Massillon's image

[hartville tiger]

Suppose Massillon won titles in 1972,80,82,91,02,05 how would surrounding schools view us. Would these schools still accuse us of being cheaters?

[Marie]

Other schools will always hate us. They are just jealous of our history and tradition.

[hartville tiger]

Other schools will always hate us. They are just jealous of our history and tradition.

You are so right!

[npaflas]

They proably would have been call cheating titles. But who cares Massillon always. BEAT WARREN

[man2man]

I don't get this whole thread.

[Spize]

I don't get this whole thread.


I don't get... you.

[orangeblood]

Amen to that.

[Kamd50]

I don't get... you.

:offtopic:

[obie2000]

Speaking of Massillon's image ..... I am in Denver right now and I was at the airport and a man came up to me and asked if that was the Massillon Tiger's from Ohio? I replied yes it is! And his reply back was that was a dumb question I dont think there is anothe Massillon Tiger team out there. We talked abit and he told me that when him and his buddies get together and talk High School football (He is from Missouri) they always bring up "Americas best high school football game Massillon-McKinley" .... they would love to witness this game played in Massillon and so we exchanged numbers and next year we will have a few visitors from Missouri in Massillon!!!!!

[Tiger54]

Speaking of Massillon's image ..... I am in Denver right now and I was at the airport and a man came up to me and asked if that was the Massillon Tiger's from Ohio? I replied yes it is! And his reply back was that was a dumb question I dont think there is anothe Massillon Tiger team out there. We talked abit and he told me that when him and his buddies get together and talk High School football (He is from Missouri) they always bring up "Americas best high school football game Massillon-McKinley" .... they would love to witness this game played in Massillon and so we exchanged numbers and next year we will have a few visitors from Missouri in Massillon!!!!!
Thanks so much for this wonderful story. I too have one like that. Years and years ago my family and I visited Colorado. I was on the top of one of their beautiful mountains where there were a lot of sight-seers. I was wearing my MTSB jacket and someone yelled "Massillon Tiger Swing Band---that's where they have that wonderful football." And then went on about our wonderful football program. THAT is why these other schools are jealous of us. We have the history and tradition that these other schools will never have. And we are known all over the country. WE should all be proud of that---and the present Tiger players should realize that this is the kind of tradition that they are carrying on. GO TIGERS!

[go obie 1989]

Suppose Massillon won titles in 1972,80,82,91,02,05 how would surrounding schools view us. Would these schools still accuse us of being cheaters?

Yes they would still accuse us of cheating. It was a fact and we got caught. We will never live that down. Actually they would probably bring it up more often.

Other schools will always hate us. They are just jealous of our history and tradition.

They do not hate us for our history and tradition. The little respect we get is because of our history and tradition. They hate our fans not the program.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

They do not hate us for our history and tradition. The little respect we get is because of our history and tradition. They hate our fans not the program.

No kidding.

Many of the long time posters on here, that consider themselves to be something special, go onto other websites and make us look like a bunch of assholes.

They think that they are "defending" Massillon.
What a joke.

:puke:

[hrmjenl]

I travel somewhat frequently for work and refuse to "dress up" when I'm going to be on an airplane most of the day. So I throw on a Tiger shirt/jacket and some sweats and off I go. Inevitably, at least one person, recognizes the name and makes a comment, asks a question "Massillon, hear they play some football up there" or "Massillon Tigers, how's the team this year?" "Are all the stories true, live tiger, footballs in cribs etc".

I even had someone try to buy my orange Massillon Football shirt in the airport in Chicago! lol don't think they would've let me on my connecting flight without it!!!!

[Smitty]

The "image" of Massillon -- outside of Ohio -- is just fine.

It's the neighbors & such that have a problem with who & what Massillon is....

... like, the attitudes from Jackson & Hoover; the idiots in Cincinnati that think THEY invented HS football, certain past OHSAA administrator(s) with a chip on their shoulder....

:weightlift:

[TigerLily]

Our image is just fine to me. Not everyone likes us, but that’s o.k (that’s their problem). You know what they say about “when they stop talking about you”?

We’ve always noticed too that when we wear our Massillon gear out and about, it seems to always prompt some kind of comment (some good..and some not so good). Especially when we wear it at the play-offs or the state basketball tournaments.

It does draw attention. Now, does the same apply if you wear something from any of the other area schools? Don’t think so. At least not on the same level.

And, even in a tough year, we should still wear our “Massillon Stuff” with pride. Oh, and you have to have some stuff on your car too. Love people looking at my car and knowing exactly where I’m from and what I stand for -- THE TIGERS!!!

http://www.mentaljokes.com/images/ssimg0079_small.gifTHOSE TIGERS

[LLRose]

I think everyone needs to get some perspective.

The image of Massillon's Football Program ifrom pre 1980s is NOT what it is today. If anyone thought it was the same during the 80s or 90s was completely misguided.

The lack of an OHSAA Football State Championship.......... is what it is. It has negatively impacted the image around the state of Ohio regarding Massillon football. Massillon is now considered a pay day for state powers due to the excellent internal fan base and consistent open dates on its schedule.

Locally, the consistent stream of transfers (right or wrong) negatively impacts the image of the program. Massillon fans wouldn't be happy if young Tigers transferred to Central if it was a large catholic school like an Iggy or Ed's.

Lastly, the consistent turn over of coaches make outsiders laugh at the Tiger program. All if not every Ohio HS power since the 80s that have won state championships have done it with coaching continuity. People outside of Massillon perceive Massillon fans as KooKoo for running coaches out of town because the strategy hasn't worked in the past. Some misguided fans even wear the fact they can run coaches out of town as a badge of honor. What a great example of cutting your nose off to spite your face. All in all, Massillon lives off of a reputation of the program built generations ago. Sad but true.

[mike_da_man13]

I think everyone needs to get some perspective.

The image of Massillon's Football Program ifrom pre 1980s is NOT what it is today. If anyone thought it was the same during the 80s or 90s was completely misguided.

The lack of an OHSAA Football State Championship.......... is what it is. It has negatively impacted the image around the state of Ohio regarding Massillon football. Massillon is now considered a pay day for state powers due to the excellent internal fan base and consistent open dates on its schedule.

Locally, the consistent stream of transfers (right or wrong) negatively impacts the image of the program. Massillon fans wouldn't be happy if young Tigers transferred to Central if it was a large catholic school like an Iggy or Ed's.

Lastly, the consistent turn over of coaches make outsiders laugh at the Tiger program. All if not every Ohio HS power since the 80s that have won state championships have done it with coaching continuity. People outside of Massillon perceive Massillon fans as KooKoo for running coaches out of town because the strategy hasn't worked in the past. Some misguided fans even wear the fact they can run coaches out of town as a badge of honor. What a great example of cutting your nose off to spite your face. All in all, Massillon lives off of a reputation of the program built generations ago. Sad but true.
ill be sure to tell coach spect and the boys at x you need to be coaching for a long time before you can win a state championship.... What you posted is bull alot of area players flock to massillon because of the reputation, when we went on baseball trips people always wanted to talk massillon football. i would say were more like the boston redsox the team thats always there but finds a way to miss out.
blaming it on the transfers? horrible philosophy you have to learn to work with people you dont like in life. your not always going to like your co-worker. sounds more like loser talk to me.

[tiger74]

Locally, the consistent stream of transfers (right or wrong) negatively impacts the image of the program. WOW this is so stupid when you take into account that the pups have kids coming to there program too {tabron}. In 99 perry had a kid on there team from massillon that transfered. Another thing that is sad is local schools talking smack about are program yet don't have the balls too play us!!! People live in a dream world thinking that WE are the only county team to get kids.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

People are always going to deride Massillon 95% of the time. But you can't pay attention to that and I don't think Massillon fans need to worry about who is deriding them and why.

If people want to do that kind of thing, that is their business and there are places to do that but MassillonProud.com isn't one of those. Most detractors wouldn't be willing to come on here and do that...not if they want to deal with the Seekers, the Obiefans, the gotigers1s, the Kamd50s and so on...but the message is pretty lucid here.

Massillon needs to worry about Massillon. Massillon knows what they can do...they just need to be Massillon and forget their detractors.

[LLRose]

ill be sure to tell coach spect and the boys at x you need to be coaching for a long time before you can win a state championship.... What you posted is bull alot of area players flock to massillon because of the reputation, when we went on baseball trips people always wanted to talk massillon football. i would say were more like the boston redsox the team thats always there but finds a way to miss out.
blaming it on the transfers? horrible philosophy you have to learn to work with people you dont like in life. your not always going to like your co-worker. sounds more like loser talk to me.

I wouldn't be to quick to ask Coach Spect how long he's been at the school, I'd hate for you to make a fool out of yourself.

(From the St. X web site)
Coach Specht, a 1986 graduate of St. Xavier, enters his 14th season with the Bombers, his 4th as the Head Coach.
Also the didn't run the former coach out of town. Continuity matter, if you don't think so you have limited perspective.

Friend that is coaching continuity. We may want to try it, it works for every other dominate program around the state.

The point of the thread was regarding Massillon's image. The "flock" of transfers is perceived as negative by others in terms of the program's image.

I's say we're more like the Chicago Cubs rather than the Boston Red Sox.

[tiger embalmer]

The funny thing is that even without a chmapionship since 1970 and with McK winning 5 since 1970 Massillon still sets the standard for area schools.

[LLRose]

Locally, the consistent stream of transfers (right or wrong) negatively impacts the image of the program. WOW this is so stupid when you take into account that the pups have kids coming to there program too {tabron}. In 99 perry had a kid on there team from massillon that transfered. Another thing that is sad is local schools talking smack about are program yet don't have the balls too play us!!! People live in a dream world thinking that WE are the only county team to get kids.

You mean Perry in 1999 had "a" kid transfer? You're referring to "one", "uno", "single", "non-plural"?

I never said Massillon is the only school that gets kids, you did. Justifying the big names that have transfered over the years with some single player here and there lacksl perspective.

If Central received a "steady" flow of transfers from Massillon you'd have a different perspective.

FYI, I'm not from a local school that talks smack and doesn't have the balls to play anyone.

[man2man]

I think everyone needs to get some perspective.

The image of Massillon's Football Program ifrom pre 1980s is NOT what it is today. If anyone thought it was the same during the 80s or 90s was completely misguided.

The lack of an OHSAA Football State Championship.......... is what it is. It has negatively impacted the image around the state of Ohio regarding Massillon football. Massillon is now considered a pay day for state powers due to the excellent internal fan base and consistent open dates on its schedule.

Locally, the consistent stream of transfers (right or wrong) negatively impacts the image of the program. Massillon fans wouldn't be happy if young Tigers transferred to Central if it was a large catholic school like an Iggy or Ed's.

Lastly, the consistent turn over of coaches make outsiders laugh at the Tiger program. All if not every Ohio HS power since the 80s that have won state championships have done it with coaching continuity. People outside of Massillon perceive Massillon fans as KooKoo for running coaches out of town because the strategy hasn't worked in the past. Some misguided fans even wear the fact they can run coaches out of town as a badge of honor. What a great example of cutting your nose off to spite your face. All in all, Massillon lives off of a reputation of the program built generations ago. Sad but true.

Best post on the board. Factual and reality based. Of course, you will be torn to shreds by some :sour:

Coach Stacy is a good football coach who has assembled one of if not the most qualified coaching staffs in the state. To dump them all because they are not "Massillon" enough would be shortsighted.

Firing coaches because of "pressure" is becoming a tradition - one that should not be upheld.

[man2man]

Many of the long time posters on here, that consider themselves to be something special, go onto other websites and make us look like a bunch of assholes. They think that they are "defending" Massillon. What a joke. :puke:

Amen to that.

[mike_da_man13]

I wouldn't be to quick to ask Coach Spect how long he's been at the school, I'd hate for you to make a fool out of yourself.

(From the St. X web site)
Coach Specht, a 1986 graduate of St. Xavier, enters his 14th season with the Bombers, his 4th as the Head Coach.
Also the didn't run the former coach out of town. Continuity matter, if you don't think so you have limited perspective.

Friend that is coaching continuity. We may want to try it, it works for every other dominate program around the state.

The point of the thread was regarding Massillon's image. The "flock" of transfers is perceived as negative by others in terms of the program's image.

I's say we're more like the Chicago Cubs rather than the Boston Red Sox.
give me a break about the massillon image it is fine were better now then we were in the 90's we just dont line the schedule with softy's like in the rose era. heres a little something to think about a discussion with a fellow classmate from college who went to mentor.
"Ha Ha we beat you guys" mentor grad
"you guys are 3x's our size" i replied
but the mentor grad shut me up here "but you guys are massillon."
just something to think about our team is still thought about as a state power we lost a lot of that status/respect during the rose era actually more so than the shepas/stacey era's.

[werperry]

Yes they would still accuse us of cheating. It was a fact and we got caught. We will never live that down. Actually they would probably bring it up more often.



They do not hate us for our history and tradition. The little respect we get is because of our history and tradition. They hate our fans not the program.

i'm happy to see some within the massillon family recognize this...because that is exactly the reason why most dislike massillon.

massillon WAS caught, and put on probation. numerous stories about "redshirting", recruiting...etc. etc. ...whether those rumors were true or not, ALWAYS gave a negative impression.

...and let's not forget the "crazy fans". the Marion Harding incident comes to mind...and the chatboards are a littered with examples.

...not sure if anyone is jealous of your history, past championships and facilities...there might be. but, it's a small amount of people.

frankly, it's too bad. the history and tradition seemed to be tarnished because of all the ancillary junk that goes on. while i do not like massillon...i do respect it's people, and the great tradition with paul brown, etc....

Go Perry

[Obie Wan]

Many of the long time posters on here, that consider themselves to be something special, go onto other websites and make us look like a bunch of assholes. They think that they are "defending" Massillon. What a joke.
Amen to that.Amen to that.

On the other hand, there are those posters pretend to be Massillon fans on this site, only to trash the team elsewhere.

As for what folks from Northwest or somewhere think about Massillon: F 'em. It doesn't matter.

[Kamd50]

On the other hand, there are those posters pretend to be Massillon fans on this site, only to trash the team elsewhere.

As for what folks from Northwest or somewhere think about Massillon: F 'em. It doesn't matter.

No kidding. Who gives a flying leap what in the heck other area schools or their fans think of Massillon? I never have, never will, care one miniscule bit. And absolutely No one I know does either. :notlistening:
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[JakeGiant]

The funny thing is that even without a chmapionship since 1970 and with McK winning 5 since 1970 Massillon still sets the standard for area schools.


Gary Jeter, on Perry-McKinley telecast, thought otherwise. He said Perry Panthers. :stars:

[tigergirl]

This kinda fits into this conversation..... Tonight I was on the phone with Verizon straightening out our bill and she asked me where I was calling from. I told her, Massillon, Ohio, and she said "Ah, Great football town, huh?". She told me she was in PA but I never got to ask her how she knew of Massillon.:thumbsup:

[LLRose]

give me a break about the massillon image it is fine were better now then we were in the 90's we just dont line the schedule with softy's like in the rose era. heres a little something to think about a discussion with a fellow classmate from college who went to mentor.
"Ha Ha we beat you guys" mentor grad
"you guys are 3x's our size" i replied
but the mentor grad shut me up here "but you guys are massillon."
just something to think about our team is still thought about as a state power we lost a lot of that status/respect during the rose era actually more so than the shepas/stacey era's.

Off topic

This isn't s Jack Rose debate, sorry I'm not playing.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

Everyone always has a bad word to say about Massillon, I don't know why. Who even knows for that matter. But I know how Massillon fans really are and I know how they all are really like. I've been around them long enough to know so I just overlook the negative innuendo that people say about Massillon.

Not even CarlE saying my post was the most ludicrous in the history of MassillonProud.com regarding Massillon fans in the "Criminal Charges in Perry/Central game" thread can take away the respect I have for them (nothing personal CarlE :laughing:).

Massillon has always possessed a classy fan base. And you Kamd50 happen to be one of the 95% that have class!

[tig62]

recruiting...etc. etc. ...whether those rumors were true or not, ALWAYS gave a negative impression.


And the winner is; Perry for never having been caught recruiting for their wrestling program.(lol)

[Seeker]

And the winner is; Perry for never having been caught recruiting for their wrestling program.(lol)
:lol: :drinkem:

[werperry]

And the winner is; Perry for never having been caught recruiting for their wrestling program.(lol)

true...massillon was caught. but, as usual you conveniently forgot the surrounding circumstances at massillon - redshirting and the 'win at all cost' mentality that was alive and well in massillon.

the open enrollment policy in ohio is a slippery slope when talking about recruiting. ...and YES, that creates all sorts of questions with perry's wrestling program, hoover's softball/girls basketball program, etc...but, it creates even MORE suspicion around massillon's program...because of your history. don't blame me for stating the obvious...

i was not trying to stir anything with my first post - only giving you an outsiders view of massillon. oh well, i should expect that from some massillon posters.....and moderators. :oops:

[ChronicTiger]

...but, it creates even MORE suspicion around massillon's program...because of your history. don't blame me for stating the obvious...



It only creates MORE suspicion because your an outsider, to me the most filthy program around is Perry wrestling.........from the win at all cost attitude to the transfers to the conduct of the coaches.....PATHETIC.

:thanx:

[Tigerslover96]

true...massillon was caught. but, as usual you conveniently forgot the surrounding circumstances at massillon - redshirting and the 'win at all cost' mentality that was alive and well in massillon.

the open enrollment policy in ohio is a slippery slope when talking about recruiting. ...and YES, that creates all sorts of questions with perry's wrestling program, hoover's softball/girls basketball program, etc...but, it creates even MORE suspicion around massillon's program...because of your history. don't blame me for stating the obvious...

i was not trying to stir anything with my first post - only giving you an outsiders view of massillon. oh well, i should expect that from some massillon posters.....and moderators. :oops:


Too all the Perry haters (and everyone else that is anti-Massillon)...

Don't Hate...Appreciate! We are MASSILLON!

[slob55]

true...massillon was caught. but, as usual you conveniently forgot the surrounding circumstances at massillon - redshirting and the 'win at all cost' mentality that was alive and well in massillon.


I didn't realize there were rules against redshirting. Even if there was, I don't recall anyone doing it since 1995. Get over it.
You're bashing a win at all cost mentality? We're not talking about your children's church league soccer team where everyone is a winner. This is high school football in Ohio.
Wake up.
You're posts are a joke.

[Seeker]

... oh well, i should expect that from some massillon posters.....and moderators. :oops:

Yes, because this is not "PerryProud".

This is our house.

We know what we are, and what people chose to think about us.

I know what Perry is, and what I chose to think about them.

And WHEN will you be able to separate my personal posts from my moderator posts?

[Tigerslover96]

Yes, because this is not "PerryProud".

This is our house.

We know what we are, and what people chose to think about us.

I know what Perry is, and what I chose to think about them.

And WHEN will you be able to separate my personal posts from my moderator posts?

Well said Seeker! I don't get why people from other school come on MASSILLON PROUD and cut down MASSILLON. They should do it on Yappi or one of those other sites.

[werperry]

I didn't realize there were rules against redshirting. Even if there was, I don't recall anyone doing it since 1995. Get over it.
You're bashing a win at all cost mentality? We're not talking about your children's church league soccer team where everyone is a winner. This is high school football in Ohio.
Wake up.
You're posts are a joke.

SLOB (lol) - there isn't rules against redshirting, that i know of...but, in high school/junior high...if you're "holding back" kids because of their potential on the field...it IS a problem. furthermore, STUDENT is in front of "student-athlete"...not the other way around. this is Ohio high school football...big deal!!?! are you seriously telling me it's OK? if it was...why did massillon turn down the opportunity to be the story behind "Friday Night Lights"? from what i understand, the powers to be didn't like the "bad" impression.

...i love your attitude towards student-athletes. thank God for massillon you're not a teacher and/or admin.


TIGERSLOVER96 - i've been on here a bit longer than you...and for the most part i play by the rules. I (out of respect) don't usually post on TTT...I was only providing my view as an outsider...because it was relevant to the thread. i don't believe i said anything inflammatory vs massillon...just stating what outsiders perceptions are... sorry if you have an issue with that.

CHRONICTIGER - ...the underlying question of the thread was about "massillon's image" well...? i gave it...an outsiders view. continue talking about perry's wrestling program...it's funny.

SEEKER - as a moderator i would think you could understand the context of my posts relevant to the topic at hand. i can take the bashing...you're right it's not 'perry proud'...i do understand that. seperate moderator vs personal posts...? doubt it.

[ChronicTiger]

CHRONICTIGER - ...the underlying question of the thread was about "massillon's image" well...? i gave it...an outsiders view. continue talking about perry's wrestling program...it's funny.



At least we can both agree that perry's wrestling program is funny.....especially the coaches.......
Is there some rule regarding talk of perry's image? Its also pretty funny.....

:hyper:

[Mass6]

[QUOTE=werperry;80044]SLOB (lol) - there isn't rules against redshirting, that i know of...but, in high school/junior high...if you're "holding back" kids because of their potential on the field...it IS a problem. furthermore, STUDENT is in front of "student-athlete"...not the other way around. this is Ohio high school football...big deal!!?! are you seriously telling me it's OK? if it was...why did massillon turn down the opportunity to be the story behind "Friday Night Lights"? from what i understand, the powers to be didn't like the "bad" impression.

...i love your attitude towards student-athletes. thank God for massillon you're not a teacher and/or admin.


And this is why Perry has the record they do against Massillon. Big deal??? To most it is a big deal and a kids best chance at getting some help ($$) for college. Slobby would be welcomed back with open arms by almost anyone on this site as we know where he has come from and where his heart is. And holding back kids hasn't happened since 1995, but it is the same thing College programs do when they redshirt their "Student-Athletes". Are you telling me that College "Student-Athletes" don't matter as much as HS "Student-Athletes"??? To me it is the same thing, if not a bigger deal in College as it is preparing them for the rest of their lives. Please think things through before you post!

[tigerpride]

Don't you get it, NOBODY, Perry wrestling, Hoover softball, NO ONE does anything illegal but evil Massillon. Why we even want to worry what outsiders think is BEYOND ME!

In another vein it's kind of like the USA, WHY DO WE CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS ABOUT US! None that I know of refuses to take our money and the same would apply in the fed. Pretty decent pay days when they come here.

[werperry]

At least we can both agree that perry's wrestling program is funny.....especially the coaches.......
Is there some rule regarding talk of perry's image? Its also pretty funny.....

:hyper:

no rule about talking of perry's image. in fact, i believe if you talk to most people at perry...they're feeling of what's gone on with the program is one of disgust.

whatever...you guys brought up the topic of massillon's image...i gave you an outsiders view. i don't expect you to agree with it.

[werperry]

And this is why Perry has the record they do against Massillon. Big deal??? To most it is a big deal and a kids best chance at getting some help ($$) for college. Slobby would be welcomed back with open arms by almost anyone on this site as we know where he has come from and where his heart is. And holding back kids hasn't happened since 1995, but it is the same thing College programs do when they redshirt their "Student-Athletes". Are you telling me that College "Student-Athletes" don't matter as much as HS "Student-Athletes"??? To me it is the same thing, if not a bigger deal in College as it is preparing them for the rest of their lives. Please think things through before you post!

i did think things through. did you?

by your own admission, you said it hasn't happened in massillon since '95...why is that? it must have been a bigger deal than you're letting on, if your own faculty & admin abolished the practice ...and spare me the 'money-for-college' excuse...when you know very well, at times the red-shirting occurred to stack a certain year's team, NOT for the chance at scholarship money. God-forbid someone actually STUDIED and got a scholarship based on academics.

(...hmmm, and here I thought the scholarship money IS supposed to FLOOD in by the mere hint of a player wearing a massillon tiger uniform...hence all the "transfers"... :scratchchin: )

and for what it's worth... if you do not realize the difference between high school and college, that's your problem. kids in college are red-shirted for a number of different reasons - medical, grades, injury - and it's an accepted practice at EVERY COLLEGE.

in HIGH SCHOOL it is NOT.

[Mass6]

i did think things through. did you?

by your own admission, you said it hasn't happened in massillon since '95...why is that? it must have been a bigger deal than you're letting on, if your own faculty & admin abolished the practice ...and spare me the 'money-for-college' excuse...when you know very well, at times the red-shirting occurred to stack a certain year's team, NOT for the chance at scholarship money. God-forbid someone actually STUDIED and got a scholarship based on academics.

(...hmmm, and here I thought the scholarship money IS supposed to FLOOD in by the mere hint of a player wearing a massillon tiger uniform...hence all the "transfers"... :scratchchin: )

and for what it's worth... if you do not realize the difference between high school and college, that's your problem. kids in college are red-shirted for a number of different reasons - medical, grades, injury - and it's an accepted practice at EVERY COLLEGE.

in HIGH SCHOOL it is NOT.

Wow, lets see, it is a parents choice to hold their child back, not administrations so the faculty and admin have nothing to do with it. Not all kids are gifted in the classroom and do study to get grades good enough to get into college, but don't qualify for the grants and scholly's that the smarter kids will receive. So yes, you do still have to study even if you do get an athletic scholarship. It's funny how you throw arond the "Transfers" word when you guys get just as many kids transferring in for you great wrestling program. And if you think kids get redshirted first and foremost for grades, injury, or medical you are lying to yourself. Big schools redshirt so the kids can get bigger, faster, stronger so that they can compete with the team for 4 years. Did you play sports in college?? Because I did and only kids will still get a "redshirt" year for medical reasons and another for sports. But keep trying.

[werperry]

Wow, lets see, it is a parents choice to hold their child back, not administrations so the faculty and admin have nothing to do with it. Not all kids are gifted in the classroom and do study to get grades good enough to get into college, but don't qualify for the grants and scholly's that the smarter kids will receive. So yes, you do still have to study even if you do get an athletic scholarship. It's funny how you throw arond the "Transfers" word when you guys get just as many kids transferring in for you great wrestling program. And if you think kids get redshirted first and foremost for grades, injury, or medical you are lying to yourself. Big schools redshirt so the kids can get bigger, faster, stronger so that they can compete with the team for 4 years. Did you play sports in college?? Because I did and only kids will still get a "redshirt" year for medical reasons and another for sports. But keep trying.

That post speaks for itself. I cannot win. You played four years college sports, I only played two years college basketball. :poke: I know nothing... :rolleyes:






















































The above post is dripping with sarcasm. I will respond later when I have more time. Buh-bye...

[crackerman]

WerPerry,

See now you had to piss me off. I was really cool with you having your own opinion until you made the fatal mistake. The fatal mistake was that you brought up "red-shirting" or "holding back". You know what, I was one of the guys at massillon that held back. And you know what?.....I had a lot in common with a lot of players from Perry. HMMMM... let's talk about the players from perry who were held back shall we? We are talking "Perry Greats" in athletics and several are in the Perry Hall of Fame.
Holdbacks that played at Perry include:
Billy Reynolds
Gary Define
Flint McCollins (sp)
Gamble
Big Ray

Should I stop, or would you like me to continue?

[obie7661]

Continue

[tiger#22]

WerPerry,

See now you had to piss me off. I was really cool with you having your own opinion until you made the fatal mistake. The fatal mistake was that you brought up "red-shirting" or "holding back". You know what, I was one of the guys at massillon that held back. And you know what?.....I had a lot in common with a lot of players from Perry. HMMMM... let's talk about the players from perry who were held back shall we? We are talking "Perry Greats" in athletics and several are in the Perry Hall of Fame.
Holdbacks that played at Perry include:
Billy Reynolds
Gary Define
Flint McCollins (sp)
Gamble
Big Ray

Should I stop, or would you like me to continue?

I would think we wont be hearing much from "We R" anymore. Thanks Cracker !

[Smitty]

... The fatal mistake was that you brought up "red-shirting" or "holding back"....

Many years ago I was also in a "debate" with a McK fan who slammed Massillon for red-shirting... I reminded him that Roch Hontas (QB, '73-'74-'75) was a hold-back.

Hontas, apparently, needed the extra year of hs classes to prepare for his pre-med major at Tulane... and med school... he is now an orthopaedic surgeon in metropolitan NewOrleans.

[Red50Go]

Perry and the rest of the Fed can get transfers, hold kids back, get into trouble, or whatever. Who cares. We beat them most years so it MUST be because of this garbage and not because we simply have a better football program. Oh no. :D

Heck, 2 Porrini's are currently at Hoover no less and noone says a word, but remember Alleman? They are STILL ***ching about that one.

[PurpleArmy]

The "image" of Massillon -- outside of Ohio -- is just fine.

It's the neighbors & such that have a problem with who & what Massillon is....

... like, the attitudes from Jackson & Hoover; the idiots in Cincinnati that think THEY invented HS football, certain past OHSAA administrator(s) with a chip on their shoulder....

:weightlift:

I don't think there's a major problem with "the attitudes from Jackson". We've been to all but one of the Jackson games this season, and have sat in various places in the stands, and have yet to hear one single person say anything about Massillon all season. Even when a Massillon score update was announced on the PA, no one said anything one way or the other. No offense, but other schools fans don't just sit around talking about Massillon's programs all the time. All the talk we heard at Jackson games was about Jackson.

I would imagine that the same goes for Hoover fans.

Good luck tomorrow night.

[Al.]

I don't think there's a major problem with "the attitudes from Jackson". We've been to all but one of the Jackson games this season, and have sat in various places in the stands, and have yet to hear one single person say anything about Massillon all season. Even when a Massillon score update was announced on the PA, no one said anything one way or the other. No offense, but other schools fans don't just sit around talking about Massillon's programs all the time. All the talk we heard at Jackson games was about Jackson.

I would imagine that the same goes for Hoover fans.

Good luck tomorrow night.

FYI
The Tigers play Saturday afternoon.

[massillon catholic]

WerPerry,

See now you had to piss me off. I was really cool with you having your own opinion until you made the fatal mistake. The fatal mistake was that you brought up "red-shirting" or "holding back". You know what, I was one of the guys at massillon that held back. And you know what?.....I had a lot in common with a lot of players from Perry. HMMMM... let's talk about the players from perry who were held back shall we? We are talking "Perry Greats" in athletics and several are in the Perry Hall of Fame.
Holdbacks that played at Perry include:
Billy Reynolds
Gary Define
Flint McCollins (sp)
Gamble
Big Ray

Should I stop, or would you like me to continue?

Isn't Gamble's dad an administrator to boot?

[massillon catholic]

Dont forget about the Perry kid who did a year in a Juv. prison and came back the next year, eligible somehow. Same thing happened at McK with Adrain Brown. He did a year in the county awaiting his trial, got aquitted and his lawyer, Tom Borcoman got him another year of eligibilty he was 20 when he graduated and went to Y St. and got in trouble again.

[hrmjenl]

"Holding back" in Massillon didn't occur at the high school level; when it happened, it happened during the junior high years (which back then was 7th -9th grade) and it was a parental decision. First hand personal knowledge, WERPERRY, not hear-say and rumors like yours.

Oh and "Friday Night Lights" had nothing to do with the admin and a "bad impression"; again first hand personal knowledge; where did yours come from? Again, hear-say and rumors. You weren't on the staff or payroll to know what the reason was!

But thanks for sharing. :jestera:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

PurpleArmy,

Jackson fans have class and their fans epitomize that. Along with North Canton Hoover, Lake, and you get the message.

Far as negative talk about what others think about a program...mostly the people making the comments are too quick to judge and haven't been around the program and I know of fanbases that have those kinds of fans.

[PurpleArmy]

FYI
The Tigers play Saturday afternoon.

Thanks for the info. That means that we might be able to fit the game in between my son's youth football playoff game and his coach's party for the team Saturday night! Yeah, more football!

Is it at Massillon? What time does it start?

Oh....and good luck on SATURDAY. ;)

[Cardman]

Massillon's image? Simple. The most storied high school football program in Ohio, the midwest and, probably, the nation. I'm from Colerain and if I'm out of state, wearing my Cardinal gear, and someone asks me "What's a Colerain?" I tell them about my football team. Invariably, if they know anything at all about football, they'll say "Ever play Massillon? I hear they're pretty tough." Are people jealous of Massillon and the tradition? Damn right. I know I am. But I hope I mix in a healthy dose of respect for all that you guys have accomplished.

[Kamd50]

That was one very classy and flattering post to our Massillon program, Cardman. It is appreciated by many Massillon fans whenever someone from another school speaks of us with respect. We also try to, and understand the importance of upholding our long standing tradition of giving other teams their due respect as well.

Thank you and welcome to Massillon Proud:thumbsup:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Cardman,

You will find out what Massillon class is all about. Check the thread "Massillon Fans And It's Class" for more.

[ChronicTiger]

Cardman,

You will find out what Massillon class is all about. Check the thread "Massillon Fans And It's Class" for more.

:scratchchin:

[obie0130]

thank you, cardman. that will make just about everyones day here. hope to hear more from you in the future.

[Rushfan]

Massillon's image? Simple. The most storied high school football program in Ohio, the midwest and, probably, the nation. I'm from Colerain and if I'm out of state, wearing my Cardinal gear, and someone asks me "What's a Colerain?" I tell them about my football team. Invariably, if they know anything at all about football, they'll say "Ever play Massillon? I hear they're pretty tough." Are people jealous of Massillon and the tradition? Damn right. I know I am. But I hope I mix in a healthy dose of respect for all that you guys have accomplished.

Thank you,buddy.It's great to hear from a fan with some class.When Colerain was playing McKinley in the title game a few years ago,I was wearing an Arizona Cardinal jacket,sitting with you guys, and whooping it up everytime Colerain scored. Nothing is better than watching McKinley's fans pouring out of the stands because they're getting their asses whooped,no matter who's doing it.