Massillon perspective

[hartville tiger]

Many people may not like what I,m about to say. Massillon needs to drop a division. How can Massillon continue to compete against schools in division 1 that have twice as many boys as Massillon. As stated before the population in Massillon is shrinking due to the economy. Just ask Big Red or Mooney if they minded droping down a division due to the economy. Hey! A state championship is a championship no matter what division. Do you want to compete 2 out of every 10 years if you stay in division 1 or 6 out of every 10 years in division II. I think the choice is obvious.

[Paul Brown]

The day we decide we need to drop a division to compete is the day our tradition is dead.

[Seeker]

May I respectfully ask that we hold this discussion off till after the end of the season?

It's sort of like the never ending Fed argument in that nothing will be resolved here on MP.

Personally, I think we should concentrate on making things as postive as we still can for the seniors this year.

:gotigers:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

May I respectfully ask that we hold this discussion off till after the end of the season?

It's sort of like the never ending Fed argument in that nothing will be resolved here on MP.

Personally, I think we should concentrate on making things as postive as we still can for the seniors this year.

:gotigers:


Mr. Seeker may I respectfully ask that you mind your own business and stick to moderatin' unless someone breaks the rules?
GEEZ---some people can't just sit back and play good cop

:gogogo: ---AWAY!

[Spize]

Do I need to remind you people of a couple of things... AGAIN.

1. We cannot CHOOSE to drop a division. We are what division we are and that is that.

2. We would be in a worse points situation in the region we would be in if we were D2 this year.


Never-the-less, I will humor this argument for a second.

If we "decided" to go D2 and win a title then we have accomplished nothing and would deserve all the discrediting that every team in the area would say about us.

If OHSAA's measures of enrollment determined we were D2 and we won a title, then it would hold just as much meaning as if we were to win a D1 title if we were in D1.

Why the difference?

The divisions have NOTHING to do with level of competition. If that was the case we would not be anywhere near the lower edge of D1. There are a lot of pathetic d1 teams, for example, Western Hills and most teams on their schedule.

The divisions break up teams based on enrollment and only on enrollment. The theory there is that teams with a larger population of students to draw their athletes from should be able to draw a larger number of top end athletes based purely on numbers. (I.E. if a school has 1200 boys it is though that if 10% are good athletes that mean 120 good athletes should be there, if a school has 200, then 20 good athletes should be there or whatever the percentage is). It is supposed to balance the schools. For the most part it does(most years Tuslaw would get killed by Massillon, Perry, and most other d1 schools). However there are always exceptions like Mooney, Steubenville, ect... There are also times when teams get an exceptionally talented class that is above their normal level. (96 Lima).

Division breakdowns don't mean everything though. I can almost guarantee the D2 champ would kill the worst 10 teams in D1, and the D3 champ probably would too. Mooney would, and has, beat most of the top d1 schools this year and may actually be the best team in the state. However if you take the rest of d4 and put them up against their respective D1 team, the D1 team would win a large majority of those games.

WE ARE NOT A D2 TEAM, with the growth of a lot of the lower division schools(especially in Columbus) we may be some day. If OHSAA changes the rules we may be. However under the current rules we are D1 this year and next, and likely will be for the forseeable future.

If you want to give up and dump on this program, go away, we don't need the cancers.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

The day we decide we need to drop a division to compete is the day our tradition is dead.

god oh mighty!!!!!!! you people need to stop living in the past. sorry to say but massillon is feared by no one anymore and the glory days are over. 1 or 2 years out of 10 we have a chance , the rest we are an average division 1 team. deal with it!!!!!!

[DragonTigerNemesis]

god oh mighty!!!!!!! you people need to stop living in the past. sorry to say but massillon is feared by no one anymore and the glory days are over. 1 or 2 years out of 10 we have a chance , the rest we are an average division 1 team. deal with it!!!!!!

Thanks Mr. Ridgely!!!
Glad you could drop by!!!!!!!

:TIG2:

[Spize]

god oh mighty!!!!!!! you people need to stop living in the past. sorry to say but massillon is feared by no one anymore and the glory days are over. 1 or 2 years out of 10 we have a chance , the rest we are an average division 1 team. deal with it!!!!!!

Most teams in d1 are an average d1 team 10 of 10 years, many d1 teams would love to be an average d1 team 5-8 times out of 10.

Other than Mckinley and Massillon, nearly every other D1 team in our area would be calling our last 10 years their glory years, in fact most of their glory year's don't even come close.

What other teams in d1 have a "shot" 1-2 times a decade?

[DragonTigerNemesis]

What other teams in d1 have a "shot" 1-2 times a decade?

WOOHOO!!!!!
Mr. Obie Wan will be tearin yo butt up on dis un!

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

Most teams in d1 are an average d1 team 10 of 10 years, many d1 teams would love to be an average d1 team 5-8 times out of 10.

Other than Mckinley and Massillon, nearly every other D1 team in our area would be calling our last 10 years their glory years, in fact most of their glory year's don't even come close.

What other teams in d1 have a "shot" 1-2 times a decade?

moeller, colerain, elder, mentor, iggy, st ed`s, glenville, st .x and on and on. these teams have a shot 5 or more times a decade , 8 out of 10. these are cream of the crop now.

if u rermember we went to title game twice in the 80`s
none in the 90`s
once in the new millennium

how many title games has iggy been to in 28 years? a heck of a lot more than 3 and won when they got there.

[Spize]

moeller, colerain, elder, mentor(they were there last year, lost, like us the year before... how do their region titles stack up to ours though?), iggy, st ed`s(when?), glenville, st .x and on and on (who else on and on?). these teams have a shot 5 or more times a decade , 8 out of 10. these are cream of the crop now.

if u rermember we went to title game twice in the 80`s
none in the 90`s
once in the new millennium

how many title games has iggy been to in 28 years? a heck of a lot more than 3 and won when they got there.

Sure... but what about...

BEDFORD BEDFORD
BEAVERCREEK BEAVERCREEK
BROADVIEW HTS BRECKSVILLE-BROADVIEW HTS
COLUMBUS BROOKHAVEN
COLUMBUS UPPER ARLINGTON
CLEVELAND JOHN MARSHALL
COLUMBUS WORTHINGTON KILBOURNE
CLEVELAND LINCOLN WEST
DELAWARE HAYES
CLEVELAND RHODES
DUBLIN DUBLIN COFFMAN
FAIRBORN FAIRBORN
CLEVELAND HGTS. CLEVELAND HEIGHTS
GAHANNA LINCOLN
EASTLAKE NORTH
GALLOWAY WESTLAND
EUCLID EUCLID
GROVE CITY CENTRAL CROSSING
GARFIELD HTS GARFIELD HEIGHTS
GROVE CITY GROVE CITY
LAKEWOOD LAKEWOOD
GROVEPORT GROVEPORT-MADISON
LAKEWOOD ST EDWARD
HILLIARD HILLIARD DARBY
LYNDHURST BRUSH
LANCASTER LANCASTER
MIDDLEBURG HGTS MIDPARK
LEWIS CENTER OLENTANGY
NORTH OLMSTED NORTH OLMSTED
MARION MARION HARDING
NORTH ROYALTON NORTH ROYALTON
MARYSVILLE MARYSVILLE
PAINESVILLE RIVERSIDE
MOUNT VERNON MOUNT VERNON
PARMA PARMA
NEWARK NEWARK
PARMA HEIGHTS VALLEY FORGE
PICKERINGTON PICKERINGTON CENTRAL
SHAKER HEIGHTS SHAKER HEIGHTS
PICKERINGTON PICKERINGTON NORTH
SOLON SOLON
REYNOLDSBURG REYNOLDSBURG
STRONGSVILLE STRONGSVILLE
SPRINGFIELD NORTH
WESTERVILLE WESTERVILLE CENTRAL
WILLOUGHBY SOUTH
WESTERVILLE WESTERVILLE NORTH
YOUNGSTOWN AUSTINTOWN-FITCH
WESTERVILLE WESTERVILLE SOUTH
YOUNGSTOWN BOARDMAN
WORTHINGTON THOMAS WORTHINGTON
XENIA XENIA
AKRON GARFIELD
BATAVIA AMELIA
AMHERST STEELE
CENTERVILLE CENTERVILLE
BRUNSWICK BRUNSWICK
CINCINNATI ARCHBISHOP MOELLER
CANTON GLENOAK
CUYAHOGA FALLS CUYAHOGA FALLS
CINCINNATI GLEN ESTE
ELYRIA ELYRIA
CINCINNATI LA SALLE
FINDLAY FINDLAY
CINCINNATI OAK HILLS
FREMONT FREMONT ROSS
CINCINNATI PRINCETON
GREEN GREEN
HUDSON HUDSON
CINCINNATI SYCAMORE
LIMA LIMA SENIOR
CINCINNATI WESTERN HILLS
LORAIN ADMIRAL KING
CINCINNATI WOODWARD
LORAIN SOUTHVIEW
CLAYTON NORTHMONT
MACEDONIA NORDONIA
FAIRFIELD FAIRFIELD
MANSFIELD MANSFIELD SENIOR
HAMILTON HAMILTON
MASSILLON JACKSON
HARRISON HARRISON
MASSILLON PERRY
HUBER HEIGHTS WAYNE
KETTERING KETTERING FAIRMONT
MEDINA MEDINA
LEBANON LEBANON
NORTH CANTON HOOVER
LIBERTY TWP. LAKOTA EAST
PERRYSBURG PERRYSBURG
LOVELAND LOVELAND
STOW STOW-MUNROE FALLS
MASON MASON
TOLEDO BOWSHER
MIAMISBURG MIAMISBURG
TOLEDO ST JOHN'S JESUIT
MIDDLETOWN MIDDLETOWN
TOLEDO START
MILFORD MILFORD
TOLEDO WHITMER
SPRINGBORO SPRINGBORO
TWINSBURG TWINSBURG
TROY TROY
WADSWORTH WADSWORTH
WEST CHESTER LAKOTA WEST

[xtiger]

The day we decide we need to drop a division to compete is the day our tradition is dead.

It won't be our decsion.

[Go Hooter Go]

If Massillon was to win a State Title in Division II (That is if they ever dropped down to it) most fans would discredit it almost right away because Massillon has it share of "haters" out there and such.

Me? It doesn't bother me if Massillon wins a State Championship at DI or DII or any other division for that matter.

But I will say this, Massillon is not the same anymore, from an outside perspective. They will be an above average team most of the time, but not all the time. That is due to the facilities and amount of money spent on Football in Massillon.

However, if you look at the citizens of Massillon, they are supporting the program less and less every year, and it will catch up to Massillon Football. After watching the film "Go Tigers" it makes kind of sense. Levies will become a problem as citizens will call for cuts to be made over and over and some will use the football program as an excuse.

Citizens can be jerks, I know because we in Fremont deal with them every year. They won't allow us to shoot a cannon off for every touchdown because it "makes too much noise" and the neighbors don't like it.

So they complain and now the school isn't allowed to do it. You figure it is just 5 or 6 games a year, an average of 4 touchdowns a game, so you look at 20-24 times an entire year, just 1 day a week, some times only 2 times a month. How selfish can people be?

We can't pass a levy because too many citizens complain that the school doesn't need any more money because Fremont Ross just built a brand new stadium and all. Even tho, it has been repeated over and over and over again that the Schools had no part in the money process as it was paid by all private donations. Still citizens are so stupid to not believe that and still think it is all a LIE. Come on!

People are people and they will be jerks, even though Massillon has a bigger tradition, but both towns are alike, declining enrollment, town size and all. All good things will soon come to an end after an amount of time, and when that happens, I'm afraid to say, Massillon will just be another football team, not town.

[Spize]

apparently the sky is falling too.

Honestly, it is getting harder to tell the difference online between the posts of Hoover people that hate our team, and some of our "fans"

[Paul Brown]

It won't be our decsion.

I don't know about that considering OHSAA wanted to give teams the option to play up a division.

[TigerVic]

Mr. Seeker may I respectfully ask that you mind your own business and stick to moderatin' unless someone breaks the rules?
GEEZ---some people can't just sit back and play good cop

:gogogo: ---AWAY!

Although this hasn't been the best of seasons, I agree with Seeker that this discussion, like any one dealing with that "other" issue, should wait 'til the end of the season.

Besides, in this case, Division level is likely out of our hands and at the discretion of the OHSAA (The "play up" option may or may not be there).

[MikeyMadi]

The day we decide we need to drop a division to compete is the day our tradition is dead.

I am not sure how you can even say that. OUR tradition cannot be dead unless we kill it. Because we are in a different Division, that would KILL our tradition? Maybe I am just naive but I don't know how you can say that.

[Paul Brown]

When people say we can't play with the best anymore, our tradition is shot. Massillons tradition was built upon playing anyone, anytime.

[monte81]

This whole DI, DII, Competitive 2 out of 10 years is BS!!!!

3 regional titles and a state championship appearance is average or not respectable?? You people are crazy to think we will ever be average! WE are average only if WE chose to be average!!! How many football players that were considered average, average students, the other sports teams that people talk trash about all the time, etc,.... feel about the comments about MASSILLON BEING AVERAGE? You get out what you put in meaning the harder you work at a trade, sport, academics, etc,... the higher percentage is in your favor to be great not average! You have to be a true MASSILLON TIGER to understand that 90% of our teams are average on paper but put in the extra work and are determined to be winners because that is MASSILLON!!!
I am with SPIZE that if you are a hater, non supporter of the program(s) and kids----just stop cheering when were up and just change colors to another program---we dont need the negativity!!

WHOOP WARREN!!

[Guardblack]

The word tradition is being tossed around like loose change in a pocket. Please define the Massillon Tradition?

[Red50Go]

When people say we can't play with the best anymore, our tradition is shot. Massillons tradition was built upon playing anyone, anytime.

Hello? The people of planet Earth here, we are already saying that, and have for several years. Only WE can lose our tradition though, its in our head. I dont think Steubenville or Mooney is apologizing to anyone about their tradition.

The way I read you is, if more industry leaves or the town gets older, etc, and our enrollment drops much further, or OHSAA realigns, I am outta here.

[xtiger]

I don't know about that considering OHSAA wanted to give teams the option to play up a division.

It won't be our decision if we go DII. We'll never voluntarily make
that decision. It'll have to be a diective from OHSAA.

[ChronicTiger]

moeller, colerain, elder, mentor, iggy, st ed`s, glenville, st .x and on and on. these teams have a shot 5 or more times a decade , 8 out of 10. these are cream of the crop now.

if u rermember we went to title game twice in the 80`s
none in the 90`s
once in the new millennium

how many title games has iggy been to in 28 years? a heck of a lot more than 3 and won when they got there.

mentor does? Since when...last year? moeller......are you living in the past? glenville......since when?

Your also comparing massillon to privates....not a good comparison........

[Paul Brown]

It won't be our decision if we go DII. We'll never voluntarily make
that decision. It'll have to be a diective from OHSAA.

No we can't decide we want to go to d.2 but OHSAA did indicate they'd allow a team to remain in D.1 if they chose to.

[xtiger]

No we can't decide we want to go to d.2 but OHSAA did indicate they'd allow a team to remain in D.1 if they chose to.

That plan was scrapped.

[Kamd50]

This whole DI, DII, Competitive 2 out of 10 years is BS!!!!

3 regional titles and a state championship appearance is average or not respectable?? You people are crazy to think we will ever be average! WE are average only if WE chose to be average!!! How many football players that were considered average, average students, the other sports teams that people talk trash about all the time, etc,.... feel about the comments about MASSILLON BEING AVERAGE? You get out what you put in meaning the harder you work at a trade, sport, academics, etc,... the higher percentage is in your favor to be great not average! You have to be a true MASSILLON TIGER to understand that 90% of our teams are average on paper but put in the extra work and are determined to be winners because that is MASSILLON!!!
I am with SPIZE that if you are a hater, non supporter of the program(s) and kids----just stop cheering when were up and just change colors to another program---we dont need the negativity!!

WHOOP WARREN!!

EXCELLENT POST, Monte!!!

As far as The Massillon Tradition goes, regardless of things that we can't control like divisions and league participation, the "Tradition" is something that is to be upheld from within the ranks of all of us. It is up to us to continue what we have all done as lifelong Massillon supporters to carry on in spite of what other changes may occur; in spite of if we have an "off" season or two. You stand strong and wait out the storm. You don't stop going to the games, buying season tickets, buying your Tiger "rags" and gear, joining the booster organizations,tailgating, parading, rallying, traveling, or CHEERING for your team!
There is strength in numbers.

If we, as individuals and as groups, stop doing these things that we have held near and dear to our hearts, then we WILL kill the tradition by virtue of not raising our children up in our ways and not giving them a living example of what is meant by tradition so that they know what is to continue on long after we are gone. To me tradition = love. Love of my scrappy little hometown, my alma mater, and my Massillon Tigers, that I will not let die because of change or controversy or anything else.

One of our (Massillon fans) favorite mantras is "Win or Lose, Massillon Always".
But how many of us really mean that? My hope is many.

[Mass6]

This thread is pathetic! If you are saying we need to drop a division, then how do you describe us bearly losing to one of the biggest schools in the state (Mentor)? Do you realize that we are a mere 11 points from not even thinking about this conversation? If we punch the ball in from the 3 against Solon and get one more stop on D against Mentor we are sitting at 5-2 right now getting ready for a playoff run, [B]IN D 1!!![B] Get over this we belong in DII crap, because even though we may not have the numbers, we have the athletes and the heart to do it. Yes we may not dominate everyone like we did in the 50-70's but we are still in every game with a chance to win against ANY D1 TEAM. So we fell flat against Iggy on O, that's one game. Support the team and push them, don't keep trying to baby them and give them an easier road. We got there in 05 and were one tackle on a punt away from winning it, yes against St. X! Like Monte said, work your a@@ off like those kids did and you can beat anyone (most of those names on the list above, we beat that year too!) Go Tigers Beat Warren!!!!

[massillon catholic]

We have the athletes, but we need the proper leadership to remain a powerhouse. All of this talk of dropping to DII or going in the fed is just BS from those who are weak and dont want to work to be successful. This is similar to the talk from the AD who wants in the fed because it would make his job easier. How about just doing your job that you are being paid to do.

[Tigermedic]

I love Massillon football no matter who we play or what division we are in. I believe most schools would choose to have our program and tradition winning 6 to 8 games a year over their own.
I mean we almost beat Mentor and solon two of the better teams this year and we are not even playing that well this year. So no matter what division were in I believe we can line up with anyone.

[TigerCoach]

Mr. Seeker may I respectfully ask that you mind your own business and stick to moderatin' unless someone breaks the rules?
GEEZ---some people can't just sit back and play good cop

:gogogo: ---AWAY!

I don't know Seeker, that sure sounds like he needs some "attitude adjustments". Let me know if you need some assistance.:weightlift:

[Kamd50]

I don't know Seeker, that sure sounds like he needs some "attitude adjustments". Let me know if you need some assistance.:weightlift:
HahahahahHA, thanks for the chuckle today, sir:wink:

[Smitty]

... All of this talk ... is just BS from those who are weak and dont want to work to be successful....

And the choir sang, "AMEN".


I'll take this opportunity once again to quote Mr. Cats44, who once posted in these forums: "If it was all about size, Kent State would kick Notre Dame's ass every year." (OK, ND is having an atypically bad season...)

It's all about DESIRE, and HARD FRIKKIN' WORK.

We've agreed (in other threads) that we have the facility. Problem is, we're allowing it to be run by non-Tigers. Let's clean house (the BOE and their cronies) and put TIGERS at the top. Those in charge now are certainly lacking in desire and work ethic.

Say what you will about Currence and Shepas; they had their "negative factors", but they definetly had a strong work ethic and didn't back down from the daily challenges of their job.

I'm 2000 miles away and I can see the lack of LEADERSHIP. It starts AT THE TOP, folks, and has infected the whole damn team right down to the bench.

Somebody, please: sack-up.

[Striker300]

I think maybe the numbers should be looked at. In the '70's we went to the playoffs 2 times, 3 times in the '80's, 6 times in the '90's and 5 times since 2000. Looks to me like we are getting more chances to win the title.

[Paul Brown]

I think maybe the numbers should be looked at. In the '70's we went to the playoffs 2 times, 3 times in the '80's, 6 times in the '90's and 5 times since 2000. Looks to me like we are getting more chances to win the title.

Of course that would be ignoring the fact that 8 teams per region make it now instead of 4.

[SternRulz]

god oh mighty!!!!!!! you people need to stop living in the past. sorry to say but massillon is feared by no one anymore and the glory days are over. 1 or 2 years out of 10 we have a chance , the rest we are an average division 1 team. deal with it!!!!!!

Yeah...like someone with that signature line knows what they're talking about.

:thumbsup:

:ohplease:

[Striker300]

The reason for 8 teams instead of 4 is more schools, to make the playoffs you still will be in the top 20-25% of teams in your Div.

[Smitty]

From 1972-'79, only 12 teams IN THE STATE made the playoffs.

Today, 192 teams will qualify for the post-season.

It's been diluted like cheap grocery-store whisky.

[Striker300]

I agree the playoffs have become diluted but I'm saying we can't be considered a normally mediocre team. We finish in the top 25% more often than not. Mediocre means you average in the 50% range.

[ChronicTiger]

Should we start to ridicule all the teams that have not won a state championship in the 32 team format? I mean Mck and IGGY state championships were in the old format so let the finger pointing and cheap shots begin............


:lol:

[Striker300]

I'm really saying that Div.1 or Div.2 we would compete at same level, so it doesn't hold water to say we can't compete anymore. On an average we make the playoffs more often than most teams. Since 1972 Massillon and McK have both made the playoffs 16 times. If anything our drop off was from 1973-1990, and it seems we have gotten over that, now it is just a matter of believing in ourselves enough to get the job done, plenty of chances and more to come.

[Spize]

Of course that would be ignoring the fact that 8 teams per region make it now instead of 4.

in the 70s you had to win your region to make the playoffs. We have won our region 3 times this decade so far. We did that twice in the 70s. Considering they have not yet crowned the 07, 08, and 09 regional champs yet, I think we are doing ok.

[Spize]

I agree the playoffs have become diluted but I'm saying we can't be considered a normally mediocre team. We finish in the top 25% more often than not. Mediocre means you average in the 50% range.

Actually 50% is average. 25%-50% is mediocre.

[Striker300]

You are correct Spize my bad. Also I said only top 20-25% make playoffs, but after reviewing this I find that it is the top 28-30% that get in. But we are definitely getting our shots.

[Spize]

Want to talk about programs that are down and out and need to go to D2 and get their head together. How about St Ignatius. Hell they have not won their region in the last 5 years. Considering what they did in the 90s, their fans must think they are pathetic. Why the hell would any good athlete want to play for that kind of program?

[JakeGiant]

Should we start to ridicule all the teams that have not won a state championship in the 32 team format? I mean Mck and IGGY state championships were in the old format so let the finger pointing and cheap shots begin............


:lol:

Chronic, the 2001 St. Ignatius team is on Line 1.

[ChronicTiger]

Chronic, the 2001 St. Ignatius team is on Line 1.

Line 1....What does that mean....sorry I dont know......

[Seeker]

I don't know Seeker, that sure sounds like he needs some "attitude adjustments"...

Don't we all, this year.

[DAWGH8R]

in the 70s you had to win your region to make the playoffs. We have won our region 3 times this decade so far. We did that twice in the 70s. Considering they have not yet crowned the 07, 08, and 09 regional champs yet, I think we are doing ok.


You didn't WIN your Region. You finished the 10th week with the most POINTS in your Region. BIG DIFFERENCE !!!

In '02 weren't we 8th in the Region ????

[MichiganMike]

And the choir sang, "AMEN".


I'll take this opportunity once again to quote Mr. Cats44, who once posted in these forums: "If it was all about size, Kent State would kick Notre Dame's ass every year." (OK, ND is having an atypically bad season...)

It's all about DESIRE, and HARD FRIKKIN' WORK.

We've agreed (in other threads) that we have the facility. Problem is, we're allowing it to be run by non-Tigers. Let's clean house (the BOE and their cronies) and put TIGERS at the top. Those in charge now are certainly lacking in desire and work ethic.

Say what you will about Currence and Shepas; they had their "negative factors", but they definetly had a strong work ethic and didn't back down from the daily challenges of their job.

I'm 2000 miles away and I can see the lack of LEADERSHIP. It starts AT THE TOP, folks, and has infected the whole damn team right down to the bench.

Somebody, please: sack-up.

I have to agree. Massillon is a public school system owned and operated by the citizens of Massillon. If the citizens are not happy with how things are being run, then get off you ass'es and get involved. Show up at the BOE meetings. These people are placed on the Board by the citizens to hire a Superintendent and to oversee operations of the district for the community, period. If you are not happy with these people, remove them and put the people you think should be in there. If you are not happy with the Superintendent, have him fired. You the citizens have the control, the BOE and Administration work for you. You provide the funds to pay their saleries.
I am a former BOE trustee for a school system in Michigan, and I am amazed how people perseve the power of a public BOE and administration. They only have as much power as the citizen allow them to have, and if you give them the farm, well..........................