until their parents got fired up and the hate started to spread amongst the kids.

Things cooled off somewhat and when 3 of the Jena six tried to enter a party they were not invited to. This was not an all white party like the Als and Jesse's or national media want you to believe. Perhaps they were not wanted because one of them has been in trouble several times for assault and battery. They will not leave, so a 20-something white guy hits one of them (no evidence of using a beer bottle). At this point the black guy looks like a wimp, so he is looking for someone to beat up and make himself look tough and confronts a white guy a gas station. They steal the white guy's gun.

Then a day or two later, I have a feeling the white victim may have joked about the black boy getting beat up at the party. Instead of handling it one on one and it being a real "school yard fight" like the media is portraying, the black kid gets 5 of his friends to sneak up on the kid from behind and sucker punch him. Way to prove your manhood! Getting the shit beat out of you by 6 kids is NOT a schoolyard fight. Had it not been for a witness stepping in, who knows how much longer the six would have continued to kick the boy in the head?

The six blacks are arrested. Witnesses said that the white victim lay lifeless when the paramedics came. The DA probably wanted to make a point because he had mentioned in a school assembly that the students should call him before doing anything stupid and that he could ruin their lives with a stroke of a pen. (media says it was directed at the black students and that the black and white students were segregated at this assembly. They say he looked directly at the black students while saying this. The truth is that the students were not segregated. The DA said he was getting upset because some white girls were actually not paying attention and playing with their phones and he made the statement to get their attention).

Because the victim looked so bad (as though laying lifeless) and feeling that he needed to back up his earlier statements, the DA charges them with attempted murder. He also feels, and probably justifiably so, that the victim could have died had the one witness not intervened even though the injuries turn out to be not as bad as first thought. One of the six actually has a very violent past and has punched a girl in the face before. Considering that he has a violent past and that he felt the charges could have been attempted murder, the DA charges him and the others as adults, which is allowed under LA law.

Blacks are outraged that sneakers are considered the weapon (what they don't know is that Al is backing a case, I believe in NY, where two whites kicked the crap out of a black...and guess what the weapon is... a sneaker. You can't have it both ways.) They feel that because the white victim was out of the hospital so quickly, that he wasn't injured that badly and attempted murder was too harsh of a charge. To that, I ask how injured is a person who is shot at and the bullets just miss his/her head? The issue is intent, not how injured the victim was.

My personal opinion is that the attempted murder charge is too much, but I do see how/why they could be charged with it. I don't believe it was a harsher charge because they were black...probably just the DA trying to show who was in charge and backing up his earlier threats. I do think that the one boy in particular should have been charged as an adult due to all of his previous assault and battery charges. The other boys should be expelled and be in a juvenile detention center.

[pnthrfan]

Do you know how amazing it was to finally hear a black parent stop making excuses and actually say that "we, as a black community, have failed our children."

Are you able to see that there are many many white people that should be saying "we as a white community have failed our children"?

My point is, it doesn't matter what color these kids are, unless things change they are all destined to live in a world full of racism like myself, and you and others in the past and the present all have grown up in.

In the grand scheme of things....does it really matter whether someone has "facts" to back up what they are saying on an internet forum ?? NO, because 9 times out of 10, someone on here would say their facts were skewed.

Like I said before.....we all know that racism exisits, and it is up to us to start with our children to make a difference.

[austinsm11]

Are you able to see that there are many many white people that should be saying "we as a white community have failed our children"?

My point is, it doesn't matter what color these kids are, unless things change they are all destined to live in a world full of racism like myself, and you and others in the past and the present all have grown up in.

In the grand scheme of things....does it really matter whether someone has "facts" to back up what they are saying?? NO, because 9 times out of 10, someone would say their facts were skewed.

Like I said before.....we all know that racism exisits, and it is up to us to start with our children to make a difference.

I do feel that there are places where the white community has let their white children down. I'm sure that many white people are willing to admit this. How many black people are? That is where the problem lies.

In the grand scheme of things, the "facts" do matter. The TRUTH does matter. Perhaps the fact that Monte doesn't realize that blacks commit more crimes than other races proves that the black community is not willing to face the facts. Perhaps the willingness to blame it on lawyers shows a lack of understanding and a denial of TRUTH.

Maybe you are onto something about the facts and statistics not mattering. This is probably why so many blacks are against Bill Cosby. He backs up the TRUTH with facts that the black community doesn't want to hear.

[massillon catholic]

White man gets caught with 1oz. of cocaine he gets 6 months, black man gets caught with 1oz. of crack he gets 3 years! Whats the differance?


One is powder cocaine and one is rock cocaine. Two differant sentencing laws for two differant types of cocaine.

[massillon catholic]

The whole premise behind BET is racist. What does the BET stand for? Substitute the B with a W and see what happens. The same with Black Music awards, Black History month and other things similar. What is it that black people want, seperation like their tv shows and award shows suggest or unity with all people? It can't be both ways.

[austinsm11]

One is powder cocaine and one is rock cocaine. Two differant sentencing laws for two differant types of cocaine.

Good one MC...hadn't caught that one.

[TigerFan2000]

Do you know how amazing it was to finally hear a black parent stop making excuses and actually say that "we, as a black community, have failed our children."

WTF does that mean? Your opinions about black families were verified by a black parent, so you can make the statement now? Are you saying that white parents all own up to "failing their children" and most black parents don't? Your long and overdone rants continue to expose who you are. Keep at it....You are beginning to make a lot of us sick!:puke:

[TigerFan2000]

The whole premise behind BET is racist. What does the BET stand for? Substitute the B with a W and see what happens. The same with Black Music awards, Black History month and other things similar. What is it that black people want, seperation like their tv shows and award shows suggest or unity with all people? It can't be both ways.

Oh, you are joing Austinsm11 and his rants? Have you ever posted anything nice? Everything I read from you is full of hate and anger. You really need to get a life and find a hobby.

[TigerFan2000]

One is powder cocaine and one is rock cocaine. Two differant sentencing laws for two differant types of cocaine.

Exactly the point. Powder is the cocaine of choice for the white man and rock for the black man. Both are cocaine, but each receives different sentencing guidelines. :scratchchin:

[CarlE]

Exactly the point. Powder is the cocaine of choice for the white man and rock for the black man. Both are cocaine, but each receives different sentencing guidelines. :scratchchin:

No white people use crack? Damn that is one HELL of a generalization.

[TigerFan2000]

No white people use crack? Damn that is one HELL of a generalization.

Generalization? Yes, of course. Isn't that the theme here. Most of the posters here seem to use generalizations as a standard when posting. Why not question them?

[austinsm11]

Here is a thought:

Instead of being a victim, why not chose to avoid doing something ILLEGAL!

[monte81]

Austin-----Rodney King is not a real case, WV women being tortured are real real either, what about you Texas dragging, texas 30+ wrongful drug convictions in one town, hundreds and maybe thousands of racial killings over the years! ALL FACTS!! The judicial system is flawed and whites will continue to be flat out racists if we let them. Jena is RACIST and alot of you that have posted on this thread is starting to show your real side!

people like you love us when we are doing you favors ie,.... scoring Td's for your Tigers, lawn work, construction but once we have a issue with your acts of racism and misguided feelings toward anything----we are ignorant, dumb, etc,... just as I thought I wanted to move home--some peoples true feelings come to light. I think i might send my LB to McKinley to play with his own kind since so many have such a problem in Massillon!!!!! Same reasons why I HATE the buckeyes--- they hated my brother and made his family uncomfortable for being married to a rich white girl!!!

Denzel and Berry are the first to win best actor/actress not in a supporting role!

[austinsm11]

Denzel and Berry are the first to win best actor/actress not in a supporting role!

Still WRONG. Will you please do some research before spouting off? I know it isn't relevant , but you are really looking stilly. I even posted a link to show you. Would you like me to post more links? Halle was the first actress but Denzel was NOT the first actor.

Here you go once again:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmfirsts.html

Oscar, Best Actor/Actress: Sidney Poitier, 1963, Lilies of the Field; Halle Berry, 2001, Monster's Ball.

[austinsm11]

Austin-----Rodney King is not a real case, WV women being tortured are real real either, what about you Texas dragging, texas 30+ wrongful drug convictions in one town, hundreds and maybe thousands of racial killings over the years! ALL FACTS!! The judicial system is flawed and whites will continue to be flat out racists if we let them. Jena is RACIST and alot of you that have posted on this thread is starting to show your real side!

people like you love us when we are doing you favors ie,.... scoring Td's for your Tigers, lawn work, construction but once we have a issue with your acts of racism and misguided feelings toward anything----we are ignorant, dumb, etc,... just as I thought I wanted to move home--some peoples true feelings come to light. I think i might send my LB to McKinley to play with his own kind since so many have such a problem in Massillon!!!!! Same reasons why I HATE the buckeyes--- they hated my brother and made his family uncomfortable for being married to a rich white girl!!!

Denzel and Berry are the first to win best actor/actress not in a supporting role!

What do you mean that Rodney King was not a real case? Please explain.

You keep stating the same things over and over and you don't seem to comprehend that I AGREE with some of what you say. I AGREE that there is still racism in the US. I AGREE that many towns, especially in the south, still are behind the times and stuck with racist people against blacks. I agree that the white guys in WV should be in jail for as long as the law will allow.

I am TIRED of all the excuses when a black man doesn't get his way. Again, if the blacks were so upset about the nooses in Jena, why not start the protests and rallies then? Instead they wait until their boys are in trouble and the "claim" it was linked to the nooses. The fact is that it wasn't. I'm not saying the people in Jena are racist or not racist. There are probably both...just like most towns in the US.

[austinsm11]

people like you love us when we are doing you favors ie,.... scoring Td's for your Tigers, lawn work, construction but once we have a issue with your acts of racism and misguided feelings toward anything----we are ignorant, dumb, etc,... just as I thought I wanted to move home--some peoples true feelings come to light. I think i might send my LB to McKinley to play with his own kind since so many have such a problem in Massillon!!!!! Same reasons why I HATE the buckeyes--- they hated my brother and made his family uncomfortable for being married to a rich white girl!!!



People like me??? Please. Come down here and spend a day with all of kids that I help on a daily basis...black, white, hispanic, hmong.

What favors? You mean black people are mowing lawns and doing construction for free?


--some peoples true feelings come to light. I think i might send my LB to McKinley to play with his own kind since so many have such a problem in Massillon!!!!!
You are right about true feelings coming to light. To play with his own kind (what kind is that?)...very interesting. All of us white racists here in Massillon....but there are none at McKinley? Wow. The true feelings are coming out. As well as the ignorance.

You say there is racism all over and would allow your kid to play at McKinley because you think there is racism in Massillon but not McKinley. How is it that the entire US is against black people except McKinley?

[monte81]

People like me??? Please. Come down here and spend a day with all of kids that I help on a daily basis...black, white, hispanic, hmong.

What favors? You mean black people are mowing lawns and doing construction for free?



You are right about true feelings coming to light. To play with his own kind (what kind is that?)...very interesting. All of us white racists here in Massillon....but there are none at McKinley? Wow. The true feelings are coming out. As well as the ignorance.

You say there is racism all over and would allow your kid to play at McKinley because you think there is racism in Massillon but not McKinley. How is it that the entire US is against black people except McKinley?

YOU keep throwing up ignorance---I am ignorant because I feel that the Jena 6 do not deserve long jail sentences!!! FUNNY! What about in Georgia---the black kid just released from jail after 2 years. He was 17 and slept with 15 year old white girl. Her parents pushed the issue because he was black. Was the jail time warranted???NO but he served 2 years missing out on football schollies and YES he was an honor student!!!
Again, you miss the point-- not alot of favortism in bulldog country on the subject of race but never said NO racists are in Canton.

it is good that you have helped people of all races in what you believe. I do the same regardless of race. In my profession all I see is Americans and in coaching all I see is football players.
His own kind-----alot more African Americans at McKinley and I made the statement because if you cant see the racism in Jena, La you cant see the real problems with the football program(s) in Stark County. Massillon has never played the best 11 and alot of times the black kids are bunched into the same positions causing the stuff. Posters on here have the problem with blacks---you never see threads started by blacks on racial issues and injustices because most of you cant look outside the box of your neighborhood!